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00:02:19,165\n也都要管理,那這個就歸地方政府應該要去查查。」不是喔,這個喔,我們都希望就是說不管你是修公服法也好或是其他都是希望避免這個降低災損嘛,避免要造成經濟上的一些影響。不過部長如果你有留意啊,就是這個產業最害怕的其實就是火災嘛。\n\n7\n00:02:19,565 --> 00:02:41,071\n除了停電之外,停電很多人問過你了,我今天就不問你了。我們今天拍到火災嘛,對不對?那火災的時候這幾次大型的火災上全國關注的,包含美孚倉儲啊、PCHome的林口倉庫跟家樂福,其實都是倉儲啊。那難道他不應該被特案的來做檢討嗎?部長知不知道這個倉儲的火災佔各種火災發生的比例大概有多少?\n\n8\n00:02:42,629 --> 00:03:08,650\n這個我倒沒有特別去統計過有人相關的那個負責的單位要不要救援一下你們有研究這件事嗎沒有特別統計對這個都有地方的消防單位在做統計是啊按照這個110年的消防統計年報當然住宅的火災比例當然是最高的然後再營業場所這是因為數量母體數量的關係但是部長看一下作業場所也就一般大家認知的所謂的工廠在這個\n\n9\n00:03:12,612 --> 00:03:36,040\n總計411場火災,倉庫371件。」那這個不管是六都或非六都你都看得出來其實啊這個火災裡面倉庫佔總體大概我們講排除住宅排除商業啊也就是大家講的這個製造業的這一塊裡面來講其實倉庫火災的數量大概就佔40%接近一半的比例啊那部長這難道我們不應該特別針對這個地方去做一個檢討嗎\n\n10\n00:03:38,211 --> 00:03:44,336\n我覺得這個部分我們在跨部會的時候而且也確實像委員講桃園發生了幾件那我這個部分我再請我們的同仁跟消防署跟地方政府我們看對這個倉儲的這個部分因為它確實裡面會燜燒的問題那怎麼樣做更好的管理這個我來跟幾個單位來一起討論因為這個倉儲因為本身堆放大量的貨物它會活載量\n\n11\n00:04:03,692 --> 00:04:04,233\n負責管理負責管理負責管理負責管理\n\n12\n00:04:20,856 --> 00:04:42,860\n那我覺得倉儲的相關的管理規範也不能置外於這樣子的法案修正啦那按照過去的這政府裡面這個有提到倉儲兩個字比如說農藥運輸倉儲在法條裡面只是規範的是農藥不是倉儲相關的都是一些類似這樣子的一個概念所以這個自由貿易港區也是一樣肥料土地都是講倉儲是法條裡面的文字從來沒有針對整個倉儲業\n\n13\n00:04:46,641 --> 00:05:05,655\n遇到的產業困境遇到的消防法規危險物申報等等沒有一個統一的規範這我覺得是不對的啦因為按照災損比例來講他其實幾乎是跟工廠是一樣的他的風險是比工廠還高的所以我希望經濟部在這邊趕快來做個研討啦針對這你們當然講他跨部會也需要中央地方來積極協力合作但是我覺得這個這個這個項目要獨立出來被討論有專門的法律來做規定針對環保針對這個消防\n\n14\n00:05:14,482 --> 00:05:17,544\n恐怕才是對這個業界建立秩序比較積極的做法了。」\n\n15\n00:05:44,745 --> 00:05:45,454\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n342\t27510\t發言 。」好,謝謝主席。經濟部長有請。來,請王部長。好,委員好。是。不好意思,我們看一下投影片。\n33561\t61450\t好沒關係部長我們先開始討論這樣節省會議的時間這個今天要討論的是這個工輔法的一個修正對不對當然工輔法是時間很長然後大家也針對各個法條去提出讓這個法案越加完善比如說這一次有講違反危險物品的申報義務的處罰條款的增列工廠這個加保僱主意外責任險它其實是逐步讓工廠管理輔導法事件完善但是本期今天要提一個\n63832\t78447\t這個應該是經濟部我覺得應該早就要開始的一個案子就是有關於倉儲的管理啊這個部長我們的倉儲應該也算是經濟產業的一環對不對倉儲如果是物流業那物流業也是一環是\n80659\t82120\t二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關\n95050\t98293\t跟委員報告事實上倉儲的問題我們有做過跨部會的討論那因為倉儲它所在地區有的在一般區域其實有一些在特定區那所以它其實規管的會有不同的單位這是第一個那第二個倉儲業者一定也要受到消防法的規範所以消防裡面其實就有規定說你在裡面有危險的物品有多少量以上也都要申報\n122270\t139165\t也都要管理,那這個就歸地方政府應該要去查查。」不是喔,這個喔,我們都希望就是說不管你是修公服法也好或是其他都是希望避免這個降低災損嘛,避免要造成經濟上的一些影響。不過部長如果你有留意啊,就是這個產業最害怕的其實就是火災嘛。\n139565\t161071\t除了停電之外,停電很多人問過你了,我今天就不問你了。我們今天拍到火災嘛,對不對?那火災的時候這幾次大型的火災上全國關注的,包含美孚倉儲啊、PC Home的林口倉庫跟家樂福,其實都是倉儲啊。那難道他不應該被特案的來做檢討嗎?部長知不知道這個倉儲的火災佔各種火災發生的比例大概有多少?\n162629\t188650\t這個我倒沒有特別去統計過有人相關的那個負責的單位要不要救援一下你們有研究這件事嗎沒有特別統計對這個都有地方的消防單位在做統計是啊按照這個110年的消防統計年報當然住宅的火災比例當然是最高的然後再營業場所這是因為數量母體數量的關係但是部長看一下作業場所也就一般大家認知的所謂的工廠在這個\n192612\t216040\t總計411場火災,倉庫371件。」那這個不管是六都或非六都你都看得出來其實啊這個火災裡面倉庫佔總體大概我們講排除住宅排除商業啊也就是大家講的這個製造業的這一塊裡面來講其實倉庫火災的數量大概就佔40%接近一半的比例啊那部長這難道我們不應該特別針對這個地方去做一個檢討嗎\n218211\t224336\t我覺得這個部分我們在跨部會的時候而且也確實像委員講桃園發生了幾件那我這個部分我再請我們的同仁跟消防署跟地方政府我們看對這個倉儲的這個部分因為它確實裡面會燜燒的問題那怎麼樣做更好的管理這個我來跟幾個單位來一起討論因為這個倉儲因為本身堆放大量的貨物它會活載量\n243692\t244233\t負責管理負責管理負責管理負責管理\n260856\t282860\t那我覺得倉儲的相關的管理規範也不能置外於這樣子的法案修正啦那按照過去的這政府裡面這個有提到倉儲兩個字比如說農藥運輸倉儲在法條裡面只是規範的是農藥不是倉儲相關的都是一些類似這樣子的一個概念所以這個自由貿易港區也是一樣肥料土地都是講倉儲是法條裡面的文字從來沒有針對整個倉儲業\n286641\t305655\t遇到的產業困境遇到的消防法規危險物申報等等沒有一個統一的規範這我覺得是不對的啦因為按照災損比例來講他其實幾乎是跟工廠是一樣的他的風險是比工廠還高的所以我希望經濟部在這邊趕快來做個研討啦針對這你們當然講他跨部會也需要中央地方來積極協力合作但是我覺得這個這個這個項目要獨立出來被討論有專門的法律來做規定針對環保針對這個消防\n314482\t317544\t恐怕才是對這個業界建立秩序比較積極的做法了。」\n344745\t345454\t第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案。\n","txt":"發言 。」好,謝謝主席。經濟部長有請。來,請王部長。好,委員好。是。不好意思,我們看一下投影片。\n好沒關係部長我們先開始討論這樣節省會議的時間這個今天要討論的是這個工輔法的一個修正對不對當然工輔法是時間很長然後大家也針對各個法條去提出讓這個法案越加完善比如說這一次有講違反危險物品的申報義務的處罰條款的增列工廠這個加保僱主意外責任險它其實是逐步讓工廠管理輔導法事件完善但是本期今天要提一個\n這個應該是經濟部我覺得應該早就要開始的一個案子就是有關於倉儲的管理啊這個部長我們的倉儲應該也算是經濟產業的一環對不對倉儲如果是物流業那物流業也是一環是\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關\n跟委員報告事實上倉儲的問題我們有做過跨部會的討論那因為倉儲它所在地區有的在一般區域其實有一些在特定區那所以它其實規管的會有不同的單位這是第一個那第二個倉儲業者一定也要受到消防法的規範所以消防裡面其實就有規定說你在裡面有危險的物品有多少量以上也都要申報\n也都要管理,那這個就歸地方政府應該要去查查。」不是喔,這個喔,我們都希望就是說不管你是修公服法也好或是其他都是希望避免這個降低災損嘛,避免要造成經濟上的一些影響。不過部長如果你有留意啊,就是這個產業最害怕的其實就是火災嘛。\n除了停電之外,停電很多人問過你了,我今天就不問你了。我們今天拍到火災嘛,對不對?那火災的時候這幾次大型的火災上全國關注的,包含美孚倉儲啊、PC Home的林口倉庫跟家樂福,其實都是倉儲啊。那難道他不應該被特案的來做檢討嗎?部長知不知道這個倉儲的火災佔各種火災發生的比例大概有多少?\n這個我倒沒有特別去統計過有人相關的那個負責的單位要不要救援一下你們有研究這件事嗎沒有特別統計對這個都有地方的消防單位在做統計是啊按照這個110年的消防統計年報當然住宅的火災比例當然是最高的然後再營業場所這是因為數量母體數量的關係但是部長看一下作業場所也就一般大家認知的所謂的工廠在這個\n總計411場火災,倉庫371件。」那這個不管是六都或非六都你都看得出來其實啊這個火災裡面倉庫佔總體大概我們講排除住宅排除商業啊也就是大家講的這個製造業的這一塊裡面來講其實倉庫火災的數量大概就佔40%接近一半的比例啊那部長這難道我們不應該特別針對這個地方去做一個檢討嗎\n我覺得這個部分我們在跨部會的時候而且也確實像委員講桃園發生了幾件那我這個部分我再請我們的同仁跟消防署跟地方政府我們看對這個倉儲的這個部分因為它確實裡面會燜燒的問題那怎麼樣做更好的管理這個我來跟幾個單位來一起討論因為這個倉儲因為本身堆放大量的貨物它會活載量\n負責管理負責管理負責管理負責管理\n那我覺得倉儲的相關的管理規範也不能置外於這樣子的法案修正啦那按照過去的這政府裡面這個有提到倉儲兩個字比如說農藥運輸倉儲在法條裡面只是規範的是農藥不是倉儲相關的都是一些類似這樣子的一個概念所以這個自由貿易港區也是一樣肥料土地都是講倉儲是法條裡面的文字從來沒有針對整個倉儲業\n遇到的產業困境遇到的消防法規危險物申報等等沒有一個統一的規範這我覺得是不對的啦因為按照災損比例來講他其實幾乎是跟工廠是一樣的他的風險是比工廠還高的所以我希望經濟部在這邊趕快來做個研討啦針對這你們當然講他跨部會也需要中央地方來積極協力合作但是我覺得這個這個這個項目要獨立出來被討論有專門的法律來做規定針對環保針對這個消防\n恐怕才是對這個業界建立秩序比較積極的做法了。」\n第二十八條之十四、第三十一條條文修正草案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.342 --> 00:27.510\n發言。」好,謝謝主席。經濟部長有請。來,請王部長。好,委員好。是。不好意思,我們看一下投影片。\n\n00:33.561 --> 01:01.450\n好沒關係部長我們先開始討論這樣節省會議的時間這個今天要討論的是這個工輔法的一個修正對不對當然工輔法是時間很長然後大家也針對各個法條去提出讓這個法案越加完善比如說這一次有講違反危險物品的申報義務的處罰條款的增列工廠這個加保僱主意外責任險它其實是逐步讓工廠管理輔導法事件完善但是本期今天要提一個\n\n01:03.832 --> 01:18.447\n這個應該是經濟部我覺得應該早就要開始的一個案子就是有關於倉儲的管理啊這個部長我們的倉儲應該也算是經濟產業的一環對不對倉儲如果是物流業那物流業也是一環是\n\n01:20.659 --> 01:22.120\n二、審查：一、處理或審查113年度中央政府總預算有關\n\n01:35.050 --> 01:38.293\n跟委員報告事實上倉儲的問題我們有做過跨部會的討論那因為倉儲它所在地區有的在一般區域其實有一些在特定區那所以它其實規管的會有不同的單位這是第一個那第二個倉儲業者一定也要受到消防法的規範所以消防裡面其實就有規定說你在裡面有危險的物品有多少量以上也都要申報\n\n02:02.270 --> 02:19.165\n也都要管理,那這個就歸地方政府應該要去查查。」不是喔,這個喔,我們都希望就是說不管你是修公服法也好或是其他都是希望避免這個降低災損嘛,避免要造成經濟上的一些影響。不過部長如果你有留意啊,就是這個產業最害怕的其實就是火災嘛。\n\n02:19.565 --> 02:41.071\n除了停電之外,停電很多人問過你了,我今天就不問你了。我們今天拍到火災嘛,對不對?那火災的時候這幾次大型的火災上全國關注的,包含美孚倉儲啊、PCHome的林口倉庫跟家樂福,其實都是倉儲啊。那難道他不應該被特案的來做檢討嗎?部長知不知道這個倉儲的火災佔各種火災發生的比例大概有多少?\n\n02:42.629 --> 03:08.650\n這個我倒沒有特別去統計過有人相關的那個負責的單位要不要救援一下你們有研究這件事嗎沒有特別統計對這個都有地方的消防單位在做統計是啊按照這個110年的消防統計年報當然住宅的火災比例當然是最高的然後再營業場所這是因為數量母體數量的關係但是部長看一下作業場所也就一般大家認知的所謂的工廠在這個\n\n03:12.612 --> 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