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00:01:38,355\n涉137等敗衰期較長的元素都是符合規定的情形不過我想就叫核安會還有農業部就是說國人常吃的這些遠洋的魚類那他們抽驗的情形也是合格的嗎還是說根據剛剛所謂的生物累積效應那漁民所捕獲的這種大型的魚種那目前檢驗的狀況如何\n\n5\n00:01:40,638 --> 00:01:58,927\n根據召委報告到目前為止我們做這些漁獲的檢測都是安全的那麼我們輻射偵測中心是第一線實驗室在做量測那麼我們這些漁獲大概就是水勢所、漁業署提供這些樣本\n\n6\n00:02:07,931 --> 00:02:28,222\n好所以是漁業署要補充說明還是委員好那個漁業署這邊補充說明喔事實上從剛才的報告的部分我們在抽驗的部分事實上就包括所謂的鹽濟海的部分還有您關心的包括秋刀魚等漁場的這些所謂的遠洋經濟性的部分\n\n7\n00:02:28,522 --> 00:02:51,901\n那您剛才關心的部分是包括我們在太平洋這邊所比較大型的就叫尾旗沙的部分其實都有一些的規劃那以113年呢剛才已經也跟委員報告還有委員會報告的部分就是我們在沿近海的這一塊總共抽了3000件那對於所謂的遠洋的部分我們抽了240件那這裡面就包括秋刀魚\n\n8\n00:02:52,782 --> 00:03:13,878\n的部分還有就是所謂的尾棋砂的部分那秋刀魚的部分是規劃了100就是射所謂的90件還有就是那個穿的部分90件還有尾棋砂的部分各30件就是60件的部分總共240件到目前為止因為還沒有進入產季就是秋刀魚的部分是在下半年\n\n9\n00:03:14,418 --> 00:03:30,326\n的部分目前的部分遠洋的緯淇沙的部分已經抽了四件秋刀魚是之前回國的部分不是川的部分也抽了兩件目前的部分的情形都是偏小魚的以上\n\n10\n00:03:32,401 --> 00:03:34,543\n就在昨天相關的團體又有再次召開記者會他堅定反對修法\n\n11\n00:03:49,921 --> 00:03:59,152\n讓老舊核電廠研議因為還有許多欠缺考量的地方那本席也有跟主委有提到就是說老舊核電廠研議有龐大的經濟跟所謂的環境成本同時主委也認同\n\n12\n00:04:05,740 --> 00:04:23,249\n左手處理這個核廢料是目前我們積極要面對的課題那上一次核安會來報告的時候許多委員都有問到說這個燃料核燃料乾式主存槽的進度那根據我們辦公室的了解台電公司跟新北市政府\n\n13\n00:04:23,829 --> 00:04:42,230\n已經在今年4月1日完成行政調解。那肯定依照行政調解結果要4月16日提出核一廠用過核燃料中期儲存計劃的水土保持計劃也就是第二次邊跟設計的文件要送交新北市政府來審查\n\n14\n00:04:43,411 --> 00:05:00,568\n那目前這個進度我們看起來核廢料的處理仍是未解跟棘手的問題那所以很多委員提案修法說讓老舊的核電廠來研議我覺得這是相當欠缺思考的做法那還有就是說讓核電廠繼續運作本來就是有違台灣持續進行的能源政策\n\n15\n00:05:07,535 --> 00:05:23,225\n那修管制辦法開放這個研議可能總不可能讓當前已經廚藝或者正在廚藝中準備廚藝中的核電廠在冒著風險繼續運作所以也絕不可能再找新的地方來興建新的核電廠\n\n16\n00:05:24,305 --> 00:05:37,780\n那所以部分委員提的這個核子反應設施演繹的修法顯然是忽視了核一、核二已經進入了主義階段那核三也提出核主義的這個計畫的現況那主委你認為\n\n17\n00:05:42,129 --> 00:05:55,159\n國民黨這樣的提案是不是非常的沒有辦法的執行跟如果這樣的提案是不是國民黨那他要再怎麼哪些執政縣市去蓋核電廠嗎\n\n18\n00:05:58,268 --> 00:06:24,027\n這個的確是比較困難的議題那麼我想核安會是獨立的安全管制機關那對特定的擁核緩和我想我們不做具體的應該秉持比較公正的方法因為我們畢竟是技術本位可是我們是就核安就核安這個點上面來看研議的狀況那當然\n\n19\n00:06:26,443 --> 00:06:48,535\n對我舊核案來看您也說過確實是有很多難題的確都是有很多難題那不然就不會現在有這麼多的討論跟提議那麼這個還需要一些我想社會上大多數人的認同或者是共識還有再一些努力\n\n20\n00:06:50,618 --> 00:07:15,940\n那另外就是說這個遊行他預計要復刻2014年的佔領行動在現場播放那個核災的警報邀請很多的民眾躺在中山南路上那表達反核電研議的訴求那過去我們持續進行核電廠周遭地區的核安演習然而我想台灣一座那麼小小的島嶼全國都是命運共同體\n\n21\n00:07:16,741 --> 00:07:40,760\n所以是不是也必須要全國人民有基本的核災應對的意識那如何能做到那當然我們都不希望看到任何的災難來發生但基本的概念一定還是要深植人民的心中那加上最近地震頻傳所以核災警報如果跟很多則的地震警報混雜在一起那人民如何應對所以主委這點你怎麼看\n\n22\n00:07:42,381 --> 00:08:01,859\n這個在我們官網跟這個APP核安一點通大概都有可以點來聽聽看那麼核災的部分我想主要是核電廠周邊的區塊的居民這是優先這是優先這也就是我們的APP它其實\n\n23\n00:08:02,970 --> 00:08:22,757\n推廣的率其實是相對的侷限因為主要的新北市、石門、萬里、恆春我們還會繼續努力這一塊但是現在在我們的網頁上其實你可以點來聽聽看沒有問題所以兩者是有很大的差別\n\n24\n00:08:25,137 --> 00:08:49,453\n可以聽得出來那核安會的書面報告中有提到境外核災是最有可能影響臺灣的輻射程不過我想全國人民對於境外核災的即時應對的意識是否充足核安會是否有盡到全民核災的防災教育這一點也請主委要特別的關心想要請教主委最後一個問題就是說我們最有可能影響臺灣的境外輻射程\n\n25\n00:08:51,735 --> 00:08:59,825\n何安會如何向人民宣達這個防災的概念那什麼時候可以有效於落實這方面的全國的教育\n\n26\n00:09:01,695 --> 00:09:29,523\n這個部分當然我們都持續的關切一個是日本一個是中國大陸那麼這個部分我剛才也跟其他委員報告我們每年都有定期的防災的演練今年是河安30號那麼在河一場那去年是河二場在河安29號那麼我們動員多少人呢?超過1萬人去年所以它其實是跨部會的合作\n\n27\n00:09:30,383 --> 00:09:43,912\n那麼今年如果有機會再請委員來給我們指導一下所以稍微理解一下就是說那個場景大概是這樣好好主委辛苦謝謝主席謝謝移檢召委主委請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5125\t20536\t本席上次質詢有關中國核電廠氚廢水排放案例的延期我首先要肯定核安會在第一時間迅速有給出回覆也表示會更提前來完成這個計畫\n23038\t43872\t不過排放到這個大海的放射性的廢水造成的影響其實是難以預估化學物質除了它隨著洋流會流到各處然後也還可能在海洋生物攝取之後因為生物累積效應的關係會使得食物鏈這個頂端者體內累積到更多的這個影響這個健康的物質\n49096\t55161\t那所以我們這次要本席特別關心的就是說在台灣遠洋漁業所捕撈的漁種當中放射性物質的生物檢測的狀況那從漁業署的這個官方網站可以看到目前的反台太平洋漁獲輻射抽檢檢驗結果\n72214\t98355\t涉137等敗衰期較長的元素都是符合規定的情形不過我想就叫核安會還有農業部就是說國人常吃的這些遠洋的魚類那他們抽驗的情形也是合格的嗎還是說根據剛剛所謂的生物累積效應那漁民所捕獲的這種大型的魚種那目前檢驗的狀況如何\n100638\t118927\t根據召委報告到目前為止我們做這些漁獲的檢測都是安全的那麼我們輻射偵測中心是第一線實驗室在做量測那麼我們這些漁獲大概就是水勢所、漁業署提供這些樣本\n127931\t148222\t好 所以是漁業署要補充說明還是委員好 那個漁業署這邊補充說明喔事實上從剛才的報告的部分我們在抽驗的部分事實上就包括所謂的鹽濟海的部分還有您關心的包括秋刀魚等漁場的這些所謂的遠洋經濟性的部分\n148522\t171901\t那您剛才關心的部分是包括我們在太平洋這邊所比較大型的就叫尾旗沙的部分其實都有一些的規劃那以113年呢剛才已經也跟委員報告還有委員會報告的部分就是我們在沿近海的這一塊總共抽了3000件那對於所謂的遠洋的部分我們抽了240件那這裡面就包括秋刀魚\n172782\t193878\t的部分還有就是所謂的尾棋砂的部分那秋刀魚的部分是規劃了100就是射所謂的90件還有就是那個穿的部分90件還有尾棋砂的部分各30件就是60件的部分總共240件到目前為止因為還沒有進入產季就是秋刀魚的部分是在下半年\n194418\t210326\t的部分目前的部分遠洋的緯淇沙的部分已經抽了四件秋刀魚是之前回國的部分不是川的部分也抽了兩件目前的部分的情形都是偏小魚的以上\n212401\t214543\t就在昨天相關的團體又有再次召開記者會他堅定反對修法\n229921\t239152\t讓老舊核電廠研議因為還有許多欠缺考量的地方那本席也有跟主委有提到就是說老舊核電廠研議有龐大的經濟跟所謂的環境成本同時主委也認同\n245740\t263249\t左手處理這個核廢料是目前我們積極要面對的課題那上一次核安會來報告的時候許多委員都有問到說這個燃料核燃料乾式主存槽的進度那根據我們辦公室的了解台電公司跟新北市政府\n263829\t282230\t已經在今年4月1日完成行政調解。那肯定依照行政調解結果要4月16日提出核一廠用過核燃料中期儲存計劃的水土保持計劃也就是第二次邊跟設計的文件要送交新北市政府來審查\n283411\t300568\t那目前這個進度我們看起來核廢料的處理仍是未解跟棘手的問題那所以很多委員提案修法說讓老舊的核電廠來研議我覺得這是相當欠缺思考的做法那還有就是說讓核電廠繼續運作本來就是有違台灣持續進行的能源政策\n307535\t323225\t那修管制辦法開放這個研議可能總不可能讓當前已經廚藝或者正在廚藝中準備廚藝中的核電廠在冒著風險繼續運作所以也絕不可能再找新的地方來興建新的核電廠\n324305\t337780\t那所以部分委員提的這個核子反應設施演繹的修法顯然是忽視了核一、核二已經進入了主義階段那核三也提出核主義的這個計畫的現況那主委你認為\n342129\t355159\t國民黨這樣的提案是不是非常的沒有辦法的執行跟如果這樣的提案是不是國民黨那他要再怎麼哪些執政縣市去蓋核電廠嗎\n358268\t384027\t這個的確是比較困難的議題那麼我想核安會是獨立的安全管制機關那對特定的擁核緩和我想我們不做具體的應該秉持比較公正的方法因為我們畢竟是技術本位可是我們是就核安就核安這個點上面來看研議的狀況那當然\n386443\t408535\t對我舊核案來看您也說過確實是有很多難題的確都是有很多難題那不然就不會現在有這麼多的討論跟提議那麼這個還需要一些我想社會上大多數人的認同或者是共識還有再一些努力\n410618\t435940\t那另外就是說這個遊行他預計要復刻2014年的佔領行動在現場播放那個核災的警報邀請很多的民眾躺在中山南路上那表達反核電研議的訴求那過去我們持續進行核電廠周遭地區的核安演習然而我想台灣一座那麼小小的島嶼全國都是命運共同體\n436741\t460760\t所以是不是也必須要全國人民有基本的核災應對的意識那如何能做到那當然我們都不希望看到任何的災難來發生但基本的概念一定還是要深植人民的心中那加上最近地震頻傳所以核災警報如果跟很多則的地震警報混雜在一起那人民如何應對所以主委這點你怎麼看\n462381\t481859\t這個在我們官網跟這個APP核安一點通大概都有可以點來聽聽看那麼核災的部分我想主要是核電廠周邊的區塊的居民這是優先這是優先這也就是我們的APP它其實\n482970\t502757\t推廣的率其實是相對的侷限因為主要的新北市、石門、萬里、恆春我們還會繼續努力這一塊但是現在在我們的網頁上其實你可以點來聽聽看 沒有問題所以兩者是有很大的差別\n505137\t529453\t可以聽得出來那核安會的書面報告中有提到境外核災是最有可能影響臺灣的輻射程不過我想全國人民對於境外核災的即時應對的意識是否充足核安會是否有盡到全民核災的防災教育這一點也請主委要特別的關心想要請教主委最後一個問題就是說我們最有可能影響臺灣的境外輻射程\n531735\t539825\t何安會如何向人民宣達這個防災的概念那什麼時候可以有效於落實這方面的全國的教育\n541695\t569523\t這個部分當然我們都持續的關切一個是日本一個是中國大陸那麼這個部分我剛才也跟其他委員報告我們每年都有定期的防災的演練今年是河安30號那麼在河一場那去年是河二場在河安29號那麼我們動員多少人呢?超過1萬人去年所以它其實是跨部會的合作\n570383\t583912\t那麼今年如果有機會再請委員來給我們指導一下所以稍微理解一下就是說那個場景大概是這樣好 好 主委辛苦 謝謝主席謝謝移檢召委 主委請回\n","txt":"本席上次質詢有關中國核電廠氚廢水排放案例的延期我首先要肯定核安會在第一時間迅速有給出回覆也表示會更提前來完成這個計畫\n不過排放到這個大海的放射性的廢水造成的影響其實是難以預估化學物質除了它隨著洋流會流到各處然後也還可能在海洋生物攝取之後因為生物累積效應的關係會使得食物鏈這個頂端者體內累積到更多的這個影響這個健康的物質\n那所以我們這次要本席特別關心的就是說在台灣遠洋漁業所捕撈的漁種當中放射性物質的生物檢測的狀況那從漁業署的這個官方網站可以看到目前的反台太平洋漁獲輻射抽檢檢驗結果\n涉137等敗衰期較長的元素都是符合規定的情形不過我想就叫核安會還有農業部就是說國人常吃的這些遠洋的魚類那他們抽驗的情形也是合格的嗎還是說根據剛剛所謂的生物累積效應那漁民所捕獲的這種大型的魚種那目前檢驗的狀況如何\n根據召委報告到目前為止我們做這些漁獲的檢測都是安全的那麼我們輻射偵測中心是第一線實驗室在做量測那麼我們這些漁獲大概就是水勢所、漁業署提供這些樣本\n好 所以是漁業署要補充說明還是委員好 那個漁業署這邊補充說明喔事實上從剛才的報告的部分我們在抽驗的部分事實上就包括所謂的鹽濟海的部分還有您關心的包括秋刀魚等漁場的這些所謂的遠洋經濟性的部分\n那您剛才關心的部分是包括我們在太平洋這邊所比較大型的就叫尾旗沙的部分其實都有一些的規劃那以113年呢剛才已經也跟委員報告還有委員會報告的部分就是我們在沿近海的這一塊總共抽了3000件那對於所謂的遠洋的部分我們抽了240件那這裡面就包括秋刀魚\n的部分還有就是所謂的尾棋砂的部分那秋刀魚的部分是規劃了100就是射所謂的90件還有就是那個穿的部分90件還有尾棋砂的部分各30件就是60件的部分總共240件到目前為止因為還沒有進入產季就是秋刀魚的部分是在下半年\n的部分目前的部分遠洋的緯淇沙的部分已經抽了四件秋刀魚是之前回國的部分不是川的部分也抽了兩件目前的部分的情形都是偏小魚的以上\n就在昨天相關的團體又有再次召開記者會他堅定反對修法\n讓老舊核電廠研議因為還有許多欠缺考量的地方那本席也有跟主委有提到就是說老舊核電廠研議有龐大的經濟跟所謂的環境成本同時主委也認同\n左手處理這個核廢料是目前我們積極要面對的課題那上一次核安會來報告的時候許多委員都有問到說這個燃料核燃料乾式主存槽的進度那根據我們辦公室的了解台電公司跟新北市政府\n已經在今年4月1日完成行政調解。那肯定依照行政調解結果要4月16日提出核一廠用過核燃料中期儲存計劃的水土保持計劃也就是第二次邊跟設計的文件要送交新北市政府來審查\n那目前這個進度我們看起來核廢料的處理仍是未解跟棘手的問題那所以很多委員提案修法說讓老舊的核電廠來研議我覺得這是相當欠缺思考的做法那還有就是說讓核電廠繼續運作本來就是有違台灣持續進行的能源政策\n那修管制辦法開放這個研議可能總不可能讓當前已經廚藝或者正在廚藝中準備廚藝中的核電廠在冒著風險繼續運作所以也絕不可能再找新的地方來興建新的核電廠\n那所以部分委員提的這個核子反應設施演繹的修法顯然是忽視了核一、核二已經進入了主義階段那核三也提出核主義的這個計畫的現況那主委你認為\n國民黨這樣的提案是不是非常的沒有辦法的執行跟如果這樣的提案是不是國民黨那他要再怎麼哪些執政縣市去蓋核電廠嗎\n這個的確是比較困難的議題那麼我想核安會是獨立的安全管制機關那對特定的擁核緩和我想我們不做具體的應該秉持比較公正的方法因為我們畢竟是技術本位可是我們是就核安就核安這個點上面來看研議的狀況那當然\n對我舊核案來看您也說過確實是有很多難題的確都是有很多難題那不然就不會現在有這麼多的討論跟提議那麼這個還需要一些我想社會上大多數人的認同或者是共識還有再一些努力\n那另外就是說這個遊行他預計要復刻2014年的佔領行動在現場播放那個核災的警報邀請很多的民眾躺在中山南路上那表達反核電研議的訴求那過去我們持續進行核電廠周遭地區的核安演習然而我想台灣一座那麼小小的島嶼全國都是命運共同體\n所以是不是也必須要全國人民有基本的核災應對的意識那如何能做到那當然我們都不希望看到任何的災難來發生但基本的概念一定還是要深植人民的心中那加上最近地震頻傳所以核災警報如果跟很多則的地震警報混雜在一起那人民如何應對所以主委這點你怎麼看\n這個在我們官網跟這個APP核安一點通大概都有可以點來聽聽看那麼核災的部分我想主要是核電廠周邊的區塊的居民這是優先這是優先這也就是我們的APP它其實\n推廣的率其實是相對的侷限因為主要的新北市、石門、萬里、恆春我們還會繼續努力這一塊但是現在在我們的網頁上其實你可以點來聽聽看 沒有問題所以兩者是有很大的差別\n可以聽得出來那核安會的書面報告中有提到境外核災是最有可能影響臺灣的輻射程不過我想全國人民對於境外核災的即時應對的意識是否充足核安會是否有盡到全民核災的防災教育這一點也請主委要特別的關心想要請教主委最後一個問題就是說我們最有可能影響臺灣的境外輻射程\n何安會如何向人民宣達這個防災的概念那什麼時候可以有效於落實這方面的全國的教育\n這個部分當然我們都持續的關切一個是日本一個是中國大陸那麼這個部分我剛才也跟其他委員報告我們每年都有定期的防災的演練今年是河安30號那麼在河一場那去年是河二場在河安29號那麼我們動員多少人呢?超過1萬人去年所以它其實是跨部會的合作\n那麼今年如果有機會再請委員來給我們指導一下所以稍微理解一下就是說那個場景大概是這樣好 好 主委辛苦 謝謝主席謝謝移檢召委 主委請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.125 --> 00:20.536\n本席上次質詢有關中國核電廠氚廢水排放案例的延期我首先要肯定核安會在第一時間迅速有給出回覆也表示會更提前來完成這個計畫\n\n00:23.038 --> 00:43.872\n不過排放到這個大海的放射性的廢水造成的影響其實是難以預估化學物質除了它隨著洋流會流到各處然後也還可能在海洋生物攝取之後因為生物累積效應的關係會使得食物鏈這個頂端者體內累積到更多的這個影響這個健康的物質\n\n00:49.096 --> 00:55.161\n那所以我們這次要本席特別關心的就是說在台灣遠洋漁業所捕撈的漁種當中放射性物質的生物檢測的狀況那從漁業署的這個官方網站可以看到目前的反台太平洋漁獲輻射抽檢檢驗結果\n\n01:12.214 --> 01:38.355\n涉137等敗衰期較長的元素都是符合規定的情形不過我想就叫核安會還有農業部就是說國人常吃的這些遠洋的魚類那他們抽驗的情形也是合格的嗎還是說根據剛剛所謂的生物累積效應那漁民所捕獲的這種大型的魚種那目前檢驗的狀況如何\n\n01:40.638 --> 01:58.927\n根據召委報告到目前為止我們做這些漁獲的檢測都是安全的那麼我們輻射偵測中心是第一線實驗室在做量測那麼我們這些漁獲大概就是水勢所、漁業署提供這些樣本\n\n02:07.931 --> 02:28.222\n好所以是漁業署要補充說明還是委員好那個漁業署這邊補充說明喔事實上從剛才的報告的部分我們在抽驗的部分事實上就包括所謂的鹽濟海的部分還有您關心的包括秋刀魚等漁場的這些所謂的遠洋經濟性的部分\n\n02:28.522 --> 02:51.901\n那您剛才關心的部分是包括我們在太平洋這邊所比較大型的就叫尾旗沙的部分其實都有一些的規劃那以113年呢剛才已經也跟委員報告還有委員會報告的部分就是我們在沿近海的這一塊總共抽了3000件那對於所謂的遠洋的部分我們抽了240件那這裡面就包括秋刀魚\n\n02:52.782 --> 03:13.878\n的部分還有就是所謂的尾棋砂的部分那秋刀魚的部分是規劃了100就是射所謂的90件還有就是那個穿的部分90件還有尾棋砂的部分各30件就是60件的部分總共240件到目前為止因為還沒有進入產季就是秋刀魚的部分是在下半年\n\n03:14.418 --> 03:30.326\n的部分目前的部分遠洋的緯淇沙的部分已經抽了四件秋刀魚是之前回國的部分不是川的部分也抽了兩件目前的部分的情形都是偏小魚的以上\n\n03:32.401 --> 03:34.543\n就在昨天相關的團體又有再次召開記者會他堅定反對修法\n\n03:49.921 --> 03:59.152\n讓老舊核電廠研議因為還有許多欠缺考量的地方那本席也有跟主委有提到就是說老舊核電廠研議有龐大的經濟跟所謂的環境成本同時主委也認同\n\n04:05.740 --> 04:23.249\n左手處理這個核廢料是目前我們積極要面對的課題那上一次核安會來報告的時候許多委員都有問到說這個燃料核燃料乾式主存槽的進度那根據我們辦公室的了解台電公司跟新北市政府\n\n04:23.829 --> 04:42.230\n已經在今年4月1日完成行政調解。那肯定依照行政調解結果要4月16日提出核一廠用過核燃料中期儲存計劃的水土保持計劃也就是第二次邊跟設計的文件要送交新北市政府來審查\n\n04:43.411 --> 05:00.568\n那目前這個進度我們看起來核廢料的處理仍是未解跟棘手的問題那所以很多委員提案修法說讓老舊的核電廠來研議我覺得這是相當欠缺思考的做法那還有就是說讓核電廠繼續運作本來就是有違台灣持續進行的能源政策\n\n05:07.535 --> 05:23.225\n那修管制辦法開放這個研議可能總不可能讓當前已經廚藝或者正在廚藝中準備廚藝中的核電廠在冒著風險繼續運作所以也絕不可能再找新的地方來興建新的核電廠\n\n05:24.305 --> 05:37.780\n那所以部分委員提的這個核子反應設施演繹的修法顯然是忽視了核一、核二已經進入了主義階段那核三也提出核主義的這個計畫的現況那主委你認為\n\n05:42.129 --> 05:55.159\n國民黨這樣的提案是不是非常的沒有辦法的執行跟如果這樣的提案是不是國民黨那他要再怎麼哪些執政縣市去蓋核電廠嗎\n\n05:58.268 --> 06:24.027\n這個的確是比較困難的議題那麼我想核安會是獨立的安全管制機關那對特定的擁核緩和我想我們不做具體的應該秉持比較公正的方法因為我們畢竟是技術本位可是我們是就核安就核安這個點上面來看研議的狀況那當然\n\n06:26.443 --> 06:48.535\n對我舊核案來看您也說過確實是有很多難題的確都是有很多難題那不然就不會現在有這麼多的討論跟提議那麼這個還需要一些我想社會上大多數人的認同或者是共識還有再一些努力\n\n06:50.618 --> 07:15.940\n那另外就是說這個遊行他預計要復刻2014年的佔領行動在現場播放那個核災的警報邀請很多的民眾躺在中山南路上那表達反核電研議的訴求那過去我們持續進行核電廠周遭地區的核安演習然而我想台灣一座那麼小小的島嶼全國都是命運共同體\n\n07:16.741 --> 07:40.760\n所以是不是也必須要全國人民有基本的核災應對的意識那如何能做到那當然我們都不希望看到任何的災難來發生但基本的概念一定還是要深植人民的心中那加上最近地震頻傳所以核災警報如果跟很多則的地震警報混雜在一起那人民如何應對所以主委這點你怎麼看\n\n07:42.381 --> 08:01.859\n這個在我們官網跟這個APP核安一點通大概都有可以點來聽聽看那麼核災的部分我想主要是核電廠周邊的區塊的居民這是優先這是優先這也就是我們的APP它其實\n\n08:02.970 --> 08:22.757\n推廣的率其實是相對的侷限因為主要的新北市、石門、萬里、恆春我們還會繼續努力這一塊但是現在在我們的網頁上其實你可以點來聽聽看沒有問題所以兩者是有很大的差別\n\n08:25.137 --> 08:49.453\n可以聽得出來那核安會的書面報告中有提到境外核災是最有可能影響臺灣的輻射程不過我想全國人民對於境外核災的即時應對的意識是否充足核安會是否有盡到全民核災的防災教育這一點也請主委要特別的關心想要請教主委最後一個問題就是說我們最有可能影響臺灣的境外輻射程\n\n08:51.735 --> 08:59.825\n何安會如何向人民宣達這個防災的概念那什麼時候可以有效於落實這方面的全國的教育\n\n09:01.695 --> 09:29.523\n這個部分當然我們都持續的關切一個是日本一個是中國大陸那麼這個部分我剛才也跟其他委員報告我們每年都有定期的防災的演練今年是河安30號那麼在河一場那去年是河二場在河安29號那麼我們動員多少人呢?超過1萬人去年所以它其實是跨部會的合作\n\n09:30.383 --> 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