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00:03:22,331\n我不曉得他是怎麼說的啦那我們是法律的執行者那會根據民意或是大院的要求我們會提出一些立法的草案來供大院來討論所以這是我們善盡我們本身的職責所以他說你們有提立法草案有提修法草案嗎有提廢除死刑的修法草案嗎\n\n10\n00:03:23,223 --> 00:03:52,312\n我們有要求外面的研究團體來幫我們做如果實行替代方案的研究有這樣的一個研究案但是沒有提出修法我們是有研究案因為總是有不同的聲音我想每個行政機關都會做研究計劃案那麼這個部分的話我必須先說我肯定部長您剛剛的回應確實法務部做一個行政機關它就是依法行政\n\n11\n00:03:53,072 --> 00:03:57,855\n目前的法律制度是怎麼樣的規定法務部就要依據法律來執行法律但是我認為大法官很有趣竟然他認為說法務部\n\n12\n00:04:09,923 --> 00:04:10,523\n法務部部長\n\n13\n00:04:24,814 --> 00:04:52,255\n權利在哪裡?在這裡我必須要講我也認為大法官們現在是不是他們的憲法認知錯亂他們已經完全不理解什麼叫權利分立原則但在這樣的情況之下他們又如何能夠做出正確的憲法解釋希望部長回去可以勉勵同仁要謹守依法行政還有依法要依法來適用法律依法獨立的審判\n\n14\n00:04:54,028 --> 00:05:09,461\n去進行相關的這個相關的這個行政這個行政作為那接下來我要請教這個秘書長我們看到其實思改博士會議的結論裡面那麼有特別提到要減輕法官的\n\n15\n00:05:14,540 --> 00:05:35,619\n要增加這個司法程序的效力以及要將司法官的人事制度要更加的多元化可是我們看到其實這個司法院他在這個去年司法院院長在去年所做的報告裡面他這個重點說你們的6年的司法改革歷程裡面\n\n16\n00:05:36,340 --> 00:05:48,011\n看不出來有什麼樣的一個方案是要減輕司法院的人力配置要減輕法官的工作量\n\n17\n00:05:49,415 --> 00:06:15,748\n我必須說我認為現在的司法院看起來你們的重點就是配合院長的上意這個他喜歡憲法訴訟法那麼你修了配合憲法訴訟法力推國民法官法也力推了國民法官法可是就像剛剛所說的其他前面幾位委員有指出這個配合著憲法訴訟法、國民法官法以及種種的這個相關訴訟法的修正其實也增加了法官很多的負擔所以很明顯的是緣額不足\n\n18\n00:06:19,690 --> 00:06:48,203\n那麼這個事情其實從過去到現在都非常清楚就知道法官的工作量很大我們的訴訟案件量也非常之多可是為什麼這個司法院遲遲都沒有改革的動作讓我不禁質疑司法院的司改到底是玩真的還是玩假的那麼我也看到就是在你們這次的業務報告裡面也有提到你未來要引進新的這個科技\n\n19\n00:06:49,632 --> 00:06:50,932\n一直都有,那為什麼一直都沒有做?\n\n20\n00:07:18,151 --> 00:07:19,012\n你們有沒有做得太慢了?\n\n21\n00:07:25,612 --> 00:07:49,272\n因為我真的發現司法院的效率是比其他的這個機關的效率要差得多而且可能你們的科技素養你們資訊素養程度也不夠所以都不知道說現在有很多很好的這個方便的這個3C的設備啊工具啊或是一些科技的工具是可以運用的可以大幅度的減輕法官、書記官以及其他的司法人員的這個勞力啊\n\n22\n00:07:52,849 --> 00:08:12,835\n這一部分我們的資訊處長也都除了法律專才之外也都有資訊的這種科班背景所以這一部分其實有我們扎實的一面我們也會一直努力的我真的非常期待司法院應該要\n\n23\n00:08:15,566 --> 00:08:37,285\n加緊的趕快追上現在科技的腳步在我們現在政府早就在講要數位化、科技化可是確實我們發現這個機關司法系統裡面的數位化的程度是遠不及其他的行政機關那這個部分的話是希望\n\n24\n00:08:40,379 --> 00:09:04,312\n秘書長這邊要多注意還有另外一個部分我想要講的就是剛剛其實人事總署在他們今天的報告裡面已經有講到其實在108年司法院跟還有法務部等等都有增加了一千人的員額可是事實上到現在都還有缺額請問為什麼沒有補時呢這一部分我們處長\n\n25\n00:09:09,356 --> 00:09:32,833\n方委員因為現在所剩的餘額是492人因為我們今年是14508距離總餘額上限還有492人那預計明年的114年要增列392人這是為了要因應那個北部邵家法院的成立還有這個少年調查保護官的合理人力增加所以到115年的時候我們預算餘額只會剩下只有100人\n\n26\n00:09:35,595 --> 00:09:58,178\n我要講就是說你們去看看日本日本的司法人力他們司法員額如果就人口數比的話其實他們服務的案件量可能還比我們的法官還要更多但是他們也沒有增加那麼多的員額這個問題可能就出在是司法院裡面的很多的人力的運用沒有效率\n\n27\n00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:06,846\n還有就是說隨著就是近年來的訴訟案件大幅的增加我們這個辦公室這邊也有做出一些分析當發現這個訴訟案件可能都集中在幾大五大類型吧包含像什麼離婚如果民事的話像是離婚、賠償等等這些你們有沒有試圖的想要透過修法\n\n28\n00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:49,674\n去解決那些訴訟案件量那麼當然在刑事訴訟方面我們也發現一個問題就是現在法官輕判法官輕判的問題以至於就是很多人可能他們根本也不在乎反正被抓到了被判刑又怎麼樣很快就是一顆法金所以我覺得這也是跟你們自己這個法院內部的審理案件相關的一些這個其實它是密切相關的不見得跟要增加\n\n29\n00:10:50,434 --> 00:11:18,233\n人力增加原額有關我必須說時代在進步我們的政府組織精簡這是向來我們要遵循的目標那從剛剛的這個報告裡面也可以知道在全部的行政機關人力大幅縮減情況之下唯有司法院的人力是每年在增加但是如果說以現在法官的這樣子的一個辦案的這個\n\n30\n00:11:19,821 --> 00:11:20,582\n還有另外就是我們也發現不僅是法官工作量大、壓力大\n\n31\n00:11:39,938 --> 00:11:52,290\n其實像書記官等等的壓力也很大我也聽了一些書記官的學生輩的朋友們有在講現在書記官也是高階低用啊明明他們是高考進來\n\n32\n00:11:54,505 --> 00:11:54,665\n司法院秘書長\n\n33\n00:12:11,425 --> 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年調查保護官的合理人力增加所以到115年的時候我們預算餘額只會剩下只有100人\n我要講就是說你們去看看日本日本的司法人力他們司法員額如果就人口數比的話其實他們服務的案件量可能還比我們的法官還要更多但是他們也沒有增加那麼多的員額這個問題可能就出在是司法院裡面的很多的人力的運用沒有效率\n還有就是說隨著就是近年來的訴訟案件大幅的增加我們這個辦公室這邊也有做出一些分析當發現這個訴訟案件可能都集中在幾大五大類型吧包含像什麼離婚如果民事的話像是離婚、賠償等等這些你們有沒有試圖的想要透過修法\n去解決那些訴訟案件量那麼當然在刑事訴訟方面我們也發現一個問題就是現在法官輕判法官輕判的問題以至於就是很多人可能他們根本也不在乎反正被抓到了被判刑又怎麼樣很快就是一顆法金所以我覺得這也是跟你們自己這個法院內部的審理案件相關的一些這個其實它是密切相關的不見得跟要增加\n人力增加原額有關我必須說時代在進步我們的政府組織精簡這是向來我們要遵循的目標那從剛剛的這個報告裡面也可以知道在全部的行政機關人力大幅縮減情況之下唯有司法院的人力是每年在增加但是如果說以現在法官的這樣子的一個辦案的這個\n還有另外就是我們也發現不僅是法官工作量大、壓力大\n其實像書記官等等的壓力也很大我也聽了一些書記官的學生輩的朋友們有在講現在書記官也是高階低用啊明明他們是高考進來\n司法院秘書長\n好,謝謝翁委員,謝謝秘書長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.608 --> 00:04.449\n我們先處理會議時間上午會議時間我們繼續進行至所有登記法院委員詢答結束為止接下來我們就請問委員謝謝好的謝謝主席有請秘書長還有次長請蔡部長\n\n00:30.392 --> 00:57.344\n首先我想要講的就是死刑事件的辯論庭我昨天晚上花了一些時間把整個辯論庭的內容都看完了我必須說我非常肯定法務部的表現雖然說知道在這樣子的一個事件場合裡面絕大多數都是支持要廢除死刑的\n\n00:59.775 --> 01:09.242\n的專家學者,可是法務部確實有捍衛目前的法律的制度,死刑的制度也提出了非常很好的一個\n\n01:10.934 --> 01:13.535\n司法院秘書長\n\n01:33.752 --> 01:57.355\n拜託你回去要提醒曲中立院長還有大法官們請他們要尊重自己的職務職權知道作為一個司法的釋憲機關的分際在哪裡不要越組代跑他們就是一個法的適用者而不是一個立法的制定者希望他們不要自以為他們是\n\n01:58.496 --> 02:15.579\n代表的進步的思想進步的這個立法者他們可以去取代立法權主導立法權這個其實是非常不對的在德國的非常多的法學者其實他們都有提出來要警示德國聯邦憲法法院要遵守他們的分際\n\n02:16.820 --> 02:38.467\n那麼大法官他的民意基礎再怎麼樣說他們有進階民意基礎這個法官還具有民意基礎可是他們的民意基礎絕對不及立法院的民意基礎所以請他們回去請您回去要轉告院長和大法官們請他們要節制他們自己的權利\n\n02:40.956 --> 02:58.799\n那麼在昨天的大法官事件裡面其實有提到一點這邊要請教部長在森林大法官他質疑法務部這些年怠惰不做廢死的修法請問法務部是否失職呢大法官點名你們了\n\n03:00.909 --> 03:22.331\n我不曉得他是怎麼說的啦那我們是法律的執行者那會根據民意或是大院的要求我們會提出一些立法的草案來供大院來討論所以這是我們善盡我們本身的職責所以他說你們有提立法草案有提修法草案嗎有提廢除死刑的修法草案嗎\n\n03:23.223 --> 03:52.312\n我們有要求外面的研究團體來幫我們做如果實行替代方案的研究有這樣的一個研究案但是沒有提出修法我們是有研究案因為總是有不同的聲音我想每個行政機關都會做研究計劃案那麼這個部分的話我必須先說我肯定部長您剛剛的回應確實法務部做一個行政機關它就是依法行政\n\n03:53.072 --> 03:57.855\n目前的法律制度是怎麼樣的規定法務部就要依據法律來執行法律但是我認為大法官很有趣竟然他認為說法務部\n\n04:09.923 --> 04:10.523\n法務部部長\n\n04:24.814 --> 04:52.255\n權利在哪裡?在這裡我必須要講我也認為大法官們現在是不是他們的憲法認知錯亂他們已經完全不理解什麼叫權利分立原則但在這樣的情況之下他們又如何能夠做出正確的憲法解釋希望部長回去可以勉勵同仁要謹守依法行政還有依法要依法來適用法律依法獨立的審判\n\n04:54.028 --> 05:09.461\n去進行相關的這個相關的這個行政這個行政作為那接下來我要請教這個秘書長我們看到其實思改博士會議的結論裡面那麼有特別提到要減輕法官的\n\n05:14.540 --> 05:35.619\n要增加這個司法程序的效力以及要將司法官的人事制度要更加的多元化可是我們看到其實這個司法院他在這個去年司法院院長在去年所做的報告裡面他這個重點說你們的6年的司法改革歷程裡面\n\n05:36.340 --> 05:48.011\n看不出來有什麼樣的一個方案是要減輕司法院的人力配置要減輕法官的工作量\n\n05:49.415 --> 06:15.748\n我必須說我認為現在的司法院看起來你們的重點就是配合院長的上意這個他喜歡憲法訴訟法那麼你修了配合憲法訴訟法力推國民法官法也力推了國民法官法可是就像剛剛所說的其他前面幾位委員有指出這個配合著憲法訴訟法、國民法官法以及種種的這個相關訴訟法的修正其實也增加了法官很多的負擔所以很明顯的是緣額不足\n\n06:19.690 --> 06:48.203\n那麼這個事情其實從過去到現在都非常清楚就知道法官的工作量很大我們的訴訟案件量也非常之多可是為什麼這個司法院遲遲都沒有改革的動作讓我不禁質疑司法院的司改到底是玩真的還是玩假的那麼我也看到就是在你們這次的業務報告裡面也有提到你未來要引進新的這個科技\n\n06:49.632 --> 06:50.932\n一直都有,那為什麼一直都沒有做?\n\n07:18.151 --> 07:19.012\n你們有沒有做得太慢了?\n\n07:25.612 --> 07:49.272\n因為我真的發現司法院的效率是比其他的這個機關的效率要差得多而且可能你們的科技素養你們資訊素養程度也不夠所以都不知道說現在有很多很好的這個方便的這個3C的設備啊工具啊或是一些科技的工具是可以運用的可以大幅度的減輕法官、書記官以及其他的司法人員的這個勞力啊\n\n07:52.849 --> 08:12.835\n這一部分我們的資訊處長也都除了法律專才之外也都有資訊的這種科班背景所以這一部分其實有我們扎實的一面我們也會一直努力的我真的非常期待司法院應該要\n\n08:15.566 --> 08:37.285\n加緊的趕快追上現在科技的腳步在我們現在政府早就在講要數位化、科技化可是確實我們發現這個機關司法系統裡面的數位化的程度是遠不及其他的行政機關那這個部分的話是希望\n\n08:40.379 --> 09:04.312\n秘書長這邊要多注意還有另外一個部分我想要講的就是剛剛其實人事總署在他們今天的報告裡面已經有講到其實在108年司法院跟還有法務部等等都有增加了一千人的員額可是事實上到現在都還有缺額請問為什麼沒有補時呢這一部分我們處長\n\n09:09.356 --> 09:32.833\n方委員因為現在所剩的餘額是492人因為我們今年是14508距離總餘額上限還有492人那預計明年的114年要增列392人這是為了要因應那個北部邵家法院的成立還有這個少年調查保護官的合理人力增加所以到115年的時候我們預算餘額只會剩下只有100人\n\n09:35.595 --> 09:58.178\n我要講就是說你們去看看日本日本的司法人力他們司法員額如果就人口數比的話其實他們服務的案件量可能還比我們的法官還要更多但是他們也沒有增加那麼多的員額這個問題可能就出在是司法院裡面的很多的人力的運用沒有效率\n\n09:59.440 --> 10:06.846\n還有就是說隨著就是近年來的訴訟案件大幅的增加我們這個辦公室這邊也有做出一些分析當發現這個訴訟案件可能都集中在幾大五大類型吧包含像什麼離婚如果民事的話像是離婚、賠償等等這些你們有沒有試圖的想要透過修法\n\n10:21.360 --> 10:49.674\n去解決那些訴訟案件量那麼當然在刑事訴訟方面我們也發現一個問題就是現在法官輕判法官輕判的問題以至於就是很多人可能他們根本也不在乎反正被抓到了被判刑又怎麼樣很快就是一顆法金所以我覺得這也是跟你們自己這個法院內部的審理案件相關的一些這個其實它是密切相關的不見得跟要增加\n\n10:50.434 --> 11:18.233\n人力增加原額有關我必須說時代在進步我們的政府組織精簡這是向來我們要遵循的目標那從剛剛的這個報告裡面也可以知道在全部的行政機關人力大幅縮減情況之下唯有司法院的人力是每年在增加但是如果說以現在法官的這樣子的一個辦案的這個\n\n11:19.821 --> 11:20.582\n還有另外就是我們也發現不僅是法官工作量大、壓力大\n\n11:39.938 --> 11:52.290\n其實像書記官等等的壓力也很大我也聽了一些書記官的學生輩的朋友們有在講現在書記官也是高階低用啊明明他們是高考進來\n\n11:54.505 --> 11:54.665\n司法院秘書長\n\n12:11.425 --> 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