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00:01:49,534\n將跟數位部重新分工,把電信號碼的管理、使用管理再劃歸NCC,所以NCC在前一陣子訂了那個委員剛才提到的那個號碼使用管理辦法,然後加強電信業者做KYC\n\n6\n00:01:51,836 --> 00:02:01,964\n對,好,你不是說加強了嗎?對不對?那麼我想要請問現在二類電信業者跟我們一類電信業者買門號的上限跟管制是什麼?大概年初到現在大概總量多少有沒有掌握?\n\n7\n00:02:04,768 --> 00:02:23,596\n我不是很清楚不是很清楚?好那我那因為業者有私下透露到現在為止還是可以大量取得喔好那我想要再請教NCC喔你們去年7月聲稱這個未經實名制的黑美卡將無法在台上網到目前為止你們查辦的進度如何?\n\n8\n00:02:26,774 --> 00:02:42,473\n這部分是也跟那個一些電商業者有在進行做一些處理那也請那個那個數位部產業署有加強處理就是電商這部分那電信主要是針對第一類電信業者\n\n9\n00:02:43,414 --> 00:02:59,475\n那我們請他們針對那個門號的部分要加強管制因為現在已經沒有第二類電信事業這種登記所以只剩下那個幾大電信公司我直接講啊其實你們查辦的進度就是鬼扯\n\n10\n00:03:00,316 --> 00:03:25,707\n因為現在只要Google就可以看到還是標榜不記名免登記免證件隨插即用均有現貨而且我告訴你現在的廠商非常嘴砲他在首頁直接刊登了所謂的重要公告他在裡面就直接嗆名根據NCC的最新要求某些臺灣上網卡、漫遊卡、黑媒卡需要開始實名制\n\n11\n00:03:29,149 --> 00:03:45,540\n然而隨著台灣總統大選的落幕有了新的發展也就是2024年的1月13號電信公司發布最新聲明宣布撤銷對台灣漫遊上網卡的實名政策恢復到正常運營狀態也就是在SIM卡直接插入手機自動開通\n\n12\n00:03:46,861 --> 00:03:57,557\n所以原本因臨時的實名制政策無法使用的用戶可以直接忽略簡訊上要求實名制的內容網卡都是隨插即用廠商直接嗆名我想請問這個內容是否屬實\n\n13\n00:04:00,882 --> 00:04:23,814\n這個應該不是事實可能是誇大宣傳不過NCC會加強這些那個執法的力道這是一定的而且他們還直接嗆喔因為這些政策導變來變去導致他們蝦品的賣場獲得一堆負評他們也是非常無奈我們也不明白NCC是否要全面實名制為什麼只實施了10天的實名制又馬上取消所以你剛剛說這不是事實嗎\n\n14\n00:04:25,543 --> 00:04:53,807\n不是事實的話我跟你說我手上這張黑莓卡就是網路上買到的我這張就是網路上買到的卡片所以還不是事實嗎代表你們沒有真的好好的管制對不對那個NCC一定會那個強力來施法啦所以我告訴你我現在買到這個不用實名制的東西就是在告訴你們你們去年7月宣誓的內容根本就是狗屁嘛\n\n15\n00:04:55,305 --> 00:05:03,000\n其實根本沒有監管啊,所以我才買得到啊,而且Google排名還第一位所以我想要問喔,這個打炸國家隊到底在幹嘛?你們有人可以回應一下嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:08,065 --> 00:05:34,185\n打詐國家隊是在行政院層級,由各部會來...對,但是我剛針對這個NCC的事情就已經出現這樣的狀況,這不就是源頭管制嗎?我會回去報告,就是會請同仁到委員的辦公室了解那個是怎麼取得...所以我要告訴你們打詐國家隊還有NCC消極不作為,你們就是打詐的豬隊友\n\n17\n00:05:35,866 --> 00:05:56,734\n連你們NCC的前委員這個蕭祺宏自己就是詐騙集團的幫兇就是詐騙集團的顧問他利用人脈還帶二類電信業者取得門號還叫他們用黑莓卡製造斷點製造斷點也就是剛剛這種啊他不需要實名不用證證然後拔掉就無法追蹤難以追查的SIM卡所以這個政策轉彎是誰決定有誰定調啊\n\n18\n00:06:01,203 --> 00:06:28,206\n好你回答不出來我就直接講好了沒有轉彎只是執行不力加強但是執行不力所以我說你們NCC只要多管一點多做一點法官根本不會有詐騙案海的淹沒的問題我們最近可以看到這個法官都已經壓力大到墜樓連辦台版的這個檢查這個柬埔寨案的法官傳訊息都說\n\n19\n00:06:29,631 --> 00:06:35,955\n我愛你抱歉要離開你了請問你們知道嗎?你們看到這個訊息我想請問法務部你們NCC打炸國家隊不會覺得心痛嗎?跟委員說明齁那個其實法務部檢察官的這個業務量其實比法官還來得多因為\n\n20\n00:06:50,509 --> 00:07:17,225\n我們起訴過去的案子百分之八十幾乎都在檢察官手頭上處理掉了所以當然對於這個法官墜樓這件事情我們也深感遺憾痛心自己這個系出同盟雖然後面分家了兄弟各自登山各自努力但是我們仍然感到非常的可以感同身受所以\n\n21\n00:07:17,705 --> 00:07:43,204\n在檢方這一塊我們就盡量的這個用這個包括我們科證法的一個一個修訂洗髮法以及這個洗髮法。不是我覺得剛剛聽起來就是我我剛剛覺得有點好笑就是你剛剛說就像說檢察官的量還是大比法官多啊你覺得這個很很無奈好我要告訴你的事情就是整體的量都非常的大詐騙量就是非常的大\n\n22\n00:07:43,965 --> 00:08:12,534\n比去年增加了非常的多不管從檢調、警察、基層員警都是一樣所以導致到現在源頭你們打詐國家隊的源頭搞不定人家壓力大到墜樓然後工作勞累那你NCC的委員不做事就算了還領這個詐騙集團的錢當詐騙集團的幫兇技術指導這讓我們人民怎麼信任啊另外警政署、訴發部也都在我想要請教一下\n\n23\n00:08:13,737 --> 00:08:18,404\n你們的這個警示帳戶聯防通報的子系統現在串聯哪些電信業者跟銀行\n\n24\n00:08:24,514 --> 00:08:39,558\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第\n\n25\n00:08:45,760 --> 00:09:11,823\n數位化的部分進展還沒完整。」那我要問你們警政署喔你們掌握該平台這個的問題有沒有遇到覺得很難用的部分想請教數發部有沒有修正了你們兩個一起回答好了報告委員好因為這個部分其實在電子警視帳戶的部分目前為止我們的所謂的產業署在處理這方面我是請產業署的同仁回答\n\n26\n00:09:15,885 --> 00:09:43,653\n報告委員我們現在目前來講的話書發部主要是業管所謂的第三方支付業者還有所謂的電商那目前來講的話我們已經找了因為我們第三方業者有做這個能量登錄那能量登錄進來的業者裡面我們大概有現在通過有四十幾家我們會把那四十幾家的一些通報平台大概串在一起就是說他包括我們現在再把這個平台架上去就是說這個第三方業者背後搭配的一些銀行是什麼\n\n27\n00:09:44,013 --> 00:10:03,901\n沒關係我跟你講這個系統同報紙系統我跟基層的員警有溝通過目前有遇到這下列的問題請你們好好的回去檢討一個外籍受處分人也就是外國人他的身份證號輸入因為無統一規定要輸入護照號碼的身份證號導致系統判定是不同的案件無法併案\n\n28\n00:10:05,580 --> 00:10:16,130\n你知道嗎?知道,這個問題有反映過,要以身份證字號就一個那你們改善了嗎?目前已經通報改善了已經完成改善了嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:18,257 --> 00:10:39,691\n還在處理中所以還沒改善好我告訴你這是基層員警遇到的問題他們很痛苦原諒很大再來外籍系統示範期間變成登載系統要傳真給銀行例如統一案要設8個不同銀行就要與8個銀行溝通而且是傳真萬一遇到銀行端設備問題一個案件要搞好幾個小時平常業務都不用做工時還要更長\n\n30\n00:10:40,692 --> 00:11:01,190\n再來,系統沒有跟165系統連動,尋找被害人的資料要上165下載,還要在再行上傳告誡系統,甚至卷宗還要分一頁一頁上傳,你們覺得這樣子夠數位、夠科技、夠多元宇宙嗎?我們覺得是不夠,所以我們這部分已經在花包了,這部分我們自信是已經認為今天這個真的是一個問題,所以我們已經\n\n31\n00:11:04,693 --> 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是源頭管制嗎?我會回去報告,就是會請同仁到委員的辦公室了解那個是怎麼取得...所以我要告訴你們打詐國家隊還有NCC消極不作為,你們就是打詐的豬隊友\n連你們NCC的前委員這個蕭祺宏自己就是詐騙集團的幫兇就是詐騙集團的顧問他利用人脈還帶二類電信業者取得門號還叫他們用黑莓卡製造斷點製造斷點也就是剛剛這種啊他不需要實名不用證證然後拔掉就無法追蹤難以追查的SIM卡所以這個政策轉彎是誰決定有誰定調啊\n好你回答不出來我就直接講好了沒有轉彎只是執行不力加強但是執行不力所以我說你們NCC只要多管一點多做一點法官根本不會有詐騙案海的淹沒的問題我們最近可以看到這個法官都已經壓力大到墜樓連辦台版的這個檢查這個柬埔寨案的法官傳訊息都說\n我愛你抱歉要離開你了請問你們知道嗎?你們看到這個訊息我想請問法務部你們NCC打炸國家隊不會覺得心痛嗎?跟委員說明齁那個其實法務部檢察官的這個業務量其實比法官還來得多因為\n我們起訴過去的案子百分之八十幾乎都在檢察官手頭上處理掉了所以當然對於這個法官墜樓這件事情我們也深感遺憾痛心自己這個系出同盟雖然後面分家了兄弟各自登山各自努力但是我們仍然感到非常的可以感同身受所以\n在檢方這一塊我們就盡量的這個用這個包括我們科證法的一個一個修訂洗髮法以及這個洗髮法。不是我覺得剛剛聽起來就是我我剛剛覺得有點好笑就是你剛剛說就像說檢察官的量還是大比法官多啊你覺得這個很很無奈好我要告訴你的事情就是整體的量都非常的大詐騙量就是非常的大\n比去年增加了非常的多不管從檢調、警察、基層員警都是一樣所以導致到現在源頭你們打詐國家隊的源頭搞不定人家壓力大到墜樓然後工作勞累那你NCC的委員不做事就算了還領這個詐騙集團的錢當詐騙集團的幫兇技術指導這讓我們人民怎麼信任啊另外警政署、訴發部也都在我想要請教一下\n你們的這個警示帳戶聯防通報的子系統現在串聯哪些電信業者跟銀行\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第\n數位化的部分進展還沒完整。」那我要問你們警政署喔你們掌握該平台這個的問題有沒有遇到覺得很難用的部分想請教數發部有沒有修正了你們兩個一起回答好了報告委員好因為這個部分其實在電子警視帳戶的部分目前為止我們的所謂的產業署在處理這方面我是請產業署的同仁回答\n報告委員我們現在目前來講的話書發部主要是業管所謂的第三方支付業者還有所謂的電商那目前來講的話我們已經找了因為我們第三方業者有做這個能量登錄那能量登錄進來的業者裡面我們大概有現在通過有四十幾家我們會把那四十幾家的一些通報平台大概串在一起就是說他包括我們現在再把這個平台架上去就是說這個第三方業者背後搭配的一些銀行是什麼\n沒關係我跟你講這個系統同報紙系統我跟基層的員警有溝通過目前有遇到這下列的問題請你們好好的回去檢討一個外籍受處分人也就是外國人他的身份證號輸入因為無統一規定要輸入護照號碼的身份證號導致系統判定是不同的案件無法併案\n你知道嗎?知道,這個問題有反映過,要以身份證字號就一個那你們改善了嗎?目前已經通報改善了已經完成改善了嗎?\n還在處理中所以還沒改善好我告訴你這是基層員警遇到的問題他們很痛苦原諒很大再來外籍系統示範期間變成登載系統要傳真給銀行例如統一案要設8個不同銀行就要與8個銀行溝通而且是傳真萬一遇到銀行端設備問題一個案件要搞好幾個小時平常業務都不用做工時還要更長\n再來,系統沒有跟165系統連動,尋找被害人的資料要上165下載,還要在再行上傳告誡系統,甚至卷宗還要分一頁一頁上傳,你們覺得這樣子夠數位、夠科技、夠多元宇宙嗎?我們覺得是不夠,所以我們這部分已經在花包了,這部分我們自信是已經認為今天這個真的是一個問題,所以我們已經\n所以你們打詐國家隊搞到現在整個報案流程還在搞傳真系統還會當機然後銀行收到通知在執行我跟你講這車手都可以把錢領走了這些問題可不可以回去確實的檢討請我們打詐國家隊的五個兄弟好好的檢討好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.435 --> 00:27.743\n謝謝主席那這次呢比較特別有請我們NCC速發部警政署跟法務部請速發部牛司長還有內政部警政署賈樂吉警政委員還有法務部郭司長\n\n00:35.478 --> 00:49.119\n你們好因為很難得在我們衛環委員會可以遇到我們打詐國家隊所以想要先趁這個機會來請教你們我想請教NCC你們近期公布這個\n\n00:51.514 --> 01:05.885\n電信管理法有關於電信事業用戶號碼使用管理的辦法規定我們一類電信業者跟我們二類的MVNO電信各有KYC的規定和法則,對嗎?\n\n01:08.371 --> 01:17.735\n報告委員,我嘗試回答委員的問題,因為今天我不是業管單位的主管,所以我嘗試回答委員的問題。因為電信號碼曾經被濫用,所以我們加強管理,經過行政院在\n\n01:31.540 --> 01:49.534\n將跟數位部重新分工,把電信號碼的管理、使用管理再劃歸NCC,所以NCC在前一陣子訂了那個委員剛才提到的那個號碼使用管理辦法,然後加強電信業者做KYC\n\n01:51.836 --> 02:01.964\n對,好,你不是說加強了嗎?對不對?那麼我想要請問現在二類電信業者跟我們一類電信業者買門號的上限跟管制是什麼?大概年初到現在大概總量多少有沒有掌握?\n\n02:04.768 --> 02:23.596\n我不是很清楚不是很清楚?好那我那因為業者有私下透露到現在為止還是可以大量取得喔好那我想要再請教NCC喔你們去年7月聲稱這個未經實名制的黑美卡將無法在台上網到目前為止你們查辦的進度如何?\n\n02:26.774 --> 02:42.473\n這部分是也跟那個一些電商業者有在進行做一些處理那也請那個那個數位部產業署有加強處理就是電商這部分那電信主要是針對第一類電信業者\n\n02:43.414 --> 02:59.475\n那我們請他們針對那個門號的部分要加強管制因為現在已經沒有第二類電信事業這種登記所以只剩下那個幾大電信公司我直接講啊其實你們查辦的進度就是鬼扯\n\n03:00.316 --> 03:25.707\n因為現在只要Google就可以看到還是標榜不記名免登記免證件隨插即用均有現貨而且我告訴你現在的廠商非常嘴砲他在首頁直接刊登了所謂的重要公告他在裡面就直接嗆名根據NCC的最新要求某些臺灣上網卡、漫遊卡、黑媒卡需要開始實名制\n\n03:29.149 --> 03:45.540\n然而隨著台灣總統大選的落幕有了新的發展也就是2024年的1月13號電信公司發布最新聲明宣布撤銷對台灣漫遊上網卡的實名政策恢復到正常運營狀態也就是在SIM卡直接插入手機自動開通\n\n03:46.861 --> 03:57.557\n所以原本因臨時的實名制政策無法使用的用戶可以直接忽略簡訊上要求實名制的內容網卡都是隨插即用廠商直接嗆名我想請問這個內容是否屬實\n\n04:00.882 --> 04:23.814\n這個應該不是事實可能是誇大宣傳不過NCC會加強這些那個執法的力道這是一定的而且他們還直接嗆喔因為這些政策導變來變去導致他們蝦品的賣場獲得一堆負評他們也是非常無奈我們也不明白NCC是否要全面實名制為什麼只實施了10天的實名制又馬上取消所以你剛剛說這不是事實嗎\n\n04:25.543 --> 04:53.807\n不是事實的話我跟你說我手上這張黑莓卡就是網路上買到的我這張就是網路上買到的卡片所以還不是事實嗎代表你們沒有真的好好的管制對不對那個NCC一定會那個強力來施法啦所以我告訴你我現在買到這個不用實名制的東西就是在告訴你們你們去年7月宣誓的內容根本就是狗屁嘛\n\n04:55.305 --> 05:03.000\n其實根本沒有監管啊,所以我才買得到啊,而且Google排名還第一位所以我想要問喔,這個打炸國家隊到底在幹嘛?你們有人可以回應一下嗎?\n\n05:08.065 --> 05:34.185\n打詐國家隊是在行政院層級,由各部會來...對,但是我剛針對這個NCC的事情就已經出現這樣的狀況,這不就是源頭管制嗎?我會回去報告,就是會請同仁到委員的辦公室了解那個是怎麼取得...所以我要告訴你們打詐國家隊還有NCC消極不作為,你們就是打詐的豬隊友\n\n05:35.866 --> 05:56.734\n連你們NCC的前委員這個蕭祺宏自己就是詐騙集團的幫兇就是詐騙集團的顧問他利用人脈還帶二類電信業者取得門號還叫他們用黑莓卡製造斷點製造斷點也就是剛剛這種啊他不需要實名不用證證然後拔掉就無法追蹤難以追查的SIM卡所以這個政策轉彎是誰決定有誰定調啊\n\n06:01.203 --> 06:28.206\n好你回答不出來我就直接講好了沒有轉彎只是執行不力加強但是執行不力所以我說你們NCC只要多管一點多做一點法官根本不會有詐騙案海的淹沒的問題我們最近可以看到這個法官都已經壓力大到墜樓連辦台版的這個檢查這個柬埔寨案的法官傳訊息都說\n\n06:29.631 --> 06:35.955\n我愛你抱歉要離開你了請問你們知道嗎?你們看到這個訊息我想請問法務部你們NCC打炸國家隊不會覺得心痛嗎?跟委員說明齁那個其實法務部檢察官的這個業務量其實比法官還來得多因為\n\n06:50.509 --> 07:17.225\n我們起訴過去的案子百分之八十幾乎都在檢察官手頭上處理掉了所以當然對於這個法官墜樓這件事情我們也深感遺憾痛心自己這個系出同盟雖然後面分家了兄弟各自登山各自努力但是我們仍然感到非常的可以感同身受所以\n\n07:17.705 --> 07:43.204\n在檢方這一塊我們就盡量的這個用這個包括我們科證法的一個一個修訂洗髮法以及這個洗髮法。不是我覺得剛剛聽起來就是我我剛剛覺得有點好笑就是你剛剛說就像說檢察官的量還是大比法官多啊你覺得這個很很無奈好我要告訴你的事情就是整體的量都非常的大詐騙量就是非常的大\n\n07:43.965 --> 08:12.534\n比去年增加了非常的多不管從檢調、警察、基層員警都是一樣所以導致到現在源頭你們打詐國家隊的源頭搞不定人家壓力大到墜樓然後工作勞累那你NCC的委員不做事就算了還領這個詐騙集團的錢當詐騙集團的幫兇技術指導這讓我們人民怎麼信任啊另外警政署、訴發部也都在我想要請教一下\n\n08:13.737 --> 08:18.404\n你們的這個警示帳戶聯防通報的子系統現在串聯哪些電信業者跟銀行\n\n08:24.514 --> 08:39.558\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第1會期社會福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會第12屆第\n\n08:45.760 --> 09:11.823\n數位化的部分進展還沒完整。」那我要問你們警政署喔你們掌握該平台這個的問題有沒有遇到覺得很難用的部分想請教數發部有沒有修正了你們兩個一起回答好了報告委員好因為這個部分其實在電子警視帳戶的部分目前為止我們的所謂的產業署在處理這方面我是請產業署的同仁回答\n\n09:15.885 --> 09:43.653\n報告委員我們現在目前來講的話書發部主要是業管所謂的第三方支付業者還有所謂的電商那目前來講的話我們已經找了因為我們第三方業者有做這個能量登錄那能量登錄進來的業者裡面我們大概有現在通過有四十幾家我們會把那四十幾家的一些通報平台大概串在一起就是說他包括我們現在再把這個平台架上去就是說這個第三方業者背後搭配的一些銀行是什麼\n\n09:44.013 --> 10:03.901\n沒關係我跟你講這個系統同報紙系統我跟基層的員警有溝通過目前有遇到這下列的問題請你們好好的回去檢討一個外籍受處分人也就是外國人他的身份證號輸入因為無統一規定要輸入護照號碼的身份證號導致系統判定是不同的案件無法併案\n\n10:05.580 --> 10:16.130\n你知道嗎?知道,這個問題有反映過,要以身份證字號就一個那你們改善了嗎?目前已經通報改善了已經完成改善了嗎?\n\n10:18.257 --> 10:39.691\n還在處理中所以還沒改善好我告訴你這是基層員警遇到的問題他們很痛苦原諒很大再來外籍系統示範期間變成登載系統要傳真給銀行例如統一案要設8個不同銀行就要與8個銀行溝通而且是傳真萬一遇到銀行端設備問題一個案件要搞好幾個小時平常業務都不用做工時還要更長\n\n10:40.692 --> 11:01.190\n再來,系統沒有跟165系統連動,尋找被害人的資料要上165下載,還要在再行上傳告誡系統,甚至卷宗還要分一頁一頁上傳,你們覺得這樣子夠數位、夠科技、夠多元宇宙嗎?我們覺得是不夠,所以我們這部分已經在花包了,這部分我們自信是已經認為今天這個真的是一個問題,所以我們已經\n\n11:04.693 --> 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