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00:00:48,976\n表示他們其實是有線民在通報啦但第4次有發現有6位失聯的逃逸的移工那這個移工的管理我想除了移民署有責任勞動部也有責任所以像這樣子的狀況你們有想要再去追查源頭嗎因為這個承包公司他一定有\n\n3\n00:00:50,037 --> 00:01:06,102\n報告委,我們一定會追查,這些那個查獲的非法移工,我們也都會了解他們,他們的到底是誰介紹的,怎麼來的,對,一定會追的,這一定要追。但是還沒開始。\n\n4\n00:01:12,185 --> 00:01:34,976\n但是勞動力發展署的工作到底哪些企業有僱用非法移工還有你們網上追查像這些公務機關的標案都是很公開的啊所以對你們而言去追查同一家這個承包商他是不是還有其他的工程這應該是很容易的吧\n\n5\n00:01:37,043 --> 00:02:00,425\n對這個應該是可以對那個跟委員報告我們現在其實在整個查緝其實我們跟移民署大概第一個就是一定會溯源針對他背後的非法僱用的對象跟媒介者這一定會查第二個就是說對於這個工程他當初的這個包商其實我們也會瞭解他的一個合法併顧的狀況那也會大概做一些相關的清查的工作\n\n6\n00:02:01,513 --> 00:02:29,475\n好因為這也是很危害我們國安的問題嘛好下一個我們來看一下這個失聯移工啊現在還有涉入詐騙的問題居然他在離境前他每一本這個帳戶可以標到40萬啊所以部長你會知道說這幾年我們失聯移工或者是移工涉刑案的人數有多少然後哪一類的犯罪在成長嗎\n\n7\n00:02:31,235 --> 00:02:54,980\n報告委員其實整體這移工不管是合法或失聯的他其實他的犯罪率還是比我們國人低是但是他在攀升您知道嗎這個大概他攀升大部分都是酒駕最多這個部分我們會加強宣導就是請移工要珍惜工作今天這種一旦殺\n\n8\n00:02:57,801 --> 00:03:13,930\n好,這邊我幫你找出來了因為詐騙隨著科技的發達全世界都是不斷的攀升嘛所以我們查到的這個外籍人頭賬戶的人數就不斷在成長那我們看一下右邊這個表比較清楚\n\n9\n00:03:14,750 --> 00:03:30,247\n移工社刑事案件的件數我們把最大規模的找出來最大規模就是剛部長提到的公共危險罪再來就是詐欺罪也就是詐騙相關的他們有的時候是加害人有時候是被害人\n\n10\n00:03:30,768 --> 00:03:50,841\n但光是從110年到112年他是三倍的成長所以最近當然大家都一直在探討移工問題我們也許缺工所以我們必須要引進可是像這樣子不管是失聯、逃逸或者是刑事案件增加或是介入新的犯罪級\n\n11\n00:03:51,601 --> 00:03:51,781\n議會主席\n\n12\n00:04:20,289 --> 00:04:37,351\n離境的或者失聯的我們會提供賬戶的這些資料給這個金管會讓他們來最近有討論有有有有金融機構他就會做注意就是說這些賬戶有異常的資金進來就會去注意是不是有\n\n13\n00:04:37,711 --> 00:05:05,026\n但是從移工端你有沒有想到要去宣導?我要做宣導啊,報告員我們會宣導這個部分對,這個上次我們也有討論過他們的在台工作需職嘛是關於他的賬戶啊等等的這裡面只有提到說你一定要透過合法的管道匯錢回到家鄉或是你一定要保管好自己的證件但是對於剛提到的詐騙等等你們這個\n\n14\n00:05:07,011 --> 00:05:07,371\n指本我們會再印製。\n\n15\n00:05:36,516 --> 00:05:51,819\n下一個議題當然是更令人難過啦但是許許多多的像台劇有一個叫八尺門的辯護人他裡面就有一個情節是寫到說這個外籍移工他被僱主塞小費然後撫摸了屁股臀部\n\n16\n00:05:52,660 --> 00:06:07,914\n從性騷擾最後可能演變成性侵害這也是許多媒體他們會報導的他去訪問可能有性侵害的受害人這個移工他就講到說一開始也是一樣跟這個劇情一樣\n\n17\n00:06:09,055 --> 00:06:32,468\n試探性的去播放一些色情的影片．或者是問一下他有沒有結婚．要不要嫁給他．以及口頭的吃豆腐．到最後呢就更嚴重的性侵害、性暴力等等．當然檢察官會問受害者說怎麼前面沒有說．他說前面當然僱主就說你如果敢說出去的話我就會把你送回去．\n\n18\n00:06:33,288 --> 00:06:57,045\n所以我們雖然2023年就通過了新平三法的修法也努力在做性別平權可是連勞動部你們內部發布的統計光是台灣一般接到性騷擾這是你發布的官方數據有九成的人其實是不敢說的只有一成的人他會出來訴苦或是報案\n\n19\n00:06:58,567 --> 00:07:21,677\n移工的生活環境比我們一般人還要隱暗所以像這樣子家事的移工他就是跟他們日夜相處在一起更容易遇到這樣子的問題那當然我們也很不希望這樣子的故事會讓國外對我們有更不好的印象畢竟我們是一個人權立國的國家那這邊我來整理一下\n\n20\n00:07:23,232 --> 00:07:31,759\n十年左右呢這個外籍性侵統計的案件加起來就有將近800件好比較難過的是透過1955來受理的\n\n21\n00:07:37,404 --> 00:07:58,276\n這五年內大概是199可是衛福部的數字是362表示什麼呢外籍移工沒有把你勞動部1955當成有利的靠山馬他會跟你聯絡關於他的性侵害、性騷擾這裏面還沒有統計到性騷擾這裏面只有統計性侵害所以他主動是打給\n\n22\n00:07:59,861 --> 00:08:06,734\n警察或是打給其他的單位但是他沒有覺得跟勞動部講會有用欸\n\n23\n00:08:10,334 --> 00:08:38,053\n其實報委我們其實都透過多元的信訊管道告訴移工說你只要有受到任何不法侵害或騷擾1955就是你的第一時間你馬上可以求救的而且他只要一打進來我們一定會立案查處那其實我們這邊的受理的數據件數的統計包括性騷擾其他的各種不法的遭受不法侵害通通都有\n\n24\n00:08:38,473 --> 00:08:40,275\n為什麼他們是遇到性騷擾或是性騷擾反而是通知勞動部以外的人比較多因為這個數字的落差還蠻大的\n\n25\n00:09:03,275 --> 00:09:21,292\n好,那再來呢我們講到印度移工您簽署的MOU裡面有提到有一個直接解聘計畫也就是直接聘僱計畫這就是您之前跟我一起討論的職聘中心嗎?是可是我們已經講過了不管是\n\n26\n00:09:22,313 --> 00:09:41,392\n我提出來的問題或者是之前法治局也有講你們職聘中心的成效不佳就是包括過流程繁瑣啊宣傳不利啊等等所以真正使用的委託率非常的低並且在近幾年沒有什麼增長好所以上次我們3月6號就已經討論過了但是今天4月25、24\n\n27\n00:09:46,477 --> 00:10:14,256\n我上網看你們的流程在官網上還是一模一樣完全沒有改變請問你具體有想要如何改善這個其實我們都一直在滾動檢討那委員提過因為我有要求要全盤包括我最近我們就會開會開一個擴大的研商會議看怎麼把這個制度\n\n28\n00:10:15,197 --> 00:10:35,715\n而建立的更好用、更簡便因為這個制度要讓大家一律來使用這邊提供您一個建議因為立法院的法治局在最近嘛他有針對職聘中心進行一些研究跟檢討他說勞動部應要優化簡化申請流程還有加強聯繫服務他覺得可以去參考韓國的\n\n29\n00:10:37,436 --> 00:10:55,778\n解聘許可制因為韓國的解聘許可制它整個過程是由政府來資助他們很重視移工嘛所以他們幾乎是幫僱主提供totalsolution全方面的去解決僱主是不需要負擔任何的成本的\n\n30\n00:10:56,799 --> 00:11:18,315\n對不管是時間成本或是金錢成本等等的所以呢他還可以他只要支付移工就業前的訓練費用就可以了所以他們的勞動部他把這個當成當地的產業跟企業的重點服務項目也可以避免移工遭受不當的剝削來強迫勞動等等不當的對待這個是本席提供的參考\n\n31\n00:11:19,776 --> 00:11:19,796\n謝謝部長,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2783\t27716\t主席我想請部長請許部長謝謝各位官員也早安陳院長部長上禮拜有一個蠻嚴重的新聞就是在東營區這個營區發現說海軍陸戰隊有66位非法的逃逸的移工嘛對然後他們已經去了三次移民署去了三次都撲空\n28917\t48976\t表示他們其實是有線民在通報啦但第4次有發現有6位失聯的逃逸的移工那這個移工的管理我想除了移民署有責任勞動部也有責任所以像這樣子的狀況你們有想要再去追查源頭嗎因為這個承包公司他一定有\n50037\t66102\t報告委,我們一定會追查,這些那個查獲的非法移工,我們也都會了解他們,他們的到底是誰介紹的,怎麼來的,對,一定會追的,這一定要追。但是還沒開始。\n72185\t94976\t但是勞動力發展署的工作到底哪些企業有僱用非法移工還有你們網上追查像這些公務機關的標案都是很公開的啊所以對你們而言去追查同一家這個承包商他是不是還有其他的工程這應該是很容易的吧\n97043\t120425\t對 這個應該是可以對 那個跟委員報告我們現在其實在整個查緝其實我們跟移民署大概第一個就是一定會溯源針對他背後的非法僱用的對象跟媒介者這一定會查第二個就是說對於這個工程他當初的這個包商其實我們也會瞭解他的一個合法併顧的狀況那也會大概做一些相關的清查的工作\n121513\t149475\t好因為這也是很危害我們國安的問題嘛好下一個我們來看一下這個失聯移工啊現在還有涉入詐騙的問題居然他在離境前他每一本這個帳戶可以標到40萬啊所以部長你會知道說這幾年我們失聯移工或者是移工涉刑案的人數有多少然後哪一類的犯罪在成長嗎\n151235\t174980\t報告委員其實整體這移工不管是合法或失聯的他其實他的犯罪率還是比我們國人低是但是他在攀升您知道嗎這個大概他攀升大部分都是酒駕最多這個部分我們會加強宣導就是請移工要珍惜工作今天這種一旦殺\n177801\t193930\t好,這邊我幫你找出來了因為詐騙隨著科技的發達全世界都是不斷的攀升嘛所以我們查到的這個外籍人頭賬戶的人數就不斷在成長那我們看一下右邊這個表比較清楚\n194750\t210247\t移工社刑事案件的件數我們把最大規模的找出來最大規模就是剛部長提到的公共危險罪再來就是詐欺罪也就是詐騙相關的他們有的時候是加害人有時候是被害人\n210768\t230841\t但光是從110年到112年他是三倍的成長所以最近當然大家都一直在探討移工問題我們也許缺工所以我們必須要引進可是像這樣子不管是失聯、逃逸或者是刑事案件增加或是介入新的犯罪級\n231601\t231781\t議會主席\n260289\t277351\t離境的或者失聯的我們會提供賬戶的這些資料給這個金管會讓他們來最近有討論有有有有金融機構他就會做注意就是說這些賬戶有異常的資金進來就會去注意是不是有\n277711\t305026\t但是從移工端你有沒有想到要去宣導?我要做宣導啊,報告員我們會宣導這個部分對,這個上次我們也有討論過他們的在台工作需職嘛是關於他的賬戶啊等等的這裡面只有提到說你一定要透過合法的管道匯錢回到家鄉或是你一定要保管好自己的證件但是對於剛提到的詐騙等等你們這個\n307011\t307371\t指本我們會再印製。\n336516\t351819\t下一個議題當然是更令人難過啦但是許許多多的像台劇有一個叫八尺門的辯護人他裡面就有一個情節是寫到說這個外籍移工他被僱主塞小費然後撫摸了屁股臀部\n352660\t367914\t從性騷擾最後可能演變成性侵害這也是許多媒體他們會報導的他去訪問可能有性侵害的受害人這個移工他就講到說一開始也是一樣跟這個劇情一樣\n369055\t392468\t試探性的去播放一些色情的影片．或者是問一下他有沒有結婚．要不要嫁給他．以及口頭的吃豆腐．到最後呢就更嚴重的性侵害、性暴力等等．當然檢察官會問受害者說怎麼前面沒有說．他說前面當然僱主就說你如果敢說出去的話我就會把你送回去．\n393288\t417045\t所以我們雖然2023年就通過了新平三法的修法也努力在做性別平權可是連勞動部你們內部發布的統計光是台灣一般接到性騷擾這是你發布的官方數據有九成的人其實是不敢說的只有一成的人他會出來訴苦或是報案\n418567\t441677\t移工的生活環境比我們一般人還要隱暗所以像這樣子家事的移工他就是跟他們日夜相處在一起更容易遇到這樣子的問題那當然我們也很不希望這樣子的故事會讓國外對我們有更不好的印象畢竟我們是一個人權立國的國家那這邊我來整理一下\n443232\t451759\t十年左右呢 這個外籍性侵統計的案件加起來就有將近800件好 比較難過的是透過1955來受理的\n457404\t478276\t這五年內大概是199可是衛福部的數字是362表示什麼呢外籍移工沒有把你勞動部1955當成有利的靠山馬他會跟你聯絡關於他的性侵害、性騷擾這裏面還沒有統計到性騷擾這裏面只有統計性侵害所以他主動是打給\n479861\t486734\t警察或是打給其他的單位但是他沒有覺得跟勞動部講會有用欸\n490334\t518053\t其實報委我們其實都透過多元的信訊管道告訴移工說你只要有受到任何不法侵害或騷擾1955就是你的第一時間你馬上可以求救的而且他只要一打進來我們一定會立案查處那其實我們這邊的受理的數據件數的統計包括性騷擾其他的各種不法的遭受不法侵害通通都有\n518473\t520275\t為什麼他們是遇到性騷擾或是性騷擾反而是通知勞動部以外的人比較多因為這個數字的落差還蠻大的\n543275\t561292\t好,那再來呢我們講到印度移工您簽署的MOU裡面有提到有一個直接解聘計畫也就是直接聘僱計畫這就是您之前跟我一起討論的職聘中心嗎?是可是我們已經講過了不管是\n562313\t581392\t我提出來的問題或者是之前法治局也有講你們職聘中心的成效不佳就是包括過流程繁瑣啊宣傳不利啊等等所以真正使用的委託率非常的低並且在近幾年沒有什麼增長好所以上次我們3月6號就已經討論過了但是今天4月25、24\n586477\t614256\t我上網看你們的流程在官網上還是一模一樣完全沒有改變請問你具體有想要如何改善這個其實我們都一直在滾動檢討那委員提過因為我有要求要全盤包括我最近我們就會開會開一個擴大的研商會議看怎麼把這個制度\n615197\t635715\t而建立的更好用、更簡便因為這個制度要讓大家一律來使用這邊提供您一個建議因為立法院的法治局在最近嘛他有針對職聘中心進行一些研究跟檢討他說勞動部應要優化簡化申請流程還有加強聯繫服務他覺得可以去參考韓國的\n637436\t655778\t解聘許可制因為韓國的解聘許可制它整個過程是由政府來資助他們很重視移工嘛所以他們幾乎是幫僱主提供total solution全方面的去解決僱主是不需要負擔任何的成本的\n656799\t678315\t對不管是時間成本或是金錢成本等等的所以呢他還可以他只要支付移工就業前的訓練費用就可以了所以他們的勞動部他把這個當成當地的產業跟企業的重點服務項目也可以避免移工遭受不當的剝削來強迫勞動等等不當的對待這個是本席提供的參考\n679776\t679796\t謝謝部長,謝謝。\n","txt":"主席我想請部長請許部長謝謝各位官員也早安陳院長部長上禮拜有一個蠻嚴重的新聞就是在東營區這個營區發現說海軍陸戰隊有66位非法的逃逸的移工嘛對然後他們已經去了三次移民署去了三次都撲空\n表示他們其實是有線民在通報啦但第4次有發現有6位失聯的逃逸的移工那這個移工的管理我想除了移民署有責任勞動部也有責任所以像這樣子的狀況你們有想要再去追查源頭嗎因為這個承包公司他一定有\n報告委,我們一定會追查,這些那個查獲的非法移工,我們也都會了解他們,他們的到底是誰介紹的,怎麼來的,對,一定會追的,這一定要追。但是還沒開始。\n但是勞動力發展署的工作到底哪些企業有僱用非法移工還有你們網上追查像這些公務機關的標案都是很公開的啊所以對你們而言去追查同一家這個承包商他是不是還有其他的工程這應該是很容易的吧\n對 這個應該是可以對 那個跟委員報告我們現在其實在整個查緝其實我們跟移民署大概第一個就是一定會溯源針對他背後的非法僱用的對象跟媒介者這一定會查第二個就是說對於這個工程他當初的這個包商其實我們也會瞭解他的一個合法併顧的狀況那也會大概做一些相關的清查的工作\n好因為這也是很危害我們國安的問題嘛好下一個我們來看一下這個失聯移工啊現在還有涉入詐騙的問題居然他在離境前他每一本這個帳戶可以標到40萬啊所以部長你會知道說這幾年我們失聯移工或者是移工涉刑案的人數有多少然後哪一類的犯罪在成長嗎\n報告委員其實整體這移工不管是合法或失聯的他其實他的犯罪率還是比我們國人低是但是他在攀升您知道嗎這個大概他攀升大部分都是酒駕最多這個部分我們會加強宣導就是請移工要珍惜工作今天這種一旦殺\n好,這邊我幫你找出來了因為詐騙隨著科技的發達全世界都是不斷的攀升嘛所以我們查到的這個外籍人頭賬戶的人數就不斷在成長那我們看一下右邊這個表比較清楚\n移工社刑事案件的件數我們把最大規模的找出來最大規模就是剛部長提到的公共危險罪再來就是詐欺罪也就是詐騙相關的他們有的時候是加害人有時候是被害人\n但光是從110年到112年他是三倍的成長所以最近當然大家都一直在探討移工問題我們也許缺工所以我們必須要引進可是像這樣子不管是失聯、逃逸或者是刑事案件增加或是介入新的犯罪級\n議會主席\n離境的或者失聯的我們會提供賬戶的這些資料給這個金管會讓他們來最近有討論有有有有金融機構他就會做注意就是說這些賬戶有異常的資金進來就會去注意是不是有\n但是從移工端你有沒有想到要去宣導?我要做宣導啊,報告員我們會宣導這個部分對,這個上次我們也有討論過他們的在台工作需職嘛是關於他的賬戶啊等等的這裡面只有提到說你一定要透過合法的管道匯錢回到家鄉或是你一定要保管好自己的證件但是對於剛提到的詐騙等等你們這個\n指本我們會再印製。\n下一個議題當然是更令人難過啦但是許許多多的像台劇有一個叫八尺門的辯護人他裡面就有一個情節是寫到說這個外籍移工他被僱主塞小費然後撫摸了屁股臀部\n從性騷擾最後可能演變成性侵害這也是許多媒體他們會報導的他去訪問可能有性侵害的受害人這個移工他就講到說一開始也是一樣跟這個劇情一樣\n試探性的去播放一些色情的影片．或者是問一下他有沒有結婚．要不要嫁給他．以及口頭的吃豆腐．到最後呢就更嚴重的性侵害、性暴力等等．當然檢察官會問受害者說怎麼前面沒有說．他說前面當然僱主就說你如果敢說出去的話我就會把你送回去．\n所以我們雖然2023年就通過了新平三法的修法也努力在做性別平權可是連勞動部你們內部發布的統計光是台灣一般接到性騷擾這是你發布的官方數據有九成的人其實是不敢說的只有一成的人他會出來訴苦或是報案\n移工的生活環境比我們一般人還要隱暗所以像這樣子家事的移工他就是跟他們日夜相處在一起更容易遇到這樣子的問題那當然我們也很不希望這樣子的故事會讓國外對我們有更不好的印象畢竟我們是一個人權立國的國家那這邊我來整理一下\n十年左右呢 這個外籍性侵統計的案件加起來就有將近800件好 比較難過的是透過1955來受理的\n這五年內大概是199可是衛福部的數字是362表示什麼呢外籍移工沒有把你勞動部1955當成有利的靠山馬他會跟你聯絡關於他的性侵害、性騷擾這裏面還沒有統計到性騷擾這裏面只有統計性侵害所以他主動是打給\n警察或是打給其他的單位但是他沒有覺得跟勞動部講會有用欸\n其實報委我們其實都透過多元的信訊管道告訴移工說你只要有受到任何不法侵害或騷擾1955就是你的第一時間你馬上可以求救的而且他只要一打進來我們一定會立案查處那其實我們這邊的受理的數據件數的統計包括性騷擾其他的各種不法的遭受不法侵害通通都有\n為什麼他們是遇到性騷擾或是性騷擾反而是通知勞動部以外的人比較多因為這個數字的落差還蠻大的\n好,那再來呢我們講到印度移工您簽署的MOU裡面有提到有一個直接解聘計畫也就是直接聘僱計畫這就是您之前跟我一起討論的職聘中心嗎?是可是我們已經講過了不管是\n我提出來的問題或者是之前法治局也有講你們職聘中心的成效不佳就是包括過流程繁瑣啊宣傳不利啊等等所以真正使用的委託率非常的低並且在近幾年沒有什麼增長好所以上次我們3月6號就已經討論過了但是今天4月25、24\n我上網看你們的流程在官網上還是一模一樣完全沒有改變請問你具體有想要如何改善這個其實我們都一直在滾動檢討那委員提過因為我有要求要全盤包括我最近我們就會開會開一個擴大的研商會議看怎麼把這個制度\n而建立的更好用、更簡便因為這個制度要讓大家一律來使用這邊提供您一個建議因為立法院的法治局在最近嘛他有針對職聘中心進行一些研究跟檢討他說勞動部應要優化簡化申請流程還有加強聯繫服務他覺得可以去參考韓國的\n解聘許可制因為韓國的解聘許可制它整個過程是由政府來資助他們很重視移工嘛所以他們幾乎是幫僱主提供total solution全方面的去解決僱主是不需要負擔任何的成本的\n對不管是時間成本或是金錢成本等等的所以呢他還可以他只要支付移工就業前的訓練費用就可以了所以他們的勞動部他把這個當成當地的產業跟企業的重點服務項目也可以避免移工遭受不當的剝削來強迫勞動等等不當的對待這個是本席提供的參考\n謝謝部長,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.783 --> 00:27.716\n主席我想請部長請許部長謝謝各位官員也早安陳院長部長上禮拜有一個蠻嚴重的新聞就是在東營區這個營區發現說海軍陸戰隊有66位非法的逃逸的移工嘛對然後他們已經去了三次移民署去了三次都撲空\n\n00:28.917 --> 00:48.976\n表示他們其實是有線民在通報啦但第4次有發現有6位失聯的逃逸的移工那這個移工的管理我想除了移民署有責任勞動部也有責任所以像這樣子的狀況你們有想要再去追查源頭嗎因為這個承包公司他一定有\n\n00:50.037 --> 01:06.102\n報告委,我們一定會追查,這些那個查獲的非法移工,我們也都會了解他們,他們的到底是誰介紹的,怎麼來的,對,一定會追的,這一定要追。但是還沒開始。\n\n01:12.185 --> 01:34.976\n但是勞動力發展署的工作到底哪些企業有僱用非法移工還有你們網上追查像這些公務機關的標案都是很公開的啊所以對你們而言去追查同一家這個承包商他是不是還有其他的工程這應該是很容易的吧\n\n01:37.043 --> 02:00.425\n對這個應該是可以對那個跟委員報告我們現在其實在整個查緝其實我們跟移民署大概第一個就是一定會溯源針對他背後的非法僱用的對象跟媒介者這一定會查第二個就是說對於這個工程他當初的這個包商其實我們也會瞭解他的一個合法併顧的狀況那也會大概做一些相關的清查的工作\n\n02:01.513 --> 02:29.475\n好因為這也是很危害我們國安的問題嘛好下一個我們來看一下這個失聯移工啊現在還有涉入詐騙的問題居然他在離境前他每一本這個帳戶可以標到40萬啊所以部長你會知道說這幾年我們失聯移工或者是移工涉刑案的人數有多少然後哪一類的犯罪在成長嗎\n\n02:31.235 --> 02:54.980\n報告委員其實整體這移工不管是合法或失聯的他其實他的犯罪率還是比我們國人低是但是他在攀升您知道嗎這個大概他攀升大部分都是酒駕最多這個部分我們會加強宣導就是請移工要珍惜工作今天這種一旦殺\n\n02:57.801 --> 03:13.930\n好,這邊我幫你找出來了因為詐騙隨著科技的發達全世界都是不斷的攀升嘛所以我們查到的這個外籍人頭賬戶的人數就不斷在成長那我們看一下右邊這個表比較清楚\n\n03:14.750 --> 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比較難過的是透過1955來受理的"},{"start":457.404,"end":478.276,"text":"這五年內大概是199可是衛福部的數字是362表示什麼呢外籍移工沒有把你勞動部1955當成有利的靠山馬他會跟你聯絡關於他的性侵害、性騷擾這裏面還沒有統計到性騷擾這裏面只有統計性侵害所以他主動是打給"},{"start":479.861,"end":486.734,"text":"警察或是打給其他的單位但是他沒有覺得跟勞動部講會有用欸"},{"start":490.334,"end":518.053,"text":"其實報委我們其實都透過多元的信訊管道告訴移工說你只要有受到任何不法侵害或騷擾1955就是你的第一時間你馬上可以求救的而且他只要一打進來我們一定會立案查處那其實我們這邊的受理的數據件數的統計包括性騷擾其他的各種不法的遭受不法侵害通通都有"},{"start":518.473,"end":520.275,"text":"為什麼他們是遇到性騷擾或是性騷擾反而是通知勞動部以外的人比較多因為這個數字的落差還蠻大的"},{"start":543.275,"end":561.292,"text":"好,那再來呢我們講到印度移工您簽署的MOU裡面有提到有一個直接解聘計畫也就是直接聘僱計畫這就是您之前跟我一起討論的職聘中心嗎?是可是我們已經講過了不管是"},{"start":562.313,"end":581.392,"text":"我提出來的問題或者是之前法治局也有講你們職聘中心的成效不佳就是包括過流程繁瑣啊宣傳不利啊等等所以真正使用的委託率非常的低並且在近幾年沒有什麼增長好所以上次我們3月6號就已經討論過了但是今天4月25、24"},{"start":586.477,"end":614.256,"text":"我上網看你們的流程在官網上還是一模一樣完全沒有改變請問你具體有想要如何改善這個其實我們都一直在滾動檢討那委員提過因為我有要求要全盤包括我最近我們就會開會開一個擴大的研商會議看怎麼把這個制度"},{"start":615.197,"end":635.715,"text":"而建立的更好用、更簡便因為這個制度要讓大家一律來使用這邊提供您一個建議因為立法院的法治局在最近嘛他有針對職聘中心進行一些研究跟檢討他說勞動部應要優化簡化申請流程還有加強聯繫服務他覺得可以去參考韓國的"},{"start":637.436,"end":655.778,"text":"解聘許可制因為韓國的解聘許可制它整個過程是由政府來資助他們很重視移工嘛所以他們幾乎是幫僱主提供total solution全方面的去解決僱主是不需要負擔任何的成本的"},{"start":656.799,"end":678.315,"text":"對不管是時間成本或是金錢成本等等的所以呢他還可以他只要支付移工就業前的訓練費用就可以了所以他們的勞動部他把這個當成當地的產業跟企業的重點服務項目也可以避免移工遭受不當的剝削來強迫勞動等等不當的對待這個是本席提供的參考"},{"start":679.776,"end":679.796,"text":"謝謝部長,謝謝。"}]}}}}