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--> 00:00:52,027\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n4\n00:01:13,502 --> 00:01:39,791\n大家擔心說這個電價上漲之後會不會有轉嫁的行為所以說這個問題其實也是老生常談也就是說很多人都要去談說在這個租屋主跟房東的不對等的關係之下這個電費收取的這個問題那麼3月18號的時候這曾經部長也在這個內政委員會來做答詢的時候其實也有說一個月要解決這個問題那今天是4月23號所以是不是請部長來報告一下現在這個問題解決了沒有\n\n5\n00:01:43,483 --> 00:02:04,632\n我們在3月27號已經邀集相關機關團體召開第三次座談會,並且把相關規劃進行的一個方案來做一個討論跟確定。目前已經在進行預告,大概預告的時間是20天,預告完成之後報行政院來做核定。\n\n6\n00:02:04,952 --> 00:02:30,340\n因為你這個報告裡面有寫嘛就是說理論上來講要處理解凍案你就要提書面報告那書面報告其實時間已經過一個月了那你們現在程序你講說合訂你這個住宅租賃定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項寫完了沒有?是我們已經修完了我們已經修完了那現在正在進行預告它需要一個預告的程序好那你簡單在這個地方報告一下就是說它修訂的方向是什麼?\n\n7\n00:02:30,580 --> 00:02:47,244\n如何能夠確保租屋族的電費不會被人家超收的問題?簡單報告我想這個部分大概分成兩點第一個是租屋電費的計收標準約定以用電度數計費者每度電價應不得超過該租賃標的電費單當期每度平均電價\n\n8\n00:02:54,186 --> 00:03:08,958\n公共設施電費未分攤並入註定標的電費內者,不得額外收取。非約定以用電度數計費者、出租人所收取之每期電費總金額,不得超過該註定標的電費單之每期電費總額。\n\n9\n00:03:14,682 --> 00:03:29,510\n那另外就是租屋電費資訊的一個提供,增訂房東應提供或授權房客查詢租賃期間租屋電費資訊的義務規定。在過去的一個機制之下,這個租客要查詢的時候,台電往往是講說這個因為屋主是這個\n\n10\n00:03:30,771 --> 00:03:33,972\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n11\n00:03:47,276 --> 00:04:15,109\n我們這邊只要程序完成之後當然就會依這個相關新的規定來進行所以你現在講在公告期間內所以具體的一個上路的時間是幾月幾啊公告就是20天然後我們會報行政院核定核定完之後就可以公告完之後核定中還會有行政流程嗎我們現在在預告預告完之後報行政院核定你現在預告期間結束是幾月幾啊行政院可能有一個審議的一個程序不是啦預告結束是幾月幾啊\n\n12\n00:04:16,570 --> 00:04:39,078\n二十天,那你哪一天開始預告啊?你今天開始?今天開始預告。喔,今天才開始預告?嗯。好吧,那就...因為他有一定的程序比他準確。我了解啦,因為你曾經講一個月啦,其實現在已經超過一個月了。不過我們在一個月內已經把方案...我可以尊重正常的程序沒有錯啦,但預告完之後,奉核這一段你就要全力加速啦。也就是我們從今天開始算20天嘛,希望說下個月開始這次就可以正式來上路,可以嗎?是。\n\n13\n00:04:39,958 --> 00:04:55,594\n好這第一個齁那第二個是今天要談一下這個租屋市場透明的問題所以我剛剛講花次去開會是有點可惜但沒關係既然部長來了那就由部長來做回答齁這個部長你同不同意齁就是說我們的租屋市場應該逐步朝向市場透明化的方向來處理\n\n14\n00:04:56,554 --> 00:05:21,232\n我想我們一直都朝這個租屋市場一直都朝這個方向來處理對不對因為這個方向才有辦法改善這個租屋黑市的問題因為租屋黑市對房客是不利的其實目前因為我們全國的租屋數大概是這個90萬左右那我們現在手上已經掌握的相關的一個資料其實已經超過了一半了已經超過一半那這一半都是這個透明可揭露的資訊\n\n15\n00:05:22,652 --> 00:05:42,564\n現在我們還沒有像房屋實價登錄一樣變成全國性大家都已經習慣有這樣子的一個機制那當然嘛這個從無到有的過程中你總有先找出破口然後逐步來處理所以本期就建議你在處理這個租屋市場透明的時候你要一次要求所有的房東立刻就範恐怕現實上會有困難這本期願意理解但是要有破口嘛\n\n16\n00:05:42,884 --> 00:05:47,008\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n17\n00:06:00,302 --> 00:06:01,103\n三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、\n\n18\n00:06:30,622 --> 00:06:36,728\n是不是應該做一些調整跟修正?是,這個我們正在研議修正當中我們這個在上個月已經有召開過相關的一個會議了\n\n19\n00:06:40,990 --> 00:07:08,400\n其實這些願意加入包租代管的人其實就已經等於是配合政府政策了嘛其實大家講說你租屋要納管最困難的就是房東願不願意納稅這件事情那你加入了當然就有納稅也就是說他其實最難的這一關都已經過了他都配合你的政策了對不對那你做資訊的揭露去做租屋市場透明的平台就其實是相對於要求他們繳稅更簡單的事情嘛那其實就不要為德不足嘛也沒有什麼好道理說我只做包租沒有做代管\n\n20\n00:07:08,900 --> 00:07:17,144\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n21\n00:07:30,049 --> 00:07:50,142\n我是希望這個東西一樣加入其實當初其實我甚至都認為是可以一步到位那沒辦法那時候還沒有當選立法委員沒機會討論這件事了對不對那就希望現在趕快做啦不只是包租代管未來你要把租屋補貼納入那當你的案量其實有一定的時候我們應該要比照房屋購買買賣實價登錄的方式你要開始有網路上可以揭露人民有易達性可以做查詢的這樣一個機制嘛\n\n22\n00:07:51,303 --> 00:08:19,342\n你不是說我對我政府有資訊然後我放在一個這個深灰塵的角落然後大家也查不到那有揭露跟沒揭露一樣既然這個配合政策的部分都要做有揭露義務那你就要從這個階段開始做出市場透明這樣你等於有破口慢慢慢慢這市場機制就回歸正常好不好走推動這個政策本席願意給予時間但我們希望每一個階段都要看到一定的進展希望副部長我們會穩健的來進行好不好希望看到具體的進度啦好謝謝辛苦了\n\n23\n00:08:22,072 --> 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其實當初其實我甚至都認為是可以一步到位那沒辦法那時候還沒有當選立法委員沒機會討論這件事了 對不對那就希望現在趕快做啦不只是包租代管 未來你要把租屋補貼納入那當你的案量其實有一定的時候我們應該要比照房屋購買買賣實價登錄的方式你要開始有網路上可以揭露人民有易達性可以做查詢的這樣一個機制嘛\n471303\t499342\t你不是說我對我政府有資訊然後我放在一個這個深灰塵的角落然後大家也查不到那有揭露跟沒揭露一樣既然這個配合政策的部分都要做有揭露義務那你就要從這個階段開始做出市場透明這樣你等於有破口慢慢慢慢這市場機制就回歸正常好不好走推動這個政策本席願意給予時間但我們希望每一個階段都要看到一定的進展希望副部長我們會穩健的來進行好不好希望看到具體的進度啦好謝謝辛苦了\n502072\t508321\t審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n","txt":"審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n今天因為有審查預算凍結案\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n大家擔心說這個電價上漲之後會不會有轉嫁的行為所以說這個問題其實也是老生常談也就是說很多人都要去談說在這個租屋主跟房東的不對等的關係之下這個電費收取的這個問題那麼3月18號的時候這曾經部長也在這個內政委員會來做答詢的時候其實也有說一個月要解決這個問題那今天是4月23號所以是不是請部長來報告一下現在這個問題解決了沒有\n我們在3月27號已經邀集相關機關團體召開第三次座談會,並且把相關規劃進行的一個方案來做一個討論跟確定。目前已經在進行預告,大概預告的時間是20天,預告完成之後報行政院來做核定。\n因為你這個報告裡面有寫嘛就是說理論上來講要處理解凍案你就要提書面報告那書面報告其實時間已經過一個月了那你們現在程序你講說合訂你這個住宅租賃定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項寫完了沒有?是我們已經修完了我們已經修完了那現在正在進行預告它需要一個預告的程序好那你簡單在這個地方報告一下就是說它修訂的方向是什麼?\n如何能夠確保租屋族的電費不會被人家超收的問題?簡單報告我想這個部分大概分成兩點第一個是租屋電費的計收標準約定以用電度數計費者每度電價應不得超過該租賃標的電費單當期每度平均電價\n公共設施電費未分攤並入註定標的電費內者,不得額外收取。非約定以用電度數計費者、出租人所收取之每期電費總金額,不得超過該註定標的電費單之每期電費總額。\n那另外就是租屋電費資訊的一個提供,增訂房東應提供或授權房客查詢租賃期間租屋電費資訊的義務規定。在過去的一個機制之下,這個租客要查詢的時候,台電往往是講說這個因為屋主是這個\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n我們這邊只要程序完成之後當然就會依這個相關新的規定來進行所以你現在講在公告期間內所以具體的一個上路的時間是幾月幾啊公告就是20天然後我們會報行政院核定核定完之後就可以公告完之後核定中還會有行政流程嗎我們現在在預告預告完之後報行政院核定你現在預告期間結束是幾月幾啊行政院可能有一個審議的一個程序不是啦預告結束是幾月幾啊\n二十天,那你哪一天開始預告啊?你今天開始?今天開始預告。喔,今天才開始預告?嗯。好吧,那就...因為他有一定的程序比他準確。我了解啦,因為你曾經講一個月啦,其實現在已經超過一個月了。不過我們在一個月內已經把方案...我可以尊重正常的程序沒有錯啦,但預告完之後,奉核這一段你就要全力加速啦。也就是我們從今天開始算20天嘛,希望說下個月開始這次就可以正式來上路,可以嗎?是。\n好這第一個齁那第二個是今天要談一下這個租屋市場透明的問題所以我剛剛講花次去開會是有點可惜但沒關係既然部長來了那就由部長來做回答齁這個部長你同不同意齁就是說我們的租屋市場應該逐步朝向市場透明化的方向來處理\n我想我們一直都朝這個租屋市場一直都朝這個方向來處理對不對因為這個方向才有辦法改善這個租屋黑市的問題因為租屋黑市對房客是不利的其實目前因為我們全國的租屋數大概是這個90萬左右那我們現在手上已經掌握的相關的一個資料其實已經超過了一半了已經超過一半那這一半都是這個透明可揭露的資訊\n現在我們還沒有像房屋實價登錄一樣變成全國性大家都已經習慣有這樣子的一個機制那當然嘛這個從無到有的過程中你總有先找出破口然後逐步來處理所以本期就建議你在處理這個租屋市場透明的時候你要一次要求所有的房東立刻就範恐怕現實上會有困難這本期願意理解但是要有破口嘛\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、\n是不是應該做一些調整跟修正?是,這個我們正在研議修正當中我們這個在上個月已經有召開過相關的一個會議了\n其實這些願意加入包租代管的人其實就已經等於是配合政府政策了嘛其實大家講說你租屋要納管最困難的就是房東願不願意納稅這件事情那你加入了當然就有納稅也就是說他其實最難的這一關都已經過了他都配合你的政策了對不對那你做資訊的揭露去做租屋市場透明的平台就其實是相對於要求他們繳稅更簡單的事情嘛那其實就不要為德不足嘛也沒有什麼好道理說我只做包租沒有做代管\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n我是希望這個東西一樣加入 其實當初其實我甚至都認為是可以一步到位那沒辦法那時候還沒有當選立法委員沒機會討論這件事了 對不對那就希望現在趕快做啦不只是包租代管 未來你要把租屋補貼納入那當你的案量其實有一定的時候我們應該要比照房屋購買買賣實價登錄的方式你要開始有網路上可以揭露人民有易達性可以做查詢的這樣一個機制嘛\n你不是說我對我政府有資訊然後我放在一個這個深灰塵的角落然後大家也查不到那有揭露跟沒揭露一樣既然這個配合政策的部分都要做有揭露義務那你就要從這個階段開始做出市場透明這樣你等於有破口慢慢慢慢這市場機制就回歸正常好不好走推動這個政策本席願意給予時間但我們希望每一個階段都要看到一定的進展希望副部長我們會穩健的來進行好不好希望看到具體的進度啦好謝謝辛苦了\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.057 --> 00:14.724\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n00:22.543 --> 00:23.704\n今天因為有審查預算凍結案\n\n00:45.643 --> 00:52.027\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n01:13.502 --> 01:39.791\n大家擔心說這個電價上漲之後會不會有轉嫁的行為所以說這個問題其實也是老生常談也就是說很多人都要去談說在這個租屋主跟房東的不對等的關係之下這個電費收取的這個問題那麼3月18號的時候這曾經部長也在這個內政委員會來做答詢的時候其實也有說一個月要解決這個問題那今天是4月23號所以是不是請部長來報告一下現在這個問題解決了沒有\n\n01:43.483 --> 02:04.632\n我們在3月27號已經邀集相關機關團體召開第三次座談會,並且把相關規劃進行的一個方案來做一個討論跟確定。目前已經在進行預告,大概預告的時間是20天,預告完成之後報行政院來做核定。\n\n02:04.952 --> 02:30.340\n因為你這個報告裡面有寫嘛就是說理論上來講要處理解凍案你就要提書面報告那書面報告其實時間已經過一個月了那你們現在程序你講說合訂你這個住宅租賃定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項寫完了沒有?是我們已經修完了我們已經修完了那現在正在進行預告它需要一個預告的程序好那你簡單在這個地方報告一下就是說它修訂的方向是什麼?\n\n02:30.580 --> 02:47.244\n如何能夠確保租屋族的電費不會被人家超收的問題?簡單報告我想這個部分大概分成兩點第一個是租屋電費的計收標準約定以用電度數計費者每度電價應不得超過該租賃標的電費單當期每度平均電價\n\n02:54.186 --> 03:08.958\n公共設施電費未分攤並入註定標的電費內者,不得額外收取。非約定以用電度數計費者、出租人所收取之每期電費總金額,不得超過該註定標的電費單之每期電費總額。\n\n03:14.682 --> 03:29.510\n那另外就是租屋電費資訊的一個提供,增訂房東應提供或授權房客查詢租賃期間租屋電費資訊的義務規定。在過去的一個機制之下,這個租客要查詢的時候,台電往往是講說這個因為屋主是這個\n\n03:30.771 --> 03:33.972\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n03:47.276 --> 04:15.109\n我們這邊只要程序完成之後當然就會依這個相關新的規定來進行所以你現在講在公告期間內所以具體的一個上路的時間是幾月幾啊公告就是20天然後我們會報行政院核定核定完之後就可以公告完之後核定中還會有行政流程嗎我們現在在預告預告完之後報行政院核定你現在預告期間結束是幾月幾啊行政院可能有一個審議的一個程序不是啦預告結束是幾月幾啊\n\n04:16.570 --> 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