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00:00:34,843\n委員好部長好今天我們大家在這裡討論都是怎麼樣讓我們的孩子國家的主人翁能夠有一個更好的環境台灣少子化已經是一個很大的都已經是國安問題了\n\n3\n00:00:36,284 --> 00:00:53,863\n但是我們的孩子生出來之後,我們卻沒有辦法讓他們在一個安全的、快樂的、無憂無慮的環境成長。這個其實是我們所有大人,我們應該要為孩子創造的。當然特別您是衛福部部長\n\n4\n00:00:54,784 --> 00:01:16,711\n那我們今天針對因為這個創意私房這樣的一個論壇網站的事件引發了讓我們大家覺得對於兒少性影像防治的一些具體作為甚至我們應該檢討我們目前的做法乃至於我們兒童及少年性剝削防治條例的修正方向\n\n5\n00:01:17,691 --> 00:01:42,420\n那本席也看了你們的今天的報告那報告裡面寫了很多等於說貴部辦理了哪些事項但是本席更想提的是我們怎麼樣可以全面的來禁止在整個社會上我相信只要是兒少的性影像我們都是禁止觀看的嘛\n\n6\n00:01:43,328 --> 00:02:10,306\n所以怎麼樣讓這樣的一個情況是他可以全面禁止我想說的是全面禁止兒少的性影像能夠會出現在我們的社會中甚至我們怎麼樣玩全面的禁止跟防治那你們所做的已經做了但是要達到這個目標你們還缺什麼你們的法律層面還缺什麼你們的執行層面還缺什麼部長您的看法\n\n7\n00:02:12,347 --> 00:02:22,105\n這部分在法律層面當然還有一些可以改善的空間所以我們這一次就是會修法有沒有考慮提專法?\n\n8\n00:02:25,524 --> 00:02:48,665\n全面的其實這就是一個專法而少性剝削條例就是一個專法其實現在怎麼樣去遏止這種性影像的這種犯罪或剝削的一個行為很重要就是因為這個性影像犯罪的傳播都是\n\n9\n00:02:50,370 --> 00:03:07,091\n依賴網路。」對所以我說的專法的意思是包含這個現在科技有一點也包含因為現在最大的問題確實就在科技層面現在網路層面嘛那你這個是法律層面嘛對\n\n10\n00:03:07,992 --> 00:03:31,811\n當然要去另外訂一個有關於網路犯罪的我們全面的來保護我們的這個兒童的這個法律的話我個人是也樂觀其成就是說有一個專法那專門在處理有關於網路犯罪的這警訊那是不是就由那個專法裡面有一些資源可以來投入\n\n11\n00:03:34,574 --> 00:03:48,847\n我拿一個具體的來說在你們的第二項這個有關性影像處理中心和提供諮詢服務你們提到應該要下架的成功移除86%那表示還有14%\n\n12\n00:03:50,734 --> 00:04:18,748\n沒有移除的那什麼原因?這部分的話是因為我們在原來的法規架構之下的話下架的話是有地方在做啦所以對所以這整個各種這就是執行層面嘛所以剛剛我說法律層面跟執行層面我們要達到這種我們希望給孩子的一個最安全而且最好的一個環境那法律層面跟\n\n13\n00:04:19,728 --> 00:04:42,840\n執行層面還需要積極作為的。」而不是說你做了什麼當然我們也覺得你們很辛苦做了很多但是我們是不是可以更有效的我們不希望一而再再而三的這樣看到然後再來再來你們第四點提供被害人保護輔助的這邊112年就去年提供心理諮商輔導的有1005人次\n\n14\n00:04:45,501 --> 00:05:11,292\n那這個是針對兒少性影像嗎?還是是整個包含成人?是只有兒少的部分?對,那這一千零五人,這一般都還會有黑數啊?保護的,沒有,就是說我們提供出去的服務的,這不會是有黑數啊?不是啊,我是說提供已經有這麼多來諮商,那一定也有\n\n15\n00:05:11,972 --> 00:05:40,966\n沒有來的對沒有來的有多少其實像這些我們專責的單位是不是可以等於加強的我們是要主動積極的為我們的孩子創造這樣的環境還有很多該預防該幫他防範的想想看這麼多小孩這麼可憐他的心其實你知道我們啊肉體的創傷容易撫平心理的創傷是最難的\n\n16\n00:05:42,065 --> 00:05:56,862\n所以甚至我們有些孩子他從小創傷他長大以後也會是可能沒有好好的輔導也會是社會的問題當然我們更重要的是我們就不希望我們的這個國家未來的主人翁受到這些傷害\n\n17\n00:05:58,183 --> 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