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00:02:09,743\n有一堆公司用宿舍當作名義當初我們在許可辦法裡面訂宿舍是說司法人員去買了住宅然後提供員工宿舍使用但我看裡面一堆投資公司我看員工的人數我嚇一跳員工人數只有一個人\n\n7\n00:02:10,871 --> 00:02:36,756\n一個人的員工人數要去買住宅那是一人公司然後去買住宅然後老闆提供給老闆自己當宿舍用嗎怎麼會有這麼荒謬的情況那進一步去看他買什麼宿舍我的老天啊這些公司真是太有佛心了他買的宿舍全部都是豪宅耶以平安懷疑來講他買的是3.2億90坪\n\n8\n00:02:41,150 --> 00:02:53,643\n以續倉新企業有限公司來講,他買的是多少?6.4億!6.4億的文華宴!我看了這個通過的狀況以後,我真的嚇壞了!部長!我們看具體的例子就好了!台北市前十大豪宅、新華富邦、\n\n9\n00:03:04,212 --> 00:03:17,424\n公司只有一個人然後他要買2.3億的宿舍給那個人住這個是我們當初平均地權條例修法讓主管機關審核的修法意旨嗎來請部長\n\n10\n00:03:21,022 --> 00:03:31,009\n二、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。五、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。六、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。七、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n11\n00:03:46,800 --> 00:04:11,428\n第一個層次內政部要把關司法人什麼時候可以買要內政部核准嗎核准了以後5年之內不能傳送那是第二個層次的問題請您不要把兩個層次的問題混在一起談我是在請教的是第一個層次的問題內政部怎麼准的我今天聽部長這樣講我很肯定啊你說不應該嘛那不應該是怎麼准的啊\n\n12\n00:04:12,897 --> 00:04:27,724\n我想這個是應該是我們地政司在這法剛通過的初期的時候那現在他們也已經在修改這個辦法這個已經不允許了你不用去修改辦法你回去看啊這個是哪門子宿舍啊\n\n13\n00:04:28,684 --> 00:04:42,599\n用道理說服我用道理說服台灣社會用道理說服關心居住正義的人這是哪門子敘事藝人公司買2.3億的豪宅一個人住這樣內政部也准部長會不會太扯\n\n14\n00:04:46,451 --> 00:05:04,896\n審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。三、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。四、審查內政部主管預算凍結書面報告案計6案。\n\n15\n00:05:14,444 --> 00:05:38,454\n還不是只有這一個下面這個更誇張下面這個是文華院5.6億5.6億的文華院買來住六人宿舍我一去查哪家公司福利這麼好我要趕快去丟履歷表可以住5.6億的文華院式宿舍結果一查是台灣的巨富陳泰銘\n\n16\n00:05:39,724 --> 00:06:08,521\n而且這文華院他用司法人用宿舍准部長你知道這個是文華院他買的第幾戶嗎部長你知不知道這個我不知道好我跟部長報告第9戶他前面買8戶了全部都在文華院他用第9戶然後當宿舍我們的內政部還准我的老天啊平均地權條例當初讓司法人買宿舍的例外是這樣用的嗎\n\n17\n00:06:09,881 --> 00:06:32,860\n部長,這件事情要不要檢討?呃,我想這個當然要檢討。好!需要多久?呃,現在已經,呃,剛剛在講的是,呃,我們地震室在修許可辦法,不過,呃,委員,我跟您報告,這個事情,呃,我想這個是不容許的,因為這個是在鑽漏洞。部長,這已經容許了,這不是不容許,已經容許了,已經被容許了。這個事情不應該發生。對!\n\n18\n00:06:34,628 --> 00:07:00,405\n所以我就說嘛你們當初法規怎麼解釋適用的部長說要檢討時間到了我尊重其他委員後面的質詢但分兩個部分一個當初怎麼准的符不符合當初你們定辦法的意旨這是一個層次的問題嘛第二個未來辦法要怎麼修這是第二個層次的問題嘛這兩個層次的問題請內政部提出書面的檢討報告部長需要多久\n\n19\n00:07:01,837 --> 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