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00:01:07,441\n那個水勢所的船今年上半年它有一些故障另外就是有些時候是海象的問題天氣氣候的問題那麼我跟委員說明其實我們最近做了一些很大的努力\n\n4\n00:01:08,421 --> 00:01:22,626\n二、我去拜訪國科會主委那他下面的法人是海洋中心那麼他有這個海洋船利靜號那麼我們將來因為利靜號是做學校老師科研人員的這個科學檢測那麼我們\n\n5\n00:01:27,068 --> 00:01:41,286\n大概輻射偵測中心會有人去陪同去取海水所以會不定期的增加評次跟點位所以會把原來107點以外\n\n6\n00:01:44,871 --> 00:01:59,668\n還會根據他們不同的船的行程再去補足一些的點所以這大概是什麼時候會開始啟動我想很快6月就會開始6月就開始所以我們接下來下次等我6月之後再去看到的時候這些應該都會有一些更新都應該是更新了對嗎是\n\n7\n00:02:01,718 --> 00:02:02,639\n核安會113年總預算\n\n8\n00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,001\n中央政府總預算有關核能安全委員會主管預算\n\n9\n00:02:45,130 --> 00:03:12,378\n現在的公務人力會欲缺不補日後都會是需求改用這個願聘人力所以呢這個核安會的人事費補助就僅限於這些公務人力那之後改為願聘人員之後是不是這些所有的願聘人員的人事費都是由國務院院來自籌也就是說核安會過去補助給國務院院的人事費用會逐年的來遞減到最後一位公務人員退休就會歸零了嗎\n\n10\n00:03:15,052 --> 00:03:28,942\n這個是這樣子國研院現在是行政法人那麼跟財團法人是有相似的性質但是原來國研院是核菸索他們全部都是公務人員所以目前\n\n11\n00:03:29,782 --> 00:03:47,552\n除了公務人員有相當大的量應該大概是7比3其實主委這一題我只想要確認一下就是說我們接下來因為剛剛講了嘛就是說因為行政人、行政法人嘛說他開始自籌嘛所以過去我們補助的這些人士費用隨著公務人員退場之後我們應該就不會再去補助了是嗎?\n\n12\n00:03:48,532 --> 00:04:10,604\n是的但是我跟委員報告就是部會跟法人通常的關係會藉由計劃那麼人員的薪水有一些是在計劃裡面付的所以它可以編多少人力這就是計劃人力的部分而已嘛對不對而且計劃人力它有不同的rank不同的職稱它可以很高的\n\n13\n00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:25,150\n對它也可以是一般平常計劃的利潤那其實這一題我主要是想要接續的來問就是說因為我們必須要自籌了可是我也看到說我們國研院自籌經費卻是逐年在下降的105年的時候還有10.5億那到112年只剩下7.4億\n\n14\n00:04:30,152 --> 00:04:47,772\n所以就變成說接下來國研院可能要自籌10億喔他才有辦法去支付他現在的一個人事支出所以我想要了解我們自籌款到底是為什麼下降了那我們如果他真的持續下降那核安會真的有辦法逐年減少這些人事的補助嗎\n\n15\n00:04:50,481 --> 00:05:09,602\n那個我先打一下這個逐年下降是有人離開離職大部分是退休所以他是漸進式的他不會是一下子全部變沒有委員聽得懂我意思嗎所以這個人事費他會逐年的遞減\n\n16\n00:05:11,227 --> 00:05:38,586\n對我知道但是我們現在講的是自籌的部分嘛因為我們需要有自籌能力啊因為現在夏林可能就不會再補助他這些公務人力了嘛所以就是你現在自籌能力是逐年下降的啊那這個原因是什麼報告委員那個因為我們原來從核能就核電相關的計畫得到比較多的計畫就是比對於105年開始那因為電廠也逐漸這個停掉嘛停止運轉所以我們\n\n17\n00:05:40,247 --> 00:05:59,080\n的一些相關的委託計畫也跟著萎縮所以萎縮了大概兩成到三成所以到目前這幾年都維持大概7億那這樣就會有一個問題接下來我們還是會努力就是想辦法再去找其他像新能源或者其他\n\n18\n00:05:59,420 --> 00:06:00,461\n核能安全委員會主管預算\n\n19\n00:06:29,801 --> 00:06:47,342\n對國研院其實還不夠熟悉我不太知道你們平常研究出什麼樣子的成果所以我就去看了一下我們現在的著作數量我們的數量其實是持續在下降70%的關於研究都是院內報告可是我查了你們的網站也沒有看到院內報告的查詢系統\n\n20\n00:06:49,281 --> 00:07:04,002\n那我們現在呢大概是有500位的一個研究人力可是每年發表的大概就是國內外的期刊、會議論文、海報等等的數量卻還是逐年下降的你可以看到這張我們做這個表\n\n21\n00:07:05,063 --> 00:07:34,384\n所以就是說第一個發表量減少那為什麼都是院內報告院內報告是可以公開給大家來瞭解和國研院的嗎那或者是說為什麼這五年呢我們對於這些國際的論文也還是在持續減少的那甚至是說我們的國內院內的發表系統扣除掉機密文件之後是不是都可以讓大家來去公開參閱這樣子我覺得才可以讓大家更瞭解國研院啦那這樣子對我們在自籌經費才會有幫助那是不是可以請院長來回覆一下\n\n22\n00:07:35,365 --> 00:07:48,260\n報告委員,我們的院內報告有些是跟一些單位像國內最大的半導體公司委託我們做一些實驗那這個都需要機敏性要簽保密協定的\n\n23\n00:07:49,793 --> 00:08:14,737\n但是這樣子是佔很大的數量嗎?佔一部分的數量一部分大概是在部分的院內報告如果說大概有七成左右是一般的報告但是因為放在網路上因為院內的報告就是我們希望這個院內的報告希望能夠透過再整合的方式再公佈在外面不然這七八百件\n\n24\n00:08:15,607 --> 00:08:38,777\n要來搜尋也蠻困難的但是我了解了那我們是不是因為聽起來就是院內我們還要再努力看怎樣把它公開嘛那我們是不是可以鼓勵大家多投國際的一些期刊做院外的發表因為回到重點嘛我們就是要自籌嘛那自籌一定要有一定的一個研究實力讓大家可以可信嘛所以這部分我們是不是可以有一些機制來鼓勵大家呢報告委員\n\n25\n00:08:39,757 --> 00:08:58,072\n相對於10年前我們核營所最興盛的時候福島事件之前有1500位總共員工包括資源的人力但是現在剩不到1000位所以相對這個數量也逐年在減少但是我們會要求比較高品質我們希望投稿的時候要中這個品質\n\n26\n00:08:59,052 --> 00:09:16,499\n因配合的比較高的我們會鼓勵我們感覺上是應該要影響力最大的這個期刊我們再來鼓勵或者專利因為專利如果一昧的投那這沒有應用價值我們現在也把我想也很難一昧的投啦因為其實國外期刊也不是那麼好投嘛對不對\n\n27\n00:09:17,339 --> 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但是我跟委員報告就是部會跟法人通常的關係會藉由計劃那麼人員的薪水有一些是在計劃裡面付的所以它可以編多少人力這就是計劃人力的部分而已嘛 對不對而且計劃人力它有不同的rank不同的職稱它可以很高的\n251584\t265150\t對它也可以是一般平常計劃的利潤那其實這一題我主要是想要接續的來問就是說因為我們必須要自籌了可是我也看到說我們國研院自籌經費卻是逐年在下降的105年的時候還有10.5億那到112年只剩下7.4億\n270152\t287772\t所以就變成說接下來國研院可能要自籌10億喔他才有辦法去支付他現在的一個人事支出所以我想要了解我們自籌款到底是為什麼下降了那我們如果他真的持續下降那核安會真的有辦法逐年減少這些人事的補助嗎\n290481\t309602\t那個我先打一下這個逐年下降是有人離開離職大部分是退休所以他是漸進式的他不會是一下子全部變沒有委員聽得懂我意思嗎所以這個人事費他會逐年的遞減\n311227\t338586\t對我知道但是我們現在講的是自籌的部分嘛因為我們需要有自籌能力啊因為現在夏林可能就不會再補助他這些公務人力了嘛所以就是你現在自籌能力是逐年下降的啊那這個原因是什麼報告委員那個因為我們原來從核能就核電相關的計畫得到比較多的計畫就是比對於105年開始那因為電廠也逐漸這個停掉嘛停止運轉所以我們\n340247\t359080\t的一些相關的委託計畫也跟著萎縮所以萎縮了大概兩成到三成所以到目前這幾年都維持大概7億那這樣就會有一個問題接下來我們還是會努力就是想辦法再去找其他像新能源或者其他\n359420\t360461\t核能安全委員會主管預算\n389801\t407342\t對國研院其實還不夠熟悉我不太知道你們平常研究出什麼樣子的成果所以我就去看了一下我們現在的著作數量我們的數量其實是持續在下降70%的關於研究都是院內報告可是我查了你們的網站也沒有看到院內報告的查詢系統\n409281\t424002\t那我們現在呢大概是有500位的一個研究人力可是每年發表的大概就是國內外的期刊、會議論文、海報等等的數量卻還是逐年下降的你可以看到這張我們做這個表\n425063\t454384\t所以就是說第一個發表量減少那為什麼都是院內報告院內報告是可以公開給大家來瞭解和國研院的嗎那或者是說為什麼這五年呢我們對於這些國際的論文也還是在持續減少的那甚至是說我們的國內院內的發表系統扣除掉機密文件之後是不是都可以讓大家來去公開參閱這樣子我覺得才可以讓大家更瞭解國研院啦那這樣子對我們在自籌經費才會有幫助那是不是可以請院長來回覆一下\n455365\t468260\t報告委員,我們的院內報告有些是跟一些單位像國內最大的半導體公司委託我們做一些實驗那這個都需要機敏性要簽保密協定的\n469793\t494737\t但是這樣子是佔很大的數量嗎?佔一部分的數量一部分大概是在部分的院內報告如果說大概有七成左右是一般的報告但是因為放在網路上因為院內的報告就是我們希望這個院內的報告希望能夠透過再整合的方式再公佈在外面不然這七八百件\n495607\t518777\t要來搜尋也蠻困難的但是我了解了那我們是不是因為聽起來就是院內我們還要再努力看怎樣把它公開嘛那我們是不是可以鼓勵大家多投國際的一些期刊做院外的發表因為回到重點嘛我們就是要自籌嘛那自籌一定要有一定的一個研究實力讓大家可以可信嘛所以這部分我們是不是可以有一些機制來鼓勵大家呢報告委員\n519757\t538072\t相對於10年前我們核營所最興盛的時候福島事件之前有1500位總共員工包括資源的人力但是現在剩不到1000位所以相對這個數量也逐年在減少但是我們會要求比較高品質我們希望投稿的時候要中這個品質\n539052\t556499\t因配合的比較高的我們會鼓勵我們感覺上是應該要影響力最大的這個期刊我們再來鼓勵或者專利因為專利如果一昧的投那這沒有應用價值我們現在也把我想也很難一昧的投啦因為其實國外期刊也不是那麼好投嘛對不對\n557339\t575594\t所以應該是我們還是要鼓勵大家盡量去啦畢竟我們還是要提供這個公信力嘛不然我們就是會遇到這個自籌款部的問題因為我還是非常擔心就像我一直以來都會說其實我非常關注我們研究人員可不可以得到一個很好的薪資因為這些東西就是跟這個環環相扣所以這部分一定要來持續的努力那院內的報告要怎麼樣公開這我們會持續來追蹤 謝謝\n","txt":"委員資訊謝謝主席那我們有請主委有請陳主委\n張委員主委早安就是上次我其實在3月底的時候有關有問這個關於含氚廢水的事情那主要是說因為我們其實在針對於不同的東西我們是有這個取樣頻率的一個規範有些是每一季或是有些是半年取樣那但是我看到其實我現在這個表裡面有一些取樣時間好像都已經超過半年以上了甚至有一年沒有更新那請問原因是什麼\n那個水勢所的船今年上半年它有一些故障另外就是有些時候是海象的問題天氣氣候的問題那麼我跟委員說明其實我們最近做了一些很大的努力\n二、我去拜訪國科會主委那他下面的法人是海洋中心那麼他有這個海洋船利靜號那麼我們將來因為利靜號是做學校老師科研人員的這個科學檢測那麼我們\n大概輻射偵測中心會有人去陪同去取海水所以會不定期的增加評次跟點位所以會把原來107點以外\n還會根據他們不同的船的行程再去補足一些的點所以這大概是什麼時候會開始啟動我想很快6月就會開始6月就開始所以我們接下來下次等我6月之後再去看到的時候這些應該都會有一些更新都應該是更新了對嗎是\n核安會113年總預算\n中央政府總預算有關核能安全委員會主管預算\n現在的公務人力會欲缺不補日後都會是需求改用這個願聘人力所以呢這個核安會的人事費補助就僅限於這些公務人力那之後改為願聘人員之後是不是這些所有的願聘人員的人事費都是由國務院院來自籌也就是說核安會過去補助給國務院院的人事費用會逐年的來遞減到最後一位公務人員退休就會歸零了嗎\n這個是這樣子國研院現在是行政法人那麼跟財團法人是有相似的性質但是原來國研院是核菸索他們全部都是公務人員所以目前\n除了公務人員有相當大的量應該大概是7比3其實主委這一題我只想要確認一下就是說我們接下來因為剛剛講了嘛就是說因為行政人、行政法人嘛說他開始自籌嘛所以過去我們補助的這些人士費用隨著公務人員退場之後我們應該就不會再去補助了是嗎?\n是的 但是我跟委員報告就是部會跟法人通常的關係會藉由計劃那麼人員的薪水有一些是在計劃裡面付的所以它可以編多少人力這就是計劃人力的部分而已嘛 對不對而且計劃人力它有不同的rank不同的職稱它可以很高的\n對它也可以是一般平常計劃的利潤那其實這一題我主要是想要接續的來問就是說因為我們必須要自籌了可是我也看到說我們國研院自籌經費卻是逐年在下降的105年的時候還有10.5億那到112年只剩下7.4億\n所以就變成說接下來國研院可能要自籌10億喔他才有辦法去支付他現在的一個人事支出所以我想要了解我們自籌款到底是為什麼下降了那我們如果他真的持續下降那核安會真的有辦法逐年減少這些人事的補助嗎\n那個我先打一下這個逐年下降是有人離開離職大部分是退休所以他是漸進式的他不會是一下子全部變沒有委員聽得懂我意思嗎所以這個人事費他會逐年的遞減\n對我知道但是我們現在講的是自籌的部分嘛因為我們需要有自籌能力啊因為現在夏林可能就不會再補助他這些公務人力了嘛所以就是你現在自籌能力是逐年下降的啊那這個原因是什麼報告委員那個因為我們原來從核能就核電相關的計畫得到比較多的計畫就是比對於105年開始那因為電廠也逐漸這個停掉嘛停止運轉所以我們\n的一些相關的委託計畫也跟著萎縮所以萎縮了大概兩成到三成所以到目前這幾年都維持大概7億那這樣就會有一個問題接下來我們還是會努力就是想辦法再去找其他像新能源或者其他\n核能安全委員會主管預算\n對國研院其實還不夠熟悉我不太知道你們平常研究出什麼樣子的成果所以我就去看了一下我們現在的著作數量我們的數量其實是持續在下降70%的關於研究都是院內報告可是我查了你們的網站也沒有看到院內報告的查詢系統\n那我們現在呢大概是有500位的一個研究人力可是每年發表的大概就是國內外的期刊、會議論文、海報等等的數量卻還是逐年下降的你可以看到這張我們做這個表\n所以就是說第一個發表量減少那為什麼都是院內報告院內報告是可以公開給大家來瞭解和國研院的嗎那或者是說為什麼這五年呢我們對於這些國際的論文也還是在持續減少的那甚至是說我們的國內院內的發表系統扣除掉機密文件之後是不是都可以讓大家來去公開參閱這樣子我覺得才可以讓大家更瞭解國研院啦那這樣子對我們在自籌經費才會有幫助那是不是可以請院長來回覆一下\n報告委員,我們的院內報告有些是跟一些單位像國內最大的半導體公司委託我們做一些實驗那這個都需要機敏性要簽保密協定的\n但是這樣子是佔很大的數量嗎?佔一部分的數量一部分大概是在部分的院內報告如果說大概有七成左右是一般的報告但是因為放在網路上因為院內的報告就是我們希望這個院內的報告希望能夠透過再整合的方式再公佈在外面不然這七八百件\n要來搜尋也蠻困難的但是我了解了那我們是不是因為聽起來就是院內我們還要再努力看怎樣把它公開嘛那我們是不是可以鼓勵大家多投國際的一些期刊做院外的發表因為回到重點嘛我們就是要自籌嘛那自籌一定要有一定的一個研究實力讓大家可以可信嘛所以這部分我們是不是可以有一些機制來鼓勵大家呢報告委員\n相對於10年前我們核營所最興盛的時候福島事件之前有1500位總共員工包括資源的人力但是現在剩不到1000位所以相對這個數量也逐年在減少但是我們會要求比較高品質我們希望投稿的時候要中這個品質\n因配合的比較高的我們會鼓勵我們感覺上是應該要影響力最大的這個期刊我們再來鼓勵或者專利因為專利如果一昧的投那這沒有應用價值我們現在也把我想也很難一昧的投啦因為其實國外期刊也不是那麼好投嘛對不對\n所以應該是我們還是要鼓勵大家盡量去啦畢竟我們還是要提供這個公信力嘛不然我們就是會遇到這個自籌款部的問題因為我還是非常擔心就像我一直以來都會說其實我非常關注我們研究人員可不可以得到一個很好的薪資因為這些東西就是跟這個環環相扣所以這部分一定要來持續的努力那院內的報告要怎麼樣公開這我們會持續來追蹤 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