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00:02:24,853\n主委您以您的專業來看其實我們國內跟各國一樣對於再生能源的發展能源轉型我們都一直都非常在努力就是希望來抵消這些碳排因為我們有一個目標是2050年進行排放那如果說我們以這樣子剛剛講的再生能源的發展來能源轉型的部分還有說一些比較難以抵消的部分我們還用復炭技術以及這個自然碳匯的方式來抵那麼\n\n8\n00:02:25,534 --> 00:02:29,946\n不用核能,主管您覺得2050年的淨零排放真的是無法達成嗎?\n\n9\n00:02:32,071 --> 00:02:54,945\n這個部分也要看新科技未來發展的速度比如說氫能比如說地熱那這樣說主委您來看如果說以我們現在以再生能源發展的這樣的技術一直在精進那是不是有這樣的機會在2050年進行台放達成這個目標裡面我們是排除核能的\n\n10\n00:02:57,268 --> 00:03:12,014\n我想也不能完全排除按照目前的技術未來總是有很多的可能所以您覺得這也是樂觀的吧\n\n11\n00:03:13,979 --> 00:03:29,546\n是有這個可能其實為什麼提到這個部分呢因為其實這段時間的地震讓我們台灣的民眾都心理壓力非常的大常常睡覺都睡不安穩那以我們台灣整個地層的結構其實發展可能需要非常非常的謹慎我想主委您同意非常同意\n\n12\n00:03:32,199 --> 00:03:39,001\n那我們今天的主題今天是關於我們含氚廢水的排放那過去我們都會聚焦在福島核電廠這個含氚廢水的排放但是日本的媒體近日有解出中國2023年版的《核能年鑒》有揭露2022年中國核電廠排放的水裡面含輻射物質穿的數量跟福島電廠排放的含氚廢水上限來比那超標是高達9倍\n\n13\n00:04:02,009 --> 00:04:04,410\n甚至說中國浙江的泰山核電廠2022年排出的含氚量是202兆貝克相對於福島核電廠來講高了9.1倍。這個排放水含氚的量以核安會的專業來看對周邊的國家跟海域是安全的嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:23,674 --> 00:04:42,069\n目前檢測因為目前我們有一些海測點107點目前大概都是安全的那麼剛才委員提到的問題我想我們後續會再來研議一下就是說看看有沒有辦法再更進一步的有一些\n\n15\n00:04:42,529 --> 00:04:47,451\n主委其實以核電廠的運轉其實排放水裡面都會有這樣的物質但是我們經過層層的過濾呢這樣輻射物質降到最低才排放出來但因為氚這個物質本來它比較不好排除所以它會變成是一個指標檢驗排放水裡面的氚來看這樣子的這樣的水排放出來是不是對周邊的海域周邊的物質會有一些危害那如果說\n\n16\n00:05:07,739 --> 00:05:12,742\n的核電廠的排放水裡面這些含氚的這個量是必然的那以我國周邊的國家的核電廠來排放情況包括含輻射量的質量、整體排放量是不是核安會我們對這個部分的訊息的揭露給民眾相關的情況一定要讓民眾有正確的認知所以說我們在我們的核安會的監測的入口網的資訊是不是應該調整而不是說只以日本的排放\n\n17\n00:05:38,580 --> 00:05:42,804\n這個為主是不是應該要揭露周邊國家排放的這個狀況而且要及時的做這個示警來降低民眾的疑慮以及恐慌不是只有針對日本的排放主委您覺得呢我完全同意所以這個希望可以做調整\n\n18\n00:05:56,518 --> 00:06:19,190\n對來做調整讓民眾去了解說有這樣的訊息而且我們要做正確的這樣的訊息的布達讓他們了解說不用過度的焦慮那在4月20的報導裡面有指出福島核廢水的儲罐出現腐蝕那即使說東電他說是沒問題的那我們核安衛有沒有針對這個腐蝕的狀況來做進一步的了解\n\n19\n00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:34,849\n是的,我們有在注意到這個新聞那麼後續有在看這個東電這個公司相關的網頁那麼也會持續的來關注後續他的情況那特別是安全的問題\n\n20\n00:06:35,709 --> 00:06:40,390\n因為我們不是IAEA的成員所以說我們很多的訊息可能對我們國際上一些原子能的狀況沒有辦法馬上有第一手的消息但是我們沒有辦法有第一手的消息之後我們如果知道有這樣的就是說我們輾轉的不是輾轉可能第二手知道這樣的訊息之後我們也必須要趕快去了解事實的整個的實際的情況是如何我們才能夠來決定如何因應\n\n21\n00:07:03,275 --> 00:07:16,566\n我強調這個部分是說其實我們一般的民眾就是這樣比較高度的一些專業的一些訊息他們不了解那不了解就會覺得恐慌就會焦慮所以核安會這邊應該針對說我們新聞還有一些比較時效性的這樣的訊息我們要加快我們回應的速度來減低民眾的疑慮跟他們的焦慮那再下來我這邊要請教主委\n\n22\n00:07:28,254 --> 00:07:39,422\n針對烏克蘭的扎婆羅勒核電廠附近近期遭受無人機攻擊國際能源總署也已經示警甚至表示這是一條極度危險戰線的開端過去本席也詢問過很多次就是我國周邊的核電廠\n\n23\n00:07:48,188 --> 00:08:07,463\n如果說有發生事故而有輻射外溢的這個狀況呢這樣對我國跟周邊的國家都是災難喔那所以今天這個俄烏戰爭的這個事故如果真的有輻射這個核電廠的這個遭受攻擊而有輻射外洩的這樣狀況發生的話\n\n24\n00:08:09,585 --> 00:08:09,885\n公務預算解凍案\n\n25\n00:08:29,215 --> 00:08:41,702\n我們今年會做核安30號演習剛才委員提到的烏俄戰爭最大的影響即時的應該是歐洲大陸葛羅希他的訪問其實我看了相關的影片\n\n26\n00:08:50,407 --> 00:09:02,744\n那麼其實是全世界很關切因為這個不僅是俄羅斯跟烏克蘭的問題其實也是整個歐洲甚至全世界的問題這是影響整個國際的對對對\n\n27\n00:09:06,268 --> 00:09:32,078\n總是有風險本席在這邊提出這樣子的要求就是希望你們能做因應做規劃是說萬一有這樣的情勢發生那我們國家的距離雖然是有一點距離但是民眾還是會恐慌會焦慮那我們應該適時的做出怎樣的教育宣導讓我們民眾可以安心或是讓我們民眾去了解說發生這樣的事情我們如何自保或是如何因應這個部分也希望說你們有這樣的訊息來傳遞給民眾\n\n28\n00:09:35,739 --> 00:09:51,947\n我們會裡面的網頁是有完全這樣的訊息但是我在這裡很快的跟委員報告就是第一時間一般來講是沒有需要緊急的避難不需要你只要在房子裡面就好了那麼我們國家會針對環境的輻射\n\n29\n00:09:55,646 --> 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來做調整讓民眾去了解說有這樣的訊息而且我們要做正確的這樣的訊息的布達讓他們了解說不用過度的焦慮那在4月20的報導裡面有指出福島核廢水的儲罐出現腐蝕那即使說東電他說是沒問題的那我們核安衛有沒有針對這個腐蝕的狀況來做進一步的了解\n380320\t394849\t是的,我們有在注意到這個新聞那麼後續有在看這個東電這個公司相關的網頁那麼也會持續的來關注後續他的情況那特別是安全的問題\n395709\t400390\t因為我們不是IAEA的成員所以說我們很多的訊息可能對我們國際上一些原子能的狀況沒有辦法馬上有第一手的消息但是我們沒有辦法有第一手的消息之後我們如果知道有這樣的就是說我們輾轉的不是輾轉可能第二手知道這樣的訊息之後我們也必須要趕快去了解事實的整個的實際的情況是如何我們才能夠來決定如何因應\n423275\t436566\t我強調這個部分是說其實我們一般的民眾就是這樣比較高度的一些專業的一些訊息他們不了解那不了解就會覺得恐慌就會焦慮所以核安會這邊應該針對說我們新聞還有一些比較時效性的這樣的訊息我們要加快我們回應的速度來減低民眾的疑慮跟他們的焦慮那再下來我這邊要請教主委\n448254\t459422\t針對烏克蘭的扎婆羅勒核電廠附近近期遭受無人機攻擊國際能源總署也已經示警甚至表示這是一條極度危險戰線的開端過去本席也詢問過很多次就是我國周邊的核電廠\n468188\t487463\t如果說有發生事故而有輻射外溢的這個狀況呢這樣對我國跟周邊的國家都是災難喔那所以今天這個俄烏戰爭的這個事故如果真的有輻射這個核電廠的這個遭受攻擊而有輻射外洩的這樣狀況發生的話\n489585\t489885\t公務預算解凍案\n509215\t521702\t我們今年會做核安30號演習剛才委員提到的烏俄戰爭最大的影響即時的應該是歐洲大陸葛羅希他的訪問其實我看了相關的影片\n530407\t542744\t那麼其實是全世界很關切因為這個不僅是俄羅斯跟烏克蘭的問題其實也是整個歐洲甚至全世界的問題這是影響整個國際的對對對\n546268\t572078\t總是有風險本席在這邊提出這樣子的要求就是希望你們能做因應做規劃是說萬一有這樣的情勢發生那我們國家的距離雖然是有一點距離但是民眾還是會恐慌會焦慮那我們應該適時的做出怎樣的教育宣導讓我們民眾可以安心或是讓我們民眾去了解說發生這樣的事情我們如何自保或是如何因應這個部分也希望說你們有這樣的訊息來傳遞給民眾\n575739\t591947\t我們會裡面的網頁是有完全這樣的訊息但是我在這裡很快的跟委員報告就是第一時間一般來講是沒有需要緊急的避難不需要你只要在房子裡面就好了那麼我們國家會針對環境的輻射\n595646\t614962\t我們針對食用水、針對食品去做一些檢測那暫時無需恐慌對,這個就是需要給民眾的一些教育跟宣導那最後本席這邊要強調核能安全是我們最高的原則希望核安會這邊你們可以善盡你們職責堅守你們職責來守護台灣、守護我們的國民謝謝,謝謝主委謝謝陳主委\n","txt":"有請主委陳委員好\n主委早安主委這邊請教您您在業務報告的時候曾經答覆說如果國內的核電廠要研議在安全專業上是不是可行呢要視個別的電廠的運轉情況而定那我相信主委跟本席一樣也認為說安全是最重要的這邊請教主委就算修法已經除役的核電廠可以再研議嗎\n如果修法要通過主委你認為說有哪些核電廠的機組有可能申請研議應該是核三那核二稍微再進一步難度是比較簡單是核三核二是相對的比較稍微難一點大概是這樣\n我們現行的法令規定核電廠在執照到期前多久如果要申請研議的話要提出五年五年喔那如果有黨團或委員想要提出修法這個五年的這個期限這個時間呢對我們現在已經在運轉的機組就是說將來他面臨到廚藝的問題那他現在提修法會是來得及的嗎\n來不及喔我們國內有企業指出就是主張說以黃金比例來配置能源的話核能可以是綠能的盟友而非敵人但是如果只以現在的核酸來研議的話主委您覺得說能夠做到所謂的黃金配置的黃金能源配置的比例嗎\n我們核三廠就是6%這所有的能源大概就是佔所有我們臺灣能源的6%左右那麼就是說它還是有一定的限度\n主委您以您的專業來看其實我們國內跟各國一樣對於再生能源的發展能源轉型我們都一直都非常在努力就是希望來抵消這些碳排因為我們有一個目標是2050年進行排放那如果說我們以這樣子剛剛講的再生能源的發展來能源轉型的部分還有說一些比較難以抵消的部分我們還用復炭技術以及這個自然碳匯的方式來抵那麼\n不用核能,主管您覺得2050年的淨零排放真的是無法達成嗎?\n這個部分也要看新科技未來發展的速度比如說氫能比如說地熱那這樣說主委您來看如果說以我們現在以再生能源發展的這樣的技術一直在精進那是不是有這樣的機會在2050年進行台放達成這個目標裡面我們是排除核能的\n我想也不能完全排除按照目前的技術未來總是有很多的可能所以您覺得這也是樂觀的吧\n是有這個可能其實為什麼提到這個部分呢因為其實這段時間的地震讓我們台灣的民眾都心理壓力非常的大常常睡覺都睡不安穩那以我們台灣整個地層的結構其實發展可能需要非常非常的謹慎我想主委您同意非常同意\n那我們今天的主題今天是關於我們含氚廢水的排放那過去我們都會聚焦在福島核電廠這個含氚廢水的排放但是日本的媒體近日有解出中國2023年版的《核能年鑒》有揭露2022年中國核電廠排放的水裡面含輻射物質穿的數量跟福島電廠排放的含氚廢水上限來比那超標是高達9倍\n甚至說中國浙江的泰山核電廠2022年排出的含氚量是202兆貝克相對於福島核電廠來講高了9.1倍。這個排放水含氚的量以核安會的專業來看對周邊的國家跟海域是安全的嗎?\n目前檢測因為目前我們有一些海測點107點目前大概都是安全的那麼剛才委員提到的問題我想我們後續會再來研議一下就是說看看有沒有辦法再更進一步的有一些\n主委其實以核電廠的運轉其實排放水裡面都會有這樣的物質但是我們經過層層的過濾呢這樣輻射物質降到最低才排放出來但因為氚這個物質本來它比較不好排除所以它會變成是一個指標檢驗排放水裡面的氚來看這樣子的這樣的水排放出來是不是對周邊的海域周邊的物質會有一些危害那如果說\n的核電廠的排放水裡面這些含氚的這個量是必然的那以我國周邊的國家的核電廠來排放情況包括含輻射量的質量、整體排放量是不是核安會我們對這個部分的訊息的揭露給民眾相關的情況一定要讓民眾有正確的認知所以說我們在我們的核安會的監測的入口網的資訊是不是應該調整而不是說只以日本的排放\n這個為主是不是應該要揭露周邊國家排放的這個狀況而且要及時的做這個示警來降低民眾的疑慮以及恐慌不是只有針對日本的排放主委您覺得呢我完全同意所以這個希望可以做調整\n對 來做調整讓民眾去了解說有這樣的訊息而且我們要做正確的這樣的訊息的布達讓他們了解說不用過度的焦慮那在4月20的報導裡面有指出福島核廢水的儲罐出現腐蝕那即使說東電他說是沒問題的那我們核安衛有沒有針對這個腐蝕的狀況來做進一步的了解\n是的,我們有在注意到這個新聞那麼後續有在看這個東電這個公司相關的網頁那麼也會持續的來關注後續他的情況那特別是安全的問題\n因為我們不是IAEA的成員所以說我們很多的訊息可能對我們國際上一些原子能的狀況沒有辦法馬上有第一手的消息但是我們沒有辦法有第一手的消息之後我們如果知道有這樣的就是說我們輾轉的不是輾轉可能第二手知道這樣的訊息之後我們也必須要趕快去了解事實的整個的實際的情況是如何我們才能夠來決定如何因應\n我強調這個部分是說其實我們一般的民眾就是這樣比較高度的一些專業的一些訊息他們不了解那不了解就會覺得恐慌就會焦慮所以核安會這邊應該針對說我們新聞還有一些比較時效性的這樣的訊息我們要加快我們回應的速度來減低民眾的疑慮跟他們的焦慮那再下來我這邊要請教主委\n針對烏克蘭的扎婆羅勒核電廠附近近期遭受無人機攻擊國際能源總署也已經示警甚至表示這是一條極度危險戰線的開端過去本席也詢問過很多次就是我國周邊的核電廠\n如果說有發生事故而有輻射外溢的這個狀況呢這樣對我國跟周邊的國家都是災難喔那所以今天這個俄烏戰爭的這個事故如果真的有輻射這個核電廠的這個遭受攻擊而有輻射外洩的這樣狀況發生的話\n公務預算解凍案\n我們今年會做核安30號演習剛才委員提到的烏俄戰爭最大的影響即時的應該是歐洲大陸葛羅希他的訪問其實我看了相關的影片\n那麼其實是全世界很關切因為這個不僅是俄羅斯跟烏克蘭的問題其實也是整個歐洲甚至全世界的問題這是影響整個國際的對對對\n總是有風險本席在這邊提出這樣子的要求就是希望你們能做因應做規劃是說萬一有這樣的情勢發生那我們國家的距離雖然是有一點距離但是民眾還是會恐慌會焦慮那我們應該適時的做出怎樣的教育宣導讓我們民眾可以安心或是讓我們民眾去了解說發生這樣的事情我們如何自保或是如何因應這個部分也希望說你們有這樣的訊息來傳遞給民眾\n我們會裡面的網頁是有完全這樣的訊息但是我在這裡很快的跟委員報告就是第一時間一般來講是沒有需要緊急的避難不需要你只要在房子裡面就好了那麼我們國家會針對環境的輻射\n我們針對食用水、針對食品去做一些檢測那暫時無需恐慌對,這個就是需要給民眾的一些教育跟宣導那最後本席這邊要強調核能安全是我們最高的原則希望核安會這邊你們可以善盡你們職責堅守你們職責來守護台灣、守護我們的國民謝謝,謝謝主委謝謝陳主委\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.080 --> 00:06.528\n有請主委陳委員好\n\n00:14.369 --> 00:37.514\n主委早安主委這邊請教您您在業務報告的時候曾經答覆說如果國內的核電廠要研議在安全專業上是不是可行呢要視個別的電廠的運轉情況而定那我相信主委跟本席一樣也認為說安全是最重要的這邊請教主委就算修法已經除役的核電廠可以再研議嗎\n\n00:40.911 --> 00:59.520\n如果修法要通過主委你認為說有哪些核電廠的機組有可能申請研議應該是核三那核二稍微再進一步難度是比較簡單是核三核二是相對的比較稍微難一點大概是這樣\n\n01:00.385 --> 01:20.179\n我們現行的法令規定核電廠在執照到期前多久如果要申請研議的話要提出五年五年喔那如果有黨團或委員想要提出修法這個五年的這個期限這個時間呢對我們現在已經在運轉的機組就是說將來他面臨到廚藝的問題那他現在提修法會是來得及的嗎\n\n01:21.640 --> 01:41.792\n來不及喔我們國內有企業指出就是主張說以黃金比例來配置能源的話核能可以是綠能的盟友而非敵人但是如果只以現在的核酸來研議的話主委您覺得說能夠做到所謂的黃金配置的黃金能源配置的比例嗎\n\n01:42.935 --> 01:56.983\n我們核三廠就是6%這所有的能源大概就是佔所有我們臺灣能源的6%左右那麼就是說它還是有一定的限度\n\n01:58.524 --> 02:24.853\n主委您以您的專業來看其實我們國內跟各國一樣對於再生能源的發展能源轉型我們都一直都非常在努力就是希望來抵消這些碳排因為我們有一個目標是2050年進行排放那如果說我們以這樣子剛剛講的再生能源的發展來能源轉型的部分還有說一些比較難以抵消的部分我們還用復炭技術以及這個自然碳匯的方式來抵那麼\n\n02:25.534 --> 02:29.946\n不用核能,主管您覺得2050年的淨零排放真的是無法達成嗎?\n\n02:32.071 --> 02:54.945\n這個部分也要看新科技未來發展的速度比如說氫能比如說地熱那這樣說主委您來看如果說以我們現在以再生能源發展的這樣的技術一直在精進那是不是有這樣的機會在2050年進行台放達成這個目標裡面我們是排除核能的\n\n02:57.268 --> 03:12.014\n我想也不能完全排除按照目前的技術未來總是有很多的可能所以您覺得這也是樂觀的吧\n\n03:13.979 --> 03:29.546\n是有這個可能其實為什麼提到這個部分呢因為其實這段時間的地震讓我們台灣的民眾都心理壓力非常的大常常睡覺都睡不安穩那以我們台灣整個地層的結構其實發展可能需要非常非常的謹慎我想主委您同意非常同意\n\n03:32.199 --> 03:39.001\n那我們今天的主題今天是關於我們含氚廢水的排放那過去我們都會聚焦在福島核電廠這個含氚廢水的排放但是日本的媒體近日有解出中國2023年版的《核能年鑒》有揭露2022年中國核電廠排放的水裡面含輻射物質穿的數量跟福島電廠排放的含氚廢水上限來比那超標是高達9倍\n\n04:02.009 --> 04:04.410\n甚至說中國浙江的泰山核電廠2022年排出的含氚量是202兆貝克相對於福島核電廠來講高了9.1倍。這個排放水含氚的量以核安會的專業來看對周邊的國家跟海域是安全的嗎?\n\n04:23.674 --> 04:42.069\n目前檢測因為目前我們有一些海測點107點目前大概都是安全的那麼剛才委員提到的問題我想我們後續會再來研議一下就是說看看有沒有辦法再更進一步的有一些\n\n04:42.529 --> 04:47.451\n主委其實以核電廠的運轉其實排放水裡面都會有這樣的物質但是我們經過層層的過濾呢這樣輻射物質降到最低才排放出來但因為氚這個物質本來它比較不好排除所以它會變成是一個指標檢驗排放水裡面的氚來看這樣子的這樣的水排放出來是不是對周邊的海域周邊的物質會有一些危害那如果說\n\n05:07.739 --> 05:12.742\n的核電廠的排放水裡面這些含氚的這個量是必然的那以我國周邊的國家的核電廠來排放情況包括含輻射量的質量、整體排放量是不是核安會我們對這個部分的訊息的揭露給民眾相關的情況一定要讓民眾有正確的認知所以說我們在我們的核安會的監測的入口網的資訊是不是應該調整而不是說只以日本的排放\n\n05:38.580 --> 05:42.804\n這個為主是不是應該要揭露周邊國家排放的這個狀況而且要及時的做這個示警來降低民眾的疑慮以及恐慌不是只有針對日本的排放主委您覺得呢我完全同意所以這個希望可以做調整\n\n05:56.518 --> 06:19.190\n對來做調整讓民眾去了解說有這樣的訊息而且我們要做正確的這樣的訊息的布達讓他們了解說不用過度的焦慮那在4月20的報導裡面有指出福島核廢水的儲罐出現腐蝕那即使說東電他說是沒問題的那我們核安衛有沒有針對這個腐蝕的狀況來做進一步的了解\n\n06:20.320 --> 06:34.849\n是的,我們有在注意到這個新聞那麼後續有在看這個東電這個公司相關的網頁那麼也會持續的來關注後續他的情況那特別是安全的問題\n\n06:35.709 --> 06:40.390\n因為我們不是IAEA的成員所以說我們很多的訊息可能對我們國際上一些原子能的狀況沒有辦法馬上有第一手的消息但是我們沒有辦法有第一手的消息之後我們如果知道有這樣的就是說我們輾轉的不是輾轉可能第二手知道這樣的訊息之後我們也必須要趕快去了解事實的整個的實際的情況是如何我們才能夠來決定如何因應\n\n07:03.275 --> 07:16.566\n我強調這個部分是說其實我們一般的民眾就是這樣比較高度的一些專業的一些訊息他們不了解那不了解就會覺得恐慌就會焦慮所以核安會這邊應該針對說我們新聞還有一些比較時效性的這樣的訊息我們要加快我們回應的速度來減低民眾的疑慮跟他們的焦慮那再下來我這邊要請教主委\n\n07:28.254 --> 07:39.422\n針對烏克蘭的扎婆羅勒核電廠附近近期遭受無人機攻擊國際能源總署也已經示警甚至表示這是一條極度危險戰線的開端過去本席也詢問過很多次就是我國周邊的核電廠\n\n07:48.188 --> 08:07.463\n如果說有發生事故而有輻射外溢的這個狀況呢這樣對我國跟周邊的國家都是災難喔那所以今天這個俄烏戰爭的這個事故如果真的有輻射這個核電廠的這個遭受攻擊而有輻射外洩的這樣狀況發生的話\n\n08:09.585 --> 08:09.885\n公務預算解凍案\n\n08:29.215 --> 08:41.702\n我們今年會做核安30號演習剛才委員提到的烏俄戰爭最大的影響即時的應該是歐洲大陸葛羅希他的訪問其實我看了相關的影片\n\n08:50.407 --> 09:02.744\n那麼其實是全世界很關切因為這個不僅是俄羅斯跟烏克蘭的問題其實也是整個歐洲甚至全世界的問題這是影響整個國際的對對對\n\n09:06.268 --> 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