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00:02:35,843\n那我也希望就是說部長因為你經驗也非常豐富那其實在基層有很多工會也覺得部長是一個很貼近民意的一個部長因為部長也時常到地方去請聽這些工會的聲音所以我們也希望就是說部長未來希望你也跟這個新任的這個部長\n\n8\n00:03:05,030 --> 00:03:24,085\n這個準部長能夠有．可以很快的來上手?這個報告委員因為我跟何準部長不僅是公務上的好同事其實這幾年相處也變成好朋友、好姐妹那我想他有任何需要我來提供一些我的經驗的我都非常樂意來跟他協助這個都沒有問題\n\n9\n00:03:24,986 --> 00:03:53,231\n好那部長今天特別提到就是說有關我們這個就業服務法上路超過30年那應該剛剛也有幾位委員覺得說應該要大修了那我針對就是移工的這個議題我想請部長請教部長就是說這個移工的議題在尤其在我們這個勞動部這邊跟印度這邊簽MOU的時候那很多人就很關心就是說新有更\n\n10\n00:03:53,971 --> 00:04:19,710\n另外一個國家的這個移工來源國對台灣來講是好的那更多人會希望就是說未來那是不是用這個直接聘僱的這個方式直接聘僱那我也看到就是勞動部也到目前為止你們是有雙軌就是一個是職聘一個是有透過仲介那我看到職聘的這個部分我覺得這個比例真的是太低了\n\n11\n00:04:21,175 --> 00:04:41,236\n為什麼職聘的這個比例這麼低?因為當然這是僱主他有時候就是他的選擇當然過去的職聘也有他可能比較不容易使用的這個缺點所以我覺得這個部分當然還有加上主要是有些來源國像越南、印尼他其實對這個部分是消極的\n\n12\n00:04:42,017 --> 00:04:55,305\n他們不希望走職聘所以這都造成說看起來我們職聘的功效一直不髒那這個部分我是覺得說因為新的來源國印度我們是希望能夠重點\n\n13\n00:04:57,606 --> 00:04:58,187\n對雙方都好啦。\n\n14\n00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:34,694\n對僱主也好對他的移工的保障各方面是不是會更周全?其實我看到就是說我們這個職聘現在目前是雙軌可是為什麼職聘的這個這個\n\n15\n00:05:39,110 --> 00:05:39,630\n但是我發現我們很多的公部門\n\n16\n00:06:08,775 --> 00:06:28,750\n只要是這一種的,可能你們就變成委外,就變成委外去經營。那這樣委外經營跟後面就是有仲介這樣好像也沒什麼兩樣。報告,因為土改又精簡人事,但是我們其實現在工人很辛苦啊,事情越做越多啊。是啊。那你看我們一個移工管理組,不到70人。\n\n17\n00:06:31,049 --> 00:06:31,109\n主席\n\n18\n00:06:51,764 --> 00:07:18,613\n像我們這個移工管理組的人才培養那是要時間的因為我們的移工管理的法令多如牛毛你沒有相當的時間的培養還有實務的操作其實沒有辦法很快上手所以都造成我們人力上會比較困難那像這種職聘你說像我們的現在外國人事務中心職聘那沒有辦法我人就這麼多我沒有委外那你要叫我同仁怎麼做做不來當然我們現在就盡量把它\n\n19\n00:07:19,853 --> 00:07:19,993\n你檢證不僅讓\n\n20\n00:07:33,206 --> 00:07:33,346\n我們會持續來檢討。\n\n21\n00:07:52,475 --> 00:08:05,211\n所以未來如果說這個印度移工過來的話如果說用直聘直接聘僱的這個方式那這個你們所需要的這個人力應該也是更多是那這個要拜託委員支持當然當然是支持就是說\n\n22\n00:08:08,034 --> 00:08:32,780\n未來當然是全力支持可是就是說你們可能要去考慮就是說你們現在是七十幾個人來管理這些七十五萬的移工那未來如果說直接聘僱的話那這個業務量是更多耶這個業務量更多那你們需要的更多人那當然我也是希望就是說你們能夠把這個一些文書的這個流程\n\n23\n00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:33,220\n好,對。\n\n24\n00:08:55,757 --> 00:08:55,897\n好,謝謝雯\n\n25\n00:09:26,452 --> 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04:19.710\n另外一個國家的這個移工來源國對台灣來講是好的那更多人會希望就是說未來那是不是用這個直接聘僱的這個方式直接聘僱那我也看到就是勞動部也到目前為止你們是有雙軌就是一個是職聘一個是有透過仲介那我看到職聘的這個部分我覺得這個比例真的是太低了\n\n04:21.175 --> 04:41.236\n為什麼職聘的這個比例這麼低?因為當然這是僱主他有時候就是他的選擇當然過去的職聘也有他可能比較不容易使用的這個缺點所以我覺得這個部分當然還有加上主要是有些來源國像越南、印尼他其實對這個部分是消極的\n\n04:42.017 --> 04:55.305\n他們不希望走職聘所以這都造成說看起來我們職聘的功效一直不髒那這個部分我是覺得說因為新的來源國印度我們是希望能夠重點\n\n04:57.606 --> 04:58.187\n對雙方都好啦。\n\n05:26.070 --> 05:34.694\n對僱主也好對他的移工的保障各方面是不是會更周全?其實我看到就是說我們這個職聘現在目前是雙軌可是為什麼職聘的這個這個\n\n05:39.110 --> 05:39.630\n但是我發現我們很多的公部門\n\n06:08.775 --> 06:28.750\n只要是這一種的,可能你們就變成委外,就變成委外去經營。那這樣委外經營跟後面就是有仲介這樣好像也沒什麼兩樣。報告,因為土改又精簡人事,但是我們其實現在工人很辛苦啊,事情越做越多啊。是啊。那你看我們一個移工管理組,不到70人。\n\n06:31.049 --> 06:31.109\n主席\n\n06:51.764 --> 07:18.613\n像我們這個移工管理組的人才培養那是要時間的因為我們的移工管理的法令多如牛毛你沒有相當的時間的培養還有實務的操作其實沒有辦法很快上手所以都造成我們人力上會比較困難那像這種職聘你說像我們的現在外國人事務中心職聘那沒有辦法我人就這麼多我沒有委外那你要叫我同仁怎麼做做不來當然我們現在就盡量把它\n\n07:19.853 --> 07:19.993\n你檢證不僅讓\n\n07:33.206 --> 07:33.346\n我們會持續來檢討。\n\n07:52.475 --> 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