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00:01:22,012\n如果這些海歸的這個義男他們在服兵役的時候會遇到哪一些問題呢?因為一般上他們可能語言是不同那本席大概有列出了三個他們應該在軍中會遇到的問題第一個就是說沒有辦法來理解這個軍令那如果義男他不懂的中文或是台語自然就沒有辦法理解軍官的這個命令所以容易造成一些誤解\n\n4\n00:01:23,112 --> 00:01:25,053\n條文修正草案案。五、審查行政院陸海空軍懲罰法部分條文修正草案。六、審查行政院陸海空軍懲罰法部分條文修正草案。\n\n5\n00:01:52,701 --> 00:02:21,002\n實際上他是高學歷的一個海歸的一男這是真實發生的事情那甚至也有從美國回來的我們所俗稱的ABC他自願入伍可是呢卻遭到霸凌之後呢他說他不想回部隊其實他們這些也是因為認同台灣他們這個母國所以回來服兵役可是卻因為語言不通遭受了這些這些問題我想請教我們國防部我們又如何應對之策\n\n6\n00:02:21,502 --> 00:02:45,869\n我跟委員報告,聽到這些事情發生,都是很遺憾的事情。但是我們國軍一向包容講說,以合於規定的、該要入營的,我們都予以接納。但的的確確有很多,因為他生活的背景、環境不同,他到部隊以後,他適應力也可能會有一些差別。但國軍從新興訓醫來報到,到他整個服役期間,\n\n7\n00:02:46,809 --> 00:03:05,194\n我跟委員報告,唯一有個好處,就是他周邊這些袍責會互相幫忙,互相扶持。當然,我們也難免會發覺有些幹部他本身心態就不對,他對人講話態度或者用的這個腔調都會刺激別人,這是我們教育訓練的問題。\n\n8\n00:03:06,474 --> 00:03:33,340\n所以我跟委員報告講我這些問題我是承認有少部分存在但我並不以為少部分我就認為無所謂這將來會變成一個通病蠻可惜的所以我們會加強我們幹部的教育訓練還有跟大家相處之道我想多方面管道去切入的話對最起碼有意願到軍中服務而他一開頭環境不太能適應的人最起碼他的緩衝期\n\n9\n00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:58,599\n當中他會得到一些幫助,也看到好的未來。」部長,其實我想要請教的就是議員的這部分,有時候他進到軍中他聽不懂軍官或是他的學長在說什麼,就要產生了一些誤會,那這個誤會可能會造成彼此之間的一些,所以我剛有提到了,或是不適應或是霸凌的這個事件。我給國防部一個建議,\n\n10\n00:04:02,182 --> 00:04:25,558\n像我們的檢查體系像法院等等司法院等等他們都已經建立了蠻完善的這個所謂的通譯制度就針對這些海歸的這些異難我們希望就是說提供議員上的這個支持跟支援所以我們也希望國防部也有這樣子的這個這個制度我想請教我們國防部做得到嗎\n\n11\n00:04:26,218 --> 00:04:42,632\n其實很多部會都已經有所謂的同意制度了我跟委員報這個要做達到什麼目標啊我講之後我也不敢保證但我覺得講說他不光語言的問題這對他本身有意願來語言他又沒辦法接納這是一個事實\n\n12\n00:04:43,533 --> 00:05:08,814\n但重點在哪裡?在他的幹部還有周飛鷹、袍澤對他的態度。如果說他們大家有這種互相關切、袍澤這種心態的話,他自然會有人去幫他。幹部對他的講話也會有所愛,不管步調各方面都跟人家一般不一樣,這要有耐心。我跟委員報告,我當教育班長的時候我就遇到過,我這個班裡面大約有一班以上的人從國外回來的。\n\n13\n00:05:09,625 --> 00:05:31,210\n有香港、有美國的,有各地的,會怎麼樣帶他們?就多溝通嘛。所以當然這裡我不能一概而論,我的方法一定好用,要讓幹部知道這是一個平常帶人接物的道理,每一個人都應該要如此。但是按照委員要求下,變成一個編制,每個單位要配多少同意人員,\n\n14\n00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:57,063\n我跟委員報告我們只能夠看狀況來視線來調整但我沒辦法把大到這個編制表裡面每個單位要幾個同意人員同意人員還分很多英文、法文、廣東話所以我在這裡要建立國防部我們應該要跟法務部跟司法院跟單位來做聯繫我或者是用共享人才庫的這個方式\n\n15\n00:05:58,083 --> 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03:33.340\n所以我跟委員報告講我這些問題我是承認有少部分存在但我並不以為少部分我就認為無所謂這將來會變成一個通病蠻可惜的所以我們會加強我們幹部的教育訓練還有跟大家相處之道我想多方面管道去切入的話對最起碼有意願到軍中服務而他一開頭環境不太能適應的人最起碼他的緩衝期\n\n03:34.760 --> 03:58.599\n當中他會得到一些幫助,也看到好的未來。」部長,其實我想要請教的就是議員的這部分,有時候他進到軍中他聽不懂軍官或是他的學長在說什麼,就要產生了一些誤會,那這個誤會可能會造成彼此之間的一些,所以我剛有提到了,或是不適應或是霸凌的這個事件。我給國防部一個建議,\n\n04:02.182 --> 04:25.558\n像我們的檢查體系像法院等等司法院等等他們都已經建立了蠻完善的這個所謂的通譯制度就針對這些海歸的這些異難我們希望就是說提供議員上的這個支持跟支援所以我們也希望國防部也有這樣子的這個這個制度我想請教我們國防部做得到嗎\n\n04:26.218 --> 04:42.632\n其實很多部會都已經有所謂的同意制度了我跟委員報這個要做達到什麼目標啊我講之後我也不敢保證但我覺得講說他不光語言的問題這對他本身有意願來語言他又沒辦法接納這是一個事實\n\n04:43.533 --> 05:08.814\n但重點在哪裡?在他的幹部還有周飛鷹、袍澤對他的態度。如果說他們大家有這種互相關切、袍澤這種心態的話,他自然會有人去幫他。幹部對他的講話也會有所愛,不管步調各方面都跟人家一般不一樣,這要有耐心。我跟委員報告,我當教育班長的時候我就遇到過,我這個班裡面大約有一班以上的人從國外回來的。\n\n05:09.625 --> 05:31.210\n有香港、有美國的,有各地的,會怎麼樣帶他們?就多溝通嘛。所以當然這裡我不能一概而論,我的方法一定好用,要讓幹部知道這是一個平常帶人接物的道理,每一個人都應該要如此。但是按照委員要求下,變成一個編制,每個單位要配多少同意人員,\n\n05:32.310 --> 05:57.063\n我跟委員報告我們只能夠看狀況來視線來調整但我沒辦法把大到這個編制表裡面每個單位要幾個同意人員同意人員還分很多英文、法文、廣東話所以我在這裡要建立國防部我們應該要跟法務部跟司法院跟單位來做聯繫我或者是用共享人才庫的這個方式\n\n05:58.083 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