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00:00:39,434\n部長從長賜到部長期間其實過去這段時間我雖然有四年中間離開立法院但是其實跟您交手的機會跟您互動的機會其實非常多我們也希望上台下台其實我們高度跟身影其實都非常非常重要在這過程當中你經歷了COVID-19的疫情\n\n3\n00:00:40,534 --> 00:01:06,200\n其實也經歷了包括暴零案子等等暴零食堂的案子我覺得大家都經歷很多的挑戰但是經歷過挑戰之後我覺得大家都在看在很多制度面上我們有沒有調整得更好是重點部長那我也要跟您討論就是說有幾個案子其實上次我們有答詢過但是我覺得我還是要注意一下進度我們擔心說很多議題政策的推動會不會人去政席\n\n4\n00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:25,966\n包括第一個我們長期關注的包括衛福部公告的護理人員夜班的獎勵方案我想你非常清楚因為之前引起很大的風波因為醫學中心區醫院跟地區醫院那個實在是差太多每一班大夜班加1000塊地區醫院加800小地區\n\n5\n00:01:29,807 --> 00:01:44,617\n地區區議院加800,地區議院加600。」那後來有調整新的發言因此反彈之後因為物理人員流動會非常快心也非常的浮動那新發言已經出來了上個禮拜我在我財政委員會我特別問了主計長我說這個預算是1.13億\n\n6\n00:01:48,499 --> 00:02:02,635\n那上次我問衛福部的時候您回答我說這個還要再上簽但是後來我問主席長,主席長說錢都在那邊啊無論是義後的紓困預算或是你們自己的預算其實你自己動用就可以不需要再簽到他那邊了\n\n7\n00:02:03,716 --> 00:02:27,184\n這件事情因為我要代替所有因為地區醫院很多護理人員都在關注這件事情我也不希望我想你我都不希望護理人員有太大的流動對不對那所以這筆錢到底什麼時候會下來那跟我們報告目前我們本來是要希望就是說能夠用動用那個200億的那個公預算補助的\n\n8\n00:02:27,944 --> 00:02:46,077\n但是現在就是我們原先預估的27億27億的這個月班費第一階段那這部分的話算起來會有剩餘所以大概可以cover這1.3億所以什麼時候會應該最近那個健保署要簽上來給我了\n\n9\n00:02:47,888 --> 00:02:57,131\n這禮拜有機會嗎?一、兩個禮拜之內好不好?一個禮拜之內我們馬上簽出來謝謝部長第二個我關注的議題其實有關我今天其實有聽到其他委員在問這個議題就是有關於電價上漲對醫療院所的衝擊\n\n10\n00:03:13,297 --> 00:03:34,825\n特別對於小型的醫療診所偏鄉還有一般的醫療診所其實都有很大的衝擊那上次在跟在院會的時候答詢的時候你們有在研擬一些方案那現在行政程序上到底討論到哪個進度到底有沒有機會因為電價漲其實後續的成本整個都在漲還不只是\n\n11\n00:03:35,785 --> 00:03:59,272\n診所長而已所以不講因為這件事情在衛福部這邊是比較沒有著力的點因為我們沒有預算沒有補貼了這個電價的預算據我所知在行政院討論的時候他是打算用要補貼給台電的一千億裡面去處理因為包括一些\n\n12\n00:04:00,832 --> 00:04:16,285\n衛生福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、內政部警政署、法務部、\n\n13\n00:04:19,768 --> 00:04:35,420\n我希望我們再努力一下好不好下個星期我希望可以有一些具體的答案出來因為這都是代表你照顧基層醫療院所以聽到他們的聲音過去他們配合我們在疫苗政策上在家庭醫療制度上我覺得他們都協助很多\n\n14\n00:04:36,181 --> 00:05:00,121\n偏鄉也是所以我覺得這個沒有什麼圖利的問題我們也希望在現階段一下子上漲造成後續的衝擊其實都非常大所以這一塊我也希望部長可以協助那最後一個就是部長最近強病毒的狀況其實非常嚴重那也是歷年來十年來的新高門診跟急診的就醫人次在3月份最後一週增加到20%將近21%\n\n15\n00:05:02,643 --> 00:05:30,345\n病例增加的幅度其實是非常高的我們都知道說腸病毒其實很重要是多洗手除了用肥皂洗手在醫學上次氯酸水也具有很好的殺菌的效果很多醫生都說表示說適合用手部滅菌包括這個次氯酸水滅病毒等等在國際間其實也有很多人使用這樣的見解其實我們有沒有機會多宣導多鼓勵那有沒有\n\n16\n00:05:31,125 --> 00:05:50,198\n有機會在這個政策上有沒有機會多討論因為用肥皂水洗是不是可以滅菌有沒有機會我們再調整一下多宣導肥皂水是本身沒有滅菌的功能但是清洗的用肥皂水清洗之後是可以把這個\n\n17\n00:05:52,479 --> 00:06:13,324\n病毒把他衝掉了所以一般如果因為要用次氯酸水的話他的普及性可能沒有那麼高現在最多的這個流行會是在學校尤其是小孩子、幼兒園等等這些這些的話\n\n18\n00:06:15,060 --> 00:06:36,346\n是不是都能夠在洗手的地方都能夠配置這個,而且...沒關係,我覺得這個就是宣導,次氯酸水具有良好的殺毒毒殺的效果,其實有很多醫界醫生都表示適用於手部的滅菌啊滅病毒等等,因為不是每個地方其實都剛好有肥皂也可以洗手,所以\n\n19\n00:06:37,566 --> 00:06:41,490\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會\n\n20\n00:06:53,863 --> 00:07:16,474\n這是我的建議那最後一個要討論到今天的議題部長我上次跟您答詢就是說有關輔導教育的功能包括在性剝削上的您上次提到說有一些課程上的輔導其實我們都覺得效果其實不好要檢討輔導教育的功能那您上次回答我說你們會檢討那這個政策檢討因為看一看影片其實對於這些\n\n21\n00:07:18,955 --> 00:07:30,721\n加害者也好或者是這些犯罪的目的這些人其實我覺得效果並不好我們要怎麼調整是重點所以這一塊我們會不會有進度檢討的進度是什麼\n\n22\n00:07:32,801 --> 00:07:53,493\n這部分的話其實明天我們會開會就會討論這一塊目前的話可能是這樣子對於這些加害人可能要先做評估因為有一些其實真的是輔導教育這種強制治療大概都效果都不好但是有一些還是有他的效果\n\n23\n00:07:56,065 --> 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沒關係,我覺得這個就是宣導,次氯酸水具有良好的殺毒毒殺的效果,其實有很多醫界醫生都表示適用於手部的滅菌啊滅病毒等等,因為不是每個地方其實都剛好有肥皂也可以洗手,所以\n397566\t401490\t立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會\n413863\t436474\t這是我的建議那最後一個要討論到今天的議題部長我上次跟您答詢就是說有關輔導教育的功能包括在性剝削上的您上次提到說有一些課程上的輔導其實我們都覺得效果其實不好要檢討輔導教育的功能那您上次回答我說你們會檢討那這個政策檢討因為看一看影片其實對於這些\n438955\t450721\t加害者也好或者是這些犯罪的目的這些人其實我覺得效果並不好我們要怎麼調整是重點所以這一塊我們會不會有進度檢討的進度是什麼\n452801\t473493\t這部分的話其實明天我們會開會就會討論這一塊目前的話可能是這樣子對於這些加害人可能要先做評估因為有一些其實真的是輔導教育這種強制治療大概都效果都不好但是有一些還是有他的效果\n476065\t494043\t可以個別做心理的輔導。」這是我長期所關注的。我希望矯正的功能很重要,可以好好的落實。要看啦,要看它的實際上的差異性。對,我知道。所以部長我們還是要做,因為每一次藉由討論,我們的法令更完整、更周延,其實是最主要的目的。好,謝謝部長。好,謝謝李燕秀委員。接下來請洪孟楷委員\n","txt":"謝謝召委,我會請部長。請薛部長。\n部長從長賜到部長期間其實過去這段時間我雖然有四年中間離開立法院但是其實跟您交手的機會跟您互動的機會其實非常多我們也希望上台下台其實我們高度跟身影其實都非常非常重要在這過程當中你經歷了COVID-19的疫情\n其實也經歷了包括暴零案子等等暴零食堂的案子我覺得大家都經歷很多的挑戰但是經歷過挑戰之後我覺得大家都在看在很多制度面上我們有沒有調整得更好是重點部長那我也要跟您討論就是說有幾個案子其實上次我們有答詢過但是我覺得我還是要注意一下進度我們擔心說很多議題政策的推動會不會人去政席\n包括第一個我們長期關注的包括衛福部公告的護理人員夜班的獎勵方案我想你非常清楚因為之前引起很大的風波因為醫學中心區醫院跟地區醫院那個實在是差太多每一班大夜班加1000塊地區醫院加800小地區\n地區區議院加800,地區議院加600。」那後來有調整新的發言因此反彈之後因為物理人員流動會非常快心也非常的浮動那新發言已經出來了上個禮拜我在我財政委員會我特別問了主計長我說這個預算是1.13億\n那上次我問衛福部的時候您回答我說這個還要再上簽但是後來我問主席長,主席長說錢都在那邊啊無論是義後的紓困預算或是你們自己的預算其實你自己動用就可以不需要再簽到他那邊了\n這件事情因為我要代替所有因為地區醫院很多護理人員都在關注這件事情我也不希望我想你我都不希望護理人員有太大的流動對不對那所以這筆錢到底什麼時候會下來那跟我們報告目前我們本來是要希望就是說能夠用動用那個200億的那個公預算補助的\n但是現在就是我們原先預估的27億27億的這個月班費第一階段那這部分的話算起來會有剩餘所以大概可以cover這1.3億所以什麼時候會應該最近那個健保署要簽上來給我了\n這禮拜有機會嗎?一、兩個禮拜之內好不好?一個禮拜之內我們馬上簽出來謝謝部長第二個我關注的議題其實有關我今天其實有聽到其他委員在問這個議題就是有關於電價上漲對醫療院所的衝擊\n特別對於小型的醫療診所偏鄉還有一般的醫療診所其實都有很大的衝擊那上次在跟在院會的時候答詢的時候你們有在研擬一些方案那現在行政程序上到底討論到哪個進度到底有沒有機會因為電價漲其實後續的成本整個都在漲還不只是\n診所長而已所以不講因為這件事情在衛福部這邊是比較沒有著力的點因為我們沒有預算沒有補貼了這個電價的預算據我所知在行政院討論的時候他是打算用要補貼給台電的一千億裡面去處理因為包括一些\n衛生福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、內政部警政署、法務部、\n我希望我們再努力一下好不好下個星期我希望可以有一些具體的答案出來因為這都是代表你照顧基層醫療院所以聽到他們的聲音過去他們配合我們在疫苗政策上在家庭醫療制度上我覺得他們都協助很多\n偏鄉也是所以我覺得這個沒有什麼圖利的問題我們也希望在現階段一下子上漲造成後續的衝擊其實都非常大所以這一塊我也希望部長可以協助那最後一個就是部長最近強病毒的狀況其實非常嚴重那也是歷年來十年來的新高門診跟急診的就醫人次在3月份最後一週增加到20%將近21%\n病例增加的幅度其實是非常高的我們都知道說腸病毒其實很重要是多洗手除了用肥皂洗手在醫學上次氯酸水也具有很好的殺菌的效果很多醫生都說表示說適合用手部滅菌包括這個次氯酸水滅病毒等等在國際間其實也有很多人使用這樣的見解其實我們有沒有機會多宣導多鼓勵那有沒有\n有機會在這個政策上有沒有機會多討論因為用肥皂水洗是不是可以滅菌有沒有機會我們再調整一下多宣導肥皂水是本身沒有滅菌的功能但是清洗的用肥皂水清洗之後是可以把這個\n病毒把他衝掉了所以一般如果因為要用次氯酸水的話他的普及性可能沒有那麼高現在最多的這個流行會是在學校尤其是小孩子、幼兒園等等這些這些的話\n是不是都能夠在洗手的地方都能夠配置這個,而且... 沒關係,我覺得這個就是宣導,次氯酸水具有良好的殺毒毒殺的效果,其實有很多醫界醫生都表示適用於手部的滅菌啊滅病毒等等,因為不是每個地方其實都剛好有肥皂也可以洗手,所以\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會\n這是我的建議那最後一個要討論到今天的議題部長我上次跟您答詢就是說有關輔導教育的功能包括在性剝削上的您上次提到說有一些課程上的輔導其實我們都覺得效果其實不好要檢討輔導教育的功能那您上次回答我說你們會檢討那這個政策檢討因為看一看影片其實對於這些\n加害者也好或者是這些犯罪的目的這些人其實我覺得效果並不好我們要怎麼調整是重點所以這一塊我們會不會有進度檢討的進度是什麼\n這部分的話其實明天我們會開會就會討論這一塊目前的話可能是這樣子對於這些加害人可能要先做評估因為有一些其實真的是輔導教育這種強制治療大概都效果都不好但是有一些還是有他的效果\n可以個別做心理的輔導。」這是我長期所關注的。我希望矯正的功能很重要,可以好好的落實。要看啦,要看它的實際上的差異性。對,我知道。所以部長我們還是要做,因為每一次藉由討論,我們的法令更完整、更周延,其實是最主要的目的。好,謝謝部長。好,謝謝李燕秀委員。接下來請洪孟楷委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.288 --> 00:07.309\n謝謝召委,我會請部長。請薛部長。\n\n00:15.017 --> 00:39.434\n部長從長賜到部長期間其實過去這段時間我雖然有四年中間離開立法院但是其實跟您交手的機會跟您互動的機會其實非常多我們也希望上台下台其實我們高度跟身影其實都非常非常重要在這過程當中你經歷了COVID-19的疫情\n\n00:40.534 --> 01:06.200\n其實也經歷了包括暴零案子等等暴零食堂的案子我覺得大家都經歷很多的挑戰但是經歷過挑戰之後我覺得大家都在看在很多制度面上我們有沒有調整得更好是重點部長那我也要跟您討論就是說有幾個案子其實上次我們有答詢過但是我覺得我還是要注意一下進度我們擔心說很多議題政策的推動會不會人去政席\n\n01:07.360 --> 01:25.966\n包括第一個我們長期關注的包括衛福部公告的護理人員夜班的獎勵方案我想你非常清楚因為之前引起很大的風波因為醫學中心區醫院跟地區醫院那個實在是差太多每一班大夜班加1000塊地區醫院加800小地區\n\n01:29.807 --> 01:44.617\n地區區議院加800,地區議院加600。」那後來有調整新的發言因此反彈之後因為物理人員流動會非常快心也非常的浮動那新發言已經出來了上個禮拜我在我財政委員會我特別問了主計長我說這個預算是1.13億\n\n01:48.499 --> 02:02.635\n那上次我問衛福部的時候您回答我說這個還要再上簽但是後來我問主席長,主席長說錢都在那邊啊無論是義後的紓困預算或是你們自己的預算其實你自己動用就可以不需要再簽到他那邊了\n\n02:03.716 --> 02:27.184\n這件事情因為我要代替所有因為地區醫院很多護理人員都在關注這件事情我也不希望我想你我都不希望護理人員有太大的流動對不對那所以這筆錢到底什麼時候會下來那跟我們報告目前我們本來是要希望就是說能夠用動用那個200億的那個公預算補助的\n\n02:27.944 --> 02:46.077\n但是現在就是我們原先預估的27億27億的這個月班費第一階段那這部分的話算起來會有剩餘所以大概可以cover這1.3億所以什麼時候會應該最近那個健保署要簽上來給我了\n\n02:47.888 --> 02:57.131\n這禮拜有機會嗎?一、兩個禮拜之內好不好?一個禮拜之內我們馬上簽出來謝謝部長第二個我關注的議題其實有關我今天其實有聽到其他委員在問這個議題就是有關於電價上漲對醫療院所的衝擊\n\n03:13.297 --> 03:34.825\n特別對於小型的醫療診所偏鄉還有一般的醫療診所其實都有很大的衝擊那上次在跟在院會的時候答詢的時候你們有在研擬一些方案那現在行政程序上到底討論到哪個進度到底有沒有機會因為電價漲其實後續的成本整個都在漲還不只是\n\n03:35.785 --> 03:59.272\n診所長而已所以不講因為這件事情在衛福部這邊是比較沒有著力的點因為我們沒有預算沒有補貼了這個電價的預算據我所知在行政院討論的時候他是打算用要補貼給台電的一千億裡面去處理因為包括一些\n\n04:00.832 --> 04:16.285\n衛生福利部部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、內政部警政署、法務部、\n\n04:19.768 --> 04:35.420\n我希望我們再努力一下好不好下個星期我希望可以有一些具體的答案出來因為這都是代表你照顧基層醫療院所以聽到他們的聲音過去他們配合我們在疫苗政策上在家庭醫療制度上我覺得他們都協助很多\n\n04:36.181 --> 05:00.121\n偏鄉也是所以我覺得這個沒有什麼圖利的問題我們也希望在現階段一下子上漲造成後續的衝擊其實都非常大所以這一塊我也希望部長可以協助那最後一個就是部長最近強病毒的狀況其實非常嚴重那也是歷年來十年來的新高門診跟急診的就醫人次在3月份最後一週增加到20%將近21%\n\n05:02.643 --> 05:30.345\n病例增加的幅度其實是非常高的我們都知道說腸病毒其實很重要是多洗手除了用肥皂洗手在醫學上次氯酸水也具有很好的殺菌的效果很多醫生都說表示說適合用手部滅菌包括這個次氯酸水滅病毒等等在國際間其實也有很多人使用這樣的見解其實我們有沒有機會多宣導多鼓勵那有沒有\n\n05:31.125 --> 05:50.198\n有機會在這個政策上有沒有機會多討論因為用肥皂水洗是不是可以滅菌有沒有機會我們再調整一下多宣導肥皂水是本身沒有滅菌的功能但是清洗的用肥皂水清洗之後是可以把這個\n\n05:52.479 --> 06:13.324\n病毒把他衝掉了所以一般如果因為要用次氯酸水的話他的普及性可能沒有那麼高現在最多的這個流行會是在學校尤其是小孩子、幼兒園等等這些這些的話\n\n06:15.060 --> 06:36.346\n是不是都能夠在洗手的地方都能夠配置這個,而且...沒關係,我覺得這個就是宣導,次氯酸水具有良好的殺毒毒殺的效果,其實有很多醫界醫生都表示適用於手部的滅菌啊滅病毒等等,因為不是每個地方其實都剛好有肥皂也可以洗手,所以\n\n06:37.566 --> 06:41.490\n立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利部長、國家通訊傳播委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會、數位發展部、內政部警政署、法務部、文化部、金融監督管理委員會\n\n06:53.863 --> 07:16.474\n這是我的建議那最後一個要討論到今天的議題部長我上次跟您答詢就是說有關輔導教育的功能包括在性剝削上的您上次提到說有一些課程上的輔導其實我們都覺得效果其實不好要檢討輔導教育的功能那您上次回答我說你們會檢討那這個政策檢討因為看一看影片其實對於這些\n\n07:18.955 --> 07:30.721\n加害者也好或者是這些犯罪的目的這些人其實我覺得效果並不好我們要怎麼調整是重點所以這一塊我們會不會有進度檢討的進度是什麼\n\n07:32.801 --> 07:53.493\n這部分的話其實明天我們會開會就會討論這一塊目前的話可能是這樣子對於這些加害人可能要先做評估因為有一些其實真的是輔導教育這種強制治療大概都效果都不好但是有一些還是有他的效果\n\n07:56.065 --> 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