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00:00:57,813\n負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責\n\n5\n00:01:16,883 --> 00:01:41,511\n那大概是在一個時間用時間來做一個切開那輔導他們可以走向合法工廠但是我聽到的他們縱使納管之後要走到合法包括要繳納的這一筆回饋金事實上沒有幾家可以走到那部長你覺得最大的原因是什麼\n\n6\n00:01:43,334 --> 00:01:45,195\n凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結\n\n7\n00:02:06,226 --> 00:02:19,038\n審理,如果缺人,應該用收取的這些營運金等等來徵雇相關的員工,來趕快審理這些案子,才能夠一步一步往下走。我想這個委員講﹚對,對,他們要請人,這開始沒問題,等一下欠人。而且你看這樣納管的現在的家屬蠻多的,這些納管的基本上每年都有繳交,一年是十萬元。\n\n8\n00:02:32,820 --> 00:02:34,281\n最多十萬元,二到十萬,我記得是這樣。」\n\n9\n00:02:45,162 --> 00:02:59,395\n但是現在看起來就是有一個第一個就是說地方政府的人員不足是一個問題第二個問題就是說如果以過去的工廠他們大概蓋的規模都已經那個廠房的型就出來了那既然那個廠房的型出來他們就是說工廠也有天車\n\n10\n00:03:04,799 --> 00:03:11,482\n一、工廠管理輔導一、工廠管理輔導二、工廠管理輔導三、工廠管理輔導四、工廠管理輔導五、工廠管理輔導六、工廠管理輔導七、工廠管理輔導八、工廠管理輔導九、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工�\n\n11\n00:03:30,450 --> 00:03:36,940\n那合法化後甚至他們的屋頂可以走向用綠能的方式,這都是一個很正面的方向,一邊走一邊說我為了這個隔離預待我就必須要去把我的廠房拆下來,我的廠房要拆一面,\n\n12\n00:03:46,754 --> 00:04:09,594\n甚至差異面的可能影響到我的天車,我的天車就整個要回來所以大概很多在申請已經在納管中的這一些特定工廠,他們走不下去,不然就是他們現在回饋金他們不敢納出來為什麼他不敢繳出來?他怕他最後是走不到的啊,所以他們就自己也卡住了\n\n13\n00:04:11,285 --> 00:04:29,154\n那部長這一件事情我想你也清楚啦那我們到底有沒有一個方向我們既然訂了這個工廠管理輔導辦法那他們已經納管這麼久了但是他們無法走到最後一步那表示可能是在法令上是有問題的啊不然為什麼他們都願意配合就是無法走到最後一步勒\n\n14\n00:04:29,734 --> 00:04:44,865\n要走到最後一步的時候他要變成是特務那這樣讓整個工廠完全變成合法的時候那確實在整個建築的法規的時候還是要符合啦吼那之前有因為這個隔離率在1.5米的時候會造成這個要拆兩次的問題那我們這個有跨部會溝通過\n\n15\n00:04:51,209 --> 00:05:18,468\n不要讓廠商去拆兩次就是一併來做相關的審理的部分那不過像委員講的他要完全合法的時候他工廠的相關的這個建壁率什麼等等還是要去符合相關規定那我們會有專業的來告訴他你這個到土地合法化的這個應該怎麼去申請審查我想建壁率這件事他們是願意配合的基本上他要符合建壁率他們說好哪一塊地\n\n16\n00:05:19,649 --> 00:05:38,946\n負荷百分之七十的建筆率,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導\n\n17\n00:05:45,012 --> 00:05:59,389\n但建築法規有一些規定比方做這個隔離綠帶,這個隔離綠帶就變成說以含鄰近的土地,鄰近的旁邊如果是農地的話你也不可能叫他去到旁邊的人買,去到他那裡買起來,來補他那裡1.5米\n\n18\n00:06:04,913 --> 00:06:12,996\n立法院第11屆第1會期經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案\n\n19\n00:06:31,908 --> 00:06:45,657\n但對於他的這樣的一個應該有保留的這個鑑幣率的部分這個部分畢竟他要把它變成完全合法化的時候還是要去遵守這些的相關的規定那但是做法上\n\n20\n00:07:01,527 --> 00:07:03,948\n所以我們這個部分有相關的輔導團隊來做協助這個確實到要做用地完全合法之前的這個其實是比較複雜沒有錯\n\n21\n00:07:17,355 --> 00:07:41,505\n但是我們有輔導團隊來告訴他這個應該怎麼走才可以符合內政部跟農委會的相關規範。」部長我覺得齁可能跟地方做一個調查啦就是了解一下現在他們這一些納管以納管的工廠那他們現在不管是消防啦他們每天都在做嘛齁他們都最好他們為望知卻步到底理由在於什麼我覺得這可能你們要做個實際的調查\n\n22\n00:07:42,685 --> 00:08:02,140\n那知道到底這一些工廠他們現在問題在哪裡,你們把經濟起來,如果是卡在說現行如果這1.5米就變成一個不合理的地方,那是不是該檢討就要檢討一下?我們會來跟地方政府來密切就委員關心後半段,因為到後半段這個目前的案子也會越來越多了,所以這個的部分怎麼樣來處理?\n\n23\n00:08:04,662 --> 00:08:07,707\n實質上通過了還沒幾家,我們這是要負責他們的,我們就是要聽他們的心聲,知道他們的困難點在哪裡。」\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6383\t8004\t第三十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n18261\t35316\t部長好部長我們今天委員會排的這個工廠管理輔導辦法的一個修法那這樣的一個修法主要是針對涉及到公安涉及到這一些工廠的一個安全性的一個管理讓我們希望\n36016\t55532\t科與負責人更高的公安義務,所以我們大概法則會做提高。那這邊我想我們事實上自己也都有提案,那經濟部這邊也是同意這樣的一個修正方式。但是回到這個公服法的本身,\n56392\t57813\t負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責\n76883\t101511\t那大概是在一個時間用時間來做一個切開那輔導他們可以走向合法工廠但是我聽到的他們縱使納管之後要走到合法包括要繳納的這一筆回饋金事實上沒有幾家可以走到那部長你覺得最大的原因是什麼\n103334\t105195\t凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結\n126226\t139038\t審理,如果缺人,應該用收取的這些營運金等等來徵雇相關的員工,來趕快審理這些案子,才能夠一步一步往下走。我想這個委員講﹚對,對,他們要請人,這開始沒問題,等一下欠人。而且你看這樣納管的現在的家屬蠻多的,這些納管的基本上每年都有繳交,一年是十萬元。\n152820\t154281\t最多十萬元,二到十萬,我記得是這樣。」\n165162\t179395\t但是現在看起來就是有一個第一個就是說地方政府的人員不足是一個問題第二個問題就是說如果以過去的工廠他們大概蓋的規模都已經那個廠房的型就出來了那既然那個廠房的型出來他們就是說工廠也有天車\n184799\t191482\t一、工廠管理輔導一、工廠管理輔導二、工廠管理輔導三、工廠管理輔導四、工廠管理輔導五、工廠管理輔導六、工廠管理輔導七、工廠管理輔導八、工廠管理輔導九、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工�\n210450\t216940\t那合法化後甚至他們的屋頂可以走向用綠能的方式,這都是一個很正面的方向,一邊走一邊說我為了這個隔離預待我就必須要去把我的廠房拆下來,我的廠房要拆一面,\n226754\t249594\t甚至差異面的可能影響到我的天車,我的天車就整個要回來所以大概很多在申請已經在納管中的這一些特定工廠,他們走不下去,不然就是他們現在回饋金他們不敢納出來為什麼他不敢繳出來?他怕他最後是走不到的啊,所以他們就自己也卡住了\n251285\t269154\t那部長這一件事情我想你也清楚啦那我們到底有沒有一個方向我們既然訂了這個工廠管理輔導辦法那他們已經納管這麼久了但是他們無法走到最後一步那表示可能是在法令上是有問題的啊不然為什麼他們都願意配合就是無法走到最後一步勒\n269734\t284865\t要走到最後一步的時候他要變成是特務那這樣讓整個工廠完全變成合法的時候那確實在整個建築的法規的時候還是要符合啦吼那之前有因為這個隔離率在1.5米的時候會造成這個要拆兩次的問題那我們這個有跨部會溝通過\n291209\t318468\t不要讓廠商去拆兩次就是一併來做相關的審理的部分那不過像委員講的他要完全合法的時候他工廠的相關的這個建壁率什麼等等還是要去符合相關規定那我們會有專業的來告訴他你這個到土地合法化的這個應該怎麼去申請審查我想建壁率這件事他們是願意配合的基本上他要符合建壁率他們說好哪一塊地\n319649\t338946\t負荷百分之七十的建筆率,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導\n345012\t359389\t但建築法規有一些規定比方做這個隔離綠帶,這個隔離綠帶就變成說以含鄰近的土地,鄰近的旁邊如果是農地的話你也不可能叫他去到旁邊的人買,去到他那裡買起來,來補他那裡1.5米\n364913\t372996\t立法院第11屆第1會期經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案\n391908\t405657\t但對於他的這樣的一個應該有保留的這個鑑幣率的部分這個部分畢竟他要把它變成完全合法化的時候還是要去遵守這些的相關的規定那但是做法上\n421527\t423948\t所以我們這個部分有相關的輔導團隊來做協助這個確實到要做用地完全合法之前的這個其實是比較複雜沒有錯\n437355\t461505\t但是我們有輔導團隊來告訴他這個應該怎麼走才可以符合內政部跟農委會的相關規範。」部長我覺得齁可能跟地方做一個調查啦就是了解一下現在他們這一些納管以納管的工廠那他們現在不管是消防啦他們每天都在做嘛齁他們都最好他們為望知卻步到底理由在於什麼我覺得這可能你們要做個實際的調查\n462685\t482140\t那知道到底這一些工廠他們現在問題在哪裡,你們把經濟起來,如果是卡在說現行如果這1.5米就變成一個不合理的地方,那是不是該檢討就要檢討一下?我們會來跟地方政府來密切就委員關心後半段,因為到後半段這個目前的案子也會越來越多了,所以這個的部分怎麼樣來處理?\n484662\t487707\t實質上通過了還沒幾家,我們這是要負責他們的,我們就是要聽他們的心聲,知道他們的困難點在哪裡。」\n","txt":"第三十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案。\n部長好部長我們今天委員會排的這個工廠管理輔導辦法的一個修法那這樣的一個修法主要是針對涉及到公安涉及到這一些工廠的一個安全性的一個管理讓我們希望\n科與負責人更高的公安義務,所以我們大概法則會做提高。那這邊我想我們事實上自己也都有提案,那經濟部這邊也是同意這樣的一個修正方式。但是回到這個公服法的本身,\n負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責\n那大概是在一個時間用時間來做一個切開那輔導他們可以走向合法工廠但是我聽到的他們縱使納管之後要走到合法包括要繳納的這一筆回饋金事實上沒有幾家可以走到那部長你覺得最大的原因是什麼\n凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結\n審理,如果缺人,應該用收取的這些營運金等等來徵雇相關的員工,來趕快審理這些案子,才能夠一步一步往下走。我想這個委員講﹚對,對,他們要請人,這開始沒問題,等一下欠人。而且你看這樣納管的現在的家屬蠻多的,這些納管的基本上每年都有繳交,一年是十萬元。\n最多十萬元,二到十萬,我記得是這樣。」\n但是現在看起來就是有一個第一個就是說地方政府的人員不足是一個問題第二個問題就是說如果以過去的工廠他們大概蓋的規模都已經那個廠房的型就出來了那既然那個廠房的型出來他們就是說工廠也有天車\n一、工廠管理輔導一、工廠管理輔導二、工廠管理輔導三、工廠管理輔導四、工廠管理輔導五、工廠管理輔導六、工廠管理輔導七、工廠管理輔導八、工廠管理輔導九、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工廠管理輔導十、工�\n那合法化後甚至他們的屋頂可以走向用綠能的方式,這都是一個很正面的方向,一邊走一邊說我為了這個隔離預待我就必須要去把我的廠房拆下來,我的廠房要拆一面,\n甚至差異面的可能影響到我的天車,我的天車就整個要回來所以大概很多在申請已經在納管中的這一些特定工廠,他們走不下去,不然就是他們現在回饋金他們不敢納出來為什麼他不敢繳出來?他怕他最後是走不到的啊,所以他們就自己也卡住了\n那部長這一件事情我想你也清楚啦那我們到底有沒有一個方向我們既然訂了這個工廠管理輔導辦法那他們已經納管這麼久了但是他們無法走到最後一步那表示可能是在法令上是有問題的啊不然為什麼他們都願意配合就是無法走到最後一步勒\n要走到最後一步的時候他要變成是特務那這樣讓整個工廠完全變成合法的時候那確實在整個建築的法規的時候還是要符合啦吼那之前有因為這個隔離率在1.5米的時候會造成這個要拆兩次的問題那我們這個有跨部會溝通過\n不要讓廠商去拆兩次就是一併來做相關的審理的部分那不過像委員講的他要完全合法的時候他工廠的相關的這個建壁率什麼等等還是要去符合相關規定那我們會有專業的來告訴他你這個到土地合法化的這個應該怎麼去申請審查我想建壁率這件事他們是願意配合的基本上他要符合建壁率他們說好哪一塊地\n負荷百分之七十的建筆率,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導,因此不可做工廠管理輔導\n但建築法規有一些規定比方做這個隔離綠帶,這個隔離綠帶就變成說以含鄰近的土地,鄰近的旁邊如果是農地的話你也不可能叫他去到旁邊的人買,去到他那裡買起來,來補他那裡1.5米\n立法院第11屆第1會期經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算有關經濟部及所屬主管預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案等21年度中央政府總預算凍結案\n但對於他的這樣的一個應該有保留的這個鑑幣率的部分這個部分畢竟他要把它變成完全合法化的時候還是要去遵守這些的相關的規定那但是做法上\n所以我們這個部分有相關的輔導團隊來做協助這個確實到要做用地完全合法之前的這個其實是比較複雜沒有錯\n但是我們有輔導團隊來告訴他這個應該怎麼走才可以符合內政部跟農委會的相關規範。」部長我覺得齁可能跟地方做一個調查啦就是了解一下現在他們這一些納管以納管的工廠那他們現在不管是消防啦他們每天都在做嘛齁他們都最好他們為望知卻步到底理由在於什麼我覺得這可能你們要做個實際的調查\n那知道到底這一些工廠他們現在問題在哪裡,你們把經濟起來,如果是卡在說現行如果這1.5米就變成一個不合理的地方,那是不是該檢討就要檢討一下?我們會來跟地方政府來密切就委員關心後半段,因為到後半段這個目前的案子也會越來越多了,所以這個的部分怎麼樣來處理?\n實質上通過了還沒幾家,我們這是要負責他們的,我們就是要聽他們的心聲,知道他們的困難點在哪裡。」\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.383 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