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讓全國所有的孩童能夠看到，並且真的是有推廣。"],["王次長時思：這也是我們努力的目標，謝謝委員。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，一個月開會之後，再把結論告訴本席以及教育及文化委員會的委員可以嗎？"],["王次長時思：可以。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝洪孟楷委員。","接下來請柯志恩召委。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":374,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-9","speakers":["林宜瑾","洪孟楷","柯志恩","萬美玲","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","陳秀寳","吳沛憶","張雅琳","吳春城","葉元之","陳培瑜","何欣純","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:45,993\n是指今年,因為節目的產製大概需要一定的時間,但沒辦法說現在開始就現在完成,所以在今年提升的時數是預計113年的提升時數。那我們預計這等於是一年新制那麼多的時數,我們預計我們未來的目標是什麼?\n\n6\n00:01:50,748 --> 00:01:52,450\n如果說整體的心智時數來說以113年我們預估的是639小時\n\n7\n00:02:09,632 --> 00:02:34,619\n對,他比一二年的整體的心智不大那個計算基礎有一點不同就是說326到362的部分是指純心智那不包括這些本來的就純自治啦那其實現在公視的策略是其他除了自治之外他也同時跟其他的產業來做合作所以整體來說他的提升的時數是將近兩倍那362\n\n8\n00:02:35,999 --> 00:02:41,640\n所以說這一點就是本席納悶的地方就你連今天給我們報告照理講各部會都是報喜不報憂啊有盡量漂亮數字盡量多報結果你們是報憂不報喜啊\n\n9\n00:02:57,969 --> 00:03:26,260\n明明有600多個時數只有你們只有報300多個時數還有我剛剛在算我想說一整年才300多個時數換算成這整年的這個平均來講我們這新制節目那是剩下的節目都是重播嗎還是怎麼樣沒有沒有沒有重播就是說好所以是不是會後請整理一個最正確完整的數字告訴本席說到底我們的兒少頻道在今年11、13年會有多少的這個新制節目好不好\n\n10\n00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:53,673\n再來我想新制節目是一個部分但是更重要的是譬如說我自己是兩個孩子的父親我一個三歲半一個五歲我們自己念一句不及那個卡通明星我們念一百句不及卡通明星講一句說這個飯後要刷牙睡前要刷牙講半天我們要追著他跑然後說我來幫你刷牙他打死不要但是只要那個巧虎一跟他講是說要刷牙喔\n\n11\n00:03:54,133 --> 00:04:13,705\n他馬上他拿著牙刷說爸爸今天晚上要刷牙不然不能睡覺那一樣的道理明星很重要本席也常常陪我女兒看玻璃我甚至我都會唱玻璃的歌玻璃玻璃玻璃不怕任何危險玻璃玻璃玻璃以期勇敢冒險好還會跳對不對\n\n12\n00:04:17,506 --> 00:04:43,355\n那麼輕鬆只是說來鋪陳啦重點是我們的明星在哪裡我們現在兒少頻道能不能舉一下因為本席剛剛特別也在YouTube上找不到第一是不是我們的公視是有什麼樣的限制我們不讓我們因為很多的家長一定跟本席一樣如果說真的小朋友要看這個節目的時候我們就是打開YouTube找巧虎玻璃\n\n13\n00:04:44,138 --> 00:04:46,339\n對於台灣的自製IP的提升這的確是在接下來的內容的一個重要的\n\n14\n00:05:11,785 --> 00:05:13,306\n水果奶奶是1998年到現在\n\n15\n00:05:26,758 --> 00:05:52,925\n當然我不否認我們台灣IP打造不容易我承認沒有說什麼你以為砸錢就沒有這種事對委員很了解但是能夠怎麼樣利用以他人的這個他山知識可以工作就是說別的國家有創造一些真的不錯的IP我們能不能有複製其實這也談很多啦台劇也是這樣嘛看到別人劇怎麼樣那我們也希望是說能夠複製對在產製的模式上但IP很小心狀\n\n16\n00:05:56,426 --> 00:06:16,941\n本席想問到目前為止或說就次長你心目中的想法或說我們公視這個兒少頻道的想法我們有沒有一個主力未來可以代表我們兒少頻道我想我可以直接請公視就兒少頻道的IP的規劃這一部分來做比較清楚的說明來簡單說明好不好你們現在有沒有比如說一個頻道誰可以代表我們之後想到\n\n17\n00:06:18,532 --> 00:06:38,011\n其實《學過奶奶》當然是最招牌的但是因為它本來是真人來辦我們現在其實在前年開始我們已經把它做動畫化所以已經有個妖果小學的IP現在我們持續在推廣但是妖果小學它其實非常受小朋友歡迎其實我們辦很多巡迴小朋友已經都會唱跳那個妖果的主題曲了\n\n18\n00:06:38,551 --> 00:06:38,991\n我們預計資源打造妖果小學\n\n19\n00:07:07,304 --> 00:07:28,881\n腰是妖怪的腰嗎?對不對?預計我們要花多少的一個經費來做這樣的一個部分?其實妖果這一季第二季是4000萬的預算是在做第二次的動畫因為我們第一季是做了6集15分鐘而已所以我們第二季會再增加它的量增加多少?\n\n20\n00:07:32,027 --> 00:07:47,217\n因為本期現在馬上就查妖國小學在我們YouTube上面第一季就是13集那每一集7分鐘是不是對我隨便點一則啊觀看次數1162次1162次\n\n21\n00:07:57,189 --> 00:08:23,166\n說實在話這不是一個我們期待或是說理想或說真的知名度高的IP這很事實我們今天就是認識您剛提妖國小學我馬上查youtube上公視兒少這個頻道是3萬8千人的這個點閱戶而妖國小學影集第一季第10集1162次的觀賞\n\n22\n00:08:26,087 --> 00:08:40,579\n第12集一千兩百二十二次的觀賞所以說實在話還這量呢還不夠喔量呢還不夠這確實來次長針對這個部分我們有沒有一個不要說KPI啦但至少\n\n23\n00:08:41,482 --> 00:09:08,507\n我們自己自製的節目我們也希望有教育意義我們也希望能夠打造一個好的IP那這樣子一個自製節目我們有沒有期待在今年剛剛有講了4千萬4千萬其實對大家來講不一定多但是有沒有一個KPI會認為是說至少我們在今年可以有多少的觀眾數或是說多少人來了解甚至說能夠推廣到多少甚至有沒有可能結合教育部有沒有可能結合衛福部\n\n24\n00:09:09,448 --> 00:09:25,095\n我想整體來說臺灣在兒少節目的IP的不足跟它的收視的情況沒有不夠理想這個是一個現實的狀態所以也非常感謝在去年才會以這個新的資源挹注整個投入兒少平台\n\n25\n00:09:25,535 --> 00:09:53,685\n那我想兒少平台目前是一個起點所以在接下來不管是跟教育部跟衛福部的合作或者是說如何擴大因為現在除了這個專屬頻道其實公視也打開了多媒體的服務多平台的服務它也不再專屬於單一頻道那邀國小學堂只是剛剛公視提到一個目前已經在公視有一定成果的IP但是呢包括在民間既有的IP的開發那以像其他的戲劇類節目來說公視這幾年其實也拿出了很好的成績包括現在正在上映的我們\n\n26\n00:09:54,505 --> 00:09:59,424\n包括這個鹽水飯店還有我們不夠善良這一類所以我想在\n\n27\n00:10:00,795 --> 00:10:21,696\n對於兒童戲劇及動畫節目上應該還是可以期待在接下來我們可以看到比較好的發展尤其在今年我們如果整個總時數提升是兩倍有了兒少頻道之後至少我們可以保證整個兒少的節目的時數有一定的量那小朋友想看的時候有台灣自己的兒童的戲劇或動畫或者是各種的節目可以看他就會大量改善我們整體在兒少節目在總的這個兒少節目呈現的價值\n\n28\n00:10:25,299 --> 00:10:49,607\n市長我沒有打斷你的話但是第一我們今天談論兒少節目你又去扯說我們不夠善良又扯到這個戲劇這個是有點奇怪那第二本席就是知道說現在不足不足是事實我們今天討論的是怎麼樣提升如同你今天的簡報是說專案報告怎麼樣能夠轉型兒少頻道之後能夠讓我們這個量能出來嘛這也是去年我們所以本席認為是說這樣子\n\n29\n00:10:51,881 --> 00:11:17,775\n兩個部分我比較具體的建議是不是能夠針對兒少頻道它其實受眾有那受眾主要是教育部主要是衛福部2到6歲可能衛福部6到這個12歲15歲這可能是教育部的部分都是我們兒少頻道一個受眾是不是能夠針對這個部分找教育部找衛福部這邊來開會來討論怎麼樣能夠推廣那另外第二個部分是針對我們的這個KPI\n\n30\n00:11:20,185 --> 00:11:29,186\n就是說兒少頻道總是你做出好的節目我也期待我們做出優良的節目但是做出優良的節目以外要有人看這個是重點嘛\n\n31\n00:11:30,431 --> 00:11:50,243\n這兩部分怎麼樣?有沒有具體的計畫?因為這樣子我就會比你今天我今天不否認今天的專案報告我身為一個家長我期待我們台灣有好的自製節目但是我要的是除了好的自製節目以外更多人看甚至我們的兒童以後成長的過程有\n\n32\n00:12:19,056 --> 00:12:43,457\n文化部來邀請教育部跟衛福部這邊來討論一下怎麼樣能夠來推廣可以這沒問題一個月一個月內可以是不是我覺得這比較具體我不知道因為受眾在他們那邊其實我們很清楚我們的兒少頻道受眾是哪裡那當然就是借助他跨部會的力量那第二個部分就是針對這個KPI的部分到年底\n\n33\n00:12:44,554 --> 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是不是我覺得這比較具體我不知道因為受眾在他們那邊其實我們很清楚我們的兒少頻道受眾是哪裡那當然就是借助他跨部會的力量那第二個部分就是針對這個KPI的部分到年底\n764554\t764834\t謝謝,可以,可以\n","txt":"主席謝謝,麻煩請王次長好,有請王次長委員長好\n市長早市長今天我們就這個兒少頻道的一個部分來做討論其實我想從去年大家共同完成公共電視法修法解除9億的一個限制那可以有更多的一個量能所以說我今天看到說你們的計畫是2023年要挹注至少這個兒少6億元的一個經費開始來做那但是本席也說其實對比其他包括英國、加拿大、美國、德國、法國等\n主席\n我先請教一下在節目製作的部分我有看到這個時間新制的時間從原本326個小時提升到362個小時這只是一年是不是\n是指今年,因為節目的產製大概需要一定的時間,但沒辦法說現在開始就現在完成,所以在今年提升的時數是預計113年的提升時數。那我們預計這等於是一年新制那麼多的時數,我們預計我們未來的目標是什麼?\n如果說整體的心智時數來說以113年我們預估的是639小時\n對,他比一二年的整體的心智不大那個計算基礎有一點不同就是說326到362的部分是指純心智那不包括這些本來的就純自治啦那其實現在公視的策略是其他除了自治之外他也同時跟其他的產業來做合作所以整體來說他的提升的時數是將近兩倍那362\n所以說這一點就是本席納悶的地方就你連今天給我們報告照理講各部會都是報喜不報憂啊有盡量漂亮數字盡量多報結果你們是報憂不報喜啊\n明明有600多個時數只有你們只有報300多個時數還有我剛剛在算我想說一整年才300多個時數換算成這整年的這個平均來講我們這新制節目那是剩下的節目都是重播嗎還是怎麼樣沒有沒有沒有重播就是說好所以是不是會後請整理一個最正確完整的數字告訴本席說到底我們的兒少頻道在今年11、13年會有多少的這個新制節目好不好\n再來我想新制節目是一個部分但是更重要的是譬如說我自己是兩個孩子的父親我一個三歲半一個五歲我們自己念一句不及那個卡通明星我們念一百句不及卡通明星講一句說這個飯後要刷牙睡前要刷牙講半天我們要追著他跑然後說我來幫你刷牙他打死不要但是只要那個巧虎一跟他講是說要刷牙喔\n他馬上他拿著牙刷說爸爸今天晚上要刷牙不然不能睡覺那一樣的道理明星很重要本席也常常陪我女兒看玻璃我甚至我都會唱玻璃的歌玻璃玻璃玻璃不怕任何危險玻璃玻璃玻璃以期勇敢冒險好 還會跳對不對\n那麼輕鬆只是說來鋪陳啦重點是我們的明星在哪裡我們現在兒少頻道能不能舉一下因為本席剛剛特別也在YouTube上找不到第一是不是我們的公視是有什麼樣的限制我們不讓我們因為很多的家長一定跟本席一樣如果說真的小朋友要看這個節目的時候我們就是打開YouTube找巧虎玻璃\n對於台灣的自製IP的提升這的確是在接下來的內容的一個重要的\n水果奶奶是1998年到現在\n當然我不否認我們台灣IP打造不容易我承認沒有說什麼你以為砸錢就沒有這種事對委員很了解但是能夠怎麼樣利用以他人的這個他山知識可以工作就是說別的國家有創造一些真的不錯的IP我們能不能有複製其實這也談很多啦台劇也是這樣嘛看到別人劇怎麼樣那我們也希望是說能夠複製對在產製的模式上但IP很小心狀\n本席想問到目前為止或說就次長你心目中的想法或說我們公視這個兒少頻道的想法我們有沒有一個主力未來可以代表我們兒少頻道我想我可以直接請公視就兒少頻道的IP的規劃這一部分來做比較清楚的說明來簡單說明好不好你們現在有沒有比如說一個頻道誰可以代表我們之後想到\n其實《學過奶奶》當然是最招牌的但是因為它本來是真人來辦我們現在其實在前年開始我們已經把它做動畫化所以已經有個妖果小學的IP現在我們持續在推廣但是妖果小學它其實非常受小朋友歡迎其實我們辦很多巡迴小朋友已經都會唱跳那個妖果的主題曲了\n我們預計資源打造妖果小學\n腰是妖怪的腰嗎?對不對?預計我們要花多少的一個經費來做這樣的一個部分?其實妖果這一季第二季是4000萬的預算是在做第二次的動畫因為我們第一季是做了6集15分鐘而已所以我們第二季會再增加它的量增加多少?\n因為本期現在馬上就查妖國小學在我們YouTube上面第一季就是13集那每一集7分鐘是不是對我隨便點一則啊觀看次數1162次1162次\n說實在話這不是一個我們期待或是說理想或說真的知名度高的IP這很事實我們今天就是認識您剛提妖國小學我馬上查youtube上公視兒少這個頻道是3萬8千人的這個點閱戶而妖國小學影集第一季第10集1162次的觀賞\n第12集一千兩百二十二次的觀賞所以說實在話還這量呢還不夠喔量呢還不夠這確實來次長針對這個部分我們有沒有一個不要說KPI啦但至少\n我們自己自製的節目我們也希望有教育意義我們也希望能夠打造一個好的IP那這樣子一個自製節目我們有沒有期待在今年剛剛有講了4千萬4千萬其實對大家來講不一定多但是有沒有一個KPI會認為是說至少我們在今年可以有多少的觀眾數或是說多少人來了解甚至說能夠推廣到多少甚至有沒有可能結合教育部有沒有可能結合衛福部\n我想整體來說臺灣在兒少節目的IP的不足跟它的收視的情況沒有不夠理想這個是一個現實的狀態所以也非常感謝在去年才會以這個新的資源挹注整個投入兒少平台\n那我想兒少平台目前是一個起點所以在接下來不管是跟教育部跟衛福部的合作或者是說如何擴大因為現在除了這個專屬頻道其實公視也打開了多媒體的服務多平台的服務它也不再專屬於單一頻道那邀國小學堂只是剛剛公視提到一個目前已經在公視有一定成果的IP但是呢包括在民間既有的IP的開發那以像其他的戲劇類節目來說公視這幾年其實也拿出了很好的成績包括現在正在上映的我們\n包括這個鹽水飯店還有我們不夠善良這一類所以我想在\n對於兒童戲劇及動畫節目上應該還是可以期待在接下來我們可以看到比較好的發展尤其在今年我們如果整個總時數提升是兩倍有了兒少頻道之後至少我們可以保證整個兒少的節目的時數有一定的量那小朋友想看的時候有台灣自己的兒童的戲劇或動畫或者是各種的節目可以看他就會大量改善我們整體在兒少節目在總的這個兒少節目呈現的價值\n市長我沒有打斷你的話但是第一我們今天談論兒少節目你又去扯說我們不夠善良又扯到這個戲劇這個是有點奇怪那第二本席就是知道說現在不足不足是事實我們今天討論的是怎麼樣提升如同你今天的簡報是說專案報告怎麼樣能夠轉型兒少頻道之後能夠讓我們這個量能出來嘛這也是去年我們所以本席認為是說這樣子\n兩個部分我比較具體的建議是不是能夠針對兒少頻道它其實受眾有那受眾主要是教育部主要是衛福部2到6歲可能衛福部6到這個12歲15歲這可能是教育部的部分都是我們兒少頻道一個受眾是不是能夠針對這個部分找教育部找衛福部這邊來開會來討論怎麼樣能夠推廣那另外第二個部分是針對我們的這個KPI\n就是說兒少頻道總是你做出好的節目我也期待我們做出優良的節目但是做出優良的節目以外要有人看這個是重點嘛\n這兩部分怎麼樣?有沒有具體的計畫?因為這樣子我就會比你今天我今天不否認今天的專案報告我身為一個家長我期待我們台灣有好的自製節目但是我要的是除了好的自製節目以外更多人看甚至我們的兒童以後成長的過程有\n⋯⋯⋯\n文化部來邀請教育部跟衛福部這邊來討論一下怎麼樣能夠來推廣可以 這沒問題一個月一個月內可以 是不是我覺得這比較具體我不知道因為受眾在他們那邊其實我們很清楚我們的兒少頻道受眾是哪裡那當然就是借助他跨部會的力量那第二個部分就是針對這個KPI的部分到年底\n謝謝,可以,可以\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:13.732\n主席謝謝,麻煩請王次長好,有請王次長委員長好\n\n00:25.342 --> 00:55.082\n市長早市長今天我們就這個兒少頻道的一個部分來做討論其實我想從去年大家共同完成公共電視法修法解除9億的一個限制那可以有更多的一個量能所以說我今天看到說你們的計畫是2023年要挹注至少這個兒少6億元的一個經費開始來做那但是本席也說其實對比其他包括英國、加拿大、美國、德國、法國等\n\n00:55.743 --> 00:56.123\n主席\n\n01:17.211 --> 01:29.105\n我先請教一下在節目製作的部分我有看到這個時間新制的時間從原本326個小時提升到362個小時這只是一年是不是\n\n01:29.565 --> 01:45.993\n是指今年,因為節目的產製大概需要一定的時間,但沒辦法說現在開始就現在完成,所以在今年提升的時數是預計113年的提升時數。那我們預計這等於是一年新制那麼多的時數,我們預計我們未來的目標是什麼?\n\n01:50.748 --> 01:52.450\n如果說整體的心智時數來說以113年我們預估的是639小時\n\n02:09.632 --> 02:34.619\n對,他比一二年的整體的心智不大那個計算基礎有一點不同就是說326到362的部分是指純心智那不包括這些本來的就純自治啦那其實現在公視的策略是其他除了自治之外他也同時跟其他的產業來做合作所以整體來說他的提升的時數是將近兩倍那362\n\n02:35.999 --> 02:41.640\n所以說這一點就是本席納悶的地方就你連今天給我們報告照理講各部會都是報喜不報憂啊有盡量漂亮數字盡量多報結果你們是報憂不報喜啊\n\n02:57.969 --> 03:26.260\n明明有600多個時數只有你們只有報300多個時數還有我剛剛在算我想說一整年才300多個時數換算成這整年的這個平均來講我們這新制節目那是剩下的節目都是重播嗎還是怎麼樣沒有沒有沒有重播就是說好所以是不是會後請整理一個最正確完整的數字告訴本席說到底我們的兒少頻道在今年11、13年會有多少的這個新制節目好不好\n\n03:26.940 --> 03:53.673\n再來我想新制節目是一個部分但是更重要的是譬如說我自己是兩個孩子的父親我一個三歲半一個五歲我們自己念一句不及那個卡通明星我們念一百句不及卡通明星講一句說這個飯後要刷牙睡前要刷牙講半天我們要追著他跑然後說我來幫你刷牙他打死不要但是只要那個巧虎一跟他講是說要刷牙喔\n\n03:54.133 --> 04:13.705\n他馬上他拿著牙刷說爸爸今天晚上要刷牙不然不能睡覺那一樣的道理明星很重要本席也常常陪我女兒看玻璃我甚至我都會唱玻璃的歌玻璃玻璃玻璃不怕任何危險玻璃玻璃玻璃以期勇敢冒險好還會跳對不對\n\n04:17.506 --> 04:43.355\n那麼輕鬆只是說來鋪陳啦重點是我們的明星在哪裡我們現在兒少頻道能不能舉一下因為本席剛剛特別也在YouTube上找不到第一是不是我們的公視是有什麼樣的限制我們不讓我們因為很多的家長一定跟本席一樣如果說真的小朋友要看這個節目的時候我們就是打開YouTube找巧虎玻璃\n\n04:44.138 --> 04:46.339\n對於台灣的自製IP的提升這的確是在接下來的內容的一個重要的\n\n05:11.785 --> 05:13.306\n水果奶奶是1998年到現在\n\n05:26.758 --> 05:52.925\n當然我不否認我們台灣IP打造不容易我承認沒有說什麼你以為砸錢就沒有這種事對委員很了解但是能夠怎麼樣利用以他人的這個他山知識可以工作就是說別的國家有創造一些真的不錯的IP我們能不能有複製其實這也談很多啦台劇也是這樣嘛看到別人劇怎麼樣那我們也希望是說能夠複製對在產製的模式上但IP很小心狀\n\n05:56.426 --> 06:16.941\n本席想問到目前為止或說就次長你心目中的想法或說我們公視這個兒少頻道的想法我們有沒有一個主力未來可以代表我們兒少頻道我想我可以直接請公視就兒少頻道的IP的規劃這一部分來做比較清楚的說明來簡單說明好不好你們現在有沒有比如說一個頻道誰可以代表我們之後想到\n\n06:18.532 --> 06:38.011\n其實《學過奶奶》當然是最招牌的但是因為它本來是真人來辦我們現在其實在前年開始我們已經把它做動畫化所以已經有個妖果小學的IP現在我們持續在推廣但是妖果小學它其實非常受小朋友歡迎其實我們辦很多巡迴小朋友已經都會唱跳那個妖果的主題曲了\n\n06:38.551 --> 06:38.991\n我們預計資源打造妖果小學\n\n07:07.304 --> 07:28.881\n腰是妖怪的腰嗎?對不對?預計我們要花多少的一個經費來做這樣的一個部分?其實妖果這一季第二季是4000萬的預算是在做第二次的動畫因為我們第一季是做了6集15分鐘而已所以我們第二季會再增加它的量增加多少?\n\n07:32.027 --> 07:47.217\n因為本期現在馬上就查妖國小學在我們YouTube上面第一季就是13集那每一集7分鐘是不是對我隨便點一則啊觀看次數1162次1162次\n\n07:57.189 --> 08:23.166\n說實在話這不是一個我們期待或是說理想或說真的知名度高的IP這很事實我們今天就是認識您剛提妖國小學我馬上查youtube上公視兒少這個頻道是3萬8千人的這個點閱戶而妖國小學影集第一季第10集1162次的觀賞\n\n08:26.087 --> 08:40.579\n第12集一千兩百二十二次的觀賞所以說實在話還這量呢還不夠喔量呢還不夠這確實來次長針對這個部分我們有沒有一個不要說KPI啦但至少\n\n08:41.482 --> 09:08.507\n我們自己自製的節目我們也希望有教育意義我們也希望能夠打造一個好的IP那這樣子一個自製節目我們有沒有期待在今年剛剛有講了4千萬4千萬其實對大家來講不一定多但是有沒有一個KPI會認為是說至少我們在今年可以有多少的觀眾數或是說多少人來了解甚至說能夠推廣到多少甚至有沒有可能結合教育部有沒有可能結合衛福部\n\n09:09.448 --> 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這沒問題一個月一個月內可以 是不是我覺得這比較具體我不知道因為受眾在他們那邊其實我們很清楚我們的兒少頻道受眾是哪裡那當然就是借助他跨部會的力量那第二個部分就是針對這個KPI的部分到年底"},{"start":764.554,"end":764.834,"text":"謝謝,可以,可以"}]}}}}