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00:02:20,658\n法務部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會\n\n9\n00:02:34,315 --> 00:02:58,366\n屏蔽,法院也准了,單單換個名字,第二天就復活了。」那我想知道這665件有沒有復活的狀況?還有你剛剛講的48件還活在上面的,這邊700多件加上你新通報的件數有沒有在追蹤,它還有沒有跟那個案子一樣,壯義私房的案子一樣重新復活?\n\n10\n00:02:59,426 --> 00:03:16,015\n跟我們報告移除下架是不會有復活的那個是網站才會是移除下架就是說我們要他他在那邊不復活了嘛他不會再復活了好所以不會再有了如果像創意私房這樣他是整個被屏蔽掉的目前剛剛講你也有很多件嘛\n\n11\n00:03:16,795 --> 00:03:29,080\n那一些有沒有再復活?這我們會再追蹤,那個部分是有22件,他可不可能再復活?我們什麼時候追?我們就必須要再追蹤,因為我們這要主動去尋訪才看得出來\n\n12\n00:03:35,282 --> 00:03:56,736\n所以我沒有要求你全部尋我只要求你尋這些已經被你屏蔽掉但是他是不是換個名字再復活這22件給我們一個簡單的追蹤報告我們會盡量再追蹤這其實是為什麼政府已經在關心而且也通報到然後他竟然還可以繼續存在甚至也下不了架\n\n13\n00:03:57,436 --> 00:04:19,969\n這是讓國人沒有辦法接受而且要新聞鬧這麼大我們的訴發部突然間做得到讓我們嚇一跳所以顯然做得到以前沒想到現在要繼續往修法的方向走我們看到你的修法方向不錯但是這個裡面我想問一下部長我沒有考慮過像比照性侵害防治條例\n\n14\n00:04:21,551 --> 00:04:38,312\n將所謂的這些加害人尤其是兒少性影像數位性暴力的這些行為人我們考慮給他比照相關性侵害的應該說是被告好了加害人他做相關的處遇或者是強制治療嗎\n\n15\n00:04:39,855 --> 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