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00:02:44,089\n那這個在不同的網頁、不同的媒體上面都有可能出現所以這個必須要用下架的方式那另外一種是網站有一個網站專門在做這個提供這種好那我們就講雙一私房好了啦\n\n9\n00:02:45,711 --> 00:02:57,941\n所以這就是一個網站,如果是屬於網站的話,我們希望未來當我們查到有這種提供兒少的影像的話,我們就直接封網\n\n10\n00:02:58,717 --> 00:03:20,928\n就直接封網?你們要怎麼直接封網?你們還要再跟這個速發部再去請他們再封網嗎?那要不要經過這個法院的程序?沒有,就以預防性的這種理由就直接把它封網所以過去的話還要經過這個法院去申請這個限制令才能交給速發部去做封網那現在不用了嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:21,508 --> 00:03:46,865\n沒有,就我們希望再來的修法就是這樣,可以直接等於說預防他的這種性影像的散播,所以我們直接就封網就直接可以請這一個速發部他們就進行這一個封網就對了那所以就是說,你們發現說這個是這個性影像跟這個兒少性剝削有關係的,就可以不用經過法院這道程序,直接你們認定,那你們是哪個機關來認定\n\n12\n00:03:48,607 --> 00:04:03,624\n認定當然是衛福部這邊來認定衛福部哪個單位來做認定保護師他底下有設一個性影像處理中心就是有他的認定所以你們直接就跟數法部來做處理就對了數法部\n\n13\n00:04:04,565 --> 00:04:08,311\n衛務部已經針對所有機關去做盤點,已經把相關流程做一個盤點,而且未來修法方向也擬定了初步的條文。」\n\n14\n00:04:20,149 --> 00:04:43,601\n就像部長他所講的方向,行政處理就可以了,不用到法院端就對了。是,報告委員,動網機制有兩個,一個是法官那邊要去做,另外一個就是行政機關的,那現在我們處理是行政機關的部分。那行政機關的部分,它的條文大概,法務部的條文大概有幾個,就是直接通知所謂四個,一個是數位部,另外一個是通傳會。\n\n15\n00:04:44,802 --> 00:04:57,609\n因為通訊傳播委員會負責所有ISP業者另外一個是教育部負責所謂的學術教育網路另外一個是IASP業者就是所謂的真正的網際網路接取服務提供者所以他現在條文大概處理如上跟這四個單位來做這個封網的通知嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:02,823 --> 00:05:25,733\n不是,是由衛福部整個來...對對對,我說衛福部來通知,是影像處理中心來做通知,對不對?那這個運用網路科技,主動查查,這也是衛福部的工作嗎?目前的話,我們是有這一個條文,我們希望說有能夠有這種法律的授權但是實際上執行的話,也不一定就是由衛福部來執行\n\n17\n00:05:27,293 --> 00:05:53,718\n如果說警政署那邊有這種技術有這種單位的話其實由他們來做也可以時間有限我再問一個現在就是按照媒體他們所公布的一些訊息他說這個創意司法有80名的高級會員然後呢這個80個人還包含醫師、老師、工程師還有軍警而我不曉得這個法務部或是這個警政署有沒有相關的資料\n\n18\n00:05:56,454 --> 00:06:06,519\n是媒體所披露的高級會員80人,那包含上次,如果是包含這個老師啊、軍警啊,這還蠻嚴重的欸,你們有相關的資料嗎?或是說有任何偵辦的進度嗎?\n\n19\n00:06:10,698 --> 00:06:37,083\n跟委員報告,現在有關於剛剛委員垂詢這件事情,地監室已經在偵辦中。對,那的確有這件事情就對了。還在偵查中。還在偵查中。還在偵查。好,那我這,這個金管會也有來啦。就是說,現在就是金流要怎麼去斷啦。因為它現在,這一個它是等於是一個性剝削的產業啦。然後呢,它也現在這個也使用這個所謂的泰達幣來加入會員,甚至升級都是用這個虛擬貨幣。那接下來這個金流要怎麼斷啊?\n\n20\n00:06:41,949 --> 00:07:06,920\n報告委員,我們金管會的部分本來就要求這些跟我們完成法律的聲明這些平台那他們必須要沒有去登記你們這個法律的聲明這不可能去登記啦我問一下法務部或是說警政署關於金流這部分要斬斷這部分有沒有什麼具體的計畫\n\n21\n00:07:10,711 --> 00:07:35,988\n金流這部分,因為他這個查到80個人也是因為去查金流才查到這80個人嘛,對不對?跟委員說明,我們洗錢防治法有關於就金流部分就是有虛擬自產的部分現在要遵守法律,要讓它落地等等這些有規範在這個洗錢防治法上我一聽齁,大概齁你們還沒有什麼具體的做法,他為什麼這個死灰復燃而且人數越來越多,啊因為他就是這個\n\n22\n00:07:36,969 --> 00:08:06,077\n有這個會員有收費那會員收費呢那本身不斷提升影片還能夠升級那我意思是說前段是屬於這個影片下架的那後段你要去斬斷這個金流你斬斷這個金流他這個不管是這個創意思考或是其他類似的網站只要有辦法整個都斷掉啦那我我我因為時間有限那我是希望說你們就斬斷金流這部分的話能夠再做一個比較具體的一個報告或是說明出來好不好好不好好謝謝好謝謝主席\n\n23\n00:08:07,369 --> 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03:20.928\n就直接封網?你們要怎麼直接封網?你們還要再跟這個速發部再去請他們再封網嗎?那要不要經過這個法院的程序?沒有,就以預防性的這種理由就直接把它封網所以過去的話還要經過這個法院去申請這個限制令才能交給速發部去做封網那現在不用了嗎?\n\n03:21.508 --> 03:46.865\n沒有,就我們希望再來的修法就是這樣,可以直接等於說預防他的這種性影像的散播,所以我們直接就封網就直接可以請這一個速發部他們就進行這一個封網就對了那所以就是說,你們發現說這個是這個性影像跟這個兒少性剝削有關係的,就可以不用經過法院這道程序,直接你們認定,那你們是哪個機關來認定\n\n03:48.607 --> 04:03.624\n認定當然是衛福部這邊來認定衛福部哪個單位來做認定保護師他底下有設一個性影像處理中心就是有他的認定所以你們直接就跟數法部來做處理就對了數法部\n\n04:04.565 --> 04:08.311\n衛務部已經針對所有機關去做盤點,已經把相關流程做一個盤點,而且未來修法方向也擬定了初步的條文。」\n\n04:20.149 --> 04:43.601\n就像部長他所講的方向,行政處理就可以了,不用到法院端就對了。是,報告委員,動網機制有兩個,一個是法官那邊要去做,另外一個就是行政機關的,那現在我們處理是行政機關的部分。那行政機關的部分,它的條文大概,法務部的條文大概有幾個,就是直接通知所謂四個,一個是數位部,另外一個是通傳會。\n\n04:44.802 --> 04:57.609\n因為通訊傳播委員會負責所有ISP業者另外一個是教育部負責所謂的學術教育網路另外一個是IASP業者就是所謂的真正的網際網路接取服務提供者所以他現在條文大概處理如上跟這四個單位來做這個封網的通知嗎?\n\n05:02.823 --> 05:25.733\n不是,是由衛福部整個來...對對對,我說衛福部來通知,是影像處理中心來做通知,對不對?那這個運用網路科技,主動查查,這也是衛福部的工作嗎?目前的話,我們是有這一個條文,我們希望說有能夠有這種法律的授權但是實際上執行的話,也不一定就是由衛福部來執行\n\n05:27.293 --> 05:53.718\n如果說警政署那邊有這種技術有這種單位的話其實由他們來做也可以時間有限我再問一個現在就是按照媒體他們所公布的一些訊息他說這個創意司法有80名的高級會員然後呢這個80個人還包含醫師、老師、工程師還有軍警而我不曉得這個法務部或是這個警政署有沒有相關的資料\n\n05:56.454 --> 06:06.519\n是媒體所披露的高級會員80人,那包含上次,如果是包含這個老師啊、軍警啊,這還蠻嚴重的欸,你們有相關的資料嗎?或是說有任何偵辦的進度嗎?\n\n06:10.698 --> 06:37.083\n跟委員報告,現在有關於剛剛委員垂詢這件事情,地監室已經在偵辦中。對,那的確有這件事情就對了。還在偵查中。還在偵查中。還在偵查。好,那我這,這個金管會也有來啦。就是說,現在就是金流要怎麼去斷啦。因為它現在,這一個它是等於是一個性剝削的產業啦。然後呢,它也現在這個也使用這個所謂的泰達幣來加入會員,甚至升級都是用這個虛擬貨幣。那接下來這個金流要怎麼斷啊?\n\n06:41.949 --> 07:06.920\n報告委員,我們金管會的部分本來就要求這些跟我們完成法律的聲明這些平台那他們必須要沒有去登記你們這個法律的聲明這不可能去登記啦我問一下法務部或是說警政署關於金流這部分要斬斷這部分有沒有什麼具體的計畫\n\n07:10.711 --> 07:35.988\n金流這部分,因為他這個查到80個人也是因為去查金流才查到這80個人嘛,對不對?跟委員說明,我們洗錢防治法有關於就金流部分就是有虛擬自產的部分現在要遵守法律,要讓它落地等等這些有規範在這個洗錢防治法上我一聽齁,大概齁你們還沒有什麼具體的做法,他為什麼這個死灰復燃而且人數越來越多,啊因為他就是這個\n\n07:36.969 --> 08:06.077\n有這個會員有收費那會員收費呢那本身不斷提升影片還能夠升級那我意思是說前段是屬於這個影片下架的那後段你要去斬斷這個金流你斬斷這個金流他這個不管是這個創意思考或是其他類似的網站只要有辦法整個都斷掉啦那我我我因為時間有限那我是希望說你們就斬斷金流這部分的話能夠再做一個比較具體的一個報告或是說明出來好不好好不好好謝謝好謝謝主席\n\n08:07.369 --> 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