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沒有在場。"],["萬委員美玲：不、不、不，這個你要掌握啊！還是要掌握，這也是重要的，不是嗎？"],["王次長時思：跟委員說明，原先已經有69處的文化資產完成現勘，這些文化資產一共需求3.4億，這3.4億我們計畫在三年內來做修復。"],["萬委員美玲：次長，你說的是69處全部完成現勘了？這是你現在的說法嗎？"],["王次長時思：是的，69處的文化資產。"],["萬委員美玲：你要對委員會負責任喔！這69處文化資產的災損完成現勘了，是這樣嗎？"],["王次長時思：現在是專業服務團隊完成現勘，第一時間現勘……"],["萬委員美玲：完成了嗎？如果沒有完成，你在這裡胡亂回答，我們是不接受的！全部完成了嗎？因為這非常重要，這中間有很多的國定古蹟，完成了嗎？"],["王次長時思：目前我的資料是由各地完成69處，有3.4億是已經估計出來的，如果陸陸續續有接到彙報，我們還會再持續進行。"],["萬委員美玲：好，次長，這一點非常重要，因為地震到現在，餘震不斷，未來的災損情況要隨時掌控，我們要趕快現勘的就要去現勘，該花多少錢、多少時間要有一個計畫下去，趕快把它彌補回來，好不好？這個還是要掌握一下。"],["王次長時思：會，掌握的狀況已經在執行當中，謝謝。"],["萬委員美玲：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝萬美玲委員，次長請回。","我們接下來請葛如鈞委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":374,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-9","speakers":["林宜瑾","洪孟楷","柯志恩","萬美玲","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","陳秀寳","吳沛憶","張雅琳","吳春城","葉元之","陳培瑜","何欣純","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:14,111\n我們再來看這個晚間時段的收視率更只有0.19也是繼2008年以來的新低所以胡董事長我想請教一下為什麼我們立法院修法讓公視有更多的制播的量呢有給你更多的揮灑的空間那文化部的補助也從去年的9億暴增到了一個30億結果呢\n\n7\n00:02:19,153 --> 00:02:44,160\n您剛才也說了我們給予這麼多的調整結果你交出來是這種成績單你認為這樣的表現你有覺得有及格嗎?在你預料之中嗎?跟委員報告一下所謂捐贈經費的增加是有一部分是原來補助項目調整為捐贈董事長本席的問題是這樣的一個成績你滿意嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:45,727 --> 00:03:07,058\n當然還是有強化的空間只是有強化的空間所以你覺得還可以是這樣嗎那個董事長我想我們來看一下這個成績這樣成績覺得還可以這你可以接受補助這麼多的經費然後這個法令上給予很多的鬆綁希望他有好的表現結果排名是五年來最差收視率一直往下降怎麼會這樣呢\n\n9\n00:03:08,459 --> 00:03:13,125\n委員在整個面臨頻道收視習慣改變的情況現在整個都往數位頻道的方向去發展所以這也是公視的努力我們也希望公視再透過這一次的修法跟運算的變更把它整個定位調向更往產製的中心更往內容的中心產製我們等一下來談\n\n10\n00:03:27,922 --> 00:03:28,483\n胡董事長麻煩一下胡董事長\n\n11\n00:03:51,517 --> 00:04:09,324\n雖然我們從去年開始全面加速數位轉型希望提供在其他平台的服務不過我還是覺得原來的頻道它的確對於像比如說年紀比較長的壯世代的這些觀眾來講是非常重要所以這塊我們還是會努力\n\n12\n00:04:11,115 --> 00:04:16,598\n我想會後你應該要擬定一個計畫出來因為本席剛剛聽到的是你點出過去既有的問題點那你只有既有的問題點然後你沒有一個辦法沒有一個計畫問題永遠就在那裡所以我認為給本席給一個建議真的要擬出你現在問題點出來的計畫是什麼\n\n13\n00:04:30,504 --> 00:04:44,068\n你預計怎麼改嗎?循序經理怎麼做嗎?我們沒有要求你今天是29名然後歷年來收視最低馬上要竄升到第一這不可能的事情嘛那你要調整要有計畫出來所以呢我希望啦針對這些問題點這些計畫你要開始做啦那再來呢剛剛提到了公視預計8月20號要把公視的第3台轉型成公視兒少頻道那這一點胡董事長我們公視準備好了嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:56,102 --> 00:05:24,822\n我們現在存在於衝刺當中準備好了嗎?我們希望我們應該是有信心的有信心但是準備工作做了嗎?我們按時間表在操課所以是有信心可以完成是這樣嗎?對好很好因為只有信心沒有計畫缺乏執行力那是不行的好嗎?所以呢我想既然我們有信心也有目標了那是不是你要為這個公視的兒少頻道定一個平均收視的目標這是最清楚的\n\n15\n00:05:26,168 --> 00:05:50,674\n跟委員說明一下因為今年8月才要開始所以我們覺得今年的經驗所以要請你訂目標啊意思就是說我們今年的經驗可以作為我們訂目標來年訂目標的一個重要的參考今年的目標我們在如果您談的是收視率的話我們還涉及到頻道的位置還有其他相關的資源的準備所以這個部分我們真的要跟委員\n\n16\n00:05:51,414 --> 00:06:16,406\n我們拿文化部這個頻道拿文化部高達6億的預算但是呢當然您說就是依據今年我們這個開播之後來調整明年的這個收視目標我可以接受那叫調整但你不可能一個新台也拿了這個文化部的補助然後我沒有目標我說我今年來做做看說完以後明年我們再來設定目標這是不能接受的啦好不好我想我們再把整個\n\n17\n00:06:17,446 --> 00:06:35,390\n整體的目標跟包括流量整個的目標提供給委員很好次長這樣做就是對的了我們錢補助出去了當然要有目標嘛所以董事長想說我們今年先來做做看然後等那個明年我們再來看看依據今年的狀況調整一個目標怎麼可能啦這不是我把六億丟到水裡去的概念嗎給你試試看來做一個遊戲玩一玩嗎不是這樣子的\n\n18\n00:06:38,471 --> 00:06:53,784\n這目標一定要定出來,所以次長講這個我可以接受那我想這個次長跟董事長這個文化部的專報我們看在第二頁有指出來在節目製作方面公視在112年這個兒少新制兒少新制的節目的時數326個小時113年要提升到362個小時也就是說\n\n19\n00:06:59,669 --> 00:07:02,712\n關於6億元的金費,我們新制的時數只有提升10個百分點,那就是增加36個小時。我覺得這個時數是合理嗎?\n\n20\n00:07:17,662 --> 00:07:35,094\n這個時數合理嗎?為什麼這麼少而要花這麼多的經費?委員不好意思,剛有解釋過因為它的計算基礎其實在之前不應該是362362是指純自治它事實上是639小時所以提升是超過百分之百所以它的數字的計算基礎應該是前後計算有誤所以這個更新的資料我們再提供給委員\n\n21\n00:07:36,554 --> 00:07:55,908\n麻煩以後要有正確的數字好嗎?是,主要是對,應該是把所有的新制的時數都算上但是他提供的362指的是其實本席感覺這一個新制的節目當然我們對他賦予很高的期待也給他很多的支持可是我看起來目前為止有一點手忙腳亂荒牆走板要目標沒有目標然後這個我們要計算一些數字還會有錯誤那看起來我覺得還沒有完全準備好\n\n22\n00:08:22,229 --> 00:08:39,513\n再來我想請教一下專報第10頁我們提到在公視兒少頻道推動的策略中我們要去匯集臺灣原創動畫的能量然後鼓勵原創的IP來投入這個這個兒少動畫的一個影集的製作那我們希望能夠開發這國內帶狀動畫的影集然後藉由支持國內動畫製作的一個技術整合那可以達到打造臺灣原創IP動畫的一個影像我覺得非常的好但是胡董先生一樣本期要請教你目前\n\n23\n00:08:51,195 --> 00:09:02,667\n公視是不是已經有找到原創IP來投入這個製作全新的兒少動畫影集了那同時因為8月嘛剛剛說8月20喔這個頻道要開播那所以在8月20之前我們的成果是什麼\n\n24\n00:09:04,984 --> 00:09:24,282\n我們偵案的部分在原創IP的動畫部分已經委託出去了這個可以跟委員報告第二個就是剛才我只是解釋一下我說收視率沒有但我們有其他的KPI並不是沒有其他的KPI所以這點也跟委員說明那您如果要知道那個動畫的部分我可以請我們同仁說明一下那個原創IP\n\n25\n00:09:27,544 --> 00:09:51,195\n開台的時候是勇者動畫系列第二季會在開台時候播出。什麼時候?8月20。8月20?所以8月20您所說的這個勇者動畫系列就會如期播出?對,那是我們現在已經在做的。你確定嗎?你要很確定喔!在這裡可是不能亂打的喔!如果你說8月20就能播出,8月20那時候如果我們沒有看到的話,誰來負責?在這裡打詢可是不能亂講的喔!\n\n26\n00:10:00,458 --> 00:10:00,879\n除了這個勇者動畫系列再來呢?\n\n27\n00:10:18,513 --> 00:10:36,958\n我是陳派派。他是年土動畫,就是念念人的動畫,是今年真案進來的。那預計就是在明年的時候的9月的時候可以推出。那他是一個逐格動畫,也是這一次就會有一家競標的部分。\n\n28\n00:10:37,918 --> 00:10:38,038\n蘇珍妮娜議員\n\n29\n00:11:08,098 --> 00:11:09,218\n最後想一點點時間一個問題我想這個地震到現在為止我們看到在這個\n\n30\n00:11:33,943 --> 00:11:34,444\n目前全國文資災損的情形如何?\n\n31\n00:11:52,395 --> 00:12:15,228\n我們大概全國現在我記得整體來說我們大概整理了200多處大大小小的然後整體的需要經費有3億多那這3億多我們也計畫從中央的災損的基金還有就是我們你說所有多少處的文資災損我可以拿一下我桌上的資料嗎你說有200多處的文資災損各式各樣的各式各樣的200多處的文資災損我們有一個清點數據文資局\n\n32\n00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:20,432\n兩百多處跟委員說明,因為今天的專題報告是兒少,所以文資局沒有在場。\n\n33\n00:12:33,507 --> 00:12:35,267\n市長,你說的是69處全部完成現刊了?\n\n34\n00:12:35,267 --> 00:12:35,887\n是的現在這是你的說法嗎?\n\n35\n00:12:35,887 --> 00:12:39,168\n是你要對委員會負責任喔69處的文化資產的這個篩選,完成現刊了是這樣嗎?現在是在專業服務團隊完成現刊,第一時間現刊,對完成了嗎?\n\n36\n00:13:03,069 --> 00:13:03,630\n目前我的資料是由各地\n\n37\n00:13:15,666 --> 00:13:15,986\n好,這個還是要掌握一下\n\n38\n00:13:44,684 --> 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次長這樣做就是對的了我們錢補助出去了當然要有目標嘛所以董事長想說我們今年先來做做看然後等那個明年我們再來看看依據今年的狀況調整一個目標怎麼可能啦這不是我把六億丟到水裡去的概念嗎給你試試看來做一個遊戲玩一玩嗎不是這樣子的\n398471\t413784\t這目標一定要定出來,所以次長講這個我可以接受那我想這個次長跟董事長這個文化部的專報我們看在第二頁有指出來在節目製作方面公視在112年這個兒少新制兒少新制的節目的時數326個小時113年要提升到362個小時也就是說\n419669\t422712\t關於6億元的金費,我們新制的時數只有提升10個百分點,那就是增加36個小時。我覺得這個時數是合理嗎?\n437662\t455094\t這個時數合理嗎?為什麼這麼少而要花這麼多的經費?委員不好意思,剛有解釋過因為它的計算基礎其實在之前不應該是362362是指純自治它事實上是639小時所以提升是超過百分之百所以它的數字的計算基礎應該是前後計算有誤所以這個更新的資料我們再提供給委員\n456554\t475908\t麻煩以後要有正確的數字好嗎?是,主要是對,應該是把所有的新制的時數都算上但是他提供的362指的是其實本席感覺這一個新制的節目當然我們對他賦予很高的期待也給他很多的支持可是我看起來目前為止有一點手忙腳亂荒牆走板要目標沒有目標然後這個我們要計算一些數字還會有錯誤那看起來我覺得還沒有完全準備好\n484394\t501869\t⋯⋯⋯\n502229\t519513\t再來我想請教一下專報第10頁我們提到在公視兒少頻道推動的策略中我們要去匯集臺灣原創動畫的能量然後鼓勵原創的IP來投入這個這個兒少動畫的一個影集的製作那我們希望能夠開發這國內帶狀動畫的影集然後藉由支持國內動畫製作的一個技術整合那可以達到打造臺灣原創IP動畫的一個影像我覺得非常的好但是胡董先生一樣本期要請教你目前\n531195\t542667\t公視是不是已經有找到原創IP來投入這個製作全新的兒少動畫影集了那同時因為8月嘛剛剛說8月20喔這個頻道要開播那所以在8月20之前我們的成果是什麼\n544984\t564282\t我們偵案的部分在原創IP的動畫部分已經委託出去了這個可以跟委員報告第二個就是剛才我只是解釋一下我說收視率沒有但我們有其他的KPI並不是沒有其他的KPI所以這點也跟委員說明那您如果要知道那個動畫的部分我可以請我們同仁說明一下那個原創IP\n567544\t591195\t開台的時候是勇者動畫系列第二季會在開台時候播出。什麼時候?8月20。8月20?所以8月20您所說的這個勇者動畫系列就會如期播出?對,那是我們現在已經在做的。你確定嗎?你要很確定喔!在這裡可是不能亂打的喔!如果你說8月20就能播出,8月20那時候如果我們沒有看到的話,誰來負責?在這裡打詢可是不能亂講的喔!\n600458\t600879\t除了這個勇者動畫系列再來呢?\n618513\t636958\t我是陳派派。他是年土動畫,就是念念人的動畫,是今年真案進來的。那預計就是在明年的時候的9月的時候可以推出。那他是一個逐格動畫,也是這一次就會有一家競標的部分。\n637918\t638038\t蘇珍妮娜議員\n668098\t669218\t最後想一點點時間一個問題我想這個地震到現在為止我們看到在這個\n693943\t694444\t目前全國文資災損的情形如何?\n712395\t735228\t我們大概全國現在我記得整體來說我們大概整理了200多處大大小小的然後整體的需要經費有3億多那這3億多我們也計畫從中央的災損的基金還有就是我們你說所有多少處的文資災損我可以拿一下我桌上的資料嗎你說有200多處的文資災損各式各樣的各式各樣的200多處的文資災損我們有一個清點數據文資局\n738650\t740432\t兩百多處跟委員說明,因為今天的專題報告是兒少,所以文資局沒有在場。\n753507\t755267\t市長,你說的是69處全部完成現刊了?\n755267\t755887\t是的現在這是你的說法嗎?\n755887\t759168\t是你要對委員會負責任喔69處的文化資產的這個篩選,完成現刊了是這樣嗎?現在是在專業服務團隊完成現刊,第一時間現刊,對完成了嗎?\n783069\t783630\t目前我的資料是由各地\n795666\t795986\t好,這個還是要掌握一下\n824684\t824704\t好 謝謝 謝謝\n","txt":"王次長和胡董事長\n好,兩位早我想首先先就教一下去年5月26號我們立法院三度通過了公視法的修正案那將其中第一條的條文公視定位為彌補商業電視不足修法之後刪除了這個所謂的小而美的一個角色同時我們也讓公視可以掙脫每一年政府可以捐贈9億上限這個你們所謂的緊箍咒那這個距離這個修法\n謝謝委員在修法之後的確在文化部6億元的捐贈經費的增加之下\n所以會不斷進步?\n我們來看公視4月8日公布今年第一季的收視率結果平均只有0.09頻道排名第29名收視的平均跟排名都比去年還要再下滑了整個頻道的排名更是5年來的最差\n我們再來看這個晚間時段的收視率更只有0.19也是繼2008年以來的新低所以胡董事長我想請教一下為什麼我們立法院修法讓公視有更多的制播的量呢有給你更多的揮灑的空間那文化部的補助也從去年的9億暴增到了一個30億結果呢\n您剛才也說了我們給予這麼多的調整結果你交出來是這種成績單你認為這樣的表現你有覺得有及格嗎?在你預料之中嗎?跟委員報告一下所謂捐贈經費的增加是有一部分是原來補助項目調整為捐贈董事長本席的問題是這樣的一個成績你滿意嗎?\n當然還是有強化的空間只是有強化的空間所以你覺得還可以是這樣嗎那個董事長我想我們來看一下這個成績這樣成績覺得還可以這你可以接受補助這麼多的經費然後這個法令上給予很多的鬆綁希望他有好的表現結果排名是五年來最差收視率一直往下降怎麼會這樣呢\n委員在整個面臨頻道收視習慣改變的情況現在整個都往數位頻道的方向去發展所以這也是公視的努力我們也希望公視再透過這一次的修法跟運算的變更把它整個定位調向更往產製的中心更往內容的中心產製我們等一下來談\n胡董事長麻煩一下胡董事長\n雖然我們從去年開始全面加速數位轉型希望提供在其他平台的服務不過我還是覺得原來的頻道它的確對於像比如說年紀比較長的壯世代的這些觀眾來講是非常重要所以這塊我們還是會努力\n我想 會後你應該要擬定一個計畫出來因為本席剛剛聽到的是你點出過去既有的問題點那你只有既有的問題點然後你沒有一個辦法沒有一個計畫問題永遠就在那裡所以我認為給本席給一個建議真的要擬出你現在問題點出來的計畫是什麼\n你預計怎麼改嗎?循序經理怎麼做嗎?我們沒有要求你今天是29名然後歷年來收視最低馬上要竄升到第一這不可能的事情嘛那你要調整要有計畫出來所以呢我希望啦針對這些問題點這些計畫你要開始做啦那再來呢剛剛提到了公視預計8月20號要把公視的第3台轉型成公視兒少頻道那這一點胡董事長我們公視準備好了嗎?\n我們現在存在於衝刺當中準備好了嗎?我們希望我們應該是有信心的有信心但是準備工作做了嗎?我們按時間表在操課所以是有信心可以完成是這樣嗎?對好很好因為只有信心沒有計畫缺乏執行力那是不行的好嗎?所以呢我想既然我們有信心也有目標了那是不是你要為這個公視的兒少頻道定一個平均收視的目標這是最清楚的\n跟委員說明一下因為今年8月才要開始所以我們覺得今年的經驗所以要請你訂目標啊意思就是說我們今年的經驗可以作為我們訂目標來年訂目標的一個重要的參考今年的目標我們在如果您談的是收視率的話我們還涉及到頻道的位置還有其他相關的資源的準備所以這個部分我們真的要跟委員\n我們拿文化部這個頻道拿文化部高達6億的預算但是呢當然您說就是依據今年我們這個開播之後來調整明年的這個收視目標我可以接受那叫調整但你不可能一個新台也拿了這個文化部的補助然後我沒有目標我說我今年來做做看說完以後明年我們再來設定目標這是不能接受的啦好不好我想我們再把整個\n整體的目標跟包括流量整個的目標提供給委員很好 次長這樣做就是對的了我們錢補助出去了當然要有目標嘛所以董事長想說我們今年先來做做看然後等那個明年我們再來看看依據今年的狀況調整一個目標怎麼可能啦這不是我把六億丟到水裡去的概念嗎給你試試看來做一個遊戲玩一玩嗎不是這樣子的\n這目標一定要定出來,所以次長講這個我可以接受那我想這個次長跟董事長這個文化部的專報我們看在第二頁有指出來在節目製作方面公視在112年這個兒少新制兒少新制的節目的時數326個小時113年要提升到362個小時也就是說\n關於6億元的金費,我們新制的時數只有提升10個百分點,那就是增加36個小時。我覺得這個時數是合理嗎?\n這個時數合理嗎?為什麼這麼少而要花這麼多的經費?委員不好意思,剛有解釋過因為它的計算基礎其實在之前不應該是362362是指純自治它事實上是639小時所以提升是超過百分之百所以它的數字的計算基礎應該是前後計算有誤所以這個更新的資料我們再提供給委員\n麻煩以後要有正確的數字好嗎?是,主要是對,應該是把所有的新制的時數都算上但是他提供的362指的是其實本席感覺這一個新制的節目當然我們對他賦予很高的期待也給他很多的支持可是我看起來目前為止有一點手忙腳亂荒牆走板要目標沒有目標然後這個我們要計算一些數字還會有錯誤那看起來我覺得還沒有完全準備好\n⋯⋯⋯\n再來我想請教一下專報第10頁我們提到在公視兒少頻道推動的策略中我們要去匯集臺灣原創動畫的能量然後鼓勵原創的IP來投入這個這個兒少動畫的一個影集的製作那我們希望能夠開發這國內帶狀動畫的影集然後藉由支持國內動畫製作的一個技術整合那可以達到打造臺灣原創IP動畫的一個影像我覺得非常的好但是胡董先生一樣本期要請教你目前\n公視是不是已經有找到原創IP來投入這個製作全新的兒少動畫影集了那同時因為8月嘛剛剛說8月20喔這個頻道要開播那所以在8月20之前我們的成果是什麼\n我們偵案的部分在原創IP的動畫部分已經委託出去了這個可以跟委員報告第二個就是剛才我只是解釋一下我說收視率沒有但我們有其他的KPI並不是沒有其他的KPI所以這點也跟委員說明那您如果要知道那個動畫的部分我可以請我們同仁說明一下那個原創IP\n開台的時候是勇者動畫系列第二季會在開台時候播出。什麼時候?8月20。8月20?所以8月20您所說的這個勇者動畫系列就會如期播出?對,那是我們現在已經在做的。你確定嗎?你要很確定喔!在這裡可是不能亂打的喔!如果你說8月20就能播出,8月20那時候如果我們沒有看到的話,誰來負責?在這裡打詢可是不能亂講的喔!\n除了這個勇者動畫系列再來呢?\n我是陳派派。他是年土動畫,就是念念人的動畫,是今年真案進來的。那預計就是在明年的時候的9月的時候可以推出。那他是一個逐格動畫,也是這一次就會有一家競標的部分。\n蘇珍妮娜議員\n最後想一點點時間一個問題我想這個地震到現在為止我們看到在這個\n目前全國文資災損的情形如何?\n我們大概全國現在我記得整體來說我們大概整理了200多處大大小小的然後整體的需要經費有3億多那這3億多我們也計畫從中央的災損的基金還有就是我們你說所有多少處的文資災損我可以拿一下我桌上的資料嗎你說有200多處的文資災損各式各樣的各式各樣的200多處的文資災損我們有一個清點數據文資局\n兩百多處跟委員說明,因為今天的專題報告是兒少,所以文資局沒有在場。\n市長,你說的是69處全部完成現刊了?\n是的現在這是你的說法嗎?\n是你要對委員會負責任喔69處的文化資產的這個篩選,完成現刊了是這樣嗎?現在是在專業服務團隊完成現刊,第一時間現刊,對完成了嗎?\n目前我的資料是由各地\n好,這個還是要掌握一下\n好 謝謝 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.902 --> 00:06.563\n王次長和胡董事長\n\n00:18.664 --> 00:42.216\n好,兩位早我想首先先就教一下去年5月26號我們立法院三度通過了公視法的修正案那將其中第一條的條文公視定位為彌補商業電視不足修法之後刪除了這個所謂的小而美的一個角色同時我們也讓公視可以掙脫每一年政府可以捐贈9億上限這個你們所謂的緊箍咒那這個距離這個修法\n\n00:46.638 --> 00:48.339\n謝謝委員在修法之後的確在文化部6億元的捐贈經費的增加之下\n\n01:07.185 --> 01:07.685\n所以會不斷進步?\n\n01:29.924 --> 01:34.267\n我們來看公視4月8日公布今年第一季的收視率結果平均只有0.09頻道排名第29名收視的平均跟排名都比去年還要再下滑了整個頻道的排名更是5年來的最差\n\n01:57.804 --> 02:14.111\n我們再來看這個晚間時段的收視率更只有0.19也是繼2008年以來的新低所以胡董事長我想請教一下為什麼我們立法院修法讓公視有更多的制播的量呢有給你更多的揮灑的空間那文化部的補助也從去年的9億暴增到了一個30億結果呢\n\n02:19.153 --> 02:44.160\n您剛才也說了我們給予這麼多的調整結果你交出來是這種成績單你認為這樣的表現你有覺得有及格嗎?在你預料之中嗎?跟委員報告一下所謂捐贈經費的增加是有一部分是原來補助項目調整為捐贈董事長本席的問題是這樣的一個成績你滿意嗎?\n\n02:45.727 --> 03:07.058\n當然還是有強化的空間只是有強化的空間所以你覺得還可以是這樣嗎那個董事長我想我們來看一下這個成績這樣成績覺得還可以這你可以接受補助這麼多的經費然後這個法令上給予很多的鬆綁希望他有好的表現結果排名是五年來最差收視率一直往下降怎麼會這樣呢\n\n03:08.459 --> 03:13.125\n委員在整個面臨頻道收視習慣改變的情況現在整個都往數位頻道的方向去發展所以這也是公視的努力我們也希望公視再透過這一次的修法跟運算的變更把它整個定位調向更往產製的中心更往內容的中心產製我們等一下來談\n\n03:27.922 --> 03:28.483\n胡董事長麻煩一下胡董事長\n\n03:51.517 --> 04:09.324\n雖然我們從去年開始全面加速數位轉型希望提供在其他平台的服務不過我還是覺得原來的頻道它的確對於像比如說年紀比較長的壯世代的這些觀眾來講是非常重要所以這塊我們還是會努力\n\n04:11.115 --> 04:16.598\n我想會後你應該要擬定一個計畫出來因為本席剛剛聽到的是你點出過去既有的問題點那你只有既有的問題點然後你沒有一個辦法沒有一個計畫問題永遠就在那裡所以我認為給本席給一個建議真的要擬出你現在問題點出來的計畫是什麼\n\n04:30.504 --> 04:44.068\n你預計怎麼改嗎?循序經理怎麼做嗎?我們沒有要求你今天是29名然後歷年來收視最低馬上要竄升到第一這不可能的事情嘛那你要調整要有計畫出來所以呢我希望啦針對這些問題點這些計畫你要開始做啦那再來呢剛剛提到了公視預計8月20號要把公視的第3台轉型成公視兒少頻道那這一點胡董事長我們公視準備好了嗎?\n\n04:56.102 --> 05:24.822\n我們現在存在於衝刺當中準備好了嗎?我們希望我們應該是有信心的有信心但是準備工作做了嗎?我們按時間表在操課所以是有信心可以完成是這樣嗎?對好很好因為只有信心沒有計畫缺乏執行力那是不行的好嗎?所以呢我想既然我們有信心也有目標了那是不是你要為這個公視的兒少頻道定一個平均收視的目標這是最清楚的\n\n05:26.168 --> 05:50.674\n跟委員說明一下因為今年8月才要開始所以我們覺得今年的經驗所以要請你訂目標啊意思就是說我們今年的經驗可以作為我們訂目標來年訂目標的一個重要的參考今年的目標我們在如果您談的是收視率的話我們還涉及到頻道的位置還有其他相關的資源的準備所以這個部分我們真的要跟委員\n\n05:51.414 --> 06:16.406\n我們拿文化部這個頻道拿文化部高達6億的預算但是呢當然您說就是依據今年我們這個開播之後來調整明年的這個收視目標我可以接受那叫調整但你不可能一個新台也拿了這個文化部的補助然後我沒有目標我說我今年來做做看說完以後明年我們再來設定目標這是不能接受的啦好不好我想我們再把整個\n\n06:17.446 --> 06:35.390\n整體的目標跟包括流量整個的目標提供給委員很好次長這樣做就是對的了我們錢補助出去了當然要有目標嘛所以董事長想說我們今年先來做做看然後等那個明年我們再來看看依據今年的狀況調整一個目標怎麼可能啦這不是我把六億丟到水裡去的概念嗎給你試試看來做一個遊戲玩一玩嗎不是這樣子的\n\n06:38.471 --> 06:53.784\n這目標一定要定出來,所以次長講這個我可以接受那我想這個次長跟董事長這個文化部的專報我們看在第二頁有指出來在節目製作方面公視在112年這個兒少新制兒少新制的節目的時數326個小時113年要提升到362個小時也就是說\n\n06:59.669 --> 07:02.712\n關於6億元的金費,我們新制的時數只有提升10個百分點,那就是增加36個小時。我覺得這個時數是合理嗎?\n\n07:17.662 --> 07:35.094\n這個時數合理嗎?為什麼這麼少而要花這麼多的經費?委員不好意思,剛有解釋過因為它的計算基礎其實在之前不應該是362362是指純自治它事實上是639小時所以提升是超過百分之百所以它的數字的計算基礎應該是前後計算有誤所以這個更新的資料我們再提供給委員\n\n07:36.554 --> 07:55.908\n麻煩以後要有正確的數字好嗎?是,主要是對,應該是把所有的新制的時數都算上但是他提供的362指的是其實本席感覺這一個新制的節目當然我們對他賦予很高的期待也給他很多的支持可是我看起來目前為止有一點手忙腳亂荒牆走板要目標沒有目標然後這個我們要計算一些數字還會有錯誤那看起來我覺得還沒有完全準備好\n\n08:22.229 --> 08:39.513\n再來我想請教一下專報第10頁我們提到在公視兒少頻道推動的策略中我們要去匯集臺灣原創動畫的能量然後鼓勵原創的IP來投入這個這個兒少動畫的一個影集的製作那我們希望能夠開發這國內帶狀動畫的影集然後藉由支持國內動畫製作的一個技術整合那可以達到打造臺灣原創IP動畫的一個影像我覺得非常的好但是胡董先生一樣本期要請教你目前\n\n08:51.195 --> 09:02.667\n公視是不是已經有找到原創IP來投入這個製作全新的兒少動畫影集了那同時因為8月嘛剛剛說8月20喔這個頻道要開播那所以在8月20之前我們的成果是什麼\n\n09:04.984 --> 09:24.282\n我們偵案的部分在原創IP的動畫部分已經委託出去了這個可以跟委員報告第二個就是剛才我只是解釋一下我說收視率沒有但我們有其他的KPI並不是沒有其他的KPI所以這點也跟委員說明那您如果要知道那個動畫的部分我可以請我們同仁說明一下那個原創IP\n\n09:27.544 --> 09:51.195\n開台的時候是勇者動畫系列第二季會在開台時候播出。什麼時候?8月20。8月20?所以8月20您所說的這個勇者動畫系列就會如期播出?對,那是我們現在已經在做的。你確定嗎?你要很確定喔!在這裡可是不能亂打的喔!如果你說8月20就能播出,8月20那時候如果我們沒有看到的話,誰來負責?在這裡打詢可是不能亂講的喔!\n\n10:00.458 --> 10:00.879\n除了這個勇者動畫系列再來呢?\n\n10:18.513 --> 10:36.958\n我是陳派派。他是年土動畫,就是念念人的動畫,是今年真案進來的。那預計就是在明年的時候的9月的時候可以推出。那他是一個逐格動畫,也是這一次就會有一家競標的部分。\n\n10:37.918 --> 10:38.038\n蘇珍妮娜議員\n\n11:08.098 --> 11:09.218\n最後想一點點時間一個問題我想這個地震到現在為止我們看到在這個\n\n11:33.943 --> 11:34.444\n目前全國文資災損的情形如何?\n\n11:52.395 --> 12:15.228\n我們大概全國現在我記得整體來說我們大概整理了200多處大大小小的然後整體的需要經費有3億多那這3億多我們也計畫從中央的災損的基金還有就是我們你說所有多少處的文資災損我可以拿一下我桌上的資料嗎你說有200多處的文資災損各式各樣的各式各樣的200多處的文資災損我們有一個清點數據文資局\n\n12:18.650 --> 12:20.432\n兩百多處跟委員說明,因為今天的專題報告是兒少,所以文資局沒有在場。\n\n12:33.507 --> 12:35.267\n市長,你說的是69處全部完成現刊了?\n\n12:35.267 --> 12:35.887\n是的現在這是你的說法嗎?\n\n12:35.887 --> 12:39.168\n是你要對委員會負責任喔69處的文化資產的這個篩選,完成現刊了是這樣嗎?現在是在專業服務團隊完成現刊,第一時間現刊,對完成了嗎?\n\n13:03.069 --> 13:03.630\n目前我的資料是由各地\n\n13:15.666 --> 13:15.986\n好,這個還是要掌握一下\n\n13:44.684 --> 13:44.704\n好謝謝謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.902,"end":6.563,"text":"王次長和胡董事長"},{"start":18.664,"end":42.216,"text":"好,兩位早我想首先先就教一下去年5月26號我們立法院三度通過了公視法的修正案那將其中第一條的條文公視定位為彌補商業電視不足修法之後刪除了這個所謂的小而美的一個角色同時我們也讓公視可以掙脫每一年政府可以捐贈9億上限這個你們所謂的緊箍咒那這個距離這個修法"},{"start":46.638,"end":48.339,"text":"謝謝委員在修法之後的確在文化部6億元的捐贈經費的增加之下"},{"start":67.185,"end":67.685,"text":"所以會不斷進步?"},{"start":89.924,"end":94.267,"text":"我們來看公視4月8日公布今年第一季的收視率結果平均只有0.09頻道排名第29名收視的平均跟排名都比去年還要再下滑了整個頻道的排名更是5年來的最差"},{"start":117.804,"end":134.111,"text":"我們再來看這個晚間時段的收視率更只有0.19也是繼2008年以來的新低所以胡董事長我想請教一下為什麼我們立法院修法讓公視有更多的制播的量呢有給你更多的揮灑的空間那文化部的補助也從去年的9億暴增到了一個30億結果呢"},{"start":139.153,"end":164.16,"text":"您剛才也說了我們給予這麼多的調整結果你交出來是這種成績單你認為這樣的表現你有覺得有及格嗎?在你預料之中嗎?跟委員報告一下所謂捐贈經費的增加是有一部分是原來補助項目調整為捐贈董事長本席的問題是這樣的一個成績你滿意嗎?"},{"start":165.727,"end":187.058,"text":"當然還是有強化的空間只是有強化的空間所以你覺得還可以是這樣嗎那個董事長我想我們來看一下這個成績這樣成績覺得還可以這你可以接受補助這麼多的經費然後這個法令上給予很多的鬆綁希望他有好的表現結果排名是五年來最差收視率一直往下降怎麼會這樣呢"},{"start":188.459,"end":193.125,"text":"委員在整個面臨頻道收視習慣改變的情況現在整個都往數位頻道的方向去發展所以這也是公視的努力我們也希望公視再透過這一次的修法跟運算的變更把它整個定位調向更往產製的中心更往內容的中心產製我們等一下來談"},{"start":207.922,"end":208.483,"text":"胡董事長麻煩一下胡董事長"},{"start":231.517,"end":249.324,"text":"雖然我們從去年開始全面加速數位轉型希望提供在其他平台的服務不過我還是覺得原來的頻道它的確對於像比如說年紀比較長的壯世代的這些觀眾來講是非常重要所以這塊我們還是會努力"},{"start":251.115,"end":256.598,"text":"我想 會後你應該要擬定一個計畫出來因為本席剛剛聽到的是你點出過去既有的問題點那你只有既有的問題點然後你沒有一個辦法沒有一個計畫問題永遠就在那裡所以我認為給本席給一個建議真的要擬出你現在問題點出來的計畫是什麼"},{"start":270.504,"end":284.068,"text":"你預計怎麼改嗎?循序經理怎麼做嗎?我們沒有要求你今天是29名然後歷年來收視最低馬上要竄升到第一這不可能的事情嘛那你要調整要有計畫出來所以呢我希望啦針對這些問題點這些計畫你要開始做啦那再來呢剛剛提到了公視預計8月20號要把公視的第3台轉型成公視兒少頻道那這一點胡董事長我們公視準備好了嗎?"},{"start":296.102,"end":324.822,"text":"我們現在存在於衝刺當中準備好了嗎?我們希望我們應該是有信心的有信心但是準備工作做了嗎?我們按時間表在操課所以是有信心可以完成是這樣嗎?對好很好因為只有信心沒有計畫缺乏執行力那是不行的好嗎?所以呢我想既然我們有信心也有目標了那是不是你要為這個公視的兒少頻道定一個平均收視的目標這是最清楚的"},{"start":326.168,"end":350.674,"text":"跟委員說明一下因為今年8月才要開始所以我們覺得今年的經驗所以要請你訂目標啊意思就是說我們今年的經驗可以作為我們訂目標來年訂目標的一個重要的參考今年的目標我們在如果您談的是收視率的話我們還涉及到頻道的位置還有其他相關的資源的準備所以這個部分我們真的要跟委員"},{"start":351.414,"end":376.406,"text":"我們拿文化部這個頻道拿文化部高達6億的預算但是呢當然您說就是依據今年我們這個開播之後來調整明年的這個收視目標我可以接受那叫調整但你不可能一個新台也拿了這個文化部的補助然後我沒有目標我說我今年來做做看說完以後明年我們再來設定目標這是不能接受的啦好不好我想我們再把整個"},{"start":377.446,"end":395.39,"text":"整體的目標跟包括流量整個的目標提供給委員很好 次長這樣做就是對的了我們錢補助出去了當然要有目標嘛所以董事長想說我們今年先來做做看然後等那個明年我們再來看看依據今年的狀況調整一個目標怎麼可能啦這不是我把六億丟到水裡去的概念嗎給你試試看來做一個遊戲玩一玩嗎不是這樣子的"},{"start":398.471,"end":413.784,"text":"這目標一定要定出來,所以次長講這個我可以接受那我想這個次長跟董事長這個文化部的專報我們看在第二頁有指出來在節目製作方面公視在112年這個兒少新制兒少新制的節目的時數326個小時113年要提升到362個小時也就是說"},{"start":419.669,"end":422.712,"text":"關於6億元的金費,我們新制的時數只有提升10個百分點,那就是增加36個小時。我覺得這個時數是合理嗎?"},{"start":437.662,"end":455.094,"text":"這個時數合理嗎?為什麼這麼少而要花這麼多的經費?委員不好意思,剛有解釋過因為它的計算基礎其實在之前不應該是362362是指純自治它事實上是639小時所以提升是超過百分之百所以它的數字的計算基礎應該是前後計算有誤所以這個更新的資料我們再提供給委員"},{"start":456.554,"end":475.908,"text":"麻煩以後要有正確的數字好嗎?是,主要是對,應該是把所有的新制的時數都算上但是他提供的362指的是其實本席感覺這一個新制的節目當然我們對他賦予很高的期待也給他很多的支持可是我看起來目前為止有一點手忙腳亂荒牆走板要目標沒有目標然後這個我們要計算一些數字還會有錯誤那看起來我覺得還沒有完全準備好"},{"start":484.394,"end":501.869,"text":"⋯⋯⋯"},{"start":502.229,"end":519.513,"text":"再來我想請教一下專報第10頁我們提到在公視兒少頻道推動的策略中我們要去匯集臺灣原創動畫的能量然後鼓勵原創的IP來投入這個這個兒少動畫的一個影集的製作那我們希望能夠開發這國內帶狀動畫的影集然後藉由支持國內動畫製作的一個技術整合那可以達到打造臺灣原創IP動畫的一個影像我覺得非常的好但是胡董先生一樣本期要請教你目前"},{"start":531.195,"end":542.667,"text":"公視是不是已經有找到原創IP來投入這個製作全新的兒少動畫影集了那同時因為8月嘛剛剛說8月20喔這個頻道要開播那所以在8月20之前我們的成果是什麼"},{"start":544.984,"end":564.282,"text":"我們偵案的部分在原創IP的動畫部分已經委託出去了這個可以跟委員報告第二個就是剛才我只是解釋一下我說收視率沒有但我們有其他的KPI並不是沒有其他的KPI所以這點也跟委員說明那您如果要知道那個動畫的部分我可以請我們同仁說明一下那個原創IP"},{"start":567.544,"end":591.195,"text":"開台的時候是勇者動畫系列第二季會在開台時候播出。什麼時候?8月20。8月20?所以8月20您所說的這個勇者動畫系列就會如期播出?對,那是我們現在已經在做的。你確定嗎?你要很確定喔!在這裡可是不能亂打的喔!如果你說8月20就能播出,8月20那時候如果我們沒有看到的話,誰來負責?在這裡打詢可是不能亂講的喔!"},{"start":600.458,"end":600.879,"text":"除了這個勇者動畫系列再來呢?"},{"start":618.513,"end":636.958,"text":"我是陳派派。他是年土動畫,就是念念人的動畫,是今年真案進來的。那預計就是在明年的時候的9月的時候可以推出。那他是一個逐格動畫,也是這一次就會有一家競標的部分。"},{"start":637.918,"end":638.038,"text":"蘇珍妮娜議員"},{"start":668.098,"end":669.218,"text":"最後想一點點時間一個問題我想這個地震到現在為止我們看到在這個"},{"start":693.943,"end":694.444,"text":"目前全國文資災損的情形如何?"},{"start":712.395,"end":735.228,"text":"我們大概全國現在我記得整體來說我們大概整理了200多處大大小小的然後整體的需要經費有3億多那這3億多我們也計畫從中央的災損的基金還有就是我們你說所有多少處的文資災損我可以拿一下我桌上的資料嗎你說有200多處的文資災損各式各樣的各式各樣的200多處的文資災損我們有一個清點數據文資局"},{"start":738.65,"end":740.432,"text":"兩百多處跟委員說明,因為今天的專題報告是兒少,所以文資局沒有在場。"},{"start":753.507,"end":755.267,"text":"市長,你說的是69處全部完成現刊了?"},{"start":755.267,"end":755.887,"text":"是的現在這是你的說法嗎?"},{"start":755.887,"end":759.168,"text":"是你要對委員會負責任喔69處的文化資產的這個篩選,完成現刊了是這樣嗎?現在是在專業服務團隊完成現刊,第一時間現刊,對完成了嗎?"},{"start":783.069,"end":783.63,"text":"目前我的資料是由各地"},{"start":795.666,"end":795.986,"text":"好,這個還是要掌握一下"},{"start":824.684,"end":824.704,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝"}]}}}}