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00:00:57,211\n那我們當然是期待今年年底的景氣會越來越好那在這個當下景氣還沒有完全恢復的當下那我們今天在討論工廠管理輔導法今天的修法我當然全力支持但是呢工廠管理輔導法在前次的修法我們為了就是要輔導農地上的工廠可以合法\n\n4\n00:00:57,711 --> 00:01:07,094\n那我們一部的一部的和呃輔導那所以呢我也認為說呃我們方向是正確的但是在執行面上我還是要請經濟部部長呃施政是要無縫接軌我也希望未來的經濟部能夠好好的去了解現在呃在工廠管理輔導法我們修法過後正在申請特定工廠的這些中小企業傳統產業他碰到的困境\n\n5\n00:01:26,460 --> 00:01:27,401\n第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆第11屆\n\n6\n00:01:54,608 --> 00:02:16,287\n所以地方政府現在你也知道他在審理的時候改善計畫很慢非常的慢那在這麼情況之下第一個我們除了要求地方政府要增加人力那也要增加他的專業度而且他們審查的標準應該要全台灣有一致性這個我們經濟部要介入協調\n\n7\n00:02:18,028 --> 00:02:22,513\n這第一個啦雖然我每次問這一題你們經濟部都跟我說有協調有協調但是呢那為什麼各地方政府在審認的一些標準細節上的審認標準還是不一樣我想不是我提而已剛剛有其他的委員提到這第一點因為呢這些申請納管的特定工廠申請中的這些工廠樣態非常的多\n\n8\n00:02:41,892 --> 00:02:42,433\n負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任負責任\n\n9\n00:02:58,413 --> 00:03:27,045\n那還有效率要提高現在的效率非常的緩慢所以呢像臺中市我知道的他可能改善計畫的一個審查都還不到一半而這衍生一個什麼問題衍生出我們其他的配套的問題之前我跟經濟部總辦講過其中一個配套是什麼現在的特定工廠正在申請中的所謂的這個農地上的工廠他申請納管了但是他的改善計畫也送了\n\n10\n00:03:28,152 --> 00:03:34,725\n但是卡在台中市政府還沒有審查完畢所以他變成什麼他的外籍移工的合法派遣\n\n11\n00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:51,089\n出現了問題,這個問題還不是我們經濟部中辦幫產業界想到的,這個問題還是因為產業界來拜託民意代表,就是拜託立法委員說委員這個時間就要到了,為什麼我們經濟部都沒有主動幫我們中小企業來發聲,放任了這個勞動部還要啟動專案,要從今年的3月19號之後就要開始稽查,這是矛盾的,\n\n12\n00:04:03,046 --> 00:04:04,488\n二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案案案。\n\n13\n00:04:23,488 --> 00:04:28,169\n一個依據讓他知道這個狀況勞動部說那我可以把這個A、B廠的外籍移工的這個合法申請派錢的這個效期我可以延期你們經濟部還不發文欸你們經濟部還不發文欸就是沒有發文因為這是我親自協調的所以勞動部他知道這個情況了之後自己延長了\n\n14\n00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:56,141\n你們經濟部不是應該就站在這個產業輔導嗎而且呢這個特定工廠正在申請當中這個改善計畫沒有審查完畢不是這些申請者的責任啊不是他們的問題啊是政府考量的問題啊結果我們沒有幫忙解決問題這是第一個第二個我必須要提醒部長我們現在正在申請特定工廠的改善計畫裡面我\n\n15\n00:05:15,185 --> 00:05:21,049\n三十萬、三十萬、五十萬到一百萬不等再幫這些特定工廠來申請,那現在這個改善計畫的撰寫也一樣要代辦費,而且還不包含你們裡面要求的水利設施、消防改善、環保改善、或者生活污水評估,你知道嗎?這零零總總\n\n16\n00:05:45,785 --> 00:05:51,669\n十幾項裡面光是一個生活污水評估你知道就要價多少嗎另外再開價五十萬你像那一個中小企業我們既然政府有心輔導他合法可是呢在這個代辦費用之外我們要求的這個改善計畫的每一項零零種種的改善要求裡面對中小企業來講每一項都要錢\n\n17\n00:06:09,901 --> 00:06:11,402\n那為什麼我們政府的輔導團的這個預算編了我們輔導團的作用又在哪裡不過我想也趁這個機會請委員去轉達第一個我們那個改善計畫我們有範本那第二個我們政府的經費我們政府經費確實有像委員講有輔導團來協助他那這個部分就可以降低委員講在外面被\n\n18\n00:06:32,816 --> 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