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--> 00:23.497\n主席、還有各位委員大家好。那麼有請國防部部長、邱部長。邱部長。同時也請這個省市長、軍法司的省市長。法律司的省市長。問委員好。邱部長好。我用這個同樣可以錄音嗎?\n\n00:28.035 --> 00:32.819\n我本身是軍人子弟,過去也曾經在國防大學管理學院法律研究所教書兩年,所以其實我也過去也指導蠻多的軍法官的學生們。\n\n00:52.745 --> 01:17.354\n那麼對於看到今天國防部所提出來的陸海空軍懲罰法的修正案我在這裡我是感到非常的佩服因為這次的修法其實牽動的面向非常廣可以算是幾乎像是全文翻修當然也是希望能夠配合這個時代的進步然後來做一些新的立法\n\n01:18.114 --> 01:20.436\n審查本院委員徐巧芯等20人修正草案案。三、審查本院委員徐巧芯等20人修正草案案。\n\n01:38.087 --> 01:39.228\n審查行政院徐巧芯等20人\n\n01:52.412 --> 02:09.562\n但是呢,在你們這次的修法裡面呢,我看到了有一個比較嚴重的問題,就是你們在第三章調查程序的第二節裡面,你們卻定定了很多都是跟形式、呃,程序、形式偵查有關的,呃,呃,形式調查有關的相關規定,\n\n02:13.504 --> 02:21.867\n徐巧芯等20人擬事件處理法草案。五、審查行政院徐巧芯等20人擬事件處理法草案。六、審查行政院徐巧芯等20人擬事件處理法草案。七、審查行政院徐巧芯等20人擬事件處理法草案。\n\n02:41.075 --> 03:06.765\n去訂定刑事偵查還有刑事調查程序。是,謝謝委員。我跟委員報告我們過去在實踐上面102年之前軍法還在,早期的時候陸海空軍懲罰法從最早民國19年當時那個立法體力當時就是如果一個官兵的犯忌的行為他是很嚴重的話就是送軍法就會進入到所謂的刑事訴訟的那個軍事審判的這些相關的程序\n\n03:07.005 --> 03:09.587\n審查行政院徐巧芯等20人處理法草案。五、審查行政院徐巧芯等20人擬具\n\n03:37.105 --> 03:37.985\n事件處理法草案案。\n\n03:55.551 --> 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