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00:03:32,475\n要籌設3%到5%來作為設宅的空間目前已經入法了嗎?他現在這個部分是內政部在目前是用內政部在審議各縣市報上來的區段徵收的新案那在審議的時候附帶要求那就是直轄市5%那一般的縣市是所以我們對於過去已經審議通過的沒有辦法入法嗎?\n\n9\n00:03:35,346 --> 00:03:53,887\n過去已經審議通過有請內政部評估他現階段是先用協商的方式那目前的了解是協商不出來其實我們在縣市政府待過我們知道其實這個區管徵收跟重劃其實是地方政府很重要的財產財源之一\n\n10\n00:03:54,688 --> 00:04:09,122\n所以可能內政部這邊未來還是要跟地方政府用架構的方式我們跟他買買看一樣他提出來就是說各縣市提3到5%我們會算成本嘛我們當時核定他的成本然後我們用那個成本來跟他買買看\n\n11\n00:04:10,503 --> 00:04:34,773\n二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲,另外一點其實就是這個其實現在住都中心他蓋的速度有經過行政院的整合其實像我們的左營跟南梓就有非常有好幾個這個社會住宅他其實是經過行政院協調不管是國防部或者是其他國產署的這些土地\n\n12\n00:04:35,453 --> 00:04:37,034\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案\n\n13\n00:04:57,438 --> 00:05:26,830\n那是不是在未來高雄如果有確認徵收或者是重劃送到內政部的時候那內政部應該也要給予比如說我們現在要明定要3到5%那這個就應該是3%啊像那種其他的縣市社宅比例明顯少戶數明顯比六都少啊這就要給它計5%甚至更多啊所以我這邊是想要就是在民務長在轉任那個部長之前\n\n14\n00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:50,268\n給行政院相關的單位的這個建議當然我要趁這個機會在內政委員會可以跟未來的部長來做一個幾個男子跟左營很重要的交通建設的一些說明其實我知道陳其邁市長常常打電話給你\n\n15\n00:05:52,059 --> 00:06:18,061\n打完總統打院長打完院長之後再打給秘書長有關男子交流道引道還有捷運直線還有台鐵立體化還有台鐵未來班次的加密都是未來秘書長在交通部要面對的很重要的高雄交通的課題那我從男子交流道引道來講好了過去目前\n\n16\n00:06:20,107 --> 00:06:48,306\n從台南到高雄的這個國道1號它的負荷量已經非常大從過去城台南高雄的交通時程可能是40分鐘現在都是超過一個小時那所以未來這個台南的台積電園區到高雄這個現在的這個男子產業園區還會增加大量的這些運輸的這些車輛所以我們必須要爭取男子交流道引道\n\n17\n00:06:49,066 --> 00:07:08,421\n這一條引道也經過秘書長的協調已經在國發會審議完畢接下來會進行相關的規劃保險預算的編列等等的那這一些都是未來部長要做的事情那高雄市政府這邊我也會全力的來協助協調配合\n\n18\n00:07:10,062 --> 00:07:26,795\n這一條引道非常的重要那對於區域的交通順暢跟安全很有關係因為大量的一些車輛特別是貨車直接進入園區不要再經過平面道路可以讓整個交通順暢還有安全性提高\n\n19\n00:07:27,575 --> 00:07:31,718\n三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon\n\n20\n00:07:43,450 --> 00:08:04,309\n未來的這個整個高雄北段的這些半導體園區還有整個高雄的交通的樞紐其實很需要行政院以及交通部的支持所以在未來這個現在的秘書長李部長以後也對於南直交流道引道那捷運子線還有未來南直的\n\n21\n00:08:35,433 --> 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