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11:49:25","影片長度":"00:08:31","會議時間":"2024-04-24T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請衛生福利部部長就「家暴零容忍-檢討112年家庭暴力防治法修正施行概況」進行專題報告，並備質詢。\n二、邀請衛生福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會就「非法網站創意私房案件，提出兒少性影像防制具體作為、檢討報告，並就兒童及少年性剝削防制條例修正方向」進行專題報告，並備質詢。\n【專題報告綜合詢答】\n【4月22日、24日及25日三天一次會】）","date":"2024-04-24","meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":13,"committees":[26],"id":"委員會-11-1-26-13"},"duration":511,"end_time":"2024-04-24T11:49:25+08:00","start_time":"2024-04-24T11:40:54+08:00","features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"type":"Clip","gazette":{"lineno":830,"blocks":[["楊委員瓊瓔：（11時41分）主席，楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。"],["主席：請薛部長。"],["薛部長瑞元：委員好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：部長好。部長，本席要跟你討論封網，它龜速卡卡的，問題到底卡在哪裡？"],["薛部長瑞元：你說什麼卡卡的？"],["楊委員瓊瓔：偷拍的封網的這一個速度慢，龜速、慢，那它卡在哪裡？"],["薛部長瑞元：過去是因為我們有施行細則，必須要有幾個階段再去做處理，比方說可能民眾檢舉之後我們要去……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以你們沒有辦法主動嘛，是民眾檢舉，換句話說就是被動。"],["薛部長瑞元：是。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席上一次也跟你討論過這個議題，你們也有積極在做，上個禮拜五你們也跟相關單位趕快去整合。整合的方向當然最主要的也就是可以預防重於治療，只要發現你們就可以……"],["薛部長瑞元：就先動手。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：就先動手了。這個本席是非常希望也非常讚許，因為我們不能讓這個事件再發生。這樣的一個情況之下，你們在禮拜五所討論的內容大概方向，除了可以預備動作，只要發現有狀況的時候，可以先預防性的封網，是不是？"],["薛部長瑞元：是，差不多是這個意思。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：那其他呢，還有沒有幾個重點？"],["薛部長瑞元：其他幾個重點包括付費觀賞性影像，這個以前沒有入罪，現在我們打算也要把它……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：這一個部分也匡列進來，付費觀賞的這個部分。好，再來呢？"],["薛部長瑞元：剛剛提到主動的去封網之外，還有一個。因為現在有兩種違法的模式，一種就是剛剛講的，它是一個網站，所以用主動預防性的封網來做處理。但是另外還有一個，就是有人上傳到某一個媒體或者是平臺上面去。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對。"],["薛部長瑞元：這個就要讓他下架，因為他可能是在Facebook上面去po出來，也有可能說是在LINE裡面去po出來……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對。"],["薛部長瑞元：這個沒有辦法用封網的方式去做處理，所以就要他下架，過去的話是它的程序太冗長，人家檢舉之後還要去通知當事人……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：緩不濟急啦。"],["薛部長瑞元：通知當事人的時候……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：那你們怎麼樣去簡化這個SOP流程呢？"],["薛部長瑞元：對，這個部分就是希望說能夠簡化。簡單來講，就是要處理掉電子送達的那個問題。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：我們歡喜聽到部長你剛才所說的，因為過去一年封網的只有9件，可是我們明知道社會大眾已經有這麼多的污染，已經很清楚，而且對受害者而言，這是一輩子都不知道該怎麼處理的，所以不能再有這樣的事件發生。所以我要請教，目前你們的進度有在進行式，你們預計什麼時候會有條文出來？"],["薛部長瑞元：條文現在我們大致上都擬好，但是那個算是參考條文，也是要給……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，請問你們的預估KPI裡頭，什麼時候會送出？因為社會大眾很期待，什麼時候？"],["薛部長瑞元：應該這個禮拜，我們大概就會把它讓衛環委員會的委員都能夠知道。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：就這個禮拜。換句話說，本席如此的解讀你看對不對，也就是在這個禮拜五以前，你們會將這段時間所討論的綜合之後，條文擬定稿出來？"],["薛部長瑞元：對，就建議條文，建議的條文會出來。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，我們也希望趕快出來，因為這樣朝野協商、朝野討論才能夠更加的精進，我們期待。因為本席有提案，我真的很難過看到這樣的事件發生，所以我希望政府要有為，一起來做，這是第一個議題。"],["薛部長瑞元：好、好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：接下來本席要請教，家庭暴力防治法修法之後，這個家暴安全網很多人就說我如果去申請保護令，受到的二次傷害更大，而且我也看到這個數字也讓我很難過，通報家暴去年有達到13萬2,147件的高峰，這個是顯性的，隱性沒有通報的還不知道多少，這個社會太痛苦了。在這樣的情況之下，目前修法之後親密關係是包括婚姻、離婚、同居，所以實際上處理的時候，訪視人員太辛苦了，這個非常的複雜。所以本席要請教，我們是希望保護令能夠真正得到保護，但是也造成了很多的二次傷害。所以在這樣的情況之下，家暴的安全網……當然它包括了很多，警政、教育、衛生、社政、民政、戶政，勞工等等單位的一個整合，因為本席在社會學跟社工系裡頭，好好在研討這個問題。那你要結合這麼多的單位，又面臨到這麼複雜的一個情境，所以我認為目前的執行跟目前的法律還是沒有辦法保護這些人員，而且它數量在增加。","所以我具體的建議，第一個，你們整個流程要怎麼樣讓受害者，申請保護令的人可以真正去得到保護，有什麼精進的方案，這第一個；第二個，訪視人員明明白白是不夠的，那部長你應該要去盤點。跟剛剛我在司法委員會一樣，司法院的司法官二十幾歲給你跳下來，這太難過的事情。那平均案件那麼多，所以怎麼辦？所以它盤點所需的人力，它盤點出來。那我也希望衛福部這邊要盤點，訪視的人員到底要怎麼樣去增加，這個非常非常的重要，接下來家暴防治中心，你的主任、社工人員的培訓，當你培訓不足的時候，你還有怎麼樣的量能可以加入？可以加入當然包括了社團，但是必須要去培訓，如果沒有培訓那會更模糊，所以本席在這邊具體建議這兩項，請教部長。"],["薛部長瑞元：好，這部分的話，其實沒有錯啦，整個的人力必須要去做盤點，因為包括社會安全網在內，這一些部分其實是蠻複雜的。不過像保護令，也就是家暴防治的這個部分的話，我想還是必須要把案件類型整理出來。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝，多久時間？你去盤點出來好不好，我們一起加油。"],["薛部長瑞元：好、好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：真的，我看到訪視人員太辛苦了，你需要多久的時間盤點告訴我們，告訴社會大眾你們的需求？"],["薛部長瑞元：我們可能就儘快啦，我們就儘快。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：大概多久時間？沒關係，你告訴我。"],["薛部長瑞元：我本來想說一個月啦，但是一個月我就不在了。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以你要有所作為啊，我就等你這句話，對不對！"],["薛部長瑞元：對啊，我就說我們希望是一個月之內，希望啦。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你在520之前提出嘛，好不好？"],["薛部長瑞元：我們儘量啦。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：可以啦，那沒有問題啦！兩個禮拜內提出沒有問題啦，就盤查啦，好不好？你至少有一個成績嘛，好不好，兩個禮拜之內盤查出來好不好？"],["薛部長瑞元：好、好、好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：謝謝，我們加油。"],["主席：謝謝楊瓊瓔委員。","現在處理臨時提案，總共有9案，請一併宣讀。","一、","衛生福利部於2024年2月統計所屬26家醫院，設有放射診斷科共計20家醫院，設有20個主管職務中，其中10名由放射診斷科醫師兼任，1名由醫事放射師兼任，其餘9名由其他科別醫師暫代。基於適才適任，科主管一職應由相關專業人才擔任為原則，部立醫院更應作為全國醫療院所之表率，以增加相關醫事人員的專業認同。","提案人：蘇巧慧　　黃秀芳　　王正旭　　林月琴","二、","因應C0VID-19相關費用自2023年3月20日回歸健保支應，已造成健保點值有所下降，該年度最終編列公務預算撥補健保。2024年健保總額成長4.7%為健保過去8年來首度成長率達到核定上限，然而，經查2024年1-2月醫療點數申報成長率達9.66%，其中醫院成長8.81%、西醫基層成長16.32%，皆遠高於健保總額成長4.7%，COVID-19輕症門診稀釋健保點值仍持續發生，爰建請衛生福利部持續關注2024年各季健保點值之變化，並邀集相關團體共同研議對策，以穩定醫療品質與量能。","提案人：蘇巧慧　　黃秀芳　　王正旭　　林月琴","三、","我國部分醫事人員面臨人力短缺，特別須配合醫療院所各科室執行二十四小時醫療勤務輪值之醫療院所，該院該醫事人員在招募及留才上更面臨挑戰。為減緩現有護理人力短缺，行政院於2023年9月28日通過護理人力政策整備12項策略計畫，其中之一「護理人員夜班費獎勵」立意良善，爰建請衛生福利部於三個月內盤點各醫事人員人力情形，對於人力短缺者研議予以夜班費獎勵，並將盤點及研議結果送至社會福利及衛生環境委員會。","提案人：蘇巧慧　　黃秀芳　　王正旭　　林月琴","四、","查過去兒少法實施過程中，校園中如發生符合兒少法通報要求的事件，依衛福部《兒童及少年保護通報與分級分類處理及調查辦法》，相關通報將會回歸校園進行行政調查。然因過去機制中沒有要求校園的調查結果要回送社政機關進行裁罰，故實務上即會發生就出現即便教育行政端對事件調查事實確認，也做出依教育法規的處分（記過、停聘、解將、不續聘），但因為社政機關對相關調查毫無所悉，更遑論做出兒少權法的裁罰。最直接的影響，就是在社政體系經兒少法裁罰後能透過公告加害人姓名，讓一般的家長能藉由查詢來確認接觸孩子的成年人是否曾有兒少法裁罰紀錄，但在校園中即便加害者行為已經符合兒少法裁法的標準，也會因為社政機關未追蹤與裁罰，形成家長們在查詢時的盲區。","經近半年與衛福部、教育部跨部會討論，目前相關標準作業流程雖已修正，然為使相關制度能夠更完整，也讓過往可能漏接的個案受到應有裁罰，爰要求衛福部應請各地方社政機關向教育機關追溯行政罰法27條三年時效內之校園調查報告，由社政單位重新檢視校園內調查屬實且未經兒少法裁罰之個案。前述校園查證屬實但未經兒少法裁罰案件提供狀況，與後續裁罰狀況之書面報告，請於三個月內提供立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會。","提案人：陳培瑜　　林月琴　　黃秀芳　　劉建國","五、","案由：","有鑑於本月的調漲電價措施，致使醫療產業在照顧弱勢及永續重要性因此受到衝擊，更讓各醫院在健保總額制度之下，被迫需讓病患透過分擔漲價後的掛號費來平衡高昂之電費成本。爰此，考量當前全國醫院當中僅地區醫院受到電費補貼，如此實難以解決整體醫療韌性受損之事實，是以決議速啟動對於各層級醫院辦理電價補貼之研議作業，俟後並於二個月內向本院衛環委員會提交書面報告。","提案人：陳菁徽　　　邱鎮軍　　楊瓊瓔　　廖偉翔　　洪孟楷","六、","案由：","有鑑於街生福利部乃我國刑事政策中重要角色，並透過主管的《兒童及少年性剝削防制條例》第37條內容所明定的死刑規範，來維繫被害兒少遭遇天理難容多類犯行之事後對兇嫌的應報，以及事前預防的處分威嚇。然而，考量近期我國死刑制度之存廢，可能會受到釋憲作業宣告違憲，因此衛生福利部需再配合對《兒童及少年性剝削防制條例》第37條修法予以廢止死刑內容，進而衝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{\"word\": \"員\"}, {\"word\": \"會\"}, {\"word\": \"、\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:06,758 --> 00:00:10,039\n主席、楊潔瑜發言,再邀請部長,請薛部長。委員好。部長好。部長,本席要跟你討論的是封網呢,那它歸宿卡卡的,到底問題卡在哪裡?偷拍的這個封網,那這個速度慢,歸宿慢,那它卡在哪裡?\n\n2\n00:00:34,113 --> 00:00:48,064\n通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、金融監督管理委員會\n\n3\n00:01:05,277 --> 00:01:32,940\n預防綜維治療,只要發現你們就可以先動手了。」這個是本席非常希望也非常讚許因為我們不能讓這個事件再發生那這樣的一個情況之下你們在禮拜五所討論的內容大概方向除了這個你們可以預備動作只要發現有狀況的時候可以先預防性的封網是不是?對,差不多是這個意思\n\n4\n00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:50,928\n那其他呢?還有幾個重點?其他還有幾個重點,包括就是說這一個付費觀賞、現影像,以前都沒有入罪,現在我們打算這一個也要把它讓…這一個部分也匡列進來?付費觀賞的這個部分?\n\n5\n00:01:53,049 --> 00:02:19,300\n那剛剛提到的主動去封網之外的話還有一個就是說因為現在有兩種這種違法的模式一種就是剛剛講的那它是一個網站所以這用主動預防性的封網來做處理但是另外還有一個就是這種有人上傳到某一個媒體或者是平台上面去\n\n6\n00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:35,707\n這個就要讓他下架因為他可能是說在Facebook上面去PO出來也有可能說是在LINE裡面去PO出來那這個我們沒有辦法用封網的方式去做處理所以就要他下架那過去的話是他的程序太冗長\n\n7\n00:02:36,827 --> 00:03:00,179\n人家檢舉之後的話,我們還要去通知當事人,要通知當事人的時候。那你們怎麼樣簡化這個SOP流程呢?對,我們這個部分都希望就是說能夠簡化。簡單來講的話,就是要處理掉那個送達的那個問題,電子送達的那個問題。我們歡喜聽到部長你剛才所說的,因為我們看到過去一年,那封網的只有9件。\n\n8\n00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:09,846\n法務部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會\n\n9\n00:03:22,645 --> 00:03:43,756\n出來,你們預計的時間?條文現在我們大致上都擬好,但是大概算是參考條文對,所以請問你們的預估KPI裡頭,什麼時候會送出?因為社會大眾很期待,什麼時候?應該這個禮拜我們大概就會把它讓衛環委員會裡面的委員都能夠知道\n\n10\n00:03:44,376 --> 00:03:58,641\n這個禮拜。」就換句話說,本集如此的解讀,看對不對,也就是在這個禮拜五以前,你們會將你們這一段時間所討論的綜合之後,這個條文寧定搞出來。\n\n11\n00:03:59,221 --> 00:04:00,202\n建議條文。」接下來本席要請教\n\n12\n00:04:22,663 --> 00:04:44,259\n我們這個家庭暴力防治法裡頭我們修法之後保護令也這個家暴安全法那很多人就說我如果去申請保護令他受到的二次傷害更大更大而且我也看到了這個數量也數字也讓我很難過去年有達到13萬件\n\n13\n00:04:46,923 --> 00:05:14,732\n二千一百四十七件的高峰通報家暴那這個是顯性的隱性沒有通報的還不知道多少那這個社會太痛苦了在這樣的情況之下目前我們是修法之後是親密關係它是包括婚姻、離婚、同居所以實際上大家處理的時候我們的訪視人員太辛苦了這個非常的複雜所以本期要請教\n\n14\n00:05:16,601 --> 00:05:42,718\n保護令我們是希望能夠真正得到保護但是也造成了很多的惡質傷害所以在這樣的情況之下呢家暴的安全網呢當然它包括了很多警政、教育、衛生、社政、民政、戶政、勞工等等單位的一個整合因為本席在社會學跟社工系裡頭我們在好好在研討這個問題那你要結合了這麼多的單位\n\n15\n00:05:47,381 --> 00:06:10,631\n所以又面臨到這麼複雜的一個情境所以我們現在目前我認為目前的執行跟目前的法律還是沒有辦法保護這些人員而且他數量在增加數量在增加所以我具體的建議第一個你們整個流程要怎麼樣讓受害者可以申請保護令的人可以真正\n\n16\n00:06:11,551 --> 00:06:33,358\n去得到保護,我們有什麼堅定的方案?」這第一個。第二個,也就是你的訪視人員明明白白是不夠的。明明白白是不夠的。那部長,你應該要去盤點。跟剛剛我在司法委員會一樣,司法院的司法官二十幾歲給你跳下來,這太難過的事情。那平均案件那麼多,\n\n17\n00:06:34,418 --> 00:07:00,652\n所以怎麼辦所以他們盤點所需的人力他盤點出來那我也希望我們衛福部這邊你盤點你這個訪視的人員你到底要怎麼樣去增加這個非常非常的重要接下來也就是你的家暴防治中心你的主任、社工人員的一個培訓當你不足的時候你還有怎麼樣的量能可以加入\n\n18\n00:07:01,693 --> 00:07:12,044\n可以加入當然包括了社團但是你必須要去培訓你如果沒有培訓那會更模糊了所以本席在這邊具體建議這兩項請教部長\n\n19\n00:07:14,551 --> 00:07:37,085\n好,那這部分的話其實沒有錯啦,這整個人力必須要去做盤點,因為這些社會安全網包括在內的這一些部分的話其實是蠻複雜的那不過像這個保護鏈,也就是家暴防治的這個部分的話,我想我們還是必須要把案件類型把它整理出來\n\n20\n00:07:38,186 --> 00:07:47,979\n謝謝,多久時間,你去盤點出來好不好,我們一起加油,真的我看到我們訪視人員太辛苦了,你多久時間告訴我們,盤點,你們的需求,大概多久時間,沒關係你告訴我\n\n21\n00:07:55,319 --> 00:08:24,538\n我本來想說一個月啦但是一個月我就不在了所以你要有所作為啊我就等你這句話啊對不對對啊我就說我們希望是一個月之內希望啦你在520之前提出嘛好不好我們盡量啦可以啦那沒有問題啦兩個禮拜內提出沒有問題就盤查啦好不好你至少有一個成績嘛好不好兩個禮拜之內盤查出來好不好好謝謝我們加油\n\n22\n00:08:25,982 --> 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