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00:03:20,806\n特殊部長昨天晚上昨天晚上在我的家鄉屏東的萬丹就出現了一家知名的電氣廠的工廠大火那我們去查了一下齁這個工廠現在他的合法登記是在高雄市在萬丹的這個地方看起來應該是倉儲對不對\n\n10\n00:03:23,254 --> 00:03:23,774\n法條文裏,\n\n11\n00:03:50,405 --> 00:04:12,269\n其實我們並沒有把倉儲納入條文這也是我們在擔憂的地方大家園他有完成了特登的登記那他的這個倉儲是不是也完成了特登的登記有嗎他的這個倉儲有完成特登的登記他這個地址都有特登的登記可是他這個倉儲看起來應該是在農地裡頭吧\n\n12\n00:04:19,315 --> 00:04:36,683\n創出可以完成已在農地裡頭完成特登有兩個問題我要請教的一個我們內門啊內門的中破塞因為內門也都是農地內門的中破塞他的外匯的這一些器具餐桌椅\n\n13\n00:04:38,123 --> 00:04:47,775\n他蓋了一個廠房蓋了一個倉庫可是他的特登申請不下來因為農業部說農地上面只能做農地使用\n\n14\n00:04:49,076 --> 00:05:12,038\n工業局經濟部說這個呢倉儲不在我的工輔法的輔導範圍之內倉儲不需要去申請所以變成他完全沒有辦法去申請合法的登記那我就不知道大家原是用什麼樣的方式可以在農地上面去申請他的倉儲可以成為合法的登記這是第一個第二個像這樣子的倉儲\n\n15\n00:05:13,399 --> 00:05:39,093\n如果他不需要特別申請的話沒有納入我們原來的管理辦法遇到這樣子的大火的時候我們該怎麼處理?未來我們有什麼樣的管理機制嗎?來部長。兩個齁一個就是倉儲的部分那因為沒有辦法符合工廠輔導法就是製造業的這個標準我們在工服法裡面有講製造業要有多少馬力以上的才會符合\n\n16\n00:05:40,013 --> 00:05:45,214\n所以要符合這個標準那才會是公務法納管的對象那這是第一個那第二個呢在之前我們跨部會也有在討論說那倉儲沒有人管那這個有沒有怎麼他如果發生這些公安意外怎麼辦那結果跨部會來討論的結果就是說倉儲的部分因為他有的會在特定地區那會有的會屬於內政部管有的會是屬於特定地區管\n\n17\n00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:10,741\n三十一條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n18\n00:06:27,384 --> 00:06:44,943\n競技部也可以配合內政部的部分來做相關的這個協助讓他們符合相關的這個消防的法規的需求。」所以部長其實您這樣的說明還是感覺上倉儲還是屬在一個沒有沒有一個明確的主管機關管理的沒有特別對倉儲來定那你比如說像這樣子的\n\n19\n00:06:49,527 --> 00:07:15,517\n昨天晚上發生大火的這樣的一個工廠到底他的消防設備合不合格那他已經完成的納管登記嘛所以照理講他應該就是屬於經濟部管的嘛對他是他有特等所以是經濟部管家那經濟部對於這樣子的一個管理上面就是他的整個消防整個公共安全的部分是不是也都完全合乎你們的這些規定\n\n20\n00:07:17,203 --> 00:07:41,724\n這個我們會都會有這個相關的檢查。我想可能因為昨天晚上才發生大火啦吼很多事情都還是需要釐清但是就這個部分我覺得倉儲納管的這個部分我其實還是希望經濟部能夠跟一些主管單位其實你說像農地工廠你們很多是要跟農業部協調的我剛剛提到的像我內門很多的中破塞他們就遇到這樣的一個問題\n\n21\n00:07:42,745 --> 00:08:09,565\n他跟農業部申請也不行跟經濟部申請也不行變成他的那一些廚具煮東西的那個外匯的鍋具餐桌椅等等完全沒有辦法去設立他連搭個鐵皮屋蓋個倉庫也不知道他應該要去跟誰申請也不知道誰要來管他願意被管啊只要你們能夠讓他合法申請可是不管剛剛我聽您的這樣的回答看起來\n\n22\n00:08:10,786 --> 00:08:37,801\n還是沒有人可以去管他的所以這個部分我覺得可能還是需要有一些跨部會的相關的這一些合作然後把倉儲這個事情是不是也能夠納入你的工廠輔導法如果他不是屬於製造業的話那我覺得倉儲該歸在哪裡去管該怎麼管我認為還是應該要訂定一套管理辦法出來好不好好再跟委員說明謝謝\n\n23\n00:08:40,403 --> 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案\n57521\t70932\t快倒的富凱大飯店,結果我們台電的很多的同仁第一時間就在要傾倒的大飯店前面在搶修這些電力。所以如果這樣子還要持續不斷的再去罵他們的話,我覺得\n72833\t81800\t人性上可能會有一點缺失不過就這個虛量競價的機制我認為經濟部跟台電其實有必要再向社會大眾進行更詳盡的說明這不是現在才有的不是民進黨政府發明的這是1979年開始就已經實施而且國際上也都是用這樣的一個方式在進行所以我覺得可能還是要請部長您跟台電在就這一方面\n102897\t104659\t在跟國人進行更詳細的說明。」\n123934\t153517\t然後這個網友去把最近的停電的報導的次數把它做成一張圖的話我們會看到會是一個很大的一個交叉的X形從2012年的將近兩萬多次的停電到2023年的差不多五萬次的這樣的一個停電其實停電的次數是大幅下降但是被報導的次數是完全不成正比啊\n153957\t181294\t我覺得還是要替台電的同仁感到相當的委屈那部長這個很多人說不是台電的總經理要下台是部長您要下台其實你這幾年的努力我們大家也都看在眼裡我想還是要給部長一些加油跟鼓勵那接下來我想這個我們還是要提到我們今天要處理的這個法案我們今天處理工廠輔導法這主要原因是因為前一陣子的這個民洋的大火\n181894\t200806\t特殊部長昨天晚上昨天晚上在我的家鄉屏東的萬丹就出現了一家知名的電氣廠的工廠大火那我們去查了一下齁這個工廠現在他的合法登記是在高雄市在萬丹的這個地方看起來應該是倉儲對不對\n203254\t203774\t法條文裏,\n230405\t252269\t其實我們並沒有把倉儲納入條文這也是我們在擔憂的地方大家園他有完成了特登的登記那他的這個倉儲是不是也完成了特登的登記有嗎他的這個倉儲有完成特登的登記他這個地址都有特登的登記可是他這個倉儲看起來應該是在農地裡頭吧\n259315\t276683\t創出可以完成已在農地裡頭完成特登有兩個問題我要請教的一個我們內門啊內門的中破塞因為內門也都是農地內門的中破塞他的外匯的這一些器具餐桌椅\n278123\t287775\t他蓋了一個廠房蓋了一個倉庫可是他的特登申請不下來因為農業部說農地上面只能做農地使用\n289076\t312038\t工業局經濟部說這個呢倉儲不在我的工輔法的輔導範圍之內倉儲不需要去申請所以變成他完全沒有辦法去申請合法的登記那我就不知道大家原是用什麼樣的方式可以在農地上面去申請他的倉儲可以成為合法的登記這是第一個第二個像這樣子的倉儲\n313399\t339093\t如果他不需要特別申請的話沒有納入我們原來的管理辦法遇到這樣子的大火的時候我們該怎麼處理?未來我們有什麼樣的管理機制嗎?來部長。兩個齁一個就是倉儲的部分那因為沒有辦法符合工廠輔導法就是製造業的這個標準我們在工服法裡面有講製造業要有多少馬力以上的才會符合\n340013\t345214\t所以要符合這個標準那才會是公務法納管的對象那這是第一個那第二個呢在之前我們跨部會也有在討論說那倉儲沒有人管那這個有沒有怎麼他如果發生這些公安意外怎麼辦那結果跨部會來討論的結果就是說倉儲的部分因為他有的會在特定地區那會有的會屬於內政部管有的會是屬於特定地區管\n369759\t370741\t三十一條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n387384\t404943\t競技部也可以配合內政部的部分來做相關的這個協助讓他們符合相關的這個消防的法規的需求。」所以部長其實您這樣的說明還是感覺上倉儲還是屬在一個沒有沒有一個明確的主管機關管理的沒有特別對倉儲來定那你比如說像這樣子的\n409527\t435517\t昨天晚上發生大火的這樣的一個工廠到底他的消防設備合不合格那他已經完成的納管登記嘛所以照理講他應該就是屬於經濟部管的嘛對他是他有特等所以是經濟部管家那經濟部對於這樣子的一個管理上面就是他的整個消防整個公共安全的部分是不是也都完全合乎你們的這些規定\n437203\t461724\t這個我們會都會有這個相關的檢查。我想可能因為昨天晚上才發生大火啦吼很多事情都還是需要釐清但是就這個部分我覺得倉儲納管的這個部分我其實還是希望經濟部能夠跟一些主管單位其實你說像農地工廠你們很多是要跟農業部協調的我剛剛提到的像我內門很多的中破塞他們就遇到這樣的一個問題\n462745\t489565\t他跟農業部申請也不行跟經濟部申請也不行變成他的那一些廚具煮東西的那個外匯的鍋具餐桌椅等等完全沒有辦法去設立他連搭個鐵皮屋蓋個倉庫也不知道他應該要去跟誰申請也不知道誰要來管他願意被管啊只要你們能夠讓他合法申請可是不管剛剛我聽您的這樣的回答看起來\n490786\t517801\t還是沒有人可以去管他的所以這個部分我覺得可能還是需要有一些跨部會的相關的這一些合作然後把倉儲這個事情是不是也能夠納入你的工廠輔導法如果他不是屬於製造業的話那我覺得倉儲該歸在哪裡去管該怎麼管我認為還是應該要訂定一套管理辦法出來好不好好再跟委員說明謝謝\n520403\t522961\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n","txt":"請召委諮詢。\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案 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案\n快倒的富凱大飯店,結果我們台電的很多的同仁第一時間就在要傾倒的大飯店前面在搶修這些電力。所以如果這樣子還要持續不斷的再去罵他們的話,我覺得\n人性上可能會有一點缺失不過就這個虛量競價的機制我認為經濟部跟台電其實有必要再向社會大眾進行更詳盡的說明這不是現在才有的不是民進黨政府發明的這是1979年開始就已經實施而且國際上也都是用這樣的一個方式在進行所以我覺得可能還是要請部長您跟台電在就這一方面\n在跟國人進行更詳細的說明。」\n然後這個網友去把最近的停電的報導的次數把它做成一張圖的話我們會看到會是一個很大的一個交叉的X形從2012年的將近兩萬多次的停電到2023年的差不多五萬次的這樣的一個停電其實停電的次數是大幅下降但是被報導的次數是完全不成正比啊\n我覺得還是要替台電的同仁感到相當的委屈那部長這個很多人說不是台電的總經理要下台是部長您要下台其實你這幾年的努力我們大家也都看在眼裡我想還是要給部長一些加油跟鼓勵那接下來我想這個我們還是要提到我們今天要處理的這個法案我們今天處理工廠輔導法這主要原因是因為前一陣子的這個民洋的大火\n特殊部長昨天晚上昨天晚上在我的家鄉屏東的萬丹就出現了一家知名的電氣廠的工廠大火那我們去查了一下齁這個工廠現在他的合法登記是在高雄市在萬丹的這個地方看起來應該是倉儲對不對\n法條文裏,\n其實我們並沒有把倉儲納入條文這也是我們在擔憂的地方大家園他有完成了特登的登記那他的這個倉儲是不是也完成了特登的登記有嗎他的這個倉儲有完成特登的登記他這個地址都有特登的登記可是他這個倉儲看起來應該是在農地裡頭吧\n創出可以完成已在農地裡頭完成特登有兩個問題我要請教的一個我們內門啊內門的中破塞因為內門也都是農地內門的中破塞他的外匯的這一些器具餐桌椅\n他蓋了一個廠房蓋了一個倉庫可是他的特登申請不下來因為農業部說農地上面只能做農地使用\n工業局經濟部說這個呢倉儲不在我的工輔法的輔導範圍之內倉儲不需要去申請所以變成他完全沒有辦法去申請合法的登記那我就不知道大家原是用什麼樣的方式可以在農地上面去申請他的倉儲可以成為合法的登記這是第一個第二個像這樣子的倉儲\n如果他不需要特別申請的話沒有納入我們原來的管理辦法遇到這樣子的大火的時候我們該怎麼處理?未來我們有什麼樣的管理機制嗎?來部長。兩個齁一個就是倉儲的部分那因為沒有辦法符合工廠輔導法就是製造業的這個標準我們在工服法裡面有講製造業要有多少馬力以上的才會符合\n所以要符合這個標準那才會是公務法納管的對象那這是第一個那第二個呢在之前我們跨部會也有在討論說那倉儲沒有人管那這個有沒有怎麼他如果發生這些公安意外怎麼辦那結果跨部會來討論的結果就是說倉儲的部分因為他有的會在特定地區那會有的會屬於內政部管有的會是屬於特定地區管\n三十一條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n競技部也可以配合內政部的部分來做相關的這個協助讓他們符合相關的這個消防的法規的需求。」所以部長其實您這樣的說明還是感覺上倉儲還是屬在一個沒有沒有一個明確的主管機關管理的沒有特別對倉儲來定那你比如說像這樣子的\n昨天晚上發生大火的這樣的一個工廠到底他的消防設備合不合格那他已經完成的納管登記嘛所以照理講他應該就是屬於經濟部管的嘛對他是他有特等所以是經濟部管家那經濟部對於這樣子的一個管理上面就是他的整個消防整個公共安全的部分是不是也都完全合乎你們的這些規定\n這個我們會都會有這個相關的檢查。我想可能因為昨天晚上才發生大火啦吼很多事情都還是需要釐清但是就這個部分我覺得倉儲納管的這個部分我其實還是希望經濟部能夠跟一些主管單位其實你說像農地工廠你們很多是要跟農業部協調的我剛剛提到的像我內門很多的中破塞他們就遇到這樣的一個問題\n他跟農業部申請也不行跟經濟部申請也不行變成他的那一些廚具煮東西的那個外匯的鍋具餐桌椅等等完全沒有辦法去設立他連搭個鐵皮屋蓋個倉庫也不知道他應該要去跟誰申請也不知道誰要來管他願意被管啊只要你們能夠讓他合法申請可是不管剛剛我聽您的這樣的回答看起來\n還是沒有人可以去管他的所以這個部分我覺得可能還是需要有一些跨部會的相關的這一些合作然後把倉儲這個事情是不是也能夠納入你的工廠輔導法如果他不是屬於製造業的話那我覺得倉儲該歸在哪裡去管該怎麼管我認為還是應該要訂定一套管理辦法出來好不好好再跟委員說明謝謝\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:00.550\n請召委諮詢。\n\n00:20.284 --> 00:21.485\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n00:35.451 --> 00:38.372\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案案\n\n00:57.521 --> 01:10.932\n快倒的富凱大飯店,結果我們台電的很多的同仁第一時間就在要傾倒的大飯店前面在搶修這些電力。所以如果這樣子還要持續不斷的再去罵他們的話,我覺得\n\n01:12.833 --> 01:21.800\n人性上可能會有一點缺失不過就這個虛量競價的機制我認為經濟部跟台電其實有必要再向社會大眾進行更詳盡的說明這不是現在才有的不是民進黨政府發明的這是1979年開始就已經實施而且國際上也都是用這樣的一個方式在進行所以我覺得可能還是要請部長您跟台電在就這一方面\n\n01:42.897 --> 01:44.659\n在跟國人進行更詳細的說明。」\n\n02:03.934 --> 02:33.517\n然後這個網友去把最近的停電的報導的次數把它做成一張圖的話我們會看到會是一個很大的一個交叉的X形從2012年的將近兩萬多次的停電到2023年的差不多五萬次的這樣的一個停電其實停電的次數是大幅下降但是被報導的次數是完全不成正比啊\n\n02:33.957 --> 03:01.294\n我覺得還是要替台電的同仁感到相當的委屈那部長這個很多人說不是台電的總經理要下台是部長您要下台其實你這幾年的努力我們大家也都看在眼裡我想還是要給部長一些加油跟鼓勵那接下來我想這個我們還是要提到我們今天要處理的這個法案我們今天處理工廠輔導法這主要原因是因為前一陣子的這個民洋的大火\n\n03:01.894 --> 03:20.806\n特殊部長昨天晚上昨天晚上在我的家鄉屏東的萬丹就出現了一家知名的電氣廠的工廠大火那我們去查了一下齁這個工廠現在他的合法登記是在高雄市在萬丹的這個地方看起來應該是倉儲對不對\n\n03:23.254 --> 03:23.774\n法條文裏,\n\n03:50.405 --> 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