{"id":151727,"url":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/151727","video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/37a05b44d500ce159d61234fa8242ef0e44e652c0c420c23c68e374cd8c4bed020bd5877b075db005ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"陳俊宇","委員發言時間":"09:47:45 - 09:59:30","影片長度":"00:11:45","會議時間":"2024-04-25T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續審查\n（一）民進黨黨團擬具「立法院組織法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（二）委員高金素梅等23人擬具「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案」案。\n（三）委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「立法院組織法第三條、第五條及第三十二條條文修正草案」案。\n（四）委員高金素梅等17人擬具「立法院組織法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。\n二、繼續審查\n（一）民進黨黨團擬具「立法委員行為法第七條之一及第三十條條文修正草案」案。\n（二）委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「立法委員行為法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（三）委員范雲等18人擬具「立法委員行為法第七條條文修正草案」案。\n三、繼續審查\n（一）民進黨黨團擬具「立法院議事規則第四十七條、第四十八條及第五十二條條文修正草案」案。\n（二）委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「立法院議事規則第九條、第二十二條及第五十條條文修正草案」案。\n四、\n（一）繼續審查民進黨黨團擬具「立法院職權行使法部分條文修正草案」案。\n（二）繼續審查委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「立法院職權行使法第十五條之一條文修正草案」案。\n（三）繼續審查委員呂玉玲等16人擬具「立法院職權行使法增訂第二十八條之三及第二十八條之四條文草案」案。\n（四）繼續審查委員鄭天財Sra 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minute speech，所以這個3分鐘是借那個制度衍生過來，我個人並沒有說一定不能廢啦！不過我跟委員報告，這個有它的一些機能在。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。另外還有一個就是關於臨時提案的處理時間，現行的立法院議事規則第九條規定，在下午的5點到6點處理。針對這個部分，我們希望能不能改到下午的1點到2點來處理，方便會議主席召開黨團協商會議的時候也能夠有充分討論的時間，針對這個部分，我想請教秘書長的看法？"],["周秘書長萬來：我尊重，這部分我沒有特別說一定不行啦，因為現在剛開始沒有法案進來，其實一般來講法案進來的話，可能到5點都還在進行法案的處理，我問了議事處的同仁，這兩屆很多委員提出希望這個時間，那我不反對。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，謝謝秘書長，也希望相關的修法能夠更加完善、一起來精進，讓我們整個國會改革能夠更加順利，以上。"],["周秘書長萬來：謝謝指導。"],["主席：謝謝陳委員、謝謝周秘書長。","接下來有請莊委員瑞雄發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":160,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-36-17","speakers":["鍾佳濱","范雲","羅智強","陳俊宇","沈伯洋","沈發惠","莊瑞雄","黃國昌","林思銘","吳思瑤","柯建銘","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:13,642\n那不過我們立法委員在完善職權的同時也應該要有足夠的自律規範才能夠避免這種不當的行為產生首先想要就這個性平的議題與秘書長來做一個討論我想不管在任何的環境都會發生性平的事件的可能但立法委員作為我們\n\n4\n00:01:15,043 --> 00:01:27,139\n國家最高的民意代表自然要用最高的標準來防範性騷擾或性別歧視的言語對於性騷擾零容忍我們也應該要不分黨派大家要有共識\n\n5\n00:01:28,413 --> 00:01:48,007\n那我想就叫我們秘書長是不是因為立法委員不屬於立法院的員工所以現行的立法院工作場所性騷擾防治及申訴處理要點以及立法院性騷擾防治申訴及調查處理要點都沒辦法約束到涉及性騷擾的立法委員\n\n6\n00:01:51,867 --> 00:02:14,393\n我先跟陳委員報告一下因為我們在上上禮拜剛剛開開過那個性評會的一個會議啦那換人也在吧就為了這個委員之間啦也要由我們院裡面再把他強化再做一個修正因為委員間的事有沒有大概有法治局是不是哪邊\n\n7\n00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,643\n法制局提供的資料來看美國、法國還有我們英國的這個國會都有訂定相關的規範或決議那其他國家雖然沒有明文的規定但也會以\n\n8\n00:02:42,661 --> 00:03:06,988\n由損國會尊嚴來處理。」如果民進黨團的我們所提出還有范雲委員所認定的這種立法委員行為法所提出的修正草案能夠通過我想請教祕書長您這個針對立法院能不能借盡外國的這種國會案例來辦理您會如何來建議我們紀律委員會朝這個方向來處理\n\n9\n00:03:08,035 --> 00:03:33,525\n我們大概一般來講如果委員的提案通過的話我們會當然依照法裡面來處理當然就因為紀律委員會也是由委員各委員會召集委員組成的啦所以如果有法規的話我們一定照這樣的就依法處理就對了行政一定是配合的處理依照紀律委員會的規範來處理有一定會按照法規定叫紀律委員會議處紀律委員會他會開會照這個規範來做好\n\n10\n00:03:36,906 --> 00:04:03,002\n好那在這裡我也要提醒我們秘書長我們在這個網站上有一個性騷擾防治專區有提供相關的資訊參考那應該有一段時間都沒有去更新了包括我們性平三法在去年這個7月已經有通過新的版本可是在網站上所公告的這個性騷擾申訴案件的SOP目前還是連結到舊的版本的條文\n\n11\n00:04:03,682 --> 00:04:24,484\n所以這個應該請我們相關單位是不是會後去注意一下?公務委員報告我們現在都在修那我們修好之後因為依據信憑三法的修正我們也在修院裡面剛剛委員提到的兩個法那目前都已經在修正中也會法治局表示意見那修好之後我們都會做更新還有公務委員報告\n\n12\n00:04:25,525 --> 00:04:45,535\n另外對於性平委員會我們立法院性別平等委員會設置要點第三點裡面所示我們本委員會設置13人我們的院長跟副院長是當然的主任委員跟副主任委員秘書長您也是委員的成員\n\n13\n00:04:47,796 --> 00:05:14,423\n案。另外是我們依黨團的席次去分配這個席次。那這個任期是兩年可是這一屆第四屆的這個委員任期是從2022年的7月1號到今年2024年的6月30號那雖然任期還剩幾個月可是是橫跨兩屆國會的任期其中也有幾位的這個委員已經沒有在立法院這個\n\n14\n00:05:16,723 --> 00:05:28,313\n連任已經卸任了包括我們的游院長也都卸任了那我想請問秘書長就是說是不是應該將我們性品委員會的任期來做一個重新的調整以配合每一屆的國會組成\n\n15\n00:05:30,242 --> 00:05:57,155\n根據就是依照這一次2月1號的新的屆期那沒有連任的會離開的委員我們都已經請黨團提供新的委員名單所以我們也跟變更了新的名單所以院長也改人副院長也改人那國民黨跟民眾黨的委員都我們都已經改變了那也通知各個委員所以已經重組好了對對對都重組好了那就是已經在上上禮拜開會了嗎對對都是新的委員\n\n16\n00:05:58,736 --> 00:06:05,983\n好,那我們性別平等委員會所負責的這個任務其實是非常的重要啦,不但是要推動我們這個\n\n17\n00:06:08,095 --> 00:06:35,649\n性平的政策、法規還有業務。立法院的幕僚單位也負責對性別這個議題進行研究和分析。本席還是希望說我們性平會不只是制度上的持續精進在工作上也能持續的深化同時納入更多元的聲音並將這個性平的意識落實在立法院的每一個人、每一個地方將國會營造成一個沒有性騷擾或性別歧視的友善職場\n\n18\n00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:46,622\n我相信這應該要請秘書長要去落實我們這個方面。謝謝,因為他執行秘書是由我們副秘書長來兼任的。我們會幕僚方面會員認識處理。\n\n19\n00:06:50,609 --> 00:07:18,546\n好再來我想針對這個國事論壇的部分我想有關國事論壇的存廢問題也不是一個新的議題了那本席是我們本屆次的新科立委在對於國事論壇的必要性感到非常的懷疑至二月就任以來也從未在國事論壇上去登記發言過那每個委員站在台上獨自講了三分鐘有時候發言\n\n20\n00:07:19,326 --> 00:07:21,067\n條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案案\n\n21\n00:07:38,444 --> 00:07:53,543\n立法院提供的書面報告書裏面有寫到關於國事論壇的制度當初有其設立的緣由並因具有臨時性、機動性還有新聞性的特點提供委員問政的場域而當初\n\n22\n00:07:54,790 --> 00:08:11,833\n我們設置國事論壇原本是要提供給委員更多發言的機會讓委員能夠有這個叫自由的發表政策反映民情或是對於時事進行評論但是現在早已是這個電子化和網路媒體的時代\n\n23\n00:08:12,654 --> 00:08:14,535\n議員賴瑞隆等一）立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案。\n\n24\n00:08:34,149 --> 00:08:58,939\n我因為從第二屆開始的國事論壇當時的有他的背景,背景我的在當時的情況是因為伊斯路花園市場委員就藉伊斯路花園來來做偏主題的花園所以有一位委員就在也是在遇上委員審查的時候提出來才有這個基礎設計的不過這一個\n\n25\n00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:26,185\n這一個國事論壇長期也有蠻多的委員跟外界希望把它廢止,我也聽得到但是其實我個人認為國事論壇是一個是一個失風道另外一個就是就是還要存在就對了我個人不認為說這個國事論壇就是一定是不好的一個機制當然他還有其他配偶的比如舉個例來講九點開會\n\n26\n00:09:28,766 --> 00:09:49,809\n那如果有國事論壇的這個時間或許是有些委員他會讓這個法定人數可能在10點的話可能就立即就可以開會啦這個是大概有一些其他衍生的一些制度的一個配合啦我是個人不認為說一定國事論壇就不好啦\n\n27\n00:09:50,309 --> 00:10:07,649\n這是等於一個另外的可以把政見反映各方面的,雖然現在外界的可能很多委員都直播啦。剛剛秘書長我講的是說因為在上面講的三分鐘並沒有答詢的那個結果嘛,只有講而已,沒有回答。\n\n28\n00:10:08,770 --> 00:10:22,286\n我看的辦法就像臨時提案一樣他有一個輸紅道啦他可以把反映的他各選區或是什麼的一個民意的一個對這個反映所以美國制度是一分鐘演說吧\n\n29\n00:10:23,647 --> 00:10:48,501\n所以這個三分鐘是藉那個制度的衍生過來因為我個人並沒有說一定說不能會不過我是跟報告說這個有他的一些機能在另外還有一個就是有關臨時提案的處理時間現行的這個立法院議事規則第九條規定是在下午的五點到六點處理\n\n30\n00:10:51,073 --> 00:11:01,223\n針對這個部分我們希望說能不能改到在下午的一點到兩點來處理方便這個會議主席召開黨團協商會議的時候也能夠有充分討論的時間那針對這個部分\n\n31\n00:11:04,315 --> 00:11:30,468\n我想請教秘書長您的看法我尊重我沒有特別說一定不行所以因為其實會議如果在因為現在剛開始沒有法案進來其實一般來講法案進來的話都可能到五點多還在進行法案的處理但我因為我問了醫事所同仁他們大概這兩屆很多委員提出希望這個時間那我不反對\n\n32\n00:11:33,490 --> 00:11:33,510\n案。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t22814\t委員俊宇發言。好,謝謝主席。我們請周秘書長。請周秘書長。\n27814\t52251\t民進黨早我們今天要審查的是有關我們立法院的組織法還有立法委員的行為法立法院議事規則以及立法院職權行使法等相關的條文那前幾週我們討論這個國會改革的時候大多是要完備我們立法委員的職權行使也希望能夠有效來監督政府回應民意\n53112\t73642\t那不過我們立法委員在完善職權的同時也應該要有足夠的自律規範才能夠避免這種不當的行為產生首先想要就這個性平的議題與秘書長來做一個討論我想不管在任何的環境都會發生性平的事件的可能但立法委員作為我們\n75043\t87139\t國家最高的民意代表自然要用最高的標準來防範性騷擾或性別歧視的言語對於性騷擾零容忍我們也應該要不分黨派大家要有共識\n88413\t108007\t那我想就叫我們秘書長是不是因為立法委員不屬於立法院的員工所以現行的立法院工作場所性騷擾防治及申訴處理要點以及立法院性騷擾防治申訴及調查處理要點都沒辦法約束到涉及性騷擾的立法委員\n111867\t134393\t我先跟陳委員報告一下因為我們在上上禮拜剛剛開開過那個性評會的一個會議啦那換人也在吧就為了這個委員之間啦也要由我們院裡面再把他強化再做一個修正因為委員間的事有沒有大概有法治局是不是哪邊\n136400\t140643\t法制局提供的資料來看美國、法國還有我們英國的這個國會都有訂定相關的規範或決議那其他國家雖然沒有明文的規定但也會以\n162661\t186988\t由損國會尊嚴來處理。」如果民進黨團的我們所提出還有范雲委員所認定的這種立法委員行為法所提出的修正草案能夠通過我想請教祕書長您這個針對立法院能不能借盡外國的這種國會案例來辦理您會如何來建議我們紀律委員會朝這個方向來處理\n188035\t213525\t我們大概一般來講如果委員的提案通過的話我們會當然依照法裡面來處理當然就因為紀律委員會也是由委員各委員會召集委員組成的啦所以如果有法規的話我們一定照這樣的就依法處理就對了行政一定是配合的處理依照紀律委員會的規範來處理有一定會按照法規定叫紀律委員會議處紀律委員會他會開會照這個規範來做好\n216906\t243002\t好那在這裡我也要提醒我們秘書長我們在這個網站上有一個性騷擾防治專區有提供相關的資訊參考那應該有一段時間都沒有去更新了包括我們性平三法在去年這個7月已經有通過新的版本可是在網站上所公告的這個性騷擾申訴案件的SOP目前還是連結到舊的版本的條文\n243682\t264484\t所以這個應該請我們相關單位是不是會後去注意一下?公務委員報告我們現在都在修那我們修好之後因為依據信憑三法的修正我們也在修院裡面剛剛委員提到的兩個法那目前都已經在修正中也會法治局表示意見那修好之後我們都會做更新還有公務委員報告\n265525\t285535\t另外對於性平委員會我們立法院性別平等委員會設置要點第三點裡面所示我們本委員會設置13人我們的院長跟副院長是當然的主任委員跟副主任委員秘書長您也是委員的成員\n287796\t314423\t案。另外是我們依黨團的席次去分配這個席次。那這個任期是兩年可是這一屆第四屆的這個委員任期是從2022年的7月1號到今年2024年的6月30號那雖然任期還剩幾個月可是是橫跨兩屆國會的任期其中也有幾位的這個委員已經沒有在立法院這個\n316723\t328313\t連任已經卸任了包括我們的游院長也都卸任了那我想請問秘書長就是說是不是應該將我們性品委員會的任期來做一個重新的調整以配合每一屆的國會組成\n330242\t357155\t根據就是依照這一次2月1號的新的屆期那沒有連任的會離開的委員我們都已經請黨團提供新的委員名單所以我們也跟變更了新的名單所以院長也改人副院長也改人那國民黨跟民眾黨的委員都我們都已經改變了那也通知各個委員所以已經重組好了對對對都重組好了那就是已經在上上禮拜開會了嗎對對都是新的委員\n358736\t365983\t好,那我們性別平等委員會所負責的這個任務其實是非常的重要啦,不但是要推動我們這個\n368095\t395649\t性平的政策、法規還有業務。立法院的幕僚單位也負責對性別這個議題進行研究和分析。本席還是希望說我們性平會不只是制度上的持續精進在工作上也能持續的深化同時納入更多元的聲音並將這個性平的意識落實在立法院的每一個人、每一個地方將國會營造成一個沒有性騷擾或性別歧視的友善職場\n396730\t406622\t我相信這應該要請秘書長要去落實我們這個方面。謝謝,因為他執行秘書是由我們副秘書長來兼任的。我們會幕僚方面會員認識處理。\n410609\t438546\t好再來我想針對這個國事論壇的部分我想有關國事論壇的存廢問題也不是一個新的議題了那本席是我們本屆次的新科立委在對於國事論壇的必要性感到非常的懷疑至二月就任以來也從未在國事論壇上去登記發言過那每個委員站在台上獨自講了三分鐘有時候發言\n439326\t441067\t條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案案\n458444\t473543\t立法院提供的書面報告書裏面有寫到關於國事論壇的制度當初有其設立的緣由並因具有臨時性、機動性還有新聞性的特點提供委員問政的場域而當初\n474790\t491833\t我們設置國事論壇原本是要提供給委員更多發言的機會讓委員能夠有這個叫自由的發表政策反映民情或是對於時事進行評論但是現在早已是這個電子化和網路媒體的時代\n492654\t494535\t議員賴瑞隆等一）立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案。\n514149\t538939\t我因為從第二屆開始的國事論壇當時的有他的背景,背景我的在當時的情況是因為伊斯路花園市場委員就藉伊斯路花園來來做偏主題的花園所以有一位委員就在也是在遇上委員審查的時候提出來才有這個基礎設計的不過這一個\n542200\t566185\t這一個國事論壇長期也有蠻多的委員跟外界希望把它廢止,我也聽得到但是其實我個人認為國事論壇是一個是一個失風道另外一個就是就是還要存在就對了我個人不認為說這個國事論壇就是一定是不好的一個機制當然他還有其他配偶的比如舉個例來講九點開會\n568766\t589809\t那如果有國事論壇的這個時間或許是有些委員他會讓這個法定人數可能在10點的話可能就立即就可以開會啦這個是大概有一些其他衍生的一些制度的一個配合啦我是個人不認為說一定國事論壇就不好啦\n590309\t607649\t這是等於一個另外的可以把政見反映各方面的,雖然現在外界的可能很多委員都直播啦。剛剛秘書長我講的是說因為在上面講的三分鐘並沒有答詢的那個結果嘛,只有講而已,沒有回答。\n608770\t622286\t我看的辦法就像臨時提案一樣他有一個輸紅道啦他可以把反映的他各選區或是什麼的一個民意的一個對這個反映所以美國制度是一分鐘演說吧\n623647\t648501\t所以這個三分鐘是藉那個制度的衍生過來因為我個人並沒有說一定說不能會不過我是跟報告說這個有他的一些機能在另外還有一個就是有關臨時提案的處理時間現行的這個立法院議事規則第九條規定是在下午的五點到六點處理\n651073\t661223\t針對這個部分我們希望說能不能改到在下午的一點到兩點來處理方便這個會議主席召開黨團協商會議的時候也能夠有充分討論的時間那針對這個部分\n664315\t690468\t我想請教秘書長您的看法我尊重我沒有特別說一定不行所以因為其實會議如果在因為現在剛開始沒有法案進來其實一般來講法案進來的話都可能到五點多還在進行法案的處理但我因為我問了醫事所同仁他們大概這兩屆很多委員提出希望這個時間那我不反對\n693490\t693510\t案 。\n","txt":"委員俊宇發言。好,謝謝主席。我們請周秘書長。請周秘書長。\n民進黨早我們今天要審查的是有關我們立法院的組織法還有立法委員的行為法立法院議事規則以及立法院職權行使法等相關的條文那前幾週我們討論這個國會改革的時候大多是要完備我們立法委員的職權行使也希望能夠有效來監督政府回應民意\n那不過我們立法委員在完善職權的同時也應該要有足夠的自律規範才能夠避免這種不當的行為產生首先想要就這個性平的議題與秘書長來做一個討論我想不管在任何的環境都會發生性平的事件的可能但立法委員作為我們\n國家最高的民意代表自然要用最高的標準來防範性騷擾或性別歧視的言語對於性騷擾零容忍我們也應該要不分黨派大家要有共識\n那我想就叫我們秘書長是不是因為立法委員不屬於立法院的員工所以現行的立法院工作場所性騷擾防治及申訴處理要點以及立法院性騷擾防治申訴及調查處理要點都沒辦法約束到涉及性騷擾的立法委員\n我先跟陳委員報告一下因為我們在上上禮拜剛剛開開過那個性評會的一個會議啦那換人也在吧就為了這個委員之間啦也要由我們院裡面再把他強化再做一個修正因為委員間的事有沒有大概有法治局是不是哪邊\n法制局提供的資料來看美國、法國還有我們英國的這個國會都有訂定相關的規範或決議那其他國家雖然沒有明文的規定但也會以\n由損國會尊嚴來處理。」如果民進黨團的我們所提出還有范雲委員所認定的這種立法委員行為法所提出的修正草案能夠通過我想請教祕書長您這個針對立法院能不能借盡外國的這種國會案例來辦理您會如何來建議我們紀律委員會朝這個方向來處理\n我們大概一般來講如果委員的提案通過的話我們會當然依照法裡面來處理當然就因為紀律委員會也是由委員各委員會召集委員組成的啦所以如果有法規的話我們一定照這樣的就依法處理就對了行政一定是配合的處理依照紀律委員會的規範來處理有一定會按照法規定叫紀律委員會議處紀律委員會他會開會照這個規範來做好\n好那在這裡我也要提醒我們秘書長我們在這個網站上有一個性騷擾防治專區有提供相關的資訊參考那應該有一段時間都沒有去更新了包括我們性平三法在去年這個7月已經有通過新的版本可是在網站上所公告的這個性騷擾申訴案件的SOP目前還是連結到舊的版本的條文\n所以這個應該請我們相關單位是不是會後去注意一下?公務委員報告我們現在都在修那我們修好之後因為依據信憑三法的修正我們也在修院裡面剛剛委員提到的兩個法那目前都已經在修正中也會法治局表示意見那修好之後我們都會做更新還有公務委員報告\n另外對於性平委員會我們立法院性別平等委員會設置要點第三點裡面所示我們本委員會設置13人我們的院長跟副院長是當然的主任委員跟副主任委員秘書長您也是委員的成員\n案。另外是我們依黨團的席次去分配這個席次。那這個任期是兩年可是這一屆第四屆的這個委員任期是從2022年的7月1號到今年2024年的6月30號那雖然任期還剩幾個月可是是橫跨兩屆國會的任期其中也有幾位的這個委員已經沒有在立法院這個\n連任已經卸任了包括我們的游院長也都卸任了那我想請問秘書長就是說是不是應該將我們性品委員會的任期來做一個重新的調整以配合每一屆的國會組成\n根據就是依照這一次2月1號的新的屆期那沒有連任的會離開的委員我們都已經請黨團提供新的委員名單所以我們也跟變更了新的名單所以院長也改人副院長也改人那國民黨跟民眾黨的委員都我們都已經改變了那也通知各個委員所以已經重組好了對對對都重組好了那就是已經在上上禮拜開會了嗎對對都是新的委員\n好,那我們性別平等委員會所負責的這個任務其實是非常的重要啦,不但是要推動我們這個\n性平的政策、法規還有業務。立法院的幕僚單位也負責對性別這個議題進行研究和分析。本席還是希望說我們性平會不只是制度上的持續精進在工作上也能持續的深化同時納入更多元的聲音並將這個性平的意識落實在立法院的每一個人、每一個地方將國會營造成一個沒有性騷擾或性別歧視的友善職場\n我相信這應該要請秘書長要去落實我們這個方面。謝謝,因為他執行秘書是由我們副秘書長來兼任的。我們會幕僚方面會員認識處理。\n好再來我想針對這個國事論壇的部分我想有關國事論壇的存廢問題也不是一個新的議題了那本席是我們本屆次的新科立委在對於國事論壇的必要性感到非常的懷疑至二月就任以來也從未在國事論壇上去登記發言過那每個委員站在台上獨自講了三分鐘有時候發言\n條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案案\n立法院提供的書面報告書裏面有寫到關於國事論壇的制度當初有其設立的緣由並因具有臨時性、機動性還有新聞性的特點提供委員問政的場域而當初\n我們設置國事論壇原本是要提供給委員更多發言的機會讓委員能夠有這個叫自由的發表政策反映民情或是對於時事進行評論但是現在早已是這個電子化和網路媒體的時代\n議員賴瑞隆等一）立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案。\n我因為從第二屆開始的國事論壇當時的有他的背景,背景我的在當時的情況是因為伊斯路花園市場委員就藉伊斯路花園來來做偏主題的花園所以有一位委員就在也是在遇上委員審查的時候提出來才有這個基礎設計的不過這一個\n這一個國事論壇長期也有蠻多的委員跟外界希望把它廢止,我也聽得到但是其實我個人認為國事論壇是一個是一個失風道另外一個就是就是還要存在就對了我個人不認為說這個國事論壇就是一定是不好的一個機制當然他還有其他配偶的比如舉個例來講九點開會\n那如果有國事論壇的這個時間或許是有些委員他會讓這個法定人數可能在10點的話可能就立即就可以開會啦這個是大概有一些其他衍生的一些制度的一個配合啦我是個人不認為說一定國事論壇就不好啦\n這是等於一個另外的可以把政見反映各方面的,雖然現在外界的可能很多委員都直播啦。剛剛秘書長我講的是說因為在上面講的三分鐘並沒有答詢的那個結果嘛,只有講而已,沒有回答。\n我看的辦法就像臨時提案一樣他有一個輸紅道啦他可以把反映的他各選區或是什麼的一個民意的一個對這個反映所以美國制度是一分鐘演說吧\n所以這個三分鐘是藉那個制度的衍生過來因為我個人並沒有說一定說不能會不過我是跟報告說這個有他的一些機能在另外還有一個就是有關臨時提案的處理時間現行的這個立法院議事規則第九條規定是在下午的五點到六點處理\n針對這個部分我們希望說能不能改到在下午的一點到兩點來處理方便這個會議主席召開黨團協商會議的時候也能夠有充分討論的時間那針對這個部分\n我想請教秘書長您的看法我尊重我沒有特別說一定不行所以因為其實會議如果在因為現在剛開始沒有法案進來其實一般來講法案進來的話都可能到五點多還在進行法案的處理但我因為我問了醫事所同仁他們大概這兩屆很多委員提出希望這個時間那我不反對\n案 。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:22.814\n委員俊宇發言。好,謝謝主席。我們請周秘書長。請周秘書長。\n\n00:27.814 --> 00:52.251\n民進黨早我們今天要審查的是有關我們立法院的組織法還有立法委員的行為法立法院議事規則以及立法院職權行使法等相關的條文那前幾週我們討論這個國會改革的時候大多是要完備我們立法委員的職權行使也希望能夠有效來監督政府回應民意\n\n00:53.112 --> 01:13.642\n那不過我們立法委員在完善職權的同時也應該要有足夠的自律規範才能夠避免這種不當的行為產生首先想要就這個性平的議題與秘書長來做一個討論我想不管在任何的環境都會發生性平的事件的可能但立法委員作為我們\n\n01:15.043 --> 01:27.139\n國家最高的民意代表自然要用最高的標準來防範性騷擾或性別歧視的言語對於性騷擾零容忍我們也應該要不分黨派大家要有共識\n\n01:28.413 --> 01:48.007\n那我想就叫我們秘書長是不是因為立法委員不屬於立法院的員工所以現行的立法院工作場所性騷擾防治及申訴處理要點以及立法院性騷擾防治申訴及調查處理要點都沒辦法約束到涉及性騷擾的立法委員\n\n01:51.867 --> 02:14.393\n我先跟陳委員報告一下因為我們在上上禮拜剛剛開開過那個性評會的一個會議啦那換人也在吧就為了這個委員之間啦也要由我們院裡面再把他強化再做一個修正因為委員間的事有沒有大概有法治局是不是哪邊\n\n02:16.400 --> 02:20.643\n法制局提供的資料來看美國、法國還有我們英國的這個國會都有訂定相關的規範或決議那其他國家雖然沒有明文的規定但也會以\n\n02:42.661 --> 03:06.988\n由損國會尊嚴來處理。」如果民進黨團的我們所提出還有范雲委員所認定的這種立法委員行為法所提出的修正草案能夠通過我想請教祕書長您這個針對立法院能不能借盡外國的這種國會案例來辦理您會如何來建議我們紀律委員會朝這個方向來處理\n\n03:08.035 --> 03:33.525\n我們大概一般來講如果委員的提案通過的話我們會當然依照法裡面來處理當然就因為紀律委員會也是由委員各委員會召集委員組成的啦所以如果有法規的話我們一定照這樣的就依法處理就對了行政一定是配合的處理依照紀律委員會的規範來處理有一定會按照法規定叫紀律委員會議處紀律委員會他會開會照這個規範來做好\n\n03:36.906 --> 04:03.002\n好那在這裡我也要提醒我們秘書長我們在這個網站上有一個性騷擾防治專區有提供相關的資訊參考那應該有一段時間都沒有去更新了包括我們性平三法在去年這個7月已經有通過新的版本可是在網站上所公告的這個性騷擾申訴案件的SOP目前還是連結到舊的版本的條文\n\n04:03.682 --> 04:24.484\n所以這個應該請我們相關單位是不是會後去注意一下?公務委員報告我們現在都在修那我們修好之後因為依據信憑三法的修正我們也在修院裡面剛剛委員提到的兩個法那目前都已經在修正中也會法治局表示意見那修好之後我們都會做更新還有公務委員報告\n\n04:25.525 --> 04:45.535\n另外對於性平委員會我們立法院性別平等委員會設置要點第三點裡面所示我們本委員會設置13人我們的院長跟副院長是當然的主任委員跟副主任委員秘書長您也是委員的成員\n\n04:47.796 --> 05:14.423\n案。另外是我們依黨團的席次去分配這個席次。那這個任期是兩年可是這一屆第四屆的這個委員任期是從2022年的7月1號到今年2024年的6月30號那雖然任期還剩幾個月可是是橫跨兩屆國會的任期其中也有幾位的這個委員已經沒有在立法院這個\n\n05:16.723 --> 05:28.313\n連任已經卸任了包括我們的游院長也都卸任了那我想請問秘書長就是說是不是應該將我們性品委員會的任期來做一個重新的調整以配合每一屆的國會組成\n\n05:30.242 --> 05:57.155\n根據就是依照這一次2月1號的新的屆期那沒有連任的會離開的委員我們都已經請黨團提供新的委員名單所以我們也跟變更了新的名單所以院長也改人副院長也改人那國民黨跟民眾黨的委員都我們都已經改變了那也通知各個委員所以已經重組好了對對對都重組好了那就是已經在上上禮拜開會了嗎對對都是新的委員\n\n05:58.736 --> 06:05.983\n好,那我們性別平等委員會所負責的這個任務其實是非常的重要啦,不但是要推動我們這個\n\n06:08.095 --> 06:35.649\n性平的政策、法規還有業務。立法院的幕僚單位也負責對性別這個議題進行研究和分析。本席還是希望說我們性平會不只是制度上的持續精進在工作上也能持續的深化同時納入更多元的聲音並將這個性平的意識落實在立法院的每一個人、每一個地方將國會營造成一個沒有性騷擾或性別歧視的友善職場\n\n06:36.730 --> 06:46.622\n我相信這應該要請秘書長要去落實我們這個方面。謝謝,因為他執行秘書是由我們副秘書長來兼任的。我們會幕僚方面會員認識處理。\n\n06:50.609 --> 07:18.546\n好再來我想針對這個國事論壇的部分我想有關國事論壇的存廢問題也不是一個新的議題了那本席是我們本屆次的新科立委在對於國事論壇的必要性感到非常的懷疑至二月就任以來也從未在國事論壇上去登記發言過那每個委員站在台上獨自講了三分鐘有時候發言\n\n07:19.326 --> 07:21.067\n條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案案\n\n07:38.444 --> 07:53.543\n立法院提供的書面報告書裏面有寫到關於國事論壇的制度當初有其設立的緣由並因具有臨時性、機動性還有新聞性的特點提供委員問政的場域而當初\n\n07:54.790 --> 08:11.833\n我們設置國事論壇原本是要提供給委員更多發言的機會讓委員能夠有這個叫自由的發表政策反映民情或是對於時事進行評論但是現在早已是這個電子化和網路媒體的時代\n\n08:12.654 --> 08:14.535\n議員賴瑞隆等一）立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案。\n\n08:34.149 --> 08:58.939\n我因為從第二屆開始的國事論壇當時的有他的背景,背景我的在當時的情況是因為伊斯路花園市場委員就藉伊斯路花園來來做偏主題的花園所以有一位委員就在也是在遇上委員審查的時候提出來才有這個基礎設計的不過這一個\n\n09:02.200 --> 09:26.185\n這一個國事論壇長期也有蠻多的委員跟外界希望把它廢止,我也聽得到但是其實我個人認為國事論壇是一個是一個失風道另外一個就是就是還要存在就對了我個人不認為說這個國事論壇就是一定是不好的一個機制當然他還有其他配偶的比如舉個例來講九點開會\n\n09:28.766 --> 09:49.809\n那如果有國事論壇的這個時間或許是有些委員他會讓這個法定人數可能在10點的話可能就立即就可以開會啦這個是大概有一些其他衍生的一些制度的一個配合啦我是個人不認為說一定國事論壇就不好啦\n\n09:50.309 --> 10:07.649\n這是等於一個另外的可以把政見反映各方面的,雖然現在外界的可能很多委員都直播啦。剛剛秘書長我講的是說因為在上面講的三分鐘並沒有答詢的那個結果嘛,只有講而已,沒有回答。\n\n10:08.770 --> 10:22.286\n我看的辦法就像臨時提案一樣他有一個輸紅道啦他可以把反映的他各選區或是什麼的一個民意的一個對這個反映所以美國制度是一分鐘演說吧\n\n10:23.647 --> 10:48.501\n所以這個三分鐘是藉那個制度的衍生過來因為我個人並沒有說一定說不能會不過我是跟報告說這個有他的一些機能在另外還有一個就是有關臨時提案的處理時間現行的這個立法院議事規則第九條規定是在下午的五點到六點處理\n\n10:51.073 --> 11:01.223\n針對這個部分我們希望說能不能改到在下午的一點到兩點來處理方便這個會議主席召開黨團協商會議的時候也能夠有充分討論的時間那針對這個部分\n\n11:04.315 --> 11:30.468\n我想請教秘書長您的看法我尊重我沒有特別說一定不行所以因為其實會議如果在因為現在剛開始沒有法案進來其實一般來講法案進來的話都可能到五點多還在進行法案的處理但我因為我問了醫事所同仁他們大概這兩屆很多委員提出希望這個時間那我不反對\n\n11:33.490 --> 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