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00:01:35,423\n那本席在上週質詢我們司法院陳廳長的時候曾經詢問過他的工作壓力大不大啦齁那廳長以過來人的這個身份也表達了這個法官壓力確實是非常的大\n\n5\n00:01:36,468 --> 00:02:04,694\n而我很累這個三個字也是目前所有法官的一個共同心聲那從這個憾事發生之後我們看到司法院在4月17號召開檢討會議其中作成一項決議參酌合法工時研議法官的這個合理結案量那我想請教秘書長您認為對法官來講合法的這種工時是多長合理的結案量又是多少\n\n6\n00:02:07,165 --> 00:02:14,376\n那假如通常是能夠在上班時間之內來做,來服務,通常是這樣,那至於說\n\n7\n00:02:21,693 --> 00:02:39,654\n在這個合理結案量我們內部正在明天就會召集一個一二三省包括法官協會的這個有關同仁啊一起來研究看一二三省的合理結案量到底多少\n\n8\n00:02:39,974 --> 00:03:03,669\n好秘書長您還是比較主張就是能夠遵循我們這個公務員服務法第12條這個每日辦公的時數8個小時那每週辦公總時數不超過40小時那應該也要40的這個週休二日我相信應該是這個目標可是我看起來目前應該是都沒辦法達成還是很難很難\n\n9\n00:03:06,611 --> 00:03:33,888\n委員對不起報告委員其實我們司法院有定一個辦公時數規則就是完全遵循委員剛剛提示的那個公務員服務法的那個工時限制那因為我們的法官工作真的繁重加上社會期待高自我期許也高所以法官真的基於責任感都會自發性的在加班導致工時延長要不然就法規的架構而言我們都其實都有規定法定的辦公時數以外你再怎麼加班也不能夠超過每個月70小時好\n\n10\n00:03:35,109 --> 00:03:39,970\n那從我們司法院的統計數據來看光是我們地方法院新收的這種各類的案件每年都在增加逐年增加到112年已經超過360萬件\n\n11\n00:04:02,515 --> 00:04:22,551\n那法官每天都在追著案件跑面對眼前海量的這種案件每天的工作時間恐怕都超過十幾個小時那假日也幾乎都沒辦法正常的休假都在加班不只是這樣造成心理壓力的過大也會嚴重影響到這個法官的健康\n\n12\n00:04:23,325 --> 00:04:52,590\n那減輕法官的這個工作負擔作為我們司法院司法改革的一個重點本席也曾經在第一次質詢的時候請教過秘書長秘書長當時答覆因為我們這個人力不足所以希望在原額上面能夠多加幫忙但是我想除了增補人力之外在分案上、程序上還有管考制度上應該都還有調整和改善的空間那也有一期檢討的這個必要性\n\n13\n00:04:53,070 --> 00:05:09,022\n司法院開完這個檢討會議也不應該只停留在研議或是期盼那我想請教秘書長對於減輕法官的這個工作負擔的目標究竟何時能夠提出具體的改善措施有沒有規劃改善的這個時間表\n\n14\n00:05:10,443 --> 00:05:26,730\n我們就是在一個內之內會呼應法官協會他提出來的就包括這個有關合理的結案還有就是說一些嚴考部分還有辦案期限要著量延長這樣\n\n15\n00:05:34,592 --> 00:05:47,107\n那不只法官,基層的司法人員的處境也是應該要被受到尊重另外我們看到苗栗的地院有書記官,疑是因為過勞而不幸病逝\n\n16\n00:05:47,768 --> 00:06:13,741\n那書記官的職責是將法官檢察官的工作予以書面格式化那書記官們在處理繁雜的這個行政文書工作現在也受到案件量暴增的這個影響每天處在水深火熱當中甚至導致身體出了狀況那我想請教秘書長對於書記官的過勞以及如何來改善書記官的勞動環境司法院有沒有相關的這個檢討\n\n17\n00:06:15,287 --> 00:06:18,768\n我們這一部分當然就是說會齊頭並進關於人力部分當然我們會盡量來請行政部門、人總部門來協助內部我們也會盡量就是說\n\n18\n00:06:37,619 --> 00:06:37,639\n好．\n\n19\n00:06:53,453 --> 00:07:08,578\n那如果我們從人員上來看書記官似乎還有難以留才的這個問題我們從近幾年的這個數據上四等法院書記官的缺額是越來越開越多了錄取率也幾乎暴增\n\n20\n00:07:09,258 --> 00:07:12,362\n司法院是否有掌握同仁離職的實際原因並擬定相應的流財措施?\n\n21\n00:07:29,152 --> 00:07:52,759\n我跟委員報告我們每一個同仁不是只有書記官司法人員離職我們都會做離職原因的調查然後來彙整並且檢討改進然後我們書記官的問題就是司法人員最大的問題是他有很多核心工作不是一般的非限職人員可以取代跟行政機關不一樣\n\n22\n00:07:53,379 --> 00:08:22,358\n像我們的很多的像書機關開庭打筆錄這件事情還有在筆錄上簽名這種都是具有訴訟法上效力的就沒有辦法用一般的就是所謂職務代理人或者是說非限職人員委外人力來取代所以現在問題在核心人力沒辦法取代所以為什麼我們一直拜託說要爭取中央機關總原額的提高因為這個法官增加輔助人力就要加兩倍所以等於一個法官增加要乘以三倍的原額如果原額不增加的話那司法機關真的沒有辦法再\n\n23\n00:08:23,658 --> 00:08:40,383\n我們還是希望我們司法院能夠這個更加來重視我們基層司法人員的這個處境並且能夠加以善加來改善我們讓我們所有的人才可以留在\n\n24\n00:08:40,903 --> 00:08:58,855\n司法體系當中來服務那也讓這個同仁在合理工作中負擔合理的工作量才是長久之計另外我想我們剛剛有談到這個原額的部分我想從過去的討論當中不管是司法院還是法務部都有共同一個點就是人力不足\n\n25\n00:08:59,235 --> 00:09:23,693\n那希望增加人力的部分從現行的總額、元額來看屬於第三類的司法院及所屬機關元額最高為15000人作為第四類的這個法務部所屬的這個檢查機關則為6900人那未來如果要再增加元額我想請教秘書長我們這個人事總署是否會支持\n\n26\n00:09:26,968 --> 00:09:47,840\n目前我們當然盡力就請他們來協助但是我覺得我還是很期盼就是說可能要一起來面對這種問題因為關於人民的司法受益錢這個是整個政府應該要一起去面對的\n\n27\n00:09:49,847 --> 00:10:17,309\n那當然也有另外有提出限量婚案的這種聲音但是我們會覺得這個不管怎樣司法受益前這個要政府我們全體有關的相關政府機關應該要共同來面對共同面對這個一定要一起克服不是只有我們我們司法部門的責任好謝謝秘書長那我同時也請教我們部長那對於我們法務部的部分我們原額增加的部分\n\n28\n00:10:17,757 --> 00:10:46,059\n是否也會受到我們這個人事總署的這個支持謝謝委員關心那法務部所屬的機關尤其是檢查機關人力不足確實也是存在的那我們現在檢查機關的法定員額是6900位那目前剩下的只剩下286位的員額而已事實上也是缺乏要再增加總員法能夠修正提高所以我們也會努力的來爭取\n\n29\n00:10:48,624 --> 00:11:11,418\n所以那對於我們這個司法院還有法務部的這個人力配置和運用我們都予以尊重那由於人力的不可能無限制的這種補充重點還是極大化原額運用的這種效益那配合有效減輕負荷的這種措施讓司法人員的壓力能夠確實得到舒緩我相信這才是我們要\n\n30\n00:11:11,718 --> 00:11:11,758\n主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n21822\t27586\t好 謝謝主席那有請我們吳秘書長跟蔡部長請吳秘書長跟蔡部長\n34363\t58800\t好 秘書長、蔡部長 早辛苦了喔好 我想我們今天就這個司法體系透過這個行政簡化、訴訟減量還有我們這個科技運用來降低基層司法人員負擔作為一個專題的討論那我想在兩週前所發生的這個法官墜樓的事件\n59941\t79871\t令社會各界感到非常的萬喜其中我們看到李法官在生前曾經向他的妻子表達我很累的這種心聲那顯示法官長期在這種高工時高壓力的環境工作下也讓我們再一次聚焦司法官過勞和司法體系負荷過重的這個問題\n81252\t95423\t那本席在上週質詢我們司法院陳廳長的時候曾經詢問過他的工作壓力大不大啦齁那廳長以過來人的這個身份也表達了這個法官壓力確實是非常的大\n96468\t124694\t而我很累這個三個字也是目前所有法官的一個共同心聲那從這個憾事發生之後我們看到司法院在4月17號召開檢討會議其中作成一項決議參酌合法工時研議法官的這個合理結案量那我想請教秘書長您認為對法官來講合法的這種工時是多長合理的結案量又是多少\n127165\t134376\t那假如通常是能夠在上班時間之內來做,來服務,通常是這樣,那至於說\n141693\t159654\t在這個合理結案量我們內部正在明天就會召集一個一二三省包括法官協會的這個有關同仁啊一起來研究看一二三省的合理結案量到底多少\n159974\t183669\t好 秘書長您還是比較主張就是能夠遵循我們這個公務員服務法第12條這個每日辦公的時數8個小時那每週辦公總時數不超過40小時那應該也要40的這個週休二日我相信應該是這個目標可是我看起來目前應該是都沒辦法達成還是很難很難\n186611\t213888\t委員對不起報告委員其實我們司法院有定一個辦公時數規則就是完全遵循委員剛剛提示的那個公務員服務法的那個工時限制那因為我們的法官工作真的繁重加上社會期待高自我期許也高所以法官真的基於責任感都會自發性的在加班導致工時延長要不然就法規的架構而言我們都其實都有規定法定的辦公時數以外你再怎麼加班也不能夠超過每個月70小時好\n215109\t219970\t那從我們司法院的統計數據來看光是我們地方法院新收的這種各類的案件每年都在增加逐年增加到112年已經超過360萬件\n242515\t262551\t那法官每天都在追著案件跑面對眼前海量的這種案件每天的工作時間恐怕都超過十幾個小時那假日也幾乎都沒辦法正常的休假都在加班不只是這樣造成心理壓力的過大也會嚴重影響到這個法官的健康\n263325\t292590\t那減輕法官的這個工作負擔作為我們司法院司法改革的一個重點本席也曾經在第一次質詢的時候請教過秘書長秘書長當時答覆因為我們這個人力不足所以希望在原額上面能夠多加幫忙但是我想除了增補人力之外在分案上、程序上還有管考制度上應該都還有調整和改善的空間那也有一期檢討的這個必要性\n293070\t309022\t司法院開完這個檢討會議也不應該只停留在研議或是期盼那我想請教秘書長對於減輕法官的這個工作負擔的目標究竟何時能夠提出具體的改善措施有沒有規劃改善的這個時間表\n310443\t326730\t我們就是在一個內之內會呼應法官協會他提出來的就包括這個有關合理的結案還有就是說一些嚴考部分還有辦案期限要著量延長這樣\n334592\t347107\t那不只法官,基層的司法人員的處境也是應該要被受到尊重另外我們看到苗栗的地院有書記官,疑是因為過勞而不幸病逝\n347768\t373741\t那書記官的職責是將法官檢察官的工作予以書面格式化那書記官們在處理繁雜的這個行政文書工作現在也受到案件量暴增的這個影響每天處在水深火熱當中甚至導致身體出了狀況那我想請教秘書長對於書記官的過勞以及如何來改善書記官的勞動環境司法院有沒有相關的這個檢討\n375287\t378768\t我們這一部分當然就是說會齊頭並進關於人力部分當然我們會盡量來請行政部門、人總部門來協助內部我們也會盡量就是說\n397619\t397639\t好．\n413453\t428578\t那如果我們從人員上來看書記官似乎還有難以留才的這個問題我們從近幾年的這個數據上四等法院書記官的缺額是越來越開越多了錄取率也幾乎暴增\n429258\t432362\t司法院是否有掌握同仁離職的實際原因並擬定相應的流財措施?\n449152\t472759\t我跟委員報告我們每一個同仁不是只有書記官司法人員離職我們都會做離職原因的調查然後來彙整並且檢討改進然後我們書記官的問題就是司法人員最大的問題是他有很多核心工作不是一般的非限職人員可以取代跟行政機關不一樣\n473379\t502358\t像我們的很多的像書機關開庭打筆錄這件事情還有在筆錄上簽名這種都是具有訴訟法上效力的就沒有辦法用一般的就是所謂職務代理人或者是說非限職人員委外人力來取代所以現在問題在核心人力沒辦法取代所以為什麼我們一直拜託說要爭取中央機關總原額的提高因為這個法官增加輔助人力就要加兩倍所以等於一個法官增加要乘以三倍的原額如果原額不增加的話那司法機關真的沒有辦法再\n503658\t520383\t我們還是希望我們司法院能夠這個更加來重視我們基層司法人員的這個處境並且能夠加以善加來改善我們讓我們所有的人才可以留在\n520903\t538855\t司法體系當中來服務那也讓這個同仁在合理工作中負擔合理的工作量才是長久之計另外我想我們剛剛有談到這個原額的部分我想從過去的討論當中不管是司法院還是法務部都有共同一個點就是人力不足\n539235\t563693\t那希望增加人力的部分從現行的總額、元額來看屬於第三類的司法院及所屬機關元額最高為15000人作為第四類的這個法務部所屬的這個檢查機關則為6900人那未來如果要再增加元額我想請教秘書長我們這個人事總署是否會支持\n566968\t587840\t目前我們當然盡力就請他們來協助但是我覺得我還是很期盼就是說可能要一起來面對這種問題因為關於人民的司法受益錢這個是整個政府應該要一起去面對的\n589847\t617309\t那當然也有另外有提出限量婚案的這種聲音但是我們會覺得這個不管怎樣司法受益前這個要政府我們全體有關的相關政府機關應該要共同來面對共同面對這個一定要一起克服不是只有我們我們司法部門的責任好 謝謝秘書長那我同時也請教我們部長那對於我們法務部的部分我們原額增加的部分\n617757\t646059\t是否也會受到我們這個人事總署的這個支持謝謝委員關心那法務部所屬的機關尤其是檢查機關人力不足確實也是存在的那我們現在檢查機關的法定員額是6900位那目前剩下的只剩下286位的員額而已事實上也是缺乏要再增加總員法能夠修正提高所以我們也會努力的來爭取\n648624\t671418\t所以那對於我們這個司法院還有法務部的這個人力配置和運用我們都予以尊重那由於人力的不可能無限制的這種補充重點還是極大化原額運用的這種效益那配合有效減輕負荷的這種措施讓司法人員的壓力能夠確實得到舒緩我相信這才是我們要\n671718\t671758\t主席\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席那有請我們吳秘書長跟蔡部長請吳秘書長跟蔡部長\n好 秘書長、蔡部長 早辛苦了喔好 我想我們今天就這個司法體系透過這個行政簡化、訴訟減量還有我們這個科技運用來降低基層司法人員負擔作為一個專題的討論那我想在兩週前所發生的這個法官墜樓的事件\n令社會各界感到非常的萬喜其中我們看到李法官在生前曾經向他的妻子表達我很累的這種心聲那顯示法官長期在這種高工時高壓力的環境工作下也讓我們再一次聚焦司法官過勞和司法體系負荷過重的這個問題\n那本席在上週質詢我們司法院陳廳長的時候曾經詢問過他的工作壓力大不大啦齁那廳長以過來人的這個身份也表達了這個法官壓力確實是非常的大\n而我很累這個三個字也是目前所有法官的一個共同心聲那從這個憾事發生之後我們看到司法院在4月17號召開檢討會議其中作成一項決議參酌合法工時研議法官的這個合理結案量那我想請教秘書長您認為對法官來講合法的這種工時是多長合理的結案量又是多少\n那假如通常是能夠在上班時間之內來做,來服務,通常是這樣,那至於說\n在這個合理結案量我們內部正在明天就會召集一個一二三省包括法官協會的這個有關同仁啊一起來研究看一二三省的合理結案量到底多少\n好 秘書長您還是比較主張就是能夠遵循我們這個公務員服務法第12條這個每日辦公的時數8個小時那每週辦公總時數不超過40小時那應該也要40的這個週休二日我相信應該是這個目標可是我看起來目前應該是都沒辦法達成還是很難很難\n委員對不起報告委員其實我們司法院有定一個辦公時數規則就是完全遵循委員剛剛提示的那個公務員服務法的那個工時限制那因為我們的法官工作真的繁重加上社會期待高自我期許也高所以法官真的基於責任感都會自發性的在加班導致工時延長要不然就法規的架構而言我們都其實都有規定法定的辦公時數以外你再怎麼加班也不能夠超過每個月70小時好\n那從我們司法院的統計數據來看光是我們地方法院新收的這種各類的案件每年都在增加逐年增加到112年已經超過360萬件\n那法官每天都在追著案件跑面對眼前海量的這種案件每天的工作時間恐怕都超過十幾個小時那假日也幾乎都沒辦法正常的休假都在加班不只是這樣造成心理壓力的過大也會嚴重影響到這個法官的健康\n那減輕法官的這個工作負擔作為我們司法院司法改革的一個重點本席也曾經在第一次質詢的時候請教過秘書長秘書長當時答覆因為我們這個人力不足所以希望在原額上面能夠多加幫忙但是我想除了增補人力之外在分案上、程序上還有管考制度上應該都還有調整和改善的空間那也有一期檢討的這個必要性\n司法院開完這個檢討會議也不應該只停留在研議或是期盼那我想請教秘書長對於減輕法官的這個工作負擔的目標究竟何時能夠提出具體的改善措施有沒有規劃改善的這個時間表\n我們就是在一個內之內會呼應法官協會他提出來的就包括這個有關合理的結案還有就是說一些嚴考部分還有辦案期限要著量延長這樣\n那不只法官,基層的司法人員的處境也是應該要被受到尊重另外我們看到苗栗的地院有書記官,疑是因為過勞而不幸病逝\n那書記官的職責是將法官檢察官的工作予以書面格式化那書記官們在處理繁雜的這個行政文書工作現在也受到案件量暴增的這個影響每天處在水深火熱當中甚至導致身體出了狀況那我想請教秘書長對於書記官的過勞以及如何來改善書記官的勞動環境司法院有沒有相關的這個檢討\n我們這一部分當然就是說會齊頭並進關於人力部分當然我們會盡量來請行政部門、人總部門來協助內部我們也會盡量就是說\n好．\n那如果我們從人員上來看書記官似乎還有難以留才的這個問題我們從近幾年的這個數據上四等法院書記官的缺額是越來越開越多了錄取率也幾乎暴增\n司法院是否有掌握同仁離職的實際原因並擬定相應的流財措施?\n我跟委員報告我們每一個同仁不是只有書記官司法人員離職我們都會做離職原因的調查然後來彙整並且檢討改進然後我們書記官的問題就是司法人員最大的問題是他有很多核心工作不是一般的非限職人員可以取代跟行政機關不一樣\n像我們的很多的像書機關開庭打筆錄這件事情還有在筆錄上簽名這種都是具有訴訟法上效力的就沒有辦法用一般的就是所謂職務代理人或者是說非限職人員委外人力來取代所以現在問題在核心人力沒辦法取代所以為什麼我們一直拜託說要爭取中央機關總原額的提高因為這個法官增加輔助人力就要加兩倍所以等於一個法官增加要乘以三倍的原額如果原額不增加的話那司法機關真的沒有辦法再\n我們還是希望我們司法院能夠這個更加來重視我們基層司法人員的這個處境並且能夠加以善加來改善我們讓我們所有的人才可以留在\n司法體系當中來服務那也讓這個同仁在合理工作中負擔合理的工作量才是長久之計另外我想我們剛剛有談到這個原額的部分我想從過去的討論當中不管是司法院還是法務部都有共同一個點就是人力不足\n那希望增加人力的部分從現行的總額、元額來看屬於第三類的司法院及所屬機關元額最高為15000人作為第四類的這個法務部所屬的這個檢查機關則為6900人那未來如果要再增加元額我想請教秘書長我們這個人事總署是否會支持\n目前我們當然盡力就請他們來協助但是我覺得我還是很期盼就是說可能要一起來面對這種問題因為關於人民的司法受益錢這個是整個政府應該要一起去面對的\n那當然也有另外有提出限量婚案的這種聲音但是我們會覺得這個不管怎樣司法受益前這個要政府我們全體有關的相關政府機關應該要共同來面對共同面對這個一定要一起克服不是只有我們我們司法部門的責任好 謝謝秘書長那我同時也請教我們部長那對於我們法務部的部分我們原額增加的部分\n是否也會受到我們這個人事總署的這個支持謝謝委員關心那法務部所屬的機關尤其是檢查機關人力不足確實也是存在的那我們現在檢查機關的法定員額是6900位那目前剩下的只剩下286位的員額而已事實上也是缺乏要再增加總員法能夠修正提高所以我們也會努力的來爭取\n所以那對於我們這個司法院還有法務部的這個人力配置和運用我們都予以尊重那由於人力的不可能無限制的這種補充重點還是極大化原額運用的這種效益那配合有效減輕負荷的這種措施讓司法人員的壓力能夠確實得到舒緩我相信這才是我們要\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:21.822 --> 00:27.586\n好謝謝主席那有請我們吳秘書長跟蔡部長請吳秘書長跟蔡部長\n\n00:34.363 --> 00:58.800\n好秘書長、蔡部長早辛苦了喔好我想我們今天就這個司法體系透過這個行政簡化、訴訟減量還有我們這個科技運用來降低基層司法人員負擔作為一個專題的討論那我想在兩週前所發生的這個法官墜樓的事件\n\n00:59.941 --> 01:19.871\n令社會各界感到非常的萬喜其中我們看到李法官在生前曾經向他的妻子表達我很累的這種心聲那顯示法官長期在這種高工時高壓力的環境工作下也讓我們再一次聚焦司法官過勞和司法體系負荷過重的這個問題\n\n01:21.252 --> 01:35.423\n那本席在上週質詢我們司法院陳廳長的時候曾經詢問過他的工作壓力大不大啦齁那廳長以過來人的這個身份也表達了這個法官壓力確實是非常的大\n\n01:36.468 --> 02:04.694\n而我很累這個三個字也是目前所有法官的一個共同心聲那從這個憾事發生之後我們看到司法院在4月17號召開檢討會議其中作成一項決議參酌合法工時研議法官的這個合理結案量那我想請教秘書長您認為對法官來講合法的這種工時是多長合理的結案量又是多少\n\n02:07.165 --> 02:14.376\n那假如通常是能夠在上班時間之內來做,來服務,通常是這樣,那至於說\n\n02:21.693 --> 02:39.654\n在這個合理結案量我們內部正在明天就會召集一個一二三省包括法官協會的這個有關同仁啊一起來研究看一二三省的合理結案量到底多少\n\n02:39.974 --> 03:03.669\n好秘書長您還是比較主張就是能夠遵循我們這個公務員服務法第12條這個每日辦公的時數8個小時那每週辦公總時數不超過40小時那應該也要40的這個週休二日我相信應該是這個目標可是我看起來目前應該是都沒辦法達成還是很難很難\n\n03:06.611 --> 03:33.888\n委員對不起報告委員其實我們司法院有定一個辦公時數規則就是完全遵循委員剛剛提示的那個公務員服務法的那個工時限制那因為我們的法官工作真的繁重加上社會期待高自我期許也高所以法官真的基於責任感都會自發性的在加班導致工時延長要不然就法規的架構而言我們都其實都有規定法定的辦公時數以外你再怎麼加班也不能夠超過每個月70小時好\n\n03:35.109 --> 03:39.970\n那從我們司法院的統計數據來看光是我們地方法院新收的這種各類的案件每年都在增加逐年增加到112年已經超過360萬件\n\n04:02.515 --> 04:22.551\n那法官每天都在追著案件跑面對眼前海量的這種案件每天的工作時間恐怕都超過十幾個小時那假日也幾乎都沒辦法正常的休假都在加班不只是這樣造成心理壓力的過大也會嚴重影響到這個法官的健康\n\n04:23.325 --> 04:52.590\n那減輕法官的這個工作負擔作為我們司法院司法改革的一個重點本席也曾經在第一次質詢的時候請教過秘書長秘書長當時答覆因為我們這個人力不足所以希望在原額上面能夠多加幫忙但是我想除了增補人力之外在分案上、程序上還有管考制度上應該都還有調整和改善的空間那也有一期檢討的這個必要性\n\n04:53.070 --> 05:09.022\n司法院開完這個檢討會議也不應該只停留在研議或是期盼那我想請教秘書長對於減輕法官的這個工作負擔的目標究竟何時能夠提出具體的改善措施有沒有規劃改善的這個時間表\n\n05:10.443 --> 05:26.730\n我們就是在一個內之內會呼應法官協會他提出來的就包括這個有關合理的結案還有就是說一些嚴考部分還有辦案期限要著量延長這樣\n\n05:34.592 --> 05:47.107\n那不只法官,基層的司法人員的處境也是應該要被受到尊重另外我們看到苗栗的地院有書記官,疑是因為過勞而不幸病逝\n\n05:47.768 --> 06:13.741\n那書記官的職責是將法官檢察官的工作予以書面格式化那書記官們在處理繁雜的這個行政文書工作現在也受到案件量暴增的這個影響每天處在水深火熱當中甚至導致身體出了狀況那我想請教秘書長對於書記官的過勞以及如何來改善書記官的勞動環境司法院有沒有相關的這個檢討\n\n06:15.287 --> 06:18.768\n我們這一部分當然就是說會齊頭並進關於人力部分當然我們會盡量來請行政部門、人總部門來協助內部我們也會盡量就是說\n\n06:37.619 --> 06:37.639\n好．\n\n06:53.453 --> 07:08.578\n那如果我們從人員上來看書記官似乎還有難以留才的這個問題我們從近幾年的這個數據上四等法院書記官的缺額是越來越開越多了錄取率也幾乎暴增\n\n07:09.258 --> 07:12.362\n司法院是否有掌握同仁離職的實際原因並擬定相應的流財措施?\n\n07:29.152 --> 07:52.759\n我跟委員報告我們每一個同仁不是只有書記官司法人員離職我們都會做離職原因的調查然後來彙整並且檢討改進然後我們書記官的問題就是司法人員最大的問題是他有很多核心工作不是一般的非限職人員可以取代跟行政機關不一樣\n\n07:53.379 --> 08:22.358\n像我們的很多的像書機關開庭打筆錄這件事情還有在筆錄上簽名這種都是具有訴訟法上效力的就沒有辦法用一般的就是所謂職務代理人或者是說非限職人員委外人力來取代所以現在問題在核心人力沒辦法取代所以為什麼我們一直拜託說要爭取中央機關總原額的提高因為這個法官增加輔助人力就要加兩倍所以等於一個法官增加要乘以三倍的原額如果原額不增加的話那司法機關真的沒有辦法再\n\n08:23.658 --> 08:40.383\n我們還是希望我們司法院能夠這個更加來重視我們基層司法人員的這個處境並且能夠加以善加來改善我們讓我們所有的人才可以留在\n\n08:40.903 --> 08:58.855\n司法體系當中來服務那也讓這個同仁在合理工作中負擔合理的工作量才是長久之計另外我想我們剛剛有談到這個原額的部分我想從過去的討論當中不管是司法院還是法務部都有共同一個點就是人力不足\n\n08:59.235 --> 09:23.693\n那希望增加人力的部分從現行的總額、元額來看屬於第三類的司法院及所屬機關元額最高為15000人作為第四類的這個法務部所屬的這個檢查機關則為6900人那未來如果要再增加元額我想請教秘書長我們這個人事總署是否會支持\n\n09:26.968 --> 09:47.840\n目前我們當然盡力就請他們來協助但是我覺得我還是很期盼就是說可能要一起來面對這種問題因為關於人民的司法受益錢這個是整個政府應該要一起去面對的\n\n09:49.847 --> 10:17.309\n那當然也有另外有提出限量婚案的這種聲音但是我們會覺得這個不管怎樣司法受益前這個要政府我們全體有關的相關政府機關應該要共同來面對共同面對這個一定要一起克服不是只有我們我們司法部門的責任好謝謝秘書長那我同時也請教我們部長那對於我們法務部的部分我們原額增加的部分\n\n10:17.757 --> 10:46.059\n是否也會受到我們這個人事總署的這個支持謝謝委員關心那法務部所屬的機關尤其是檢查機關人力不足確實也是存在的那我們現在檢查機關的法定員額是6900位那目前剩下的只剩下286位的員額而已事實上也是缺乏要再增加總員法能夠修正提高所以我們也會努力的來爭取\n\n10:48.624 --> 11:11.418\n所以那對於我們這個司法院還有法務部的這個人力配置和運用我們都予以尊重那由於人力的不可能無限制的這種補充重點還是極大化原額運用的這種效益那配合有效減輕負荷的這種措施讓司法人員的壓力能夠確實得到舒緩我相信這才是我們要\n\n11:11.718 --> 11:11.758\n主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":21.822,"end":27.586,"text":"好 謝謝主席那有請我們吳秘書長跟蔡部長請吳秘書長跟蔡部長"},{"start":34.363,"end":58.8,"text":"好 秘書長、蔡部長 早辛苦了喔好 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