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實是一個非常好的機制。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對呀！這個行之已久，那你為什麼還要去告訴民眾說4月15日平均只有5.1塊，不是這樣子的嘛！"],["王部長美花：那一天確實是這樣子。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你1,869萬就是用8塊、10塊、12塊嘛，對不對？"],["王部長美花：那一天總的買的價錢就是長這個樣子，就是給委員這個表的問題。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：不是長這個樣子，實際上就是這個數字。"],["王部長美花：是啊！"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席只是告訴你要把真實的事情告訴社會大眾。"],["王部長美花：我們都是最真實的。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：大家才能夠共體時艱嘛，好不好？謝謝。"],["王部長美花：是，我們都是最真實的。"],["主席：謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。","接下來我們請賴瑞隆委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":186,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-9","speakers":["邱議瑩","黃建賓","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","林思銘","林岱樺","張嘉郡","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:29,632\n二、審查：一、處理或審查〈工廠管理輔導法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條\n\n6\n00:01:46,784 --> 00:01:51,450\n而且美國智庫呢他也說了這個基金會他自己也說了台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你贊成這一句話的說法嗎\n\n7\n00:02:02,943 --> 00:02:25,140\n沒有關係,台積電到日本去……你贊成嗎?這是沒有關係你針對本席的提問不要再情緒發言針對本席的提問也就是美國智庫和詹姆士頓的基金會他們提出這樣的論點說台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你會認同這一句話嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:26,761 --> 00:02:29,784\n國際間給你這樣的訊息不要的事你要提出你的立場嘛對不對好你既然不認同那麼請教我們要怎麼樣去面對AI發展的趨勢他非常的加速\n\n9\n00:02:49,383 --> 00:02:58,980\n那你的能源這個人家已經有給你這樣子的一個訊息跟警戒也就是有嚴重的短缺的情況你要怎麼處理\n\n10\n00:03:00,509 --> 00:03:15,381\n實際上我們對AI的走向還有AI的用電需求我們這個都有很緊密在觀察那AI在發展大模型的訓練模型的時候它確實要用很多的電力但是對台灣來講台灣其實不適合去發行那一種大模型的這個AI訓練模型台灣應該針對專業的這個專業的使用用小模型的這個部分來做你暫停你的發言\n\n11\n00:03:29,873 --> 00:03:30,773\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n12\n00:03:48,559 --> 00:03:49,860\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n13\n00:04:09,748 --> 00:04:27,870\n暫程合二合三在他們條件OK的情況之下有可能會研議嗎?因為之前本席在一樣這個場合問過你那您告訴我是目前沒有這樣的方向那目前為止不管415這個電的問題或者是有限電跳電\n\n14\n00:04:29,466 --> 00:04:40,307\n還不到限電是跳電或者是停電這樣的情況那民眾當然憂心有沒有可能從根源將合二合三場會研議有沒有可能\n\n15\n00:04:41,014 --> 00:05:08,915\n我認為兩件事,一個就是因為意外造成的這樣的一個機組故障或者平常這個機組的這個設備壞掉這是一件事情那這個跟有沒有核電坦白講是沒有關係的那至於委員提到的不同意這樣的說法因為你明明白白已經機械壞掉天然的災害影響到我們地震四一五你都告訴我們是因為地震那我們都接受只要民眾要怎麼樣穩定供電\n\n16\n00:05:10,436 --> 00:05:18,141\n就是我們一直在找只要有機會那麼所以本席再強調再請問有沒有可能合二合三會研議\n\n17\n00:05:19,938 --> 00:05:25,582\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n18\n00:05:45,214 --> 00:05:49,738\n核電的安全重要性,絕對不是這樣的講法,絕對不是這樣的講法,但是我們現在在執行中啊,你如果這種說法表示我們現在是不安全的,當然要專家學者專案來討論嘛,所以本校請教有沒有可能\n\n19\n00:06:10,793 --> 00:06:24,979\n二、審查：一、處理或審查一、二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案的內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其\n\n20\n00:06:32,302 --> 00:06:33,742\n三項提案你會不會尊重去討論?尊重會不會討論?會討論那你也同意討論?所以你也同意討論嗎?是嗎?\n\n21\n00:06:51,171 --> 00:06:56,675\n立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案\n\n22\n00:07:19,660 --> 00:07:34,185\n這一個中油董事長在4月19號才告訴我們天然氣是明顯的在上揚,油價還好,現在51塊美金。但是本校要請教,今年1月到3月LNG的部分我們總共吸收了107億元。\n\n23\n00:07:35,845 --> 00:07:36,305\n工廠管理輔導工廠管理輔導工廠管理輔導\n\n24\n00:08:04,062 --> 00:08:06,025\n立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會議中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算\n\n25\n00:08:16,823 --> 00:08:18,465\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n26\n00:08:36,341 --> 00:08:36,701\n二、審查：一、處理或審查：一、處理或審查\n\n27\n00:08:54,392 --> 00:09:22,517\n相關的由就有平穩機制就平穩機制在做那目前的部分上一次委員問到這個民生用的這個桶裝瓦斯這個我們也有承認說到六月底之前到六月底之前我們也都沒有漲是我們上一次已經講了所以就朝這個方向啦我們如果可以打平不能去不能去因為民生你要好好的好好的去維護要不然影響會更大\n\n28\n00:09:23,237 --> 00:09:24,898\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案\n\n29\n00:09:41,303 --> 00:09:56,370\n但是你們又有一個訊息告訴我們說2400萬你們又有一個訊息說平均一度是五塊一不要這樣粉飾太平也不要這樣欺負老百姓因為很清楚你們這一次動用到的是180萬度\n\n30\n00:09:59,252 --> 00:10:11,001\n這1800000度裡頭你最重要的需量反應措施需量反應措施你包括基本上8塊10塊最後還有一道防線也就是可以在緊急狀況可以再加兩層12塊12塊所以你在需量反應制度裡頭的8塊10塊跟12塊你總共花了1869萬元\n\n31\n00:10:23,032 --> 00:10:23,292\n本院委員黃捷等17人擬具:「工廠管理輔導\n\n32\n00:10:45,629 --> 00:10:56,572\n條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條條文\n\n33\n00:11:11,736 --> 00:11:26,653\n貸款價就是長這個樣子就是給委員這個表的問題不是長這個樣子是實際上就是這個數字我只是告訴你本席要求告訴你我們就把真實的事情告訴社會黨大家才能夠共體時間好不好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n969\t9452\t請楊瓊瑛委員發言。」那主席宣告一下我們待會11點鐘我會先休息五分鐘。謝謝主席。楊瓊瑛發言。邀請部長。來,請部長。好,委員好。是。部長,剛剛本席也針對於這個\n27023\t42600\t法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十九條來強化工廠負責人的申報、督導、管理以及接受調查的責任以利主管機關在稽查管理的時候能夠更加的落實。那你支持嗎?\n43180\t48685\t負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及\n69202\t86570\t第三個也就是整個社會大眾都會更加的安心要不然周邊發生的時候就是太恐怖的一個事情你們三位都頻頻點頭我們也希望明天就趕快進能夠討論完成初委員會我也謝謝你對本席的提案的一個支持\n88131\t89632\t二、審查：一、處理或審查〈工廠管理輔導法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條\n106784\t111450\t而且美國智庫呢他也說了這個基金會他自己也說了台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你贊成這一句話的說法嗎\n122943\t145140\t沒有關係,台積電到日本去……你贊成嗎?這是沒有關係你針對本席的提問不要再情緒發言針對本席的提問也就是美國智庫和詹姆士頓的基金會他們提出這樣的論點說台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你會認同這一句話嗎?\n146761\t149784\t國際間給你這樣的訊息不要的事你要提出你的立場嘛對不對好你既然不認同那麼請教我們要怎麼樣去面對AI發展的趨勢他非常的加速\n169383\t178980\t那你的能源這個人家已經有給你這樣子的一個訊息跟警戒也就是有嚴重的短缺的情況你要怎麼處理\n180509\t195381\t實際上我們對AI的走向還有AI的用電需求我們這個都有很緊密在觀察那AI在發展大模型的訓練模型的時候它確實要用很多的電力但是對台灣來講台灣其實不適合去發行那一種大模型的這個AI訓練模型台灣應該針對專業的這個專業的使用用小模型的這個部分來做你暫停你的發言\n209873\t210773\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n228559\t229860\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n249748\t267870\t暫程合二合三在他們條件OK的情況之下有可能會研議嗎?因為之前本席在一樣這個場合問過你那您告訴我是目前沒有這樣的方向那目前為止不管415這個電的問題或者是有限電跳電\n269466\t280307\t還不到限電是跳電或者是停電這樣的情況那民眾當然憂心有沒有可能從根源將合二合三場會研議有沒有可能\n281014\t308915\t我認為兩件事,一個就是因為意外造成的這樣的一個機組故障或者平常這個機組的這個設備壞掉這是一件事情那這個跟有沒有核電坦白講是沒有關係的那至於委員提到的不同意這樣的說法因為你明明白白已經機械壞掉天然的災害影響到我們地震四一五你都告訴我們是因為地震那我們都接受只要民眾要怎麼樣穩定供電\n310436\t318141\t就是我們一直在找只要有機會那麼所以本席再強調再請問有沒有可能合二合三會研議\n319938\t325582\t二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n345214\t349738\t核電的安全重要性,絕對不是這樣的講法,絕對不是這樣的講法,但是我們現在在執行中啊,你如果這種說法表示我們現在是不安全的,當然要專家學者專案來討論嘛,所以本校請教有沒有可能\n370793\t384979\t二、審查：一、處理或審查一、二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案的內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其\n392302\t393742\t三項提案你會不會尊重去討論?尊重會不會討論?會討論那你也同意討論?所以你也同意討論嗎?是嗎?\n411171\t416675\t立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案\n439660\t454185\t這一個中油董事長在4月19號才告訴我們天然氣是明顯的在上揚,油價還好,現在51塊美金。但是本校要請教,今年1月到3月LNG的部分我們總共吸收了107億元。\n455845\t456305\t工廠管理輔導 工廠管理輔導 工廠管理輔導\n484062\t486025\t立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會議中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算\n496823\t498465\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案 。\n516341\t516701\t二、審查：一、處理或審查：一、處理或審查\n534392\t562517\t相關的由就有平穩機制就平穩機制在做那目前的部分上一次委員問到這個民生用的這個桶裝瓦斯這個我們也有承認說到六月底之前到六月底之前我們也都沒有漲是我們上一次已經講了所以就朝這個方向啦我們如果可以打平不能去不能去因為民生你要好好的好好的去維護要不然影響會更大\n563237\t564898\t二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案\n581303\t596370\t但是你們又有一個訊息告訴我們說2400萬你們又有一個訊息說平均一度是五塊一不要這樣粉飾太平也不要這樣欺負老百姓因為很清楚你們這一次動用到的是180萬度\n599252\t611001\t這1800000度裡頭你最重要的需量反應措施需量反應措施你包括基本上8塊10塊最後還有一道防線也就是可以在緊急狀況可以再加兩層12塊12塊所以你在需量反應制度裡頭的8塊10塊跟12塊你總共花了1869萬元\n623032\t623292\t本院委員黃捷等17人擬具:「工廠管理輔導\n645629\t656572\t條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條條文\n671736\t686653\t貸款價就是長這個樣子就是給委員這個表的問題不是長這個樣子是實際上就是這個數字我只是告訴你本席要求告訴你我們就把真實的事情告訴社會黨大家才能夠共體時間好不好謝謝\n","txt":"請楊瓊瑛委員發言。」那主席宣告一下我們待會11點鐘我會先休息五分鐘。謝謝主席。楊瓊瑛發言。邀請部長。來,請部長。好,委員好。是。部長,剛剛本席也針對於這個\n法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十九條來強化工廠負責人的申報、督導、管理以及接受調查的責任以利主管機關在稽查管理的時候能夠更加的落實。那你支持嗎?\n負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及\n第三個也就是整個社會大眾都會更加的安心要不然周邊發生的時候就是太恐怖的一個事情你們三位都頻頻點頭我們也希望明天就趕快進能夠討論完成初委員會我也謝謝你對本席的提案的一個支持\n二、審查：一、處理或審查〈工廠管理輔導法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條\n而且美國智庫呢他也說了這個基金會他自己也說了台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你贊成這一句話的說法嗎\n沒有關係,台積電到日本去……你贊成嗎?這是沒有關係你針對本席的提問不要再情緒發言針對本席的提問也就是美國智庫和詹姆士頓的基金會他們提出這樣的論點說台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你會認同這一句話嗎?\n國際間給你這樣的訊息不要的事你要提出你的立場嘛對不對好你既然不認同那麼請教我們要怎麼樣去面對AI發展的趨勢他非常的加速\n那你的能源這個人家已經有給你這樣子的一個訊息跟警戒也就是有嚴重的短缺的情況你要怎麼處理\n實際上我們對AI的走向還有AI的用電需求我們這個都有很緊密在觀察那AI在發展大模型的訓練模型的時候它確實要用很多的電力但是對台灣來講台灣其實不適合去發行那一種大模型的這個AI訓練模型台灣應該針對專業的這個專業的使用用小模型的這個部分來做你暫停你的發言\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n暫程合二合三在他們條件OK的情況之下有可能會研議嗎?因為之前本席在一樣這個場合問過你那您告訴我是目前沒有這樣的方向那目前為止不管415這個電的問題或者是有限電跳電\n還不到限電是跳電或者是停電這樣的情況那民眾當然憂心有沒有可能從根源將合二合三場會研議有沒有可能\n我認為兩件事,一個就是因為意外造成的這樣的一個機組故障或者平常這個機組的這個設備壞掉這是一件事情那這個跟有沒有核電坦白講是沒有關係的那至於委員提到的不同意這樣的說法因為你明明白白已經機械壞掉天然的災害影響到我們地震四一五你都告訴我們是因為地震那我們都接受只要民眾要怎麼樣穩定供電\n就是我們一直在找只要有機會那麼所以本席再強調再請問有沒有可能合二合三會研議\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n核電的安全重要性,絕對不是這樣的講法,絕對不是這樣的講法,但是我們現在在執行中啊,你如果這種說法表示我們現在是不安全的,當然要專家學者專案來討論嘛,所以本校請教有沒有可能\n二、審查：一、處理或審查一、二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案的內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其\n三項提案你會不會尊重去討論?尊重會不會討論?會討論那你也同意討論?所以你也同意討論嗎?是嗎?\n立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案\n這一個中油董事長在4月19號才告訴我們天然氣是明顯的在上揚,油價還好,現在51塊美金。但是本校要請教,今年1月到3月LNG的部分我們總共吸收了107億元。\n工廠管理輔導 工廠管理輔導 工廠管理輔導\n立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會議中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案 。\n二、審查：一、處理或審查：一、處理或審查\n相關的由就有平穩機制就平穩機制在做那目前的部分上一次委員問到這個民生用的這個桶裝瓦斯這個我們也有承認說到六月底之前到六月底之前我們也都沒有漲是我們上一次已經講了所以就朝這個方向啦我們如果可以打平不能去不能去因為民生你要好好的好好的去維護要不然影響會更大\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案\n但是你們又有一個訊息告訴我們說2400萬你們又有一個訊息說平均一度是五塊一不要這樣粉飾太平也不要這樣欺負老百姓因為很清楚你們這一次動用到的是180萬度\n這1800000度裡頭你最重要的需量反應措施需量反應措施你包括基本上8塊10塊最後還有一道防線也就是可以在緊急狀況可以再加兩層12塊12塊所以你在需量反應制度裡頭的8塊10塊跟12塊你總共花了1869萬元\n本院委員黃捷等17人擬具:「工廠管理輔導\n條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及三十一條條條文\n貸款價就是長這個樣子就是給委員這個表的問題不是長這個樣子是實際上就是這個數字我只是告訴你本席要求告訴你我們就把真實的事情告訴社會黨大家才能夠共體時間好不好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.969 --> 00:09.452\n請楊瓊瑛委員發言。」那主席宣告一下我們待會11點鐘我會先休息五分鐘。謝謝主席。楊瓊瑛發言。邀請部長。來,請部長。好,委員好。是。部長,剛剛本席也針對於這個\n\n00:27.023 --> 00:42.600\n法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十九條來強化工廠負責人的申報、督導、管理以及接受調查的責任以利主管機關在稽查管理的時候能夠更加的落實。那你支持嗎?\n\n00:43.180 --> 00:48.685\n負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及負責任務及\n\n01:09.202 --> 01:26.570\n第三個也就是整個社會大眾都會更加的安心要不然周邊發生的時候就是太恐怖的一個事情你們三位都頻頻點頭我們也希望明天就趕快進能夠討論完成初委員會我也謝謝你對本席的提案的一個支持\n\n01:28.131 --> 01:29.632\n二、審查：一、處理或審查〈工廠管理輔導法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條\n\n01:46.784 --> 01:51.450\n而且美國智庫呢他也說了這個基金會他自己也說了台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你贊成這一句話的說法嗎\n\n02:02.943 --> 02:25.140\n沒有關係,台積電到日本去……你贊成嗎?這是沒有關係你針對本席的提問不要再情緒發言針對本席的提問也就是美國智庫和詹姆士頓的基金會他們提出這樣的論點說台積電在日本雄本的設廠原因就在於台灣的電力不足你會認同這一句話嗎?\n\n02:26.761 --> 02:29.784\n國際間給你這樣的訊息不要的事你要提出你的立場嘛對不對好你既然不認同那麼請教我們要怎麼樣去面對AI發展的趨勢他非常的加速\n\n02:49.383 --> 02:58.980\n那你的能源這個人家已經有給你這樣子的一個訊息跟警戒也就是有嚴重的短缺的情況你要怎麼處理\n\n03:00.509 --> 03:15.381\n實際上我們對AI的走向還有AI的用電需求我們這個都有很緊密在觀察那AI在發展大模型的訓練模型的時候它確實要用很多的電力但是對台灣來講台灣其實不適合去發行那一種大模型的這個AI訓練模型台灣應該針對專業的這個專業的使用用小模型的這個部分來做你暫停你的發言\n\n03:29.873 --> 03:30.773\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n03:48.559 --> 03:49.860\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n04:09.748 --> 04:27.870\n暫程合二合三在他們條件OK的情況之下有可能會研議嗎?因為之前本席在一樣這個場合問過你那您告訴我是目前沒有這樣的方向那目前為止不管415這個電的問題或者是有限電跳電\n\n04:29.466 --> 04:40.307\n還不到限電是跳電或者是停電這樣的情況那民眾當然憂心有沒有可能從根源將合二合三場會研議有沒有可能\n\n04:41.014 --> 05:08.915\n我認為兩件事,一個就是因為意外造成的這樣的一個機組故障或者平常這個機組的這個設備壞掉這是一件事情那這個跟有沒有核電坦白講是沒有關係的那至於委員提到的不同意這樣的說法因為你明明白白已經機械壞掉天然的災害影響到我們地震四一五你都告訴我們是因為地震那我們都接受只要民眾要怎麼樣穩定供電\n\n05:10.436 --> 05:18.141\n就是我們一直在找只要有機會那麼所以本席再強調再請問有沒有可能合二合三會研議\n\n05:19.938 --> 05:25.582\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n05:45.214 --> 05:49.738\n核電的安全重要性,絕對不是這樣的講法,絕對不是這樣的講法,但是我們現在在執行中啊,你如果這種說法表示我們現在是不安全的,當然要專家學者專案來討論嘛,所以本校請教有沒有可能\n\n06:10.793 --> 06:24.979\n二、審查：一、處理或審查一、二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案的內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其內容及其\n\n06:32.302 --> 06:33.742\n三項提案你會不會尊重去討論?尊重會不會討論?會討論那你也同意討論?所以你也同意討論嗎?是嗎?\n\n06:51.171 --> 06:56.675\n立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案立法院有相關的法案\n\n07:19.660 --> 07:34.185\n這一個中油董事長在4月19號才告訴我們天然氣是明顯的在上揚,油價還好,現在51塊美金。但是本校要請教,今年1月到3月LNG的部分我們總共吸收了107億元。\n\n07:35.845 --> 07:36.305\n工廠管理輔導工廠管理輔導工廠管理輔導\n\n08:04.062 --> 08:06.025\n立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會議中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算\n\n08:16.823 --> 08:18.465\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n08:36.341 --> 08:36.701\n二、審查：一、處理或審查：一、處理或審查\n\n08:54.392 --> 09:22.517\n相關的由就有平穩機制就平穩機制在做那目前的部分上一次委員問到這個民生用的這個桶裝瓦斯這個我們也有承認說到六月底之前到六月底之前我們也都沒有漲是我們上一次已經講了所以就朝這個方向啦我們如果可以打平不能去不能去因為民生你要好好的好好的去維護要不然影響會更大\n\n09:23.237 --> 09:24.898\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案\n\n09:41.303 --> 09:56.370\n但是你們又有一個訊息告訴我們說2400萬你們又有一個訊息說平均一度是五塊一不要這樣粉飾太平也不要這樣欺負老百姓因為很清楚你們這一次動用到的是180萬度\n\n09:59.252 --> 10:11.001\n這1800000度裡頭你最重要的需量反應措施需量反應措施你包括基本上8塊10塊最後還有一道防線也就是可以在緊急狀況可以再加兩層12塊12塊所以你在需量反應制度裡頭的8塊10塊跟12塊你總共花了1869萬元\n\n10:23.032 --> 10:23.292\n本院委員黃捷等17人擬具:「工廠管理輔導\n\n10:45.629 --> 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