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00:01:51,200\n看來我們是非常嚴密的監控日本排放的動態還有每天的擴散動線這個主委之前有講過還有強化海域的輻射的監測那落實資訊的公開所以剛才也有委員這邊提到那未來有一些的資訊那如果有一些新的因素加了進去那未來應該怎麼讓民眾來知道那這個部分也很感謝貴會\n\n6\n00:01:52,361 --> 00:02:18,573\n那重要的結論就是一切都在掌握當中那請國人放心那那個本席這邊有一些想法跟建議那這個東西本席在你們報告非常的明確那這大家的一起合作那大家都可以放心那今天也各部會都有人出席但是我覺得事實上很重要的是核安會整體的成員那個專業程度就我跟你們的接觸是無庸置疑的\n\n7\n00:02:19,673 --> 00:02:37,022\n過去核安會包括在現在為醫學領域的貢獻是非常多的是不是大家可以考慮一下摒除所有非理性的反核的政治氛圍我知道貴會在目前的醫學領域還是投入了非常多\n\n8\n00:02:37,702 --> 00:02:52,228\n那剛才有委員講到這個核能的一個發展感覺上現在在臺灣有點像過街老鼠但是確實在每一個階段就像櫃會講的核能不是只有拿來發電所以核能在各個醫學的\n\n9\n00:02:52,788 --> 00:02:55,351\n二、審查113年度中央政府總預算有關核能安全委員會主管預算\n\n10\n00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:28,041\n好那所以這次日本的含氚廢水在專題報告上我們知道對象是日本那我們跟日本的這個關係應該算是還蠻有默契的所以這次他們應該對我們也算蠻友善的所以相關的數據還有我們要研議的一些因素他們應該是相對容易的獲得\n\n11\n00:03:28,982 --> 00:03:54,256\n那這邊呢就是在整備跟這個未來我想都沒有問題這日本跟我們的關係應該是沒問題但是呢亞洲地區關於有核電廠的國家像剛才前面的陳委員也提到中國那他就很關心如果中國也有這樣的議題呈現那就您剛才的一個回應看起來還是我們自己要來處理這件事情那我們就不知道中國給我們的數據會如何\n\n12\n00:03:55,717 --> 00:04:22,106\n那更何況在亞洲國家我知道好像印度那中國還有南韓都有那您在跟本席報告的時候我們知道台灣的海域然後跟日本的一個相互關係可是如果今天相似的事情出現在這些也有核能的國家那我們在外交的這個部分能夠也比較辦理嗎就是藉時那外交的這個關係能夠像這次日本這樣子這麼的\n\n13\n00:04:23,466 --> 00:04:23,506\n解凍案\n\n14\n00:04:47,324 --> 00:05:06,274\n外交部一貫的立場就是會配合這個核安會他在實務上面有任何的需求我們都會盡力的去跟這個相關的國家來協商溝通好好好謝謝那剛才我這邊提醒是因為剛才陳委員其實也有先談到中國\n\n15\n00:05:07,194 --> 00:05:26,344\n其實不只中國跟印度我們知道在先前跟主委這邊討論的時候各個海域、洋流、湧等等有很多海域的狀況海委會也請多注意都不一樣所以我們是不是應該未雨綢繆一下現在我們是運氣還蠻好的跟我們關係不錯的日本您也是台日關係的一個代表\n\n16\n00:05:26,724 --> 00:05:55,164\n那是不是可以把這個資訊帶回到部裡面我們應該未雨綢繆那看市核安會呢要有一個兵棋推演那還是外交部這邊要先做一些準備所以這個是我這邊的一個提醒日本也曾經公佈我們其實也有排放這個廢水入海他說我們在2021年4月份也有這個我們已經敲定就是他們的這個廢水\n\n17\n00:05:56,385 --> 00:06:19,191\n排放了那我們要很嚴密的監控那你們有一些數據公布了那我在這邊就不多談就是他們也公布了我們核三廠幾季的一個排放的廢水那這個包括法國的那個就是說排放廢水到海洋跟大氣裡面的一個狀況那這其實民眾沒有辦法知道的那麼清晰\n\n18\n00:06:19,591 --> 00:06:45,972\n有沒有可能這個會裡面可以把這個部分的資訊轉得相對比較清楚就像主委在跟本席這個報告的時候那對於就是這個承載量或者是就是最高值跟最低值的一個法定限值那讓民眾能夠清楚的知道那這個比例的兼具那大家會比較放心那\n\n19\n00:06:47,493 --> 00:07:13,076\n這個科學數據的一個基礎那怎麼樣合理安全我想這個是民眾對於核能安全了解的一個兩極化那我們常常都把很簡單的概念就這個等於那個那我們很感謝那個會裡面跟我們談到那個核能不只是只有發電而已那我們現在常常把那個A就等於B、B就等於C然後其實裡面有很細微的專業的因素那沒有辦法講清楚\n\n20\n00:07:13,936 --> 00:07:38,533\n就讓大家有些誤導那就變成兩極化然後非常的對立所以有沒有可能會裡面未來在這些安全值上那還有核能可以應用的層面上可以跟社會大眾用比較簡單的但是有科學根據的話語講清楚那因為這是非常專業的東西我們應該稍微這個逃脫政治的這個對立性那都是為大眾跟人民的安全\n\n21\n00:07:39,053 --> 00:07:39,133\n請勿模仿\n\n22\n00:07:54,028 --> 00:08:18,706\n我也會關心那個洋流啊、湧啊在各個不同的海域光是每一個港通都不一樣每一個碼頭都有很大的差異那更何況我們不要講說天氣很好產生的熱對流所以我會關心這些很小的因素但是這是個人知道的因素我不好在這邊多講但是既然幾個部會一起來這個支撐核安會讓我們這樣主委非常注意這個核安全性的問題\n\n23\n00:08:19,466 --> 00:08:47,992\n那在安全之後呢那這個核安會應該可以有更大的功能尤其是有這麼素質齊全和優秀的這個同仁在這個會裡面那我這邊期待我們這個核能的科學能夠更精進那最後作為一個原住民我還是要談雖然會裡面也是有跟我講到有關於蘭嶼的這個核廢料的問題那我知道會裡面也一直在努力所以我就有幾個訴求就是持續的監控但是要非常細緻那定期的說明\n\n24\n00:08:48,792 --> 00:09:10,553\n就是也是一樣就是清楚的說明讓大家了解那當然大家心理層面都會被A等於V然後V就等於C這樣子的社會氛圍所影響所以怎麼樣突破這個然後最後就是確實的大家的這個心裡的害怕有沒有可能真的做到大家心裡的期待的移除那這還是要把它當件事情做短中長期的一個計劃好嗎\n\n25\n00:09:12,797 --> 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謝謝那剛才我這邊提醒是因為剛才陳委員其實也有先談到中國\n307194\t326344\t其實不只中國跟印度我們知道在先前跟主委這邊討論的時候各個海域、洋流、湧等等有很多海域的狀況海委會也請多注意都不一樣所以我們是不是應該未雨綢繆一下現在我們是運氣還蠻好的跟我們關係不錯的日本您也是台日關係的一個代表\n326724\t355164\t那是不是可以把這個資訊帶回到部裡面我們應該未雨綢繆那看市核安會呢要有一個兵棋推演那還是外交部這邊要先做一些準備所以這個是我這邊的一個提醒日本也曾經公佈我們其實也有排放這個廢水入海他說我們在2021年4月份也有這個我們已經敲定就是他們的這個廢水\n356385\t379191\t排放了 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謝謝那剛才我這邊提醒是因為剛才陳委員其實也有先談到中國\n其實不只中國跟印度我們知道在先前跟主委這邊討論的時候各個海域、洋流、湧等等有很多海域的狀況海委會也請多注意都不一樣所以我們是不是應該未雨綢繆一下現在我們是運氣還蠻好的跟我們關係不錯的日本您也是台日關係的一個代表\n那是不是可以把這個資訊帶回到部裡面我們應該未雨綢繆那看市核安會呢要有一個兵棋推演那還是外交部這邊要先做一些準備所以這個是我這邊的一個提醒日本也曾經公佈我們其實也有排放這個廢水入海他說我們在2021年4月份也有這個我們已經敲定就是他們的這個廢水\n排放了 那我們要很嚴密的監控那你們有一些數據公布了那我在這邊就不多談就是他們也公布了我們核三廠幾季的一個排放的廢水那這個包括法國的那個就是說排放廢水到海洋跟大氣裡面的一個狀況那這其實民眾沒有辦法知道的那麼清晰\n有沒有可能這個會裡面可以把這個部分的資訊轉得相對比較清楚就像主委在跟本席這個報告的時候那對於就是這個承載量或者是就是最高值跟最低值的一個法定限值那讓民眾能夠清楚的知道那這個比例的兼具那大家會比較放心那\n這個科學數據的一個基礎那怎麼樣合理安全我想這個是民眾對於核能安全了解的一個兩極化那我們常常都把很簡單的概念就這個等於那個那我們很感謝那個會裡面跟我們談到那個核能不只是只有發電而已那我們現在常常把那個A就等於B、B就等於C然後其實裡面有很細微的專業的因素那沒有辦法講清楚\n就讓大家有些誤導那就變成兩極化然後非常的對立所以有沒有可能會裡面未來在這些安全值上那還有核能可以應用的層面上可以跟社會大眾用比較簡單的但是有科學根據的話語講清楚那因為這是非常專業的東西我們應該稍微這個逃脫政治的這個對立性那都是為大眾跟人民的安全\n請勿模仿\n我也會關心那個洋流啊、湧啊在各個不同的海域光是每一個港通都不一樣每一個碼頭都有很大的差異那更何況我們不要講說天氣很好產生的熱對流所以我會關心這些很小的因素但是這是個人知道的因素我不好在這邊多講但是既然幾個部會一起來這個支撐核安會讓我們這樣主委非常注意這個核安全性的問題\n那在安全之後呢那這個核安會應該可以有更大的功能尤其是有這麼素質齊全和優秀的這個同仁在這個會裡面那我這邊期待我們這個核能的科學能夠更精進那最後作為一個原住民我還是要談雖然會裡面也是有跟我講到有關於蘭嶼的這個核廢料的問題那我知道會裡面也一直在努力所以我就有幾個訴求就是持續的監控但是要非常細緻那定期的說明\n就是也是一樣就是清楚的說明讓大家了解那當然大家心理層面都會被A等於V然後V就等於C這樣子的社會氛圍所影響所以怎麼樣突破這個然後最後就是確實的大家的這個心裡的害怕有沒有可能真的做到大家心裡的期待的移除那這還是要把它當件事情做短中長期的一個計劃好嗎\n就謝謝各單位共勉之加油\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.434 --> 00:04.654\n請陳副主委跟張副主委\n\n00:25.444 --> 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那我們要很嚴密的監控那你們有一些數據公布了那我在這邊就不多談就是他們也公布了我們核三廠幾季的一個排放的廢水那這個包括法國的那個就是說排放廢水到海洋跟大氣裡面的一個狀況那這其實民眾沒有辦法知道的那麼清晰"},{"start":379.591,"end":405.972,"text":"有沒有可能這個會裡面可以把這個部分的資訊轉得相對比較清楚就像主委在跟本席這個報告的時候那對於就是這個承載量或者是就是最高值跟最低值的一個法定限值那讓民眾能夠清楚的知道那這個比例的兼具那大家會比較放心那"},{"start":407.493,"end":433.076,"text":"這個科學數據的一個基礎那怎麼樣合理安全我想這個是民眾對於核能安全了解的一個兩極化那我們常常都把很簡單的概念就這個等於那個那我們很感謝那個會裡面跟我們談到那個核能不只是只有發電而已那我們現在常常把那個A就等於B、B就等於C然後其實裡面有很細微的專業的因素那沒有辦法講清楚"},{"start":433.936,"end":458.533,"text":"就讓大家有些誤導那就變成兩極化然後非常的對立所以有沒有可能會裡面未來在這些安全值上那還有核能可以應用的層面上可以跟社會大眾用比較簡單的但是有科學根據的話語講清楚那因為這是非常專業的東西我們應該稍微這個逃脫政治的這個對立性那都是為大眾跟人民的安全"},{"start":459.053,"end":459.133,"text":"請勿模仿"},{"start":474.028,"end":498.706,"text":"我也會關心那個洋流啊、湧啊在各個不同的海域光是每一個港通都不一樣每一個碼頭都有很大的差異那更何況我們不要講說天氣很好產生的熱對流所以我會關心這些很小的因素但是這是個人知道的因素我不好在這邊多講但是既然幾個部會一起來這個支撐核安會讓我們這樣主委非常注意這個核安全性的問題"},{"start":499.466,"end":527.992,"text":"那在安全之後呢那這個核安會應該可以有更大的功能尤其是有這麼素質齊全和優秀的這個同仁在這個會裡面那我這邊期待我們這個核能的科學能夠更精進那最後作為一個原住民我還是要談雖然會裡面也是有跟我講到有關於蘭嶼的這個核廢料的問題那我知道會裡面也一直在努力所以我就有幾個訴求就是持續的監控但是要非常細緻那定期的說明"},{"start":528.792,"end":550.553,"text":"就是也是一樣就是清楚的說明讓大家了解那當然大家心理層面都會被A等於V然後V就等於C這樣子的社會氛圍所影響所以怎麼樣突破這個然後最後就是確實的大家的這個心裡的害怕有沒有可能真的做到大家心裡的期待的移除那這還是要把它當件事情做短中長期的一個計劃好嗎"},{"start":552.797,"end":557.654,"text":"就謝謝各單位共勉之加油"}]}}}}