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00:02:33,496\n對不對當然你們是我看你們這一個晚上的話夜間時段是財閥會比較重嘛這個劉恩的經驗很好因為的確晚上他的背景值也比較低是啊所以你高一點哇那種感受就很就是說你的白天的86跟晚上86是不一樣的啊感受不一樣嘛是我覺得可以檢討是不是就是說因為其實在夜間的這個住宅區啊你搞不好你50分貝你就覺得就很吵了那可是你們還是定到86啊\n\n7\n00:02:35,222 --> 00:02:43,358\n所以我剛才問說那你們這個白天晚上標準有沒有不一樣那可是這樣問起來都是採一樣86跟90嘛那這有沒有檢討空間啊?\n\n8\n00:02:44,825 --> 00:03:08,471\n李委員我們來檢討一下好不好李委員剛剛講的是有道理對啊不然就是大家都一樣可是晚上一定不一樣晚上就是六七十分貝你就覺得很吵搞不好不用那麼搞就很吵好不好這個你們來檢討一下我們來檢討一下好那第二個就是說現在你們一個固定式跟移動式的這一個科技執法210套嘛\n\n9\n00:03:10,071 --> 00:03:22,743\n那你們說預計在這個114年增加到306套嗎?是不是?那現在增加大概100套左右,第一個明年有辦法完成嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:24,298 --> 00:03:41,235\n我們希望明年本來是到116﹖所以這一套是多少錢啊?這一套多少錢?這個一套一百萬左右那都是中央付嗎?目前跟我有報告目前是中央付一部分那地方要配合款那多少?比例是多少?\n\n11\n00:03:41,835 --> 00:04:05,702\n比例跟各縣市的那個財政條件不同會有不同比如新北市勒大概比如說中央出多少地方出多少我的意思是說當然現在我看你們給新北已經算是最多了36套可是我們新北很大36你分一分各區就分不到什麼了所以我就想說這個如果100萬的話其實\n\n12\n00:04:07,923 --> 00:04:35,782\n這個我不知道是預算不夠還是怎麼樣其實你明年多增加100套其實也是不夠啊我們這個東西有很難生產出來嗎?這個設備是進口的因為這是要到一級標準可是它費用不高啦老實講一百萬其實不高啦跟文包那個後面還有操作維護還是要費用並不是買了以後就可以好那你們這個\n\n13\n00:04:37,243 --> 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03:41.235\n我們希望明年本來是到116﹖所以這一套是多少錢啊?這一套多少錢?這個一套一百萬左右那都是中央付嗎?目前跟我有報告目前是中央付一部分那地方要配合款那多少?比例是多少?\n\n03:41.835 --> 04:05.702\n比例跟各縣市的那個財政條件不同會有不同比如新北市勒大概比如說中央出多少地方出多少我的意思是說當然現在我看你們給新北已經算是最多了36套可是我們新北很大36你分一分各區就分不到什麼了所以我就想說這個如果100萬的話其實\n\n04:07.923 --> 04:35.782\n這個我不知道是預算不夠還是怎麼樣其實你明年多增加100套其實也是不夠啊我們這個東西有很難生產出來嗎?這個設備是進口的因為這是要到一級標準可是它費用不高啦老實講一百萬其實不高啦跟文包那個後面還有操作維護還是要費用並不是買了以後就可以好那你們這個\n\n04:37.243 --> 05:02.820\n未來增加100套也是各一半嗎?移動跟固定是各一半嗎?這個我想即便是固定也可以定期做移動一個地方設置幾個月之後那那個陳情案件數有一些變化之後我們就換這個有時候我們一代表就請這個地方環保局就是說有些路段我們就覺得說民眾常常在反映可是他們就說那個不夠啊所以都沒辦法過去用啊\n\n05:03.240 --> 05:29.313\n所以我是覺得說能夠增加再增加我覺得100套其實也是不夠啦所以我們的預算不夠還是怎麼樣?請李委員將來就是支持因為...這我明天支持啦我是說是不是你們自己編的預算不夠還是怎麼樣啦這是一回事啦沒有想到大家反應那麼正面啦都很正面啊那我是建議啦如果預算夠的話啦因為現在還在編明年預算嘛預算夠的話這個我們來增加啦好不好\n\n05:31.314 --> 05:50.245\n我最後一個再問,按照你們的資料告發的量次110年到113年3月有3686件可是真正的裁罰的案件每年好像才500多件\n\n05:53.478 --> 06:00.621\n這個110年110年我手中的資料才500多件欸那為什麼告發的有3000多件那可是每年抓起來才500多件這落差在哪裡啊這個我們來瞭解一下好不好就是說這個機動車輛的噪音110到111就每年都500多件啊那可是你們的資料就是說你們告發的這個量次這個有3686件這還是移動式的還有包含固定式的7000\n\n06:23.278 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06:53.020\n李坤城委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":8.734,"end":35.613,"text":"謝謝主席,我們請部長,薛部長好,李委員好部長,這個車輛噪音其實大家都很重視這個不論是在我們的都會區或是其實一般縣市過去在當議員的時候那其實就常常這種檢舉案可是檢舉案似乎很難成立就是說這個除非是固定式的"},{"start":36.79,"end":40.212,"text":"有關噪音的處罰標準,白天晚上有不一樣嗎?晚上有特別嚴格嗎?"},{"start":59.483,"end":67.066,"text":"是,特別是有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有有"},{"start":90.115,"end":115.561,"text":"車速的話應該是白天晚上都一樣車速白天晚上都一樣?那就沒有分嘛所以我的意思是說那你同樣的這個車速那它早上是86分貝然後比如說50的話是86分貝才違規那晚上也是86分貝才違規嗎?分貝數是一樣但是那個法爾是不一樣晚上會加倍處罰那晚上的分貝數有辦法把它降低嗎?"},{"start":118.665,"end":122.548,"text":"對阿,因為其實白天跟晚上的這個86是不一樣的感覺"},{"start":125.077,"end":153.496,"text":"對不對當然你們是我看你們這一個晚上的話夜間時段是財閥會比較重嘛這個劉恩的經驗很好因為的確晚上他的背景值也比較低是啊所以你高一點哇那種感受就很就是說你的白天的86跟晚上86是不一樣的啊感受不一樣嘛是我覺得可以檢討是不是就是說因為其實在夜間的這個住宅區啊你搞不好你50分貝你就覺得就很吵了那可是你們還是定到86啊"},{"start":155.222,"end":163.358,"text":"所以我剛才問說那你們這個白天晚上標準有沒有不一樣那可是這樣問起來都是採一樣86跟90嘛那這有沒有檢討空間啊?"},{"start":164.825,"end":188.471,"text":"李委員我們來檢討一下好不好李委員剛剛講的是有道理對啊不然就是大家都一樣可是晚上一定不一樣晚上就是六七十分貝你就覺得很吵搞不好不用那麼搞就很吵好不好這個你們來檢討一下我們來檢討一下好那第二個就是說現在你們一個固定式跟移動式的這一個科技執法210套嘛"},{"start":190.071,"end":202.743,"text":"那你們說預計在這個114年增加到306套嗎?是不是?那現在增加大概100套左右,第一個明年有辦法完成嗎?"},{"start":204.298,"end":221.235,"text":"我們希望明年本來是到116﹖所以這一套是多少錢啊?這一套多少錢?這個一套一百萬左右那都是中央付嗎?目前跟我有報告目前是中央付一部分那地方要配合款那多少?比例是多少?"},{"start":221.835,"end":245.702,"text":"比例跟各縣市的那個財政條件不同會有不同比如新北市勒大概比如說中央出多少地方出多少我的意思是說當然現在我看你們給新北已經算是最多了36套可是我們新北很大36你分一分各區就分不到什麼了所以我就想說這個如果100萬的話其實"},{"start":247.923,"end":275.782,"text":"這個我不知道是預算不夠還是怎麼樣其實你明年多增加100套其實也是不夠啊我們這個東西有很難生產出來嗎?這個設備是進口的因為這是要到一級標準可是它費用不高啦老實講一百萬其實不高啦跟文包那個後面還有操作維護還是要費用並不是買了以後就可以好那你們這個"},{"start":277.243,"end":302.82,"text":"未來增加100套也是各一半嗎?移動跟固定是各一半嗎?這個我想即便是固定也可以定期做移動一個地方設置幾個月之後那那個陳情案件數有一些變化之後我們就換這個有時候我們一代表就請這個地方環保局就是說有些路段我們就覺得說民眾常常在反映可是他們就說那個不夠啊所以都沒辦法過去用啊"},{"start":303.24,"end":329.313,"text":"所以我是覺得說能夠增加再增加我覺得100套其實也是不夠啦所以我們的預算不夠還是怎麼樣?請李委員將來就是支持因為...這我明天支持啦我是說是不是你們自己編的預算不夠還是怎麼樣啦這是一回事啦沒有想到大家反應那麼正面啦都很正面啊那我是建議啦如果預算夠的話啦因為現在還在編明年預算嘛預算夠的話這個我們來增加啦好不好"},{"start":331.314,"end":350.245,"text":"我最後一個再問,按照你們的資料告發的量次110年到113年3月有3686件可是真正的裁罰的案件每年好像才500多件"},{"start":353.478,"end":360.621,"text":"這個110年110年我手中的資料才500多件欸那為什麼告發的有3000多件那可是每年抓起來才500多件這落差在哪裡啊這個我們來瞭解一下好不好就是說這個機動車輛的噪音110到111就每年都500多件啊那可是你們的資料就是說你們告發的這個量次這個有3686件這還是移動式的還有包含固定式的7000"},{"start":383.278,"end":411.696,"text":"7000多件欸還有傳統軟件7000多件那個比例差蠻多的欸我們是不是可以請李文辦公室也把資料跟我們來勾結比對一下好啊好啊這裡面落差大了對啊對啊因為落差還蠻多的啊就是你們這個有就是譬如說有告發但是後來真正裁罰的對啊比例差蠻多的啊這個是有落差必須把你們好不好你們去查一下那我們把你們資料給你們那你們再給我一個答案好不好"},{"start":412.598,"end":413.02,"text":"李坤城委員"}]}}}}