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00:01:24,906\n即便請辭那是一種禮貌性的請辭而不是一個強制的請辭所以在法律的解釋上也應當好好去看看大法官解釋的條文而我個人進一步的演繹在政權的交接但是蔡英文總統交接給賴清德未來的總統這畢竟還是同一個政黨\n\n4\n00:01:25,746 --> 00:01:26,306\n我先發表我的意見您同意我的論點嗎\n\n5\n00:01:51,977 --> 00:01:56,081\n我個人同意好謝謝秘書長那進入今天的主題我個人認為現在所發生很多司法人員壓力過大那不幸選擇輕生的狀況其實除了是為司法人員來減壓更重要的是也是要正面來提升司法品質\n\n6\n00:02:13,078 --> 00:02:15,139\n我提出了五個建議,很多也不是我的創建,我只是把它歸納。為司法人員減壓,我們需要再做人力的改革。\n\n7\n00:02:33,291 --> 00:02:50,984\n第一大建議,你就要去攬財嘛,對不對?增補司法人力,那你去調整組織元額,我當然支持修法,而雙方政府機關總元額法要修就來修。但是呢,在現有的考試禁用跟多元禁用雙款旗下,我們是不是可以做得更多做得更好,在攬財面?\n\n8\n00:02:52,365 --> 00:03:16,682\n第2個建議是我們是不是可以考慮對於司法人員的待遇是不是能夠做調整來增加人員的留任意願我不曉得你們有沒有研究這個部分我的經驗我長期在教育文化委員會我們今天討論司法人員減壓其實在大學的教授、副教授、助理教授的減壓工作量太大其實都\n\n9\n00:03:18,396 --> 00:03:44,359\n是同樣可以適用這個經驗所以教育部提出了很多為大學的高教的老師提升他的待遇給予他新的誘因比如說我們給予了彈性薪資的方案我們給予其他的研究的補貼都是讓這些現役的教育人員今天在這裡是司法人員增加他的留才的意願我想待遇面也是一個可以考慮的面向對不對\n\n10\n00:03:45,270 --> 00:04:10,331\n第三個建議．如何來有效解決濫訴的問題．減少案源他跟第四點是相關的．就是落實金字塔型的訴訟制度．來適度調整裁判的費用我稍後來跟您論述細節最後一個．我們現在有的員工這個EAP協助方案．是不是接得住每一個司法人員的具體需求呢五大面向\n\n11\n00:04:11,232 --> 00:04:13,574\n司法人員的出走潮我的辦公室整理這個題目大概花了一個月的時間\n\n12\n00:04:31,992 --> 00:04:52,713\n針對司法院的法院人員近10年的離職統計出走575人法務部的檢察機關人員近10年出走431人加起來司法人員的出走潮是近10年破千人所以我才說剛剛的五大改進方案要趕快來做\n\n13\n00:04:53,354 --> 00:05:10,279\n我們要遇財、攬財、和其困難那你至少留財要做得精準一點可是人才留不住啊司法人員不管是司法院的法官人員或者是我們的法務部主管的檢查機關的人員近十年出走破千人這當然要慎重來因應他下一頁\n\n14\n00:05:15,273 --> 00:05:26,161\n我進一步來看這是你們提供的資料司法人員的缺人荒啊就法官含庭長需求人數這是2024新的數字就缺了499個法官\n\n15\n00:05:28,208 --> 00:05:47,035\n那連同整個輔助人力、司法事務官乃至於你們家事調查官等等司法機關迫切需求緣額表2024年你們需求人力是5536人法官就五百欸這怕死人欸那這是你們提供的資料這是一個嚴重的缺人的警訊嘛好下一頁\n\n16\n00:05:56,738 --> 00:06:01,060\n那以剛剛那個表來講光法官就欠499人將近500人我再以這20年來我分兩個10年來統計前一個10年2004到2013年法官的增減人數前一個10年只增加301人\n\n17\n00:06:14,787 --> 00:06:28,474\n後一個十年就是2014到現在的2023﹖法官增加的人員變一半捏只增加155人換言之我們的懶財比起前一個十年少了一半\n\n18\n00:06:29,830 --> 00:06:47,865\n所以花20年才能夠補上539人左右可是光法官你現在很珠息就欠被狗爸郎所以換言之你要再補個20年才有可能把它補滿所以剛剛的五大建議五個建議缺一不可\n\n19\n00:06:48,746 --> 00:07:17,678\n我這些背景研究都是再一次分享給大家讓社會好好來面對這一個我們不得不面對的真相為了讓我們的司法品質更好可以攬財可以留財下一頁好那我們來講攬財考試禁用跟多元禁用秘書長你覺得哪一個禁用的這個效益高一點不要講效益啦不要把人力當效益不要把人才當效益但是以他的養成\n\n20\n00:07:22,567 --> 00:07:33,841\n因為時間有限其實真的我們主要來源還是考試禁用考試禁用快七成但是事實上一個考試禁用大概你培育他的人力至少要八年的時間\n\n21\n00:07:35,441 --> 00:07:57,416\n好你這裡有嘛對不對之前研習候補期間跟試數期間加起來八檔啦但是多元禁用時間就大幅的減少因為它很多是現役有其他經驗的律師轉任啦司法人員轉任等等所以多元禁用是一個急佔力下一頁可是問題就在這裡啦考試禁用6乘5\n\n22\n00:07:58,817 --> 00:08:12,473\n你的多元禁用只有3乘5集戰力的補強只有3乘5就代表又回到我剛剛的五大建議了你是不是讓大家不要這麼重的loading然後薪水可以合理一點那個訴訟的這個案源減少一點\n\n23\n00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:32,861\n這都是關鍵所以我們在考試禁用之外多元禁用可不可以給誘因教育部就是這樣幹的我們不只在台灣要讓高教人才從民間攬進來我們還要跟國外攬才所以教育部開啟了很多\n\n24\n00:08:33,402 --> 00:08:33,442\n下一頁\n\n25\n00:09:02,526 --> 00:09:23,861\n好這就案源案量了這剛剛可能很多委員都提到我就講重點平均啊我們每年新收案363萬件其中314萬是民事案件49萬是刑事案件每年的新收案還不管他的手上的未結案件平均每一位法官我是扣除最高法院的法官跟院長哦\n\n26\n00:09:24,722 --> 00:09:44,150\n平均每位法官是1比1665就一個人手上的新收案件加未結案件一個人要搞1665件至少這樣壓力不大才怪我不想跳槽才怪我不想出走才怪這都是問題所以如何減少案源呢下一頁\n\n27\n00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:58,549\n這個我也是去調查才了解我真的是司法法制委員的菜鳥我能做的就是不斷的去研究找資料這是我看到的民事訴訟裁判費的基準收費基準21年沒有調秘書長21年沒有調對不對\n\n28\n00:10:02,714 --> 00:10:24,144\n所以現在這個訴訟的成本就假啦非財產案件第一審只要三千塊第二三審只要交四千五百塊財產類的這個民事訴訟的裁判費的試算我這裡都試算出來了他依不同的這個訴訟標的金額標的金額所以這21年沒有改這能不能調整啊這個我們民事我們會研議來要不然大家覺得\n\n29\n00:10:33,510 --> 00:10:40,216\n走法院成本很低我就隨便告我今天看中嘉賓不太開心我就\n\n30\n00:10:44,211 --> 00:11:04,517\n委員這部分我們會研議調整但是因為訴訟費用的徵收跟法律輔助是相結合對我懂我懂這是要連帶去思考但是如果以一個21年沒有調整我也一併提供給你們思考看看好嗎好我進到最後一下\n\n31\n00:11:05,217 --> 00:11:29,737\n我剛講的流財、育財、懶財是前端、最後端心理健康的關懷方案我很快把我觀察到的問題分享給你們這裡包括法務部也有法務部那個問題更大法院、司法院確實有心理健康關懷方案每一個人最高補助每次2500塊一年最多可以看8次你如果有特殊需求可以去看12次的心理諮商非常好可是只有法官\n\n32\n00:11:30,638 --> 00:11:44,134\n法官優先沒有你如果是司法事務官、書記官、法官助理跟其他職工如果需要去試用的話需要向他該庭的院長申請右邊這個是你們的協助方案的公告\n\n33\n00:11:45,703 --> 00:12:11,461\n對,報告委員,就是說這個部分所有的人員都適用確定?確定,好那你去檢視我所知道的法官是優於去適用的其他非法官的身份是比較困難的,沒關係這個是我調查到的,是你們內部的人告訴我的好不好,這司法院,下一個部長,對不起下一頁,最後一頁部長,剛剛法院有心理健康關懷方案檢察官沒有\n\n34\n00:12:15,134 --> 00:12:40,184\n法務部也有有有一個員工協助方案就是上面的協助方案可是沒有跟剛剛司法官一樣去藉助外部的心理諮商我都列出來了這個也可以運用外部的諮商但Friendly跟效能上有差啦是我們一起來研究一下讓他做得更好好嗎好不好做得更好好嗎謝謝主席多給我時間因為這一題太重大了那五大建議兩個月內給我一個精進的報告好謝謝辛苦了謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5978\t25695\t謝謝主席,有請秘書長有請吳秘書長秘書長,剛剛這個黃國昌總召有提到那因應如果政權總統要交接是不是司法院院長依憲政慣例就強制應當要一併來請辭請問有這樣的憲政慣例嗎\n32392\t34754\t法定人數不足\n62692\t84906\t即便請辭那是一種禮貌性的請辭而不是一個強制的請辭所以在法律的解釋上也應當好好去看看大法官解釋的條文而我個人進一步的演繹在政權的交接但是蔡英文總統交接給賴清德未來的總統這畢竟還是同一個政黨\n85746\t86306\t我先發表我的意見 您同意我的論點嗎\n111977\t116081\t我個人同意好 謝謝秘書長那進入今天的主題我個人認為現在所發生很多司法人員壓力過大那不幸選擇輕生的狀況其實除了是為司法人員來減壓更重要的是也是要正面來提升司法品質\n133078\t135139\t我提出了五個建議,很多也不是我的創建,我只是把它歸納。為司法人員減壓,我們需要再做人力的改革。\n153291\t170984\t第一大建議,你就要去攬財嘛,對不對?增補司法人力,那你去調整組織元額,我當然支持修法,而雙方政府機關總元額法要修就來修。但是呢,在現有的考試禁用跟多元禁用雙款旗下,我們是不是可以做得更多做得更好,在攬財面?\n172365\t196682\t第2個建議是我們是不是可以考慮對於司法人員的待遇是不是能夠做調整來增加人員的留任意願我不曉得你們有沒有研究這個部分我的經驗我長期在教育文化委員會我們今天討論司法人員減壓其實在大學的教授、副教授、助理教授的減壓工作量太大其實都\n198396\t224359\t是同樣可以適用這個經驗所以教育部提出了很多為大學的高教的老師提升他的待遇給予他新的誘因比如說我們給予了彈性薪資的方案我們給予其他的研究的補貼都是讓這些現役的教育人員今天在這裡是司法人員增加他的留才的意願我想待遇面也是一個可以考慮的面向 對不對\n225270\t250331\t第三個建議．如何來有效解決濫訴的問題．減少案源他跟第四點是相關的．就是落實金字塔型的訴訟制度．來適度調整裁判的費用我稍後來跟您論述細節最後一個．我們現在有的員工這個EAP協助方案．是不是接得住每一個司法人員的具體需求呢五大面向\n251232\t253574\t司法人員的出走潮我的辦公室整理這個題目大概花了一個月的時間\n271992\t292713\t針對司法院的法院人員近10年的離職統計出走575人法務部的檢察機關人員近10年出走431人加起來司法人員的出走潮是近10年破千人所以我才說剛剛的五大改進方案要趕快來做\n293354\t310279\t我們要遇財、攬財、和其困難那你至少留財要做得精準一點可是人才留不住啊司法人員不管是司法院的法官人員或者是我們的法務部主管的檢查機關的人員近十年出走破千人這當然要慎重來因應他下一頁\n315273\t326161\t我進一步來看這是你們提供的資料司法人員的缺人荒啊就法官含庭長需求人數這是2024新的數字就缺了499個法官\n328208\t347035\t那連同整個輔助人力、司法事務官乃至於你們家事調查官等等司法機關迫切需求緣額表2024年你們需求人力是5536人法官就五百欸這怕死人欸那這是你們提供的資料這是一個嚴重的缺人的警訊嘛好 下一頁\n356738\t361060\t那以剛剛那個表來講光法官就欠499人將近500人我再以這20年來我分兩個10年來統計前一個10年2004到2013年法官的增減人數前一個10年只增加301人\n374787\t388474\t後一個十年就是2014到現在的2023﹖法官增加的人員變一半捏只增加155人換言之我們的懶財比起前一個十年少了一半\n389830\t407865\t所以花20年才能夠補上539人左右可是光法官你現在很珠息就欠被狗爸郎所以換言之你要再補個20年才有可能把它補滿所以剛剛的五大建議五個建議缺一不可\n408746\t437678\t我這些背景研究都是再一次分享給大家讓社會好好來面對這一個我們不得不面對的真相為了讓我們的司法品質更好可以攬財可以留財下一頁好那我們來講攬財考試禁用跟多元禁用秘書長你覺得哪一個禁用的這個效益高一點不要講效益啦不要把人力當效益不要把人才當效益但是以他的養成\n442567\t453841\t因為時間有限其實真的我們主要來源還是考試禁用考試禁用快七成但是事實上一個考試禁用大概你培育他的人力至少要八年的時間\n455441\t477416\t好 你這裡有嘛 對不對之前研習候補期間跟試數期間加起來八檔啦但是多元禁用時間就大幅的減少因為它很多是現役有其他經驗的律師轉任啦 司法人員轉任等等所以多元禁用是一個急佔力下一頁可是問題就在這裡啦考試禁用6乘5\n478817\t492473\t你的多元禁用只有3乘5集戰力的補強只有3乘5就代表又回到我剛剛的五大建議了你是不是讓大家不要這麼重的loading然後薪水可以合理一點那個訴訟的這個案源減少一點\n497199\t512861\t這都是關鍵所以我們在考試禁用之外多元禁用可不可以給誘因教育部就是這樣幹的我們不只在台灣要讓高教人才從民間攬進來我們還要跟國外攬才所以教育部開啟了很多\n513402\t513442\t下一頁\n542526\t563861\t好這就案源案量了這剛剛可能很多委員都提到我就講重點平均啊我們每年新收案363萬件其中314萬是民事案件49萬是刑事案件每年的新收案還不管他的手上的未結案件平均每一位法官我是扣除最高法院的法官跟院長哦\n564722\t584150\t平均每位法官是1比1665就一個人手上的新收案件加未結案件一個人要搞1665件至少這樣壓力不大才怪我不想跳槽才怪我不想出走才怪這都是問題所以如何減少案源呢下一頁\n586020\t598549\t這個我也是去調查才了解我真的是司法法制委員的菜鳥我能做的就是不斷的去研究找資料這是我看到的民事訴訟裁判費的基準收費基準21年沒有調秘書長21年沒有調對不對\n602714\t624144\t所以現在這個訴訟的成本就假啦非財產案件第一審只要三千塊第二三審只要交四千五百塊財產類的這個民事訴訟的裁判費的試算我這裡都試算出來了他依不同的這個訴訟標的金額標的金額所以這21年沒有改這能不能調整啊這個我們民事我們會研議來要不然大家覺得\n633510\t640216\t走法院成本很低我就隨便告我今天看中嘉賓不太開心我就\n644211\t664517\t委員這部分我們會研議調整但是因為訴訟費用的徵收跟法律輔助是相結合對我懂我懂這是要連帶去思考但是如果以一個21年沒有調整我也一併提供給你們思考看看好嗎好我進到最後一下\n665217\t689737\t我剛講的流財、育財、懶財是前端、最後端心理健康的關懷方案我很快把我觀察到的問題分享給你們這裡包括法務部也有法務部那個問題更大法院、司法院確實有心理健康關懷方案每一個人最高補助每次2500塊一年最多可以看8次你如果有特殊需求可以去看12次的心理諮商非常好可是只有法官\n690638\t704134\t法官優先沒有你如果是司法事務官、書記官、法官助理跟其他職工如果需要去試用的話需要向他該庭的院長申請右邊這個是你們的協助方案的公告\n705703\t731461\t對,報告委員,就是說這個部分所有的人員都適用確定?確定,好那你去檢視我所知道的法官是優於去適用的其他非法官的身份是比較困難的,沒關係這個是我調查到的,是你們內部的人告訴我的好不好,這司法院,下一個部長,對不起下一頁,最後一頁部長,剛剛法院有心理健康關懷方案檢察官沒有\n735134\t760184\t法務部也有有有一個員工協助方案就是上面的協助方案可是沒有跟剛剛司法官一樣去藉助外部的心理諮商我都列出來了這個也可以運用外部的諮商但Friendly跟效能上有差啦是我們一起來研究一下讓他做得更好好嗎好不好做得更好好嗎謝謝主席多給我時間因為這一題太重大了那五大建議兩個月內給我一個精進的報告好謝謝辛苦了謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請秘書長有請吳秘書長秘書長,剛剛這個黃國昌總召有提到那因應如果政權總統要交接是不是司法院院長依憲政慣例就強制應當要一併來請辭請問有這樣的憲政慣例嗎\n法定人數不足\n即便請辭那是一種禮貌性的請辭而不是一個強制的請辭所以在法律的解釋上也應當好好去看看大法官解釋的條文而我個人進一步的演繹在政權的交接但是蔡英文總統交接給賴清德未來的總統這畢竟還是同一個政黨\n我先發表我的意見 您同意我的論點嗎\n我個人同意好 謝謝秘書長那進入今天的主題我個人認為現在所發生很多司法人員壓力過大那不幸選擇輕生的狀況其實除了是為司法人員來減壓更重要的是也是要正面來提升司法品質\n我提出了五個建議,很多也不是我的創建,我只是把它歸納。為司法人員減壓,我們需要再做人力的改革。\n第一大建議,你就要去攬財嘛,對不對?增補司法人力,那你去調整組織元額,我當然支持修法,而雙方政府機關總元額法要修就來修。但是呢,在現有的考試禁用跟多元禁用雙款旗下,我們是不是可以做得更多做得更好,在攬財面?\n第2個建議是我們是不是可以考慮對於司法人員的待遇是不是能夠做調整來增加人員的留任意願我不曉得你們有沒有研究這個部分我的經驗我長期在教育文化委員會我們今天討論司法人員減壓其實在大學的教授、副教授、助理教授的減壓工作量太大其實都\n是同樣可以適用這個經驗所以教育部提出了很多為大學的高教的老師提升他的待遇給予他新的誘因比如說我們給予了彈性薪資的方案我們給予其他的研究的補貼都是讓這些現役的教育人員今天在這裡是司法人員增加他的留才的意願我想待遇面也是一個可以考慮的面向 對不對\n第三個建議．如何來有效解決濫訴的問題．減少案源他跟第四點是相關的．就是落實金字塔型的訴訟制度．來適度調整裁判的費用我稍後來跟您論述細節最後一個．我們現在有的員工這個EAP協助方案．是不是接得住每一個司法人員的具體需求呢五大面向\n司法人員的出走潮我的辦公室整理這個題目大概花了一個月的時間\n針對司法院的法院人員近10年的離職統計出走575人法務部的檢察機關人員近10年出走431人加起來司法人員的出走潮是近10年破千人所以我才說剛剛的五大改進方案要趕快來做\n我們要遇財、攬財、和其困難那你至少留財要做得精準一點可是人才留不住啊司法人員不管是司法院的法官人員或者是我們的法務部主管的檢查機關的人員近十年出走破千人這當然要慎重來因應他下一頁\n我進一步來看這是你們提供的資料司法人員的缺人荒啊就法官含庭長需求人數這是2024新的數字就缺了499個法官\n那連同整個輔助人力、司法事務官乃至於你們家事調查官等等司法機關迫切需求緣額表2024年你們需求人力是5536人法官就五百欸這怕死人欸那這是你們提供的資料這是一個嚴重的缺人的警訊嘛好 下一頁\n那以剛剛那個表來講光法官就欠499人將近500人我再以這20年來我分兩個10年來統計前一個10年2004到2013年法官的增減人數前一個10年只增加301人\n後一個十年就是2014到現在的2023﹖法官增加的人員變一半捏只增加155人換言之我們的懶財比起前一個十年少了一半\n所以花20年才能夠補上539人左右可是光法官你現在很珠息就欠被狗爸郎所以換言之你要再補個20年才有可能把它補滿所以剛剛的五大建議五個建議缺一不可\n我這些背景研究都是再一次分享給大家讓社會好好來面對這一個我們不得不面對的真相為了讓我們的司法品質更好可以攬財可以留財下一頁好那我們來講攬財考試禁用跟多元禁用秘書長你覺得哪一個禁用的這個效益高一點不要講效益啦不要把人力當效益不要把人才當效益但是以他的養成\n因為時間有限其實真的我們主要來源還是考試禁用考試禁用快七成但是事實上一個考試禁用大概你培育他的人力至少要八年的時間\n好 你這裡有嘛 對不對之前研習候補期間跟試數期間加起來八檔啦但是多元禁用時間就大幅的減少因為它很多是現役有其他經驗的律師轉任啦 司法人員轉任等等所以多元禁用是一個急佔力下一頁可是問題就在這裡啦考試禁用6乘5\n你的多元禁用只有3乘5集戰力的補強只有3乘5就代表又回到我剛剛的五大建議了你是不是讓大家不要這麼重的loading然後薪水可以合理一點那個訴訟的這個案源減少一點\n這都是關鍵所以我們在考試禁用之外多元禁用可不可以給誘因教育部就是這樣幹的我們不只在台灣要讓高教人才從民間攬進來我們還要跟國外攬才所以教育部開啟了很多\n下一頁\n好這就案源案量了這剛剛可能很多委員都提到我就講重點平均啊我們每年新收案363萬件其中314萬是民事案件49萬是刑事案件每年的新收案還不管他的手上的未結案件平均每一位法官我是扣除最高法院的法官跟院長哦\n平均每位法官是1比1665就一個人手上的新收案件加未結案件一個人要搞1665件至少這樣壓力不大才怪我不想跳槽才怪我不想出走才怪這都是問題所以如何減少案源呢下一頁\n這個我也是去調查才了解我真的是司法法制委員的菜鳥我能做的就是不斷的去研究找資料這是我看到的民事訴訟裁判費的基準收費基準21年沒有調秘書長21年沒有調對不對\n所以現在這個訴訟的成本就假啦非財產案件第一審只要三千塊第二三審只要交四千五百塊財產類的這個民事訴訟的裁判費的試算我這裡都試算出來了他依不同的這個訴訟標的金額標的金額所以這21年沒有改這能不能調整啊這個我們民事我們會研議來要不然大家覺得\n走法院成本很低我就隨便告我今天看中嘉賓不太開心我就\n委員這部分我們會研議調整但是因為訴訟費用的徵收跟法律輔助是相結合對我懂我懂這是要連帶去思考但是如果以一個21年沒有調整我也一併提供給你們思考看看好嗎好我進到最後一下\n我剛講的流財、育財、懶財是前端、最後端心理健康的關懷方案我很快把我觀察到的問題分享給你們這裡包括法務部也有法務部那個問題更大法院、司法院確實有心理健康關懷方案每一個人最高補助每次2500塊一年最多可以看8次你如果有特殊需求可以去看12次的心理諮商非常好可是只有法官\n法官優先沒有你如果是司法事務官、書記官、法官助理跟其他職工如果需要去試用的話需要向他該庭的院長申請右邊這個是你們的協助方案的公告\n對,報告委員,就是說這個部分所有的人員都適用確定?確定,好那你去檢視我所知道的法官是優於去適用的其他非法官的身份是比較困難的,沒關係這個是我調查到的,是你們內部的人告訴我的好不好,這司法院,下一個部長,對不起下一頁,最後一頁部長,剛剛法院有心理健康關懷方案檢察官沒有\n法務部也有有有一個員工協助方案就是上面的協助方案可是沒有跟剛剛司法官一樣去藉助外部的心理諮商我都列出來了這個也可以運用外部的諮商但Friendly跟效能上有差啦是我們一起來研究一下讓他做得更好好嗎好不好做得更好好嗎謝謝主席多給我時間因為這一題太重大了那五大建議兩個月內給我一個精進的報告好謝謝辛苦了謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.978 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謝謝秘書長那進入今天的主題我個人認為現在所發生很多司法人員壓力過大那不幸選擇輕生的狀況其實除了是為司法人員來減壓更重要的是也是要正面來提升司法品質"},{"start":133.078,"end":135.139,"text":"我提出了五個建議,很多也不是我的創建,我只是把它歸納。為司法人員減壓,我們需要再做人力的改革。"},{"start":153.291,"end":170.984,"text":"第一大建議,你就要去攬財嘛,對不對?增補司法人力,那你去調整組織元額,我當然支持修法,而雙方政府機關總元額法要修就來修。但是呢,在現有的考試禁用跟多元禁用雙款旗下,我們是不是可以做得更多做得更好,在攬財面?"},{"start":172.365,"end":196.682,"text":"第2個建議是我們是不是可以考慮對於司法人員的待遇是不是能夠做調整來增加人員的留任意願我不曉得你們有沒有研究這個部分我的經驗我長期在教育文化委員會我們今天討論司法人員減壓其實在大學的教授、副教授、助理教授的減壓工作量太大其實都"},{"start":198.396,"end":224.359,"text":"是同樣可以適用這個經驗所以教育部提出了很多為大學的高教的老師提升他的待遇給予他新的誘因比如說我們給予了彈性薪資的方案我們給予其他的研究的補貼都是讓這些現役的教育人員今天在這裡是司法人員增加他的留才的意願我想待遇面也是一個可以考慮的面向 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下一頁"},{"start":356.738,"end":361.06,"text":"那以剛剛那個表來講光法官就欠499人將近500人我再以這20年來我分兩個10年來統計前一個10年2004到2013年法官的增減人數前一個10年只增加301人"},{"start":374.787,"end":388.474,"text":"後一個十年就是2014到現在的2023﹖法官增加的人員變一半捏只增加155人換言之我們的懶財比起前一個十年少了一半"},{"start":389.83,"end":407.865,"text":"所以花20年才能夠補上539人左右可是光法官你現在很珠息就欠被狗爸郎所以換言之你要再補個20年才有可能把它補滿所以剛剛的五大建議五個建議缺一不可"},{"start":408.746,"end":437.678,"text":"我這些背景研究都是再一次分享給大家讓社會好好來面對這一個我們不得不面對的真相為了讓我們的司法品質更好可以攬財可以留財下一頁好那我們來講攬財考試禁用跟多元禁用秘書長你覺得哪一個禁用的這個效益高一點不要講效益啦不要把人力當效益不要把人才當效益但是以他的養成"},{"start":442.567,"end":453.841,"text":"因為時間有限其實真的我們主要來源還是考試禁用考試禁用快七成但是事實上一個考試禁用大概你培育他的人力至少要八年的時間"},{"start":455.441,"end":477.416,"text":"好 你這裡有嘛 對不對之前研習候補期間跟試數期間加起來八檔啦但是多元禁用時間就大幅的減少因為它很多是現役有其他經驗的律師轉任啦 司法人員轉任等等所以多元禁用是一個急佔力下一頁可是問題就在這裡啦考試禁用6乘5"},{"start":478.817,"end":492.473,"text":"你的多元禁用只有3乘5集戰力的補強只有3乘5就代表又回到我剛剛的五大建議了你是不是讓大家不要這麼重的loading然後薪水可以合理一點那個訴訟的這個案源減少一點"},{"start":497.199,"end":512.861,"text":"這都是關鍵所以我們在考試禁用之外多元禁用可不可以給誘因教育部就是這樣幹的我們不只在台灣要讓高教人才從民間攬進來我們還要跟國外攬才所以教育部開啟了很多"},{"start":513.402,"end":513.442,"text":"下一頁"},{"start":542.526,"end":563.861,"text":"好這就案源案量了這剛剛可能很多委員都提到我就講重點平均啊我們每年新收案363萬件其中314萬是民事案件49萬是刑事案件每年的新收案還不管他的手上的未結案件平均每一位法官我是扣除最高法院的法官跟院長哦"},{"start":564.722,"end":584.15,"text":"平均每位法官是1比1665就一個人手上的新收案件加未結案件一個人要搞1665件至少這樣壓力不大才怪我不想跳槽才怪我不想出走才怪這都是問題所以如何減少案源呢下一頁"},{"start":586.02,"end":598.549,"text":"這個我也是去調查才了解我真的是司法法制委員的菜鳥我能做的就是不斷的去研究找資料這是我看到的民事訴訟裁判費的基準收費基準21年沒有調秘書長21年沒有調對不對"},{"start":602.714,"end":624.144,"text":"所以現在這個訴訟的成本就假啦非財產案件第一審只要三千塊第二三審只要交四千五百塊財產類的這個民事訴訟的裁判費的試算我這裡都試算出來了他依不同的這個訴訟標的金額標的金額所以這21年沒有改這能不能調整啊這個我們民事我們會研議來要不然大家覺得"},{"start":633.51,"end":640.216,"text":"走法院成本很低我就隨便告我今天看中嘉賓不太開心我就"},{"start":644.211,"end":664.517,"text":"委員這部分我們會研議調整但是因為訴訟費用的徵收跟法律輔助是相結合對我懂我懂這是要連帶去思考但是如果以一個21年沒有調整我也一併提供給你們思考看看好嗎好我進到最後一下"},{"start":665.217,"end":689.737,"text":"我剛講的流財、育財、懶財是前端、最後端心理健康的關懷方案我很快把我觀察到的問題分享給你們這裡包括法務部也有法務部那個問題更大法院、司法院確實有心理健康關懷方案每一個人最高補助每次2500塊一年最多可以看8次你如果有特殊需求可以去看12次的心理諮商非常好可是只有法官"},{"start":690.638,"end":704.134,"text":"法官優先沒有你如果是司法事務官、書記官、法官助理跟其他職工如果需要去試用的話需要向他該庭的院長申請右邊這個是你們的協助方案的公告"},{"start":705.703,"end":731.461,"text":"對,報告委員,就是說這個部分所有的人員都適用確定?確定,好那你去檢視我所知道的法官是優於去適用的其他非法官的身份是比較困難的,沒關係這個是我調查到的,是你們內部的人告訴我的好不好,這司法院,下一個部長,對不起下一頁,最後一頁部長,剛剛法院有心理健康關懷方案檢察官沒有"},{"start":735.134,"end":760.184,"text":"法務部也有有有一個員工協助方案就是上面的協助方案可是沒有跟剛剛司法官一樣去藉助外部的心理諮商我都列出來了這個也可以運用外部的諮商但Friendly跟效能上有差啦是我們一起來研究一下讓他做得更好好嗎好不好做得更好好嗎謝謝主席多給我時間因為這一題太重大了那五大建議兩個月內給我一個精進的報告好謝謝辛苦了謝謝"}]}}}}