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00:02:03,919\n是不是還要再課徵娛樂稅這個是可以檢討也就是課稅項目可以做檢討第二個部分對於稅率的部分目前第五條是規定了各項各個課稅項目的一個稅率的上限那目前實務上的地方政府都是從低課徵那所以在上限的部分也可以做調整那第三個我們也要考量到地方政府事實上他因為他有他的政策目的他想要推廣哪一方面的比如文化啊或者是那個藝術表演之類的\n\n6\n00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:09,282\n﹚立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會提案須經各黨團簽署不復議書﹚立法院第1會期財政委員會提案須經各黨團簽署\n\n7\n00:02:28,871 --> 00:02:54,642\n本席沒有打斷你的回答時間但你還是沒有回答我的問題啊是什麼時候我們要調整任何一個稅率的時候財政部有點頭同意的?好像也沒有嘛我們也沒有這樣吧來,部長本席是區域委員啊所以你不用說拿地方政府來好像督我的嘴啊我當然知道說地方的財政不容易啊我當然知道說地方政府都也希望是說能夠有更多的這個援額啊但實在話說啊\n\n8\n00:02:56,002 --> 00:03:23,012\n中央在運用中央我們也會之後會討論財政收支劃分法如果說中央收支的部分能夠給地方政府有更公平的一個對待包括說給本席的新北市400萬人口但是我們人平均是拿到六都最低的有更公平的對待的話我覺得娛樂稅這相對來講這個比較項目比較少那是大家都可以接受而且再講\n\n9\n00:03:24,636 --> 00:03:48,419\n你今天的報告因為已經要討論到這個主條了有可能要討論到主條而且各黨團也都有簽所謂的不復議的一個同意書所以要討論到主條了你現在跟我們講是說可以來做檢討這個相關的這一些這個檢討條件或是部分課稅的項目但你還是沒有給我們到底具體的內容怎麼做\n\n10\n00:03:49,977 --> 00:04:18,886\n你們只有講不一樣但你沒有講說具體哪一些地方檢討哪一些地方調整沒有啊那到底是我們等到主條的時候才來做主條審查嗎還是說你們到底心目中有沒有什麼樣的方向電影是國片的部分我們可以不要爭娛樂稅還是怎麼樣的部分還是什麼表演性質我們表演團體如果說是我們這種本土的表演團體我們不要爭娛樂稅來鼓勵我們本土的文化\n\n11\n00:04:20,305 --> 00:04:32,355\n有沒有一個方向?跟委員報告齁當然您講的就是說為什麼沒有一個具體的項目就是我們如果後面講的就是說因為各個具體的項目地方政府還有一些分歧的意見所以我們希望能夠所以什麼時候會出來這個議題已經討論很久從第10屆就討論了嘛是\n\n12\n00:04:37,198 --> 00:04:54,971\n82年以來都有娛樂稅大家也都有討論說娛樂稅是不是與時俱進應該要調整但是絕對不是說到現在這個時候都已經要進入竹條了草野委員都有共識了都希望能夠修正都希望能夠爭取的時候還在講說地方政府那這樣就代表說你中央沒有去統合或說中央沒有去確認一個結論啊\n\n13\n00:04:57,459 --> 00:05:21,454\n我們即便是在立法院我們很多的委員有提出不同版本我們召委可能都會說拜託我們委員是不是各黨團去整合一個版本我們這樣子有兩三個黨團版本大家比較好來討論那一樣的道理啊今天我沒有辦法我知道各縣市的這個稅務單位都有來但我沒有辦法說叫各縣市的稅務單位大家一個一個上來所以我們當然還是請財政部來做統籌啊\n\n14\n00:05:24,496 --> 00:05:33,620\n我只想要確認是說當我們進入到主條的時候財政部會不會有一個一致的講法或說比列這樣而不是那麼空洞的講說是檢討、調降但是還是一樣搖頭\n\n15\n00:05:37,657 --> 00:05:49,221\n我想跟委員報告,財政部還是會跟地方政府來討論,我們尋求一個最大的共識。是,所以你最大共識是什麼?就是不要動,維持現狀。不是,我們剛剛不是講過的,項目要做調整。財政部從來沒有點頭過啊,不是嗎?沒有啊,財政部大家都可以討論的啊,是。\n\n16\n00:06:02,233 --> 00:06:20,360\n副長本席還是強調啦我覺得是說應該要去做這真真正正的去討論因為現在既然娛樂稅各黨團也都有版本出來那大家也都希望是說能夠調整那還有就是如果說真的我覺得應該還要去思考如果說真的娛樂稅有取消或是減免的話\n\n17\n00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:43,878\n票價上的反應能不能給實質﹑譬如說消費者﹑譬如說給這些有最實質的一個益助是跟委員報告您提到就是說如果娛樂稅不課徵的話那是不是這個票價的這個娛樂稅是不是會反映到消費者的選賞這個是很重要因為娛樂現在是他是在代徵也就是我賣電影票對不對沒錯所以\n\n18\n00:06:44,298 --> 00:06:51,311\n我順便就課真的娛樂稅但是我賣的時候賣了還是一樣你娛樂稅沒有課他依然是以這個片這個是很重要的事對啊\n\n19\n00:06:53,391 --> 00:07:14,130\n所以你要去...部長很重要所以本席現在質詢你有沒有去思考如果說假設真的有我們認為是說娛樂稅要取消的話那後面反映到票價上因為沒有代徵這一個部分了那我們怎麼樣有強制或是我們怎麼樣有一個政策工具或方法可以讓消費者也感受到\n\n20\n00:07:15,239 --> 00:07:38,777\n所以這個就後面的一個要做的事情可能會第一個地方政府少了稅收第二個消費者又沒有得到福利部長應該是今天大家都已經來了應該是財政部要超前部署要針對這個議題先去做研擬是我們會的我們還會再會邀地方政府一起來做討論的是什麼時候會邀我們時間再來定吧部長一個月內我\n\n21\n00:07:43,973 --> 00:08:11,902\n因為這個尊重召委的牌案但是我想羅明才委員他過去長期在財政委員會那麼資深的召委他也會協助那再加上是說我剛剛已經講了娛樂稅的部分我們各黨團有簽不復議同意書所以有可能很快也會來做這個逐條那本席認為應該財政部這邊要做超前部署如果說真的有調整在逐條審查的時候你們要提出你們的一個建議而不是說如同今天一樣就是\n\n22\n00:08:12,822 --> 00:08:38,995\n可以檢討跟調降但是沒有任何具體的東西我覺得這樣子沒有無助於無助於討論那還有更重要的是如果說真的有調降的話怎麼樣反映在票價上能夠讓消費者感受到現在既然政府沒有徵收這個娛樂稅一部分可以讓我們的表演團體他們能夠有減輕這個財政一部分也可以讓消費者減輕票價能夠更鼓勵大家\n\n23\n00:08:40,534 --> 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說真的娛樂稅有取消或是減免的話\n票價上的反應能不能給實質﹑譬如說消費者﹑譬如說給這些有最實質的一個益助是跟委員報告您提到就是說如果娛樂稅不課徵的話那是不是這個票價的這個娛樂稅是不是會反映到消費者的選賞這個是很重要因為娛樂現在是他是在代徵也就是我賣電影票對不對沒錯所以\n我順便就課真的娛樂稅但是我賣的時候賣了還是一樣你娛樂稅沒有課他依然是以這個片這個是很重要的事對啊\n所以你要去...部長很重要所以本席現在質詢你有沒有去思考如果說假設真的有我們認為是說娛樂稅要取消的話那後面反映到票價上因為沒有代徵這一個部分了那我們怎麼樣有強制或是我們怎麼樣有一個政策工具或方法可以讓消費者也感受到\n所以這個就後面的一個要做的事情可能會第一個地方政府少了稅收第二個消費者又沒有得到福利部長應該是今天大家都已經來了應該是財政部要超前部署要針對這個議題先去做研擬是我們會的我們還會再會邀地方政府一起來做討論的是什麼時候會邀我們時間再來定吧部長一個月內我\n因為這個尊重召委的牌案但是我想羅明才委員他過去長期在財政委員會那麼資深的召委他也會協助那再加上是說我剛剛已經講了娛樂稅的部分我們各黨團有簽不復議同意書所以有可能很快也會來做這個逐條那本席認為應該財政部這邊要做超前部署如果說真的有調整在逐條審查的時候你們要提出你們的一個建議而不是說如同今天一樣就是\n可以檢討跟調降但是沒有任何具體的東西我覺得這樣子沒有無助於無助於討論那還有更重要的是如果說真的有調降的話怎麼樣反映在票價上能夠讓消費者感受到現在既然政府沒有徵收這個娛樂稅一部分可以讓我們的表演團體他們能夠有減輕這個財政一部分也可以讓消費者減輕票價能夠更鼓勵大家\n進場看表演、進場支持我們國片或說進場支持我們的運動產業,這樣可以嗎?是,會的。一個月內召開會議。在主條的時候要提出來,可以嗎?我們先召開會議,好不好?好,一個月內,好不好?給本期、會議結論給本期以及我們財政委員會的委員。好,謝謝。謝謝部長。謝謝洪孟楷委員,謝謝。接著我們請黃國昌委員。黃國昌,在。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:01.630\n中部長,不管不分朝野的委員都對於說現在所謂的娛樂稅感到說真的已經有不合時宜的感覺,為什麼?因為這是民國31年8年抗戰時期就開徵的娛樂稅,現在有82年的歷史\n\n00:25.185 --> 00:52.907\n那娛樂稅當然經過這樣子的一個時空環境變化不同其實以前的娛樂稅以前大家會認為是說這個相對來講已經是這種富裕的時候才有辦法使用的一個稅到現在感覺是小確幸啦就民眾看個電影啊民眾去這個看個表演啊其實這個是生活的一個條式而且文化部等相關的部會我們也都鼓勵說大家應該要多參與\n\n00:54.107 --> 01:08.377\n那本席現在看到是說這個財政部還是覺得說搖頭啊覺得說廢除娛樂稅不可不不不一樣本席好奇啊過去我們要調整或是修改哪一個稅制的時候財政部有點頭過的\n\n01:11.235 --> 01:35.131\n委員報告娛樂稅是屬於地方稅所以我們要尊重地方政府的意見所以財政部也邀請了地方政府一起來討論地方政府都反對只有一個地方政府認為可以其他地方政府都反對廢止娛樂稅但是也如同剛剛委員所說的比如說有一些的娛樂項目在今天的一個社會環境情況下\n\n01:36.872 --> 02:03.919\n是不是還要再課徵娛樂稅這個是可以檢討也就是課稅項目可以做檢討第二個部分對於稅率的部分目前第五條是規定了各項各個課稅項目的一個稅率的上限那目前實務上的地方政府都是從低課徵那所以在上限的部分也可以做調整那第三個我們也要考量到地方政府事實上他因為他有他的政策目的他想要推廣哪一方面的比如文化啊或者是那個藝術表演之類的\n\n02:05.439 --> 02:09.282\n﹚立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會提案須經各黨團簽署不復議書﹚立法院第1會期財政委員會提案須經各黨團簽署\n\n02:28.871 --> 02:54.642\n本席沒有打斷你的回答時間但你還是沒有回答我的問題啊是什麼時候我們要調整任何一個稅率的時候財政部有點頭同意的?好像也沒有嘛我們也沒有這樣吧來,部長本席是區域委員啊所以你不用說拿地方政府來好像督我的嘴啊我當然知道說地方的財政不容易啊我當然知道說地方政府都也希望是說能夠有更多的這個援額啊但實在話說啊\n\n02:56.002 --> 03:23.012\n中央在運用中央我們也會之後會討論財政收支劃分法如果說中央收支的部分能夠給地方政府有更公平的一個對待包括說給本席的新北市400萬人口但是我們人平均是拿到六都最低的有更公平的對待的話我覺得娛樂稅這相對來講這個比較項目比較少那是大家都可以接受而且再講\n\n03:24.636 --> 03:48.419\n你今天的報告因為已經要討論到這個主條了有可能要討論到主條而且各黨團也都有簽所謂的不復議的一個同意書所以要討論到主條了你現在跟我們講是說可以來做檢討這個相關的這一些這個檢討條件或是部分課稅的項目但你還是沒有給我們到底具體的內容怎麼做\n\n03:49.977 --> 04:18.886\n你們只有講不一樣但你沒有講說具體哪一些地方檢討哪一些地方調整沒有啊那到底是我們等到主條的時候才來做主條審查嗎還是說你們到底心目中有沒有什麼樣的方向電影是國片的部分我們可以不要爭娛樂稅還是怎麼樣的部分還是什麼表演性質我們表演團體如果說是我們這種本土的表演團體我們不要爭娛樂稅來鼓勵我們本土的文化\n\n04:20.305 --> 04:32.355\n有沒有一個方向?跟委員報告齁當然您講的就是說為什麼沒有一個具體的項目就是我們如果後面講的就是說因為各個具體的項目地方政府還有一些分歧的意見所以我們希望能夠所以什麼時候會出來這個議題已經討論很久從第10屆就討論了嘛是\n\n04:37.198 --> 04:54.971\n82年以來都有娛樂稅大家也都有討論說娛樂稅是不是與時俱進應該要調整但是絕對不是說到現在這個時候都已經要進入竹條了草野委員都有共識了都希望能夠修正都希望能夠爭取的時候還在講說地方政府那這樣就代表說你中央沒有去統合或說中央沒有去確認一個結論啊\n\n04:57.459 --> 05:21.454\n我們即便是在立法院我們很多的委員有提出不同版本我們召委可能都會說拜託我們委員是不是各黨團去整合一個版本我們這樣子有兩三個黨團版本大家比較好來討論那一樣的道理啊今天我沒有辦法我知道各縣市的這個稅務單位都有來但我沒有辦法說叫各縣市的稅務單位大家一個一個上來所以我們當然還是請財政部來做統籌啊\n\n05:24.496 --> 05:33.620\n我只想要確認是說當我們進入到主條的時候財政部會不會有一個一致的講法或說比列這樣而不是那麼空洞的講說是檢討、調降但是還是一樣搖頭\n\n05:37.657 --> 05:49.221\n我想跟委員報告,財政部還是會跟地方政府來討論,我們尋求一個最大的共識。是,所以你最大共識是什麼?就是不要動,維持現狀。不是,我們剛剛不是講過的,項目要做調整。財政部從來沒有點頭過啊,不是嗎?沒有啊,財政部大家都可以討論的啊,是。\n\n06:02.233 --> 06:20.360\n副長本席還是強調啦我覺得是說應該要去做這真真正正的去討論因為現在既然娛樂稅各黨團也都有版本出來那大家也都希望是說能夠調整那還有就是如果說真的我覺得應該還要去思考如果說真的娛樂稅有取消或是減免的話\n\n06:21.320 --> 06:43.878\n票價上的反應能不能給實質﹑譬如說消費者﹑譬如說給這些有最實質的一個益助是跟委員報告您提到就是說如果娛樂稅不課徵的話那是不是這個票價的這個娛樂稅是不是會反映到消費者的選賞這個是很重要因為娛樂現在是他是在代徵也就是我賣電影票對不對沒錯所以\n\n06:44.298 --> 06:51.311\n我順便就課真的娛樂稅但是我賣的時候賣了還是一樣你娛樂稅沒有課他依然是以這個片這個是很重要的事對啊\n\n06:53.391 --> 07:14.130\n所以你要去...部長很重要所以本席現在質詢你有沒有去思考如果說假設真的有我們認為是說娛樂稅要取消的話那後面反映到票價上因為沒有代徵這一個部分了那我們怎麼樣有強制或是我們怎麼樣有一個政策工具或方法可以讓消費者也感受到\n\n07:15.239 --> 07:38.777\n所以這個就後面的一個要做的事情可能會第一個地方政府少了稅收第二個消費者又沒有得到福利部長應該是今天大家都已經來了應該是財政部要超前部署要針對這個議題先去做研擬是我們會的我們還會再會邀地方政府一起來做討論的是什麼時候會邀我們時間再來定吧部長一個月內我\n\n07:43.973 --> 08:11.902\n因為這個尊重召委的牌案但是我想羅明才委員他過去長期在財政委員會那麼資深的召委他也會協助那再加上是說我剛剛已經講了娛樂稅的部分我們各黨團有簽不復議同意書所以有可能很快也會來做這個逐條那本席認為應該財政部這邊要做超前部署如果說真的有調整在逐條審查的時候你們要提出你們的一個建議而不是說如同今天一樣就是\n\n08:12.822 --> 08:38.995\n可以檢討跟調降但是沒有任何具體的東西我覺得這樣子沒有無助於無助於討論那還有更重要的是如果說真的有調降的話怎麼樣反映在票價上能夠讓消費者感受到現在既然政府沒有徵收這個娛樂稅一部分可以讓我們的表演團體他們能夠有減輕這個財政一部分也可以讓消費者減輕票價能夠更鼓勵大家\n\n08:40.534 --> 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