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00:02:21,300\n停電跳電嗎?你們說他們是酸年酸雨?我們是希望大家能夠體諒這樣台電的因為緊急把這個電修復的這個辛苦,不要說成是缺電。來,寶弟我們來看你的台電的中經理感性的這個發言。我看,我不知道你有否被感動到。他裡面引述了一個這幾天一直在瘋傳的一個投訴,他說這幾年停電的次數是減半的,可是報導多了一倍。\n\n7\n00:02:22,332 --> 00:02:41,741\n可是很多民眾跟我反映啊甚至打電話進來抗議這個投書跟內容因為我們感受就是前幾年一直在大庭店啊停的時間更長次數是不是更多的啊所以本期就上了臺電的官網去看我怕誤會人喔我想說會不會是我們問政問出問題來了看一下本來這個數據沒有錯啊若從前面四年102到105對照蔡英文當選之後的這幾年從這個趨勢看起來好像有進步喔\n\n8\n00:02:53,559 --> 00:03:18,858\n這個就是這個投書的基礎,包括我不要去查兩名經濟部自己台電都發了說你們確實是有進步可是呢,看一下真正的真相,我問你一下你看下一張這個真相我電話,我問你一下剛剛看的那張圖,現在我把它用紅框把它框下來你現在比較的只有像106年你用停電的時間16.89分鐘去跟前面比\n\n9\n00:03:21,347 --> 00:03:39,655\n三十二分鍾點五七,這到底什麼事?這東西為什麼要單獨出來?為什麼那個東西沒有算進去呢?我重複一次你用停電十六點八九分鐘去跟前面算那你又註明一個三十二點五七你怎麼沒有算進去呢?這是什麼粉飾太平嗎?認知作戰嗎?欺騙民眾嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:49,970 --> 00:04:09,110\n不是不是這個這個數字的部分就是像106年的部分那下面那個指的是815的那一個那一次的這個事件815大停電嘛對不對這個指的是這個這個下面這個下面我也看到了你為什麼沒有把它算進去\n\n11\n00:04:10,662 --> 00:04:35,016\n為何移花接木把他移走啦不是移花接木啦這個我們也都有做這樣的說明嘛所以委員看到了這裡我們也都有做加注的說明否定您把他移到下面寫了三個說明嘛那一般的民眾清楚因為這個事情太重要了你們現在一直把三把這個我紅色框框的東西把它移走了然後你們從基準點不對的狀況之下\n\n12\n00:04:36,357 --> 00:04:59,686\n本市太平一直講說你們是停電的時間是往下降的我現在很清楚跟你講用106年為基準來看那時候815的大停電對不對那時候那一年每戶的停電時間是多少32.57是不是這樣那你為什麼把它移走呢好那我們看110年發生了兩次大停電513大停電跟517大停電對不對\n\n13\n00:05:02,657 --> 00:05:26,162\n他停電的時間多少?四十三分點五十一秒。您把時間內沒有算進去啊!到了一百一十年之後更離譜了啊!三零三大停電欸!停九十一分鐘欸!一點鐘又一點鐘半欸!你們竟然會把這三個東西都移,三個大停電時間都移出去!我要問你,這不只是粉飾太平。讓我看一下,我問一個最簡單的。\n\n14\n00:05:27,262 --> 00:05:35,404\n大停電就不算停電是不是?您的標準是這樣嗎?跟委員報告我們既然這樣寫就是有特別說明這兩個不同但是這不叫粉絲派我們也如實呈現了那這個我們也是參考其他國家的這種做法也就是說這種像815這種中有的這個嚴重的事故造成這個氣勁不來等等那這個的時間確實是很久沒有錯\n\n15\n00:05:56,510 --> 00:05:58,252\n大庭店時間把他移除到外面去。」\n\n16\n00:06:10,325 --> 00:06:30,103\n三、一百零六年、一百一十年及一百一十一年有四次的這個大停電時間都是很長的你把它移走了移走了完之後你拿了一個不對的一個基準點然後你說你們這幾年停電的時間都是往下掉的那你把它實際的狀況把它加上去明明就是增加嘛因為這一個電力的維護電網跟設備的維護部長我們讓民眾知道第一個把它移走這個到底對不對\n\n17\n00:06:36,806 --> 00:06:37,127\n二、審查：一、處理或審查\n\n18\n00:06:49,321 --> 00:07:15,258\n甚至不要變成是只有您的總經理要請辭的時候他講說他覺得感慨我都不知道他為什麼要感慨啊他因為那個瘋傳的那個基準點是不錯的是不對的他明明知道這東西是不對的因為我們是告訴大家說原來從每年的兩萬多次到去年的六千多次台電確實非常努力來解決這些各地的電網的這些事故等等的部分\n\n19\n00:07:15,858 --> 00:07:16,439\n負責負責負責負責負責\n\n20\n00:07:40,438 --> 00:08:04,580\n你如果把它全部加上去之後蔡英文任內的跳電的次數你把大庭店真實的狀況把它加進去是前面四年的2.2倍時間呢更長啦是幾倍是102到105年的2.6倍所以你們給的東西是基本上不要講說是你蓋牌你說不講說兩種問題是第二種才是一個真實的東西啊\n\n21\n00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,462\n我們的這個相關的跳電的次數並不是原來的2.2倍。」\n\n22\n00:08:17,305 --> 00:08:20,247\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案等21案\n\n23\n00:08:44,138 --> 00:08:46,519\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n24\n00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:12,620\n凍結案凍結案凍結案凍結案凍結案凍結案\n\n25\n00:09:32,449 --> 00:09:33,730\n三十一條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n26\n00:09:49,042 --> 00:10:04,829\n把這四次的大停電把他加回去給民眾看好不好這是一個真實面的呈現讓民眾可以瞭解說真實的狀況是什麼第二個台電不要去誤導民眾讓民眾覺得說你好像蓋牌把真相蓋住了你要去面對問題才能夠解決問題好不好\n\n27\n00:10:06,513 --> 00:10:11,459\n凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n103\t23389\t期凱委員發言。」來請阿寶店。來請王部長。\n33528\t48723\t您們感受到現在民怨蠻深的4月1號漲完電價之後最近又有一些停電民眾現在是受苦又受氣可是我先提醒一個點我怎麼會看到經濟部的臉書上面跟我們的民眾對幹呢?\n51078\t75443\t實際我們連民眾連滑手機打個鍵盤使用3C產品都不行被酸說什麼是酸年酸年啊跟民眾對幹嗎我們打個電腦滑個手機都不行嗎我想主要是希望大家能夠瞭解跟體諒台電齁在地震過後造成的這些損傷來修復其實台電是現在民眾是在控理的你有發現這個這個跳電或者停電跟民眾打這個\n79184\t80625\t划手機用剩餘的電力有什麼關係?」\n95151\t105634\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案件事宜及其基層的努力,我們是肯定的,沒有人罵台電的基層。現在是你們的臉書,是小編嗎?還是你們經濟部的態度?為什麼要跟民眾對幹?滑個手機都要被你們雙贏雙贏。現在最重要的部長,一般的民眾打打手機,滑滑手機,打鍵盤,會造成\n114016\t141300\t停電跳電嗎?你們說他們是酸年酸雨?我們是希望大家能夠體諒這樣台電的因為緊急把這個電修復的這個辛苦,不要說成是缺電。來,寶弟我們來看你的台電的中經理感性的這個發言。我看,我不知道你有否被感動到。他裡面引述了一個這幾天一直在瘋傳的一個投訴,他說這幾年停電的次數是減半的,可是報導多了一倍。\n142332\t161741\t可是很多民眾跟我反映啊甚至打電話進來抗議這個投書跟內容因為我們感受就是前幾年一直在大庭店啊停的時間更長次數是不是更多的啊所以本期就上了臺電的官網去看我怕誤會人喔我想說會不會是我們問政問出問題來了看一下本來這個數據沒有錯啊若從前面四年102到105對照蔡英文當選之後的這幾年從這個趨勢看起來好像有進步喔\n173559\t198858\t這個就是這個投書的基礎,包括我不要去查兩名經濟部自己台電都發了說你們確實是有進步可是呢,看一下真正的真相,我問你一下你看下一張這個真相我電話,我問你一下剛剛看的那張圖,現在我把它用紅框把它框下來你現在比較的只有像106年你用停電的時間16.89分鐘去跟前面比\n201347\t219655\t三十二分鍾點五七,這到底什麼事?這東西為什麼要單獨出來?為什麼那個東西沒有算進去呢?我重複一次你用停電十六點八九分鐘去跟前面算那你又註明一個三十二點五七你怎麼沒有算進去呢?這是什麼粉飾太平嗎?認知作戰嗎?欺騙民眾嗎?\n229970\t249110\t不是不是這個這個數字的部分就是像106年的部分那下面那個指的是815的那一個那一次的這個事件815大停電嘛對不對這個指的是這個這個下面這個下面我也看到了你為什麼沒有把它算進去\n250662\t275016\t為何移花接木把他移走啦不是移花接木啦這個我們也都有做這樣的說明嘛所以委員看到了這裡我們也都有做加注的說明否定您把他移到下面寫了三個說明嘛那一般的民眾清楚因為這個事情太重要了你們現在一直把三把這個我紅色框框的東西把它移走了然後你們從基準點不對的狀況之下\n276357\t299686\t本市太平一直講說你們是停電的時間是往下降的我現在很清楚跟你講用106年為基準來看那時候815的大停電對不對那時候那一年每戶的停電時間是多少32.57是不是這樣那你為什麼把它移走呢好那我們看110年發生了兩次大停電513大停電跟517大停電對不對\n302657\t326162\t他停電的時間多少?四十三分點五十一秒。您把時間內沒有算進去啊!到了一百一十年之後更離譜了啊!三零三大停電欸!停九十一分鐘欸!一點鐘又一點鐘半欸!你們竟然會把這三個東西都移,三個大停電時間都移出去!我要問你,這不只是粉飾太平。讓我看一下,我問一個最簡單的。\n327262\t335404\t大停電就不算停電是不是?您的標準是這樣嗎?跟委員報告我們既然這樣寫就是有特別說明這兩個不同但是這不叫粉絲派我們也如實呈現了那這個我們也是參考其他國家的這種做法也就是說這種像815這種中有的這個嚴重的事故造成這個氣勁不來等等那這個的時間確實是很久沒有錯\n356510\t358252\t大庭店時間把他移除到外面去。」\n370325\t390103\t三、一百零六年、一百一十年及一百一十一年有四次的這個大停電時間都是很長的你把它移走了移走了完之後你拿了一個不對的一個基準點然後你說你們這幾年停電的時間都是往下掉的那你把它實際的狀況把它加上去明明就是增加嘛因為這一個電力的維護電網跟設備的維護部長我們讓民眾知道第一個把它移走這個到底對不對\n396806\t397127\t二、審查：一、處理或審查\n409321\t435258\t甚至不要變成是只有您的總經理要請辭的時候他講說他覺得感慨我都不知道他為什麼要感慨啊他因為那個瘋傳的那個基準點是不錯的是不對的他明明知道這東西是不對的因為我們是告訴大家說原來從每年的兩萬多次到去年的六千多次台電確實非常努力來解決這些各地的電網的這些事故等等的部分\n435858\t436439\t負責負責負責負責負責\n460438\t484580\t你如果把它全部加上去之後蔡英文任內的跳電的次數你把大庭店真實的狀況把它加進去是前面四年的2.2倍時間呢更長啦是幾倍是102到105年的2.6倍所以你們給的東西是基本上不要講說是你蓋牌你說不講說兩種問題是第二種才是一個真實的東西啊\n485560\t487462\t我們的這個相關的跳電的次數並不是原來的2.2倍。」\n497305\t500247\t二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案等21案\n524138\t526519\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案 。\n550799\t552620\t凍結案 凍結案 凍結案 凍結案 凍結案 凍結案\n572449\t573730\t三十一條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n589042\t604829\t把這四次的大停電把他加回去給民眾看好不好這是一個真實面的呈現讓民眾可以瞭解說真實的狀況是什麼第二個台電不要去誤導民眾讓民眾覺得說你好像蓋牌把真相蓋住了你要去面對問題才能夠解決問題好不好\n606513\t611459\t凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結\n","txt":"期凱委員發言。」來請阿寶店。來請王部長。\n您們感受到現在民怨蠻深的4月1號漲完電價之後最近又有一些停電民眾現在是受苦又受氣可是我先提醒一個點我怎麼會看到經濟部的臉書上面跟我們的民眾對幹呢?\n實際我們連民眾連滑手機打個鍵盤使用3C產品都不行被酸說什麼是酸年酸年啊跟民眾對幹嗎我們打個電腦滑個手機都不行嗎我想主要是希望大家能夠瞭解跟體諒台電齁在地震過後造成的這些損傷來修復其實台電是現在民眾是在控理的你有發現這個這個跳電或者停電跟民眾打這個\n划手機用剩餘的電力有什麼關係?」\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案件事宜及其基層的努力,我們是肯定的,沒有人罵台電的基層。現在是你們的臉書,是小編嗎?還是你們經濟部的態度?為什麼要跟民眾對幹?滑個手機都要被你們雙贏雙贏。現在最重要的部長,一般的民眾打打手機,滑滑手機,打鍵盤,會造成\n停電跳電嗎?你們說他們是酸年酸雨?我們是希望大家能夠體諒這樣台電的因為緊急把這個電修復的這個辛苦,不要說成是缺電。來,寶弟我們來看你的台電的中經理感性的這個發言。我看,我不知道你有否被感動到。他裡面引述了一個這幾天一直在瘋傳的一個投訴,他說這幾年停電的次數是減半的,可是報導多了一倍。\n可是很多民眾跟我反映啊甚至打電話進來抗議這個投書跟內容因為我們感受就是前幾年一直在大庭店啊停的時間更長次數是不是更多的啊所以本期就上了臺電的官網去看我怕誤會人喔我想說會不會是我們問政問出問題來了看一下本來這個數據沒有錯啊若從前面四年102到105對照蔡英文當選之後的這幾年從這個趨勢看起來好像有進步喔\n這個就是這個投書的基礎,包括我不要去查兩名經濟部自己台電都發了說你們確實是有進步可是呢,看一下真正的真相,我問你一下你看下一張這個真相我電話,我問你一下剛剛看的那張圖,現在我把它用紅框把它框下來你現在比較的只有像106年你用停電的時間16.89分鐘去跟前面比\n三十二分鍾點五七,這到底什麼事?這東西為什麼要單獨出來?為什麼那個東西沒有算進去呢?我重複一次你用停電十六點八九分鐘去跟前面算那你又註明一個三十二點五七你怎麼沒有算進去呢?這是什麼粉飾太平嗎?認知作戰嗎?欺騙民眾嗎?\n不是不是這個這個數字的部分就是像106年的部分那下面那個指的是815的那一個那一次的這個事件815大停電嘛對不對這個指的是這個這個下面這個下面我也看到了你為什麼沒有把它算進去\n為何移花接木把他移走啦不是移花接木啦這個我們也都有做這樣的說明嘛所以委員看到了這裡我們也都有做加注的說明否定您把他移到下面寫了三個說明嘛那一般的民眾清楚因為這個事情太重要了你們現在一直把三把這個我紅色框框的東西把它移走了然後你們從基準點不對的狀況之下\n本市太平一直講說你們是停電的時間是往下降的我現在很清楚跟你講用106年為基準來看那時候815的大停電對不對那時候那一年每戶的停電時間是多少32.57是不是這樣那你為什麼把它移走呢好那我們看110年發生了兩次大停電513大停電跟517大停電對不對\n他停電的時間多少?四十三分點五十一秒。您把時間內沒有算進去啊!到了一百一十年之後更離譜了啊!三零三大停電欸!停九十一分鐘欸!一點鐘又一點鐘半欸!你們竟然會把這三個東西都移,三個大停電時間都移出去!我要問你,這不只是粉飾太平。讓我看一下,我問一個最簡單的。\n大停電就不算停電是不是?您的標準是這樣嗎?跟委員報告我們既然這樣寫就是有特別說明這兩個不同但是這不叫粉絲派我們也如實呈現了那這個我們也是參考其他國家的這種做法也就是說這種像815這種中有的這個嚴重的事故造成這個氣勁不來等等那這個的時間確實是很久沒有錯\n大庭店時間把他移除到外面去。」\n三、一百零六年、一百一十年及一百一十一年有四次的這個大停電時間都是很長的你把它移走了移走了完之後你拿了一個不對的一個基準點然後你說你們這幾年停電的時間都是往下掉的那你把它實際的狀況把它加上去明明就是增加嘛因為這一個電力的維護電網跟設備的維護部長我們讓民眾知道第一個把它移走這個到底對不對\n二、審查：一、處理或審查\n甚至不要變成是只有您的總經理要請辭的時候他講說他覺得感慨我都不知道他為什麼要感慨啊他因為那個瘋傳的那個基準點是不錯的是不對的他明明知道這東西是不對的因為我們是告訴大家說原來從每年的兩萬多次到去年的六千多次台電確實非常努力來解決這些各地的電網的這些事故等等的部分\n負責負責負責負責負責\n你如果把它全部加上去之後蔡英文任內的跳電的次數你把大庭店真實的狀況把它加進去是前面四年的2.2倍時間呢更長啦是幾倍是102到105年的2.6倍所以你們給的東西是基本上不要講說是你蓋牌你說不講說兩種問題是第二種才是一個真實的東西啊\n我們的這個相關的跳電的次數並不是原來的2.2倍。」\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案等21案\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案 。\n凍結案 凍結案 凍結案 凍結案 凍結案 凍結案\n三十一條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n把這四次的大停電把他加回去給民眾看好不好這是一個真實面的呈現讓民眾可以瞭解說真實的狀況是什麼第二個台電不要去誤導民眾讓民眾覺得說你好像蓋牌把真相蓋住了你要去面對問題才能夠解決問題好不好\n凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.103 --> 00:23.389\n期凱委員發言。」來請阿寶店。來請王部長。\n\n00:33.528 --> 00:48.723\n您們感受到現在民怨蠻深的4月1號漲完電價之後最近又有一些停電民眾現在是受苦又受氣可是我先提醒一個點我怎麼會看到經濟部的臉書上面跟我們的民眾對幹呢?\n\n00:51.078 --> 01:15.443\n實際我們連民眾連滑手機打個鍵盤使用3C產品都不行被酸說什麼是酸年酸年啊跟民眾對幹嗎我們打個電腦滑個手機都不行嗎我想主要是希望大家能夠瞭解跟體諒台電齁在地震過後造成的這些損傷來修復其實台電是現在民眾是在控理的你有發現這個這個跳電或者停電跟民眾打這個\n\n01:19.184 --> 01:20.625\n划手機用剩餘的電力有什麼關係?」\n\n01:35.151 --> 01:45.634\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案件事宜及其基層的努力,我們是肯定的,沒有人罵台電的基層。現在是你們的臉書,是小編嗎?還是你們經濟部的態度?為什麼要跟民眾對幹?滑個手機都要被你們雙贏雙贏。現在最重要的部長,一般的民眾打打手機,滑滑手機,打鍵盤,會造成\n\n01:54.016 --> 02:21.300\n停電跳電嗎?你們說他們是酸年酸雨?我們是希望大家能夠體諒這樣台電的因為緊急把這個電修復的這個辛苦,不要說成是缺電。來,寶弟我們來看你的台電的中經理感性的這個發言。我看,我不知道你有否被感動到。他裡面引述了一個這幾天一直在瘋傳的一個投訴,他說這幾年停電的次數是減半的,可是報導多了一倍。\n\n02:22.332 --> 02:41.741\n可是很多民眾跟我反映啊甚至打電話進來抗議這個投書跟內容因為我們感受就是前幾年一直在大庭店啊停的時間更長次數是不是更多的啊所以本期就上了臺電的官網去看我怕誤會人喔我想說會不會是我們問政問出問題來了看一下本來這個數據沒有錯啊若從前面四年102到105對照蔡英文當選之後的這幾年從這個趨勢看起來好像有進步喔\n\n02:53.559 --> 03:18.858\n這個就是這個投書的基礎,包括我不要去查兩名經濟部自己台電都發了說你們確實是有進步可是呢,看一下真正的真相,我問你一下你看下一張這個真相我電話,我問你一下剛剛看的那張圖,現在我把它用紅框把它框下來你現在比較的只有像106年你用停電的時間16.89分鐘去跟前面比\n\n03:21.347 --> 03:39.655\n三十二分鍾點五七,這到底什麼事?這東西為什麼要單獨出來?為什麼那個東西沒有算進去呢?我重複一次你用停電十六點八九分鐘去跟前面算那你又註明一個三十二點五七你怎麼沒有算進去呢?這是什麼粉飾太平嗎?認知作戰嗎?欺騙民眾嗎?\n\n03:49.970 --> 04:09.110\n不是不是這個這個數字的部分就是像106年的部分那下面那個指的是815的那一個那一次的這個事件815大停電嘛對不對這個指的是這個這個下面這個下面我也看到了你為什麼沒有把它算進去\n\n04:10.662 --> 04:35.016\n為何移花接木把他移走啦不是移花接木啦這個我們也都有做這樣的說明嘛所以委員看到了這裡我們也都有做加注的說明否定您把他移到下面寫了三個說明嘛那一般的民眾清楚因為這個事情太重要了你們現在一直把三把這個我紅色框框的東西把它移走了然後你們從基準點不對的狀況之下\n\n04:36.357 --> 04:59.686\n本市太平一直講說你們是停電的時間是往下降的我現在很清楚跟你講用106年為基準來看那時候815的大停電對不對那時候那一年每戶的停電時間是多少32.57是不是這樣那你為什麼把它移走呢好那我們看110年發生了兩次大停電513大停電跟517大停電對不對\n\n05:02.657 --> 05:26.162\n他停電的時間多少?四十三分點五十一秒。您把時間內沒有算進去啊!到了一百一十年之後更離譜了啊!三零三大停電欸!停九十一分鐘欸!一點鐘又一點鐘半欸!你們竟然會把這三個東西都移,三個大停電時間都移出去!我要問你,這不只是粉飾太平。讓我看一下,我問一個最簡單的。\n\n05:27.262 --> 05:35.404\n大停電就不算停電是不是?您的標準是這樣嗎?跟委員報告我們既然這樣寫就是有特別說明這兩個不同但是這不叫粉絲派我們也如實呈現了那這個我們也是參考其他國家的這種做法也就是說這種像815這種中有的這個嚴重的事故造成這個氣勁不來等等那這個的時間確實是很久沒有錯\n\n05:56.510 --> 05:58.252\n大庭店時間把他移除到外面去。」\n\n06:10.325 --> 06:30.103\n三、一百零六年、一百一十年及一百一十一年有四次的這個大停電時間都是很長的你把它移走了移走了完之後你拿了一個不對的一個基準點然後你說你們這幾年停電的時間都是往下掉的那你把它實際的狀況把它加上去明明就是增加嘛因為這一個電力的維護電網跟設備的維護部長我們讓民眾知道第一個把它移走這個到底對不對\n\n06:36.806 --> 06:37.127\n二、審查：一、處理或審查\n\n06:49.321 --> 07:15.258\n甚至不要變成是只有您的總經理要請辭的時候他講說他覺得感慨我都不知道他為什麼要感慨啊他因為那個瘋傳的那個基準點是不錯的是不對的他明明知道這東西是不對的因為我們是告訴大家說原來從每年的兩萬多次到去年的六千多次台電確實非常努力來解決這些各地的電網的這些事故等等的部分\n\n07:15.858 --> 07:16.439\n負責負責負責負責負責\n\n07:40.438 --> 08:04.580\n你如果把它全部加上去之後蔡英文任內的跳電的次數你把大庭店真實的狀況把它加進去是前面四年的2.2倍時間呢更長啦是幾倍是102到105年的2.6倍所以你們給的東西是基本上不要講說是你蓋牌你說不講說兩種問題是第二種才是一個真實的東西啊\n\n08:05.560 --> 08:07.462\n我們的這個相關的跳電的次數並不是原來的2.2倍。」\n\n08:17.305 --> 08:20.247\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案等21案\n\n08:44.138 --> 08:46.519\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n09:10.799 --> 09:12.620\n凍結案凍結案凍結案凍結案凍結案凍結案\n\n09:32.449 --> 09:33.730\n三十一條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n09:49.042 --> 10:04.829\n把這四次的大停電把他加回去給民眾看好不好這是一個真實面的呈現讓民眾可以瞭解說真實的狀況是什麼第二個台電不要去誤導民眾讓民眾覺得說你好像蓋牌把真相蓋住了你要去面對問題才能夠解決問題好不好\n\n10:06.513 --> 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