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00:01:07,018\n來擔任勞動部部長。那你覺得這樣的一個人事的更換會讓勞動部帶領得更好嗎?因為這個人事權當然在久隔潰啦齁。但是我要說明一下其實我跟佩珊不算陌生齁。我擔任勞動部長以後其實我們在公務上有很多的...所以你認為她很適任?會做得比你好?會嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:08,058 --> 00:01:26,007\n我對他有信心,因為我覺得他對勞動這個不陌生而且我在跟他討論過程中那之前在這個一例一休修法的時候他其實是搭配當時的行政院院長賴清德是勞基法修二讓勞工團體非常反彈\n\n5\n00:01:27,369 --> 00:01:45,714\n那這個你知道嗎?那段我是沒有參與,我不曉得你沒有參與嗎?所以本席讓你瞭解光是這一段他要跟勞工團體的溝通我想要花更多時間大家現在在質疑的是他將來的在勞工政策的立場是會站在勞動部的立場、站在勞工的立場還是站在資方的立場?\n\n6\n00:01:46,674 --> 00:01:48,455\n接下來本期要問的是有關於這個花蓮觀光業受創非常嚴重\n\n7\n00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:22,072\n這個問題看起來是越來越嚴重目前看到的前陣子的報導呢就是有一些這個旅館他是直接歇業了而且大量解雇目前大概有將近300個人已經是無班可上但不只這樣最近看起來\n\n8\n00:02:23,133 --> 00:02:48,753\n這個因為不是04、03的地震、04、23再震了所以變成是這個旅館業他們說他們現在住宿率只剩下5%然後東大門夜市根本沒有人去那這樣的一個慘況失業人數可能還要再攀升無薪假人數可能也會增加目前為止勞動部有掌握到花蓮強震之後他們現在勞工在當地的一個情況嗎\n\n9\n00:02:50,261 --> 00:03:04,353\n報告委員,因為我們當地有我們的就業服務中心,所以我們...掌握到是什麼情況?目前那個我們現在...人數有沒有比本席現在講的這個更多?\n\n10\n00:03:07,140 --> 00:03:27,537\n現在無薪假人數有多少?無薪假?無薪假沒有增加?無薪假沒有?現在只有一家三人,通報一家三人。無薪假就是減班休息?對,這邊只有一家,然後三個人,通報減班休息。那解僱呢?解僱喔,之前解僱40家。\n\n11\n00:03:29,498 --> 00:03:43,804\n兩百零二人大量解雇兩家一百二十三就是委員您講的這個部分目前為止你們掌握到的是三百對這是什麼時候的數據昨天昨天最先的數據對好我們每天都是會有更新啊好\n\n12\n00:03:44,324 --> 00:04:10,364\n那面對花蓮這樣的一個情況之前本席就說你們應該要有一個專案來協助花蓮因為它短期其實我看是復甦不了了那所以這一些廣大的勞工靠這一些旅遊業賴以生計的其實不只旅遊業啦因為觀光沒有你可能連做這一些辦手禮的各方面的產業衝擊是大的那它需要一個比較長期的復甦的過程你們有組成專案要持續來協助他們嗎對\n\n13\n00:04:12,765 --> 00:04:40,551\n委員我們其實有跟委員報告我們因為這個大地震我們目前就委員您執行以後我們有啟動七大的措施來協助我們花蓮受災的這些事業單位跟勞工好那我希望你們強化另外一個本席要關注的是災區的這一些工人的安全因為現在為了災後的重建所以有一些其實是要搶工那甚至我們看到這個公文內政部他還說這個\n\n14\n00:04:49,130 --> 00:05:06,541\n但是另外一方面本席擔心的就是為了搶快的過程當中勞工的風險就是有沒有去適度的提醒像今天早上又連山震就是花蓮那個地方如果你是要做這個災後搶救工作相關的工人其實那個的安全真的要特別注意要不然可能\n\n15\n00:05:07,001 --> 00:05:07,942\n會受到二次的傷害\n\n16\n00:05:30,235 --> 00:05:57,826\n對,這一點本席要求因為現在花蓮有幾棟其實也是圍樓或是家裡面它有一些其實是危險的那有些搶修的工人可能為了搶快大家也希望盡快復原但是我覺得安全還是要幫他顧好不好這個是非常重要的另外一點這有關於勞檢人力的部分現在中央有一些在勞檢人力的部分你在員額的分配上面看起來是不太均的在六都裡面\n\n17\n00:05:58,386 --> 00:06:25,431\n其實是不太均的那另外一個是你們現在有一些業務其實是開始去下放給地方擴大授權那以台中市來講這個我知道從去年開始你們就開始有一些勞檢的範圍就授權給台中市政府但是同時你們勞檢的原額其實並沒有上升那這樣會變成是業務量加大但是人員沒有增加那這個部分你們要怎麼樣去處理\n\n18\n00:06:27,009 --> 00:06:37,035\n報告委員,其實那個緣口部這些人力我們主要是補助。是啊。當然也可以擴編啊。我知道,但重要的補助很重要。地方財政其實都很辛苦啊。\n\n19\n00:06:37,591 --> 00:06:38,772\n好,一個是緣額,一個是現在其實他們的流動率是高的\n\n20\n00:07:05,913 --> 00:07:20,233\n就是因為業務量大大家每一下出現什麼公安狀況就是說要增加勞檢次數那勞檢員的福利跟薪資待遇如果沒有同時去做一些修正其實現在就本席知道的他們其實有的員額還不見得補得足啊\n\n21\n00:07:21,755 --> 00:07:43,631\n就現有的原來不見得補得足。那就是一個惡性循環。就是說福利待遇不好、案件量又大、然後又補不足。所以基本你是不是應該要去改善他們的一些相關的福利薪資待遇,再做一個通盤的檢討?可以。包括我們其實這個問題我都有在請業務單位做一些盤點。事實上去年我就先幫他們爭取那個風險工作的加急。\n\n22\n00:07:48,354 --> 00:08:13,700\n是這個部分有就是五千、兩千這個已經三千、五千對不起三千、五千這個已經通過了四月一號正式上路你從事高風險的這些檢查工作每個月你可以多領五千塊或三千塊這一塊我希望你要持續這些勞檢員是你們的分身他們都前進到第一線然後去查看實際執行的情況是不是有違規但是如果連勞檢員都過勞他的\n\n23\n00:08:16,281 --> 00:08:38,634\n主要的這些福利都沒有被照顧好那我覺得你將來這一些實質的勞檢的能量是會下降的所以這一塊我希望中央可以去看到他現在流動率高的原因他必要的這些福利條件應該要給予改善那這樣子才可以讓我們的勞檢員就是不要流動力那麼高然後還有再增加大家會願意進來那這樣你整個的勞檢的量能\n\n24\n00:08:41,275 --> 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03:04.353\n報告委員,因為我們當地有我們的就業服務中心,所以我們...掌握到是什麼情況?目前那個我們現在...人數有沒有比本席現在講的這個更多?\n\n03:07.140 --> 03:27.537\n現在無薪假人數有多少?無薪假?無薪假沒有增加?無薪假沒有?現在只有一家三人,通報一家三人。無薪假就是減班休息?對,這邊只有一家,然後三個人,通報減班休息。那解僱呢?解僱喔,之前解僱40家。\n\n03:29.498 --> 03:43.804\n兩百零二人大量解雇兩家一百二十三就是委員您講的這個部分目前為止你們掌握到的是三百對這是什麼時候的數據昨天昨天最先的數據對好我們每天都是會有更新啊好\n\n03:44.324 --> 04:10.364\n那面對花蓮這樣的一個情況之前本席就說你們應該要有一個專案來協助花蓮因為它短期其實我看是復甦不了了那所以這一些廣大的勞工靠這一些旅遊業賴以生計的其實不只旅遊業啦因為觀光沒有你可能連做這一些辦手禮的各方面的產業衝擊是大的那它需要一個比較長期的復甦的過程你們有組成專案要持續來協助他們嗎對\n\n04:12.765 --> 04:40.551\n委員我們其實有跟委員報告我們因為這個大地震我們目前就委員您執行以後我們有啟動七大的措施來協助我們花蓮受災的這些事業單位跟勞工好那我希望你們強化另外一個本席要關注的是災區的這一些工人的安全因為現在為了災後的重建所以有一些其實是要搶工那甚至我們看到這個公文內政部他還說這個\n\n04:49.130 --> 05:06.541\n但是另外一方面本席擔心的就是為了搶快的過程當中勞工的風險就是有沒有去適度的提醒像今天早上又連山震就是花蓮那個地方如果你是要做這個災後搶救工作相關的工人其實那個的安全真的要特別注意要不然可能\n\n05:07.001 --> 05:07.942\n會受到二次的傷害\n\n05:30.235 --> 05:57.826\n對,這一點本席要求因為現在花蓮有幾棟其實也是圍樓或是家裡面它有一些其實是危險的那有些搶修的工人可能為了搶快大家也希望盡快復原但是我覺得安全還是要幫他顧好不好這個是非常重要的另外一點這有關於勞檢人力的部分現在中央有一些在勞檢人力的部分你在員額的分配上面看起來是不太均的在六都裡面\n\n05:58.386 --> 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