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--> 00:02.112\n有請部長部長請部長好\n\n00:13.277 --> 00:22.323\n上次本席有質詢有關新式國造抗彈板的問題本席還是呼籲一下國防部請務必要確保能抵擋共軍5.8口徑子彈的話至少還是要做到NIZ標準的RF2的等級的防護才夠但如果國防部認為\n\n00:32.270 --> 00:37.914\n衣紗皮的標準的抗彈板太重的話會造成國軍的士兵的負擔那要我覺得應該用更科學的方式來加強官兵的體能其實這個才是正本清源的方式所以現在運動科學其實比以前進步很多以運動科學為基礎的話針對機群的訓練還有搭配適當的飲食和睡眠其實可以非常有系統性的大幅提高官兵的體能\n\n01:02.350 --> 01:10.615\n例如美國陸軍H2F的計劃就是把運動生理還有營養學還有運動心理還有精神和睡眠的專業知識普及到全軍的110個營級的單位甚至會讓每個營區的健身房都配置專業的健身教練還有物理治療師還有營養師那請問部長目前我們每個營區都是有設置健身房嗎?\n\n01:31.848 --> 01:32.788\n徐巧芯等20人擬具\n\n01:53.201 --> 01:53.822\n徐巧芯等20人擬具\n\n02:14.145 --> 02:25.561\n但是何事建議部長說其實不適合設置健身房還是器材不足的營區是不是可以跟周邊民間的健身業者合作請健身房的健身教練協助官兵來特定的機群還有體能的訓練\n\n02:30.936 --> 02:37.100\n所以這也是思考方向之一嘛,所以我們也可以試看看。好,然後雖然國軍有部分,其實大家都有意識到運動科學的重要性,例如體測,現在也是都用捲腹來取代上到腰部的仰臥起坐嘛,但總體上面還是在推廣的階段還沒有到非常的普及。\n\n02:50.567 --> 03:09.761\n所以這邊北市想要請部長加速普及性,在運動科學方面還有以科學的方法練兵,其實可以讓整個數值有系統性的成長,那OK嗎?可以嗎?這應該要做的,都對他健康又有利,體能也可以提升,這種當樂見。\n\n03:13.363 --> 03:28.533\n去年抗彈板的問題其實報出來就是有因為一個美國網紅對抗彈板進行野地的測試所以那前幾天有一個網紅又對國軍的抗彈頭盔進行了測試那請問部長國防部有對這件事情有掌握嗎?\n\n03:32.287 --> 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