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Cell）將來對氫的車的應用，這些都有的。將來氫是不是有辦法變成所謂的基載發電量，跟天然氣一樣，現在我們的試驗是天然氣跟氫能的混燒，將來混燒的百分比會越來越多，最後是不是有辦法用純氫發電，這是大家對於2040、2050的一個期待。"],["謝委員衣鳯：對，所以有可能嘛，是不是？你認為？"],["劉院長文雄：我們都有期待。"],["謝委員衣鳯：對，你認為現在工研院的技術有沒有辦法成為全球在氫能發展上具有比較關鍵的一個角色呢？有什麼技術？"],["劉院長文雄：剛剛跟委員報告有三個方面，就從生產跟運輸儲存還有應用，我們都是以考慮到臺灣所有的限制，在什麼情況之下，我們應該怎麼樣的發展。"],["謝委員衣鳯：對，氫能未來的發展有沒有辦法取代太陽光電產業，就是成為下一代能源的產業呢？"],["劉院長文雄：取代應該是不至於，但是一定會相輔相成。"],["謝委員衣鳯：是吧！你至少要比它更好，因為太陽光電沒有辦法成為基載，是不是？"],["劉院長文雄：我想能源的配置是各有各的優缺點，我們應該是在配置整個不同能源的來源，太陽光電、風電、地熱等等跟氫能的相輔相成是很重要的。"],["謝委員衣鳯：好，我期待啦，我期待我們臺灣氫能的發展，畢竟我們這一次電價的調漲，以及大家對於石化產業還有淨零碳排這樣子的一個議題，我們知道未來我們必須要有低價以及乾淨的能源，這正是大家的期待啦，好不好？"],["劉院長文雄：好，謝謝委員。"],["謝委員衣鳯：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝謝衣鳯委員。","陳超明委員已經改書面質詢。接下來請蔡易餘委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":186,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-19-9","speakers":["邱議瑩","黃建賓","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","林思銘","林岱樺","張嘉郡","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:26,583\n我再跟委員確認指的是哪一個部分。那我想要說的是從我們就是說西部的這個相關的水能源就是水環境的計劃裡面我們過去也在推廣珍珠串的西部廊道的供水管網對不對現在目前的進度是如何我知道說像我們的鳥嘴潭的人工湖是已經完成了\n\n4\n00:01:26,943 --> 00:01:52,853\n那他可以供給我們彰化多少用水?署長你也說一下。謝謝首先第一個這個珍樹村計畫是部長在百年大憾的時候提出來的那相關的這個各項的工作包括這個圖上面的我們的進度都很順利那第二個部分是鳥水潭人工湖啊我們六個湖區都已經完成蓄水了那未來對彰化的部分的話可以取代原來的地下水每日21萬噸\n\n5\n00:01:54,073 --> 00:02:12,003\n所以會提供給彰化21萬噸的用水對不對那我想要瞭解就是說在水環境的計畫裡面為什麼浮流水的開發工程第二期我知道是大概有5900多萬為什麼執行率好像只有30點多%\n\n6\n00:02:14,926 --> 00:02:23,349\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21\n\n7\n00:02:43,618 --> 00:02:58,521\n人工湖的部分剛剛已經跟委員說明了雖然說他是坐在南投但是他主要的效益是在彰化所以我們也沒有就是在平地人工湖的部分沒有規劃在彰化來進行相關的就是計劃是不是\n\n8\n00:03:00,483 --> 00:03:24,019\n這個計畫裡面我們有一個浮流水在所謂彰化的北邊在烏溪的部分烏溪在彰化市市的北邊嘛對不對我們我記得過去的時候好像那個王部長也有過去看過現在目前進展是如何未來如果就是因為氣候變遷導致又又有嚴重的缺水的情況我們目前有沒有辦法因應\n\n9\n00:03:25,259 --> 00:03:51,714\n絕對有辦法因應現在在珍珠串的計劃裡面特別是在這張圖裡面有一個台中至雲林的這個水資源調度那這個部分的話彰化跟台中之間會有20萬噸的調度能力那至於彰化跟雲林之間還有12萬噸的調度能力那這個都是雙向的比如說現在我們在彰化沿著這個台一線有時候北水可以南調有時候南水可以北調對不對\n\n10\n00:03:52,875 --> 00:04:00,886\n凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n11\n00:04:10,438 --> 00:04:11,959\n立法院第11會期經濟委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案\n\n12\n00:04:28,695 --> 00:04:31,457\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案件事實上已經獲得控制。\n\n13\n00:04:50,726 --> 00:04:55,011\n劉院長劉院長我想請問一下就是機載電力是指我們基本的發電來源能夠穩定供電需要的時候可以生產\n\n14\n00:05:11,129 --> 00:05:13,870\n實現工廠管理輔導法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n15\n00:05:39,020 --> 00:05:42,330\n新能的發展有沒有可能成為一種積載的電力?」\n\n16\n00:05:46,734 --> 00:06:15,972\n首先我謝謝委員上禮拜到我們工研院的一去那一天我們有展出的所謂的氫能測試平台那氫能在整個2050的國發會的那個路徑圖裡面將來是會佔有9到12%的一個發電量那我們對氫能工研院對氫能的一個發展其實在2022年的時候我們一個氫能應用的策略的藍圖那在這幾年我們非常努力大家把它分成三部分\n\n17\n00:06:16,352 --> 00:06:24,197\n立法院第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第\n\n18\n00:06:35,203 --> 00:06:35,963\n三十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n19\n00:06:53,811 --> 00:07:06,108\n所謂的積載的發電量,就是跟天然氣一樣,現在我們試驗的是天然氣跟氫能的混燒,那將來是混燒的百分比會越來越多,最後是不是有辦法用純氫發電,這是大家對於2040、2050的一個期待。」\n\n20\n00:07:10,213 --> 00:07:34,691\n對,所以有可能嘛,是不是?你認為?我們都有期待對,阿你認為現在工研院的技術裡面有沒有辦法成為就是全球在氫能發展上面裡面比較關鍵的一個角色呢?剛剛跟委員報告了幾個三個方面就從生產跟運輸儲存還有一個應用我們都是以考慮到台灣的所有的限制那在什麼情況之下我們應該怎麼樣的發展?\n\n21\n00:07:36,266 --> 00:07:55,026\n對那有沒有辦法青能未來的發展有沒有辦法取代太陽光電產業就是成為下一代的能源的產業呢取代應該是不至於但是一定會相輔相成是嗎有沒有就是你至少要比他更好因為太陽光電沒有辦法成為基載嗎是不是\n\n22\n00:07:56,015 --> 00:07:57,597\n二、審查：一、處理或審查：一、處理或審查\n\n23\n00:08:17,659 --> 00:08:39,780\n以及就是大家對於就是石化產業還有淨零碳排的這樣子的一個議題我們知道說未來我們必須要有低價以及乾淨的能源那這正是我們大家的期待了好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝謝一鳳委員那陳超明委員已經改書面質詢接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t24727\t二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案 案 請現一份委員發言。主席,早安。請王部長。請部長。還有水利署長。來,水利署賴署長。\n28860\t30341\t負責行政院負責行政院負責行政院負責\n58223\t86583\t我再跟委員確認指的是哪一個部分。那我想要說的是從我們就是說西部的這個相關的水能源就是水環境的計劃裡面我們過去也在推廣珍珠串的西部廊道的供水管網對不對現在目前的進度是如何我知道說像我們的鳥嘴潭的人工湖是已經完成了\n86943\t112853\t那他可以供給我們彰化多少用水?署長你也說一下。謝謝首先第一個這個珍樹村計畫是部長在百年大憾的時候提出來的那相關的這個各項的工作包括這個圖上面的我們的進度都很順利那第二個部分是鳥水潭人工湖啊我們六個湖區都已經完成蓄水了那未來對彰化的部分的話可以取代原來的地下水每日21萬噸\n114073\t132003\t所以會提供給彰化21萬噸的用水對不對那我想要瞭解就是說在水環境的計畫裡面為什麼浮流水的開發工程第二期我知道是大概有5900多萬為什麼執行率好像只有30點多%\n134926\t143349\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21\n163618\t178521\t人工湖的部分剛剛已經跟委員說明了雖然說他是坐在南投但是他主要的效益是在彰化所以我們也沒有就是在平地人工湖的部分沒有規劃在彰化來進行相關的就是計劃是不是\n180483\t204019\t這個計畫裡面我們有一個浮流水在所謂彰化的北邊在烏溪的部分烏溪在彰化市市的北邊嘛對不對我們我記得過去的時候好像那個王部長也有過去看過現在目前進展是如何未來如果就是因為氣候變遷導致又又有嚴重的缺水的情況我們目前有沒有辦法因應\n205259\t231714\t絕對有辦法因應現在在珍珠串的計劃裡面特別是在這張圖裡面有一個台中至雲林的這個水資源調度那這個部分的話彰化跟台中之間會有20萬噸的調度能力那至於彰化跟雲林之間還有12萬噸的調度能力那這個都是雙向的比如說現在我們在彰化沿著這個台一線有時候北水可以南調有時候南水可以北調對不對\n232875\t240886\t凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n250438\t251959\t立法院第11會期經濟委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案\n268695\t271457\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案件事實上已經獲得控制。\n290726\t295011\t劉院長劉院長我想請問一下就是機載電力是指我們基本的發電來源能夠穩定供電需要的時候可以生產\n311129\t313870\t實現工廠管理輔導法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案 。\n339020\t342330\t新能的發展有沒有可能成為一種積載的電力?」\n346734\t375972\t首先我謝謝委員上禮拜到我們工研院的一去那一天我們有展出的所謂的氫能測試平台那氫能在整個2050的國發會的那個路徑圖裡面將來是會佔有9到12%的一個發電量那我們對氫能工研院對氫能的一個發展其實在2022年的時候我們一個氫能應用的策略的藍圖那在這幾年我們非常努力大家把它分成三部分\n376352\t384197\t立法院第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第\n395203\t395963\t三十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n413811\t426108\t所謂的積載的發電量,就是跟天然氣一樣,現在我們試驗的是天然氣跟氫能的混燒,那將來是混燒的百分比會越來越多,最後是不是有辦法用純氫發電,這是大家對於2040、2050的一個期待。」\n430213\t454691\t對,所以有可能嘛,是不是?你認為?我們都有期待對,阿你認為現在工研院的技術裡面有沒有辦法成為就是全球在氫能發展上面裡面比較關鍵的一個角色呢?剛剛跟委員報告了幾個三個方面就從生產跟運輸儲存還有一個應用我們都是以考慮到台灣的所有的限制那在什麼情況之下我們應該怎麼樣的發展?\n456266\t475026\t對那有沒有辦法青能未來的發展有沒有辦法取代太陽光電產業就是成為下一代的能源的產業呢取代應該是不至於但是一定會相輔相成是嗎有沒有就是你至少要比他更好因為太陽光電沒有辦法成為基載嗎是不是\n476015\t477597\t二、審查：一、處理或審查：一、處理或審查\n497659\t519780\t以及就是大家對於就是石化產業還有淨零碳排的這樣子的一個議題我們知道說未來我們必須要有低價以及乾淨的能源那這正是我們大家的期待了好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝謝一鳳委員那陳超明委員已經改書面質詢接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員發言\n","txt":"二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案 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請現一份委員發言。主席,早安。請王部長。請部長。還有水利署長。來,水利署賴署長。\n負責行政院負責行政院負責行政院負責\n我再跟委員確認指的是哪一個部分。那我想要說的是從我們就是說西部的這個相關的水能源就是水環境的計劃裡面我們過去也在推廣珍珠串的西部廊道的供水管網對不對現在目前的進度是如何我知道說像我們的鳥嘴潭的人工湖是已經完成了\n那他可以供給我們彰化多少用水?署長你也說一下。謝謝首先第一個這個珍樹村計畫是部長在百年大憾的時候提出來的那相關的這個各項的工作包括這個圖上面的我們的進度都很順利那第二個部分是鳥水潭人工湖啊我們六個湖區都已經完成蓄水了那未來對彰化的部分的話可以取代原來的地下水每日21萬噸\n所以會提供給彰化21萬噸的用水對不對那我想要瞭解就是說在水環境的計畫裡面為什麼浮流水的開發工程第二期我知道是大概有5900多萬為什麼執行率好像只有30點多%\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案．一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21\n人工湖的部分剛剛已經跟委員說明了雖然說他是坐在南投但是他主要的效益是在彰化所以我們也沒有就是在平地人工湖的部分沒有規劃在彰化來進行相關的就是計劃是不是\n這個計畫裡面我們有一個浮流水在所謂彰化的北邊在烏溪的部分烏溪在彰化市市的北邊嘛對不對我們我記得過去的時候好像那個王部長也有過去看過現在目前進展是如何未來如果就是因為氣候變遷導致又又有嚴重的缺水的情況我們目前有沒有辦法因應\n絕對有辦法因應現在在珍珠串的計劃裡面特別是在這張圖裡面有一個台中至雲林的這個水資源調度那這個部分的話彰化跟台中之間會有20萬噸的調度能力那至於彰化跟雲林之間還有12萬噸的調度能力那這個都是雙向的比如說現在我們在彰化沿著這個台一線有時候北水可以南調有時候南水可以北調對不對\n凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n立法院第11會期經濟委員會及所屬主管預算凍結案等21案等21案\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案件事實上已經獲得控制。\n劉院長劉院長我想請問一下就是機載電力是指我們基本的發電來源能夠穩定供電需要的時候可以生產\n實現工廠管理輔導法第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案 。\n新能的發展有沒有可能成為一種積載的電力?」\n首先我謝謝委員上禮拜到我們工研院的一去那一天我們有展出的所謂的氫能測試平台那氫能在整個2050的國發會的那個路徑圖裡面將來是會佔有9到12%的一個發電量那我們對氫能工研院對氫能的一個發展其實在2022年的時候我們一個氫能應用的策略的藍圖那在這幾年我們非常努力大家把它分成三部分\n立法院第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第11會期經濟委員會第\n三十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n所謂的積載的發電量,就是跟天然氣一樣,現在我們試驗的是天然氣跟氫能的混燒,那將來是混燒的百分比會越來越多,最後是不是有辦法用純氫發電,這是大家對於2040、2050的一個期待。」\n對,所以有可能嘛,是不是?你認為?我們都有期待對,阿你認為現在工研院的技術裡面有沒有辦法成為就是全球在氫能發展上面裡面比較關鍵的一個角色呢?剛剛跟委員報告了幾個三個方面就從生產跟運輸儲存還有一個應用我們都是以考慮到台灣的所有的限制那在什麼情況之下我們應該怎麼樣的發展?\n對那有沒有辦法青能未來的發展有沒有辦法取代太陽光電產業就是成為下一代的能源的產業呢取代應該是不至於但是一定會相輔相成是嗎有沒有就是你至少要比他更好因為太陽光電沒有辦法成為基載嗎是不是\n二、審查：一、處理或審查：一、處理或審查\n以及就是大家對於就是石化產業還有淨零碳排的這樣子的一個議題我們知道說未來我們必須要有低價以及乾淨的能源那這正是我們大家的期待了好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝謝一鳳委員那陳超明委員已經改書面質詢接下來我們請蔡易瑜委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:24.727\n二十八條之十四、第三十一條及第三十一條條文修正草案案請現一份委員發言。主席,早安。請王部長。請部長。還有水利署長。來,水利署賴署長。\n\n00:28.860 --> 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