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00:01:27,791\n當然其實兒童在成長的過程中他們的整個所有的心理的結構或者是他們的心理的一個素質其實3歲到5歲到7歲他可能都有不同的一個細微的一個發展跟不同的一個變化所以針對這個部分其實在兒少節目當中我們更需要挹注更大量的一個資源來提供給兒少更好的優質的一個節目我相信這一點大家應該都認同對吧好\n\n5\n00:01:31,133 --> 00:01:48,984\n市長知道慕尼黑兒童影展他們的宗旨嗎請教委員慕尼黑他們的兒童影展他們的宗旨是讓孩子們能夠從影片上看到他們成長的問題也能夠從影片上看到他們成長問題當中去得到答案\n\n6\n00:01:49,784 --> 00:02:10,470\n我想這是非常好的一個宗旨也值得我們一起共同來學習但是我們可以從這張表看到目前台灣兒少節目製作的時數這個2023年還沒有出來這些數據是文策院這邊產業調查報告所顯示的從2019年的1584小時到2020年的1243小時\n\n7\n00:02:16,252 --> 00:02:36,147\n一直到2021年的994小時還有2022年的890小時到現在為止我相信應該是更低這一點應該沒錯吧我們希望在今年2024年也就是從公視在兒少頻道整體的策略展開之後\n\n8\n00:02:37,048 --> 00:02:37,508\n因為就我過去在\n\n9\n00:02:56,645 --> 00:02:58,506\n影視產業當中其實我也觀察到一個現象所有的戲劇類的節目所有的節目類型當中其實兒少的節目是最難製作的相對的來講它的成本也最低\n\n10\n00:03:11,294 --> 00:03:34,531\n我說的所謂的成本最低是他們所花的能夠運用在兒少節目的成本是相對的很低我從一個同業當中的口中知道他們其實很用心在製作兒少的節目但是他們的經費真的非常非常的辛苦包含實境節目一集可能只有15萬你想想看一集15萬我們能夠做些什麼\n\n11\n00:03:36,773 --> 00:03:57,398\n是,所以包括政府的補助資金以及投資的資金跟民間合資合智的資金這些要帶動才有可能改善當然這是次長我們當然也希望是從我們的政府開始做起但是像之前我們舉個例子來講科普教育節目它其實就有比較龐大的一個資源可以挹注因為是國科會贊助的這一點您知道嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:01,399 --> 00:04:19,946\n為什麼我們不能從國家開始做起而現在其實我們把所有的資源剛剛聽下來幾乎只有投注在公共電視上那其他的頻道我們不能再仰賴民間我們來看下一張圖在國際青少年跟媒體教育中心這是提供的一個2018年的資料我不曉得這張資料所有在場的與會的人士你們看過這張圖嗎\n\n13\n00:04:25,745 --> 00:04:46,526\n好我們來看一下這個是從左邊依序是字字以及中間的橘色的部分是跨國合制以及外購的節目我們非常非常難過的是看到台灣所謂的兒童節目的頻道外購的節目幾乎超過90%以上\n\n14\n00:04:49,761 --> 00:04:55,433\n另外我們自己本身自製的兒少的節目居然只有百分之八\n\n15\n00:04:56,485 --> 00:05:18,064\n我們可以再回過頭來看一下左邊過來的第三個古巴他們自從在2007年他們的自製節目本來只有6%但是後來他們引進一些國外包含一些外國的團隊跟他們來做共同的一個合作之後他們的自製節目在2018年已經超過了33%超過了5倍台灣為什麼不做呢?\n\n16\n00:05:22,071 --> 00:05:25,896\n我們可不可以因為再來很多人都會提到所謂的兒少節目的製作的人才是不足的\n\n17\n00:05:42,635 --> 00:05:56,420\n但是我們從很多的大學影相關的影視科系當中其實這個部分就沒有在鼓勵啊所以這邊的人才的培養其實是斷層的我們也憂慮這個斷層但這個部分我們是不是可以從文化部、教育部我們跨部會來做這樣子的一個演繹讓我們在學校端就有人才的產出\n\n18\n00:06:08,544 --> 00:06:09,264\n拜託文化部次長列席\n\n19\n00:06:38,370 --> 00:06:43,331\n但我們不能只依靠民間喔就像我剛剛以古巴的例子我們不能只靠民間我們是不是可以從我們的政府從我們的整個所有的部會開始做起我們去引進一些比方說國外的一些製作的團隊他們來到台灣來跟我們做一個跨國的合作\n\n20\n00:07:01,516 --> 00:07:01,776\n郭昱晴議員\n\n21\n00:07:16,493 --> 00:07:16,593\n郭昱晴\n\n22\n00:07:37,868 --> 00:07:54,497\n其實這些人員的費用扣除之後可用的餘額真的也不高一級大概就是28萬含稅整體資源來說其實以公視6億的投注來說相對於整個兒少影視影產自需要市場仍然是不足\n\n23\n00:07:55,963 --> 00:08:20,770\n雖然6億聽起來很多但是我們也希望其他更沒有被重視到的一些頻道他們也願意來投注這樣子的一個製作的產量我們希望由起點開始今年8月之後我們可以真的把下一次我們再來討論的時候我們能夠支持的這樣子的一個頻率是提高的可以嗎?可以我們一定會努力來做\n\n24\n00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:28,579\n接下來本席在這邊其實之前接到了一個跟公共電視共同出品的一個戲劇的陳情叫《不夠善良的我們》我們先來聽一下我們也讓現場的朋友來聽一下聲音的變化\n\n25\n00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:13,101\n好,這是第一段再來聽第二段,這裡\n\n26\n00:10:06,809 --> 00:10:23,839\n市長有聽出來兩段的差別了嗎?有這個問題其實已經有跟我們反映那這個問題其實在公視這一段它其實沒有特別去控制這個音量它主要是經過有線電視的頻道播出的時候會導致這個音量的變化那通常會大概也有要求就是說有線電的業者應該要先進行音量的測試這樣的調整\n\n27\n00:10:25,020 --> 00:10:54,243\n因為這個問題已經存在好幾年了一直到現在其實我們大家都在想我們看到本土很好的戲劇的產出但是聲音是靈魂啊剛剛在第二段因為我們的系統整個所有的均質化的結果就所有聲音全部都大聲起來了變成雜音很多變成我們原本應該要聽到的一些所謂的戲劇的精髓我們應該要呈現出來什麼樣的一個整個所有藝術上的一個表現真的被大打折扣了\n\n28\n00:10:54,463 --> 00:10:55,204\n謝謝委員謝謝主席好謝謝謝謝郭昱晴\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8280\t11890\t主席好 有請王次長好 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我們來看一下這個是從左邊依序是字字以及中間的橘色的部分是跨國合制以及外購的節目我們非常非常難過的是看到台灣所謂的兒童節目的頻道外購的節目幾乎超過90%以上\n289761\t295433\t另外我們自己本身自製的兒少的節目居然只有百分之八\n296485\t318064\t我們可以再回過頭來看一下左邊過來的第三個古巴他們自從在2007年他們的自製節目本來只有6%但是後來他們引進一些國外包含一些外國的團隊跟他們來做共同的一個合作之後他們的自製節目在2018年已經超過了33%超過了5倍台灣為什麼不做呢?\n322071\t325896\t我們可不可以因為再來很多人都會提到所謂的兒少節目的製作的人才是不足的\n342635\t356420\t但是我們從很多的大學影相關的影視科系當中其實這個部分就沒有在鼓勵啊所以這邊的人才的培養其實是斷層的我們也憂慮這個斷層但這個部分我們是不是可以從文化部、教育部我們跨部會來做這樣子的一個演繹讓我們在學校端就有人才的產出\n368544\t369264\t拜託文化部次長列席\n398370\t403331\t但我們不能只依靠民間喔就像我剛剛以古巴的例子我們不能只靠民間我們是不是可以從我們的政府從我們的整個所有的部會開始做起我們去引進一些比方說國外的一些製作的團隊他們來到台灣來跟我們做一個跨國的合作\n421516\t421776\t郭昱晴議員\n436493\t436593\t郭昱晴\n457868\t474497\t其實這些人員的費用扣除之後可用的餘額真的也不高一級大概就是28萬含稅整體資源來說其實以公視6億的投注來說相對於整個兒少影視影產自需要市場仍然是不足\n475963\t500770\t雖然6億聽起來很多但是我們也希望其他更沒有被重視到的一些頻道他們也願意來投注這樣子的一個製作的產量我們希望由起點開始今年8月之後我們可以真的把下一次我們再來討論的時候我們能夠支持的這樣子的一個頻率是提高的 可以嗎?可以 我們一定會努力來做\n502330\t508579\t接下來本席在這邊其實之前接到了一個跟公共電視共同出品的一個戲劇的陳情叫《不夠善良的我們》我們先來聽一下我們也讓現場的朋友來聽一下聲音的變化\n552520\t553101\t好,這是第一段再來聽第二段,這裡\n606809\t623839\t市長有聽出來兩段的差別了嗎?有 這個問題其實已經有跟我們反映那這個問題其實在公視這一段它其實沒有特別去控制這個音量它主要是經過有線電視的頻道播出的時候會導致這個音量的變化那通常會大概也有要求就是說有線電的業者應該要先進行音量的測試這樣的調整\n625020\t654243\t因為這個問題已經存在好幾年了一直到現在其實我們大家都在想我們看到本土很好的戲劇的產出但是聲音是靈魂啊剛剛在第二段因為我們的系統整個所有的均質化的結果就所有聲音全部都大聲起來了變成雜音很多變成我們原本應該要聽到的一些所謂的戲劇的精髓我們應該要呈現出來什麼樣的一個整個所有藝術上的一個表現真的被大打折扣了\n654463\t655204\t謝謝委員謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝郭昱晴\n","txt":"主席好 有請王次長好 有請王次長\n市長早安我想其實剛剛大家都已經聽到有很多人在關心所謂的兒少的一個頻道跟節目啦那我相信其實我們在公共電視上面也挹注了很多的資源就是在公共電視那但是相對的來講是不是在資源上的一個分配不均呢我們等一下稍微再來討論一下喔那我想\n針對所謂的兒少節目台灣目前為止我們的自治率幾乎是全球倒數那當然其實我們也希望能夠把這樣子的一個狀況能夠在這幾年當中我們既然已經發現問題其實這是一個非常大的問題因為兒少節目其實對於孩童的影響有可能會是一輩子\n當然其實兒童在成長的過程中他們的整個所有的心理的結構或者是他們的心理的一個素質其實3歲到5歲到7歲他可能都有不同的一個細微的一個發展跟不同的一個變化所以針對這個部分其實在兒少節目當中我們更需要挹注更大量的一個資源來提供給兒少更好的優質的一個節目我相信這一點大家應該都認同對吧好\n市長知道慕尼黑兒童影展他們的宗旨嗎請教委員慕尼黑他們的兒童影展他們的宗旨是讓孩子們能夠從影片上看到他們成長的問題也能夠從影片上看到他們成長問題當中去得到答案\n我想這是非常好的一個宗旨也值得我們一起共同來學習但是我們可以從這張表看到目前台灣兒少節目製作的時數這個2023年還沒有出來這些數據是文策院這邊產業調查報告所顯示的從2019年的1584小時到2020年的1243小時\n一直到2021年的994小時還有2022年的890小時到現在為止我相信應該是更低這一點應該沒錯吧我們希望在今年2024年也就是從公視在兒少頻道整體的策略展開之後\n因為就我過去在\n影視產業當中其實我也觀察到一個現象所有的戲劇類的節目所有的節目類型當中其實兒少的節目是最難製作的相對的來講它的成本也最低\n我說的所謂的成本最低是他們所花的能夠運用在兒少節目的成本是相對的很低我從一個同業當中的口中知道他們其實很用心在製作兒少的節目但是他們的經費真的非常非常的辛苦包含實境節目一集可能只有15萬你想想看一集15萬我們能夠做些什麼\n是,所以包括政府的補助資金以及投資的資金跟民間合資合智的資金這些要帶動才有可能改善當然這是次長我們當然也希望是從我們的政府開始做起但是像之前我們舉個例子來講科普教育節目它其實就有比較龐大的一個資源可以挹注因為是國科會贊助的這一點您知道嗎?\n為什麼我們不能從國家開始做起而現在其實我們把所有的資源剛剛聽下來幾乎只有投注在公共電視上那其他的頻道我們不能再仰賴民間我們來看下一張圖在國際青少年跟媒體教育中心這是提供的一個2018年的資料我不曉得這張資料所有在場的與會的人士你們看過這張圖嗎\n好 我們來看一下這個是從左邊依序是字字以及中間的橘色的部分是跨國合制以及外購的節目我們非常非常難過的是看到台灣所謂的兒童節目的頻道外購的節目幾乎超過90%以上\n另外我們自己本身自製的兒少的節目居然只有百分之八\n我們可以再回過頭來看一下左邊過來的第三個古巴他們自從在2007年他們的自製節目本來只有6%但是後來他們引進一些國外包含一些外國的團隊跟他們來做共同的一個合作之後他們的自製節目在2018年已經超過了33%超過了5倍台灣為什麼不做呢?\n我們可不可以因為再來很多人都會提到所謂的兒少節目的製作的人才是不足的\n但是我們從很多的大學影相關的影視科系當中其實這個部分就沒有在鼓勵啊所以這邊的人才的培養其實是斷層的我們也憂慮這個斷層但這個部分我們是不是可以從文化部、教育部我們跨部會來做這樣子的一個演繹讓我們在學校端就有人才的產出\n拜託文化部次長列席\n但我們不能只依靠民間喔就像我剛剛以古巴的例子我們不能只靠民間我們是不是可以從我們的政府從我們的整個所有的部會開始做起我們去引進一些比方說國外的一些製作的團隊他們來到台灣來跟我們做一個跨國的合作\n郭昱晴議員\n郭昱晴\n其實這些人員的費用扣除之後可用的餘額真的也不高一級大概就是28萬含稅整體資源來說其實以公視6億的投注來說相對於整個兒少影視影產自需要市場仍然是不足\n雖然6億聽起來很多但是我們也希望其他更沒有被重視到的一些頻道他們也願意來投注這樣子的一個製作的產量我們希望由起點開始今年8月之後我們可以真的把下一次我們再來討論的時候我們能夠支持的這樣子的一個頻率是提高的 可以嗎?可以 我們一定會努力來做\n接下來本席在這邊其實之前接到了一個跟公共電視共同出品的一個戲劇的陳情叫《不夠善良的我們》我們先來聽一下我們也讓現場的朋友來聽一下聲音的變化\n好,這是第一段再來聽第二段,這裡\n市長有聽出來兩段的差別了嗎?有 這個問題其實已經有跟我們反映那這個問題其實在公視這一段它其實沒有特別去控制這個音量它主要是經過有線電視的頻道播出的時候會導致這個音量的變化那通常會大概也有要求就是說有線電的業者應該要先進行音量的測試這樣的調整\n因為這個問題已經存在好幾年了一直到現在其實我們大家都在想我們看到本土很好的戲劇的產出但是聲音是靈魂啊剛剛在第二段因為我們的系統整個所有的均質化的結果就所有聲音全部都大聲起來了變成雜音很多變成我們原本應該要聽到的一些所謂的戲劇的精髓我們應該要呈現出來什麼樣的一個整個所有藝術上的一個表現真的被大打折扣了\n謝謝委員謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝郭昱晴\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.280 --> 00:11.890\n主席好有請王次長好有請王次長\n\n00:15.839 --> 00:38.580\n市長早安我想其實剛剛大家都已經聽到有很多人在關心所謂的兒少的一個頻道跟節目啦那我相信其實我們在公共電視上面也挹注了很多的資源就是在公共電視那但是相對的來講是不是在資源上的一個分配不均呢我們等一下稍微再來討論一下喔那我想\n\n00:39.902 --> 01:01.218\n針對所謂的兒少節目台灣目前為止我們的自治率幾乎是全球倒數那當然其實我們也希望能夠把這樣子的一個狀況能夠在這幾年當中我們既然已經發現問題其實這是一個非常大的問題因為兒少節目其實對於孩童的影響有可能會是一輩子\n\n01:02.118 --> 01:27.791\n當然其實兒童在成長的過程中他們的整個所有的心理的結構或者是他們的心理的一個素質其實3歲到5歲到7歲他可能都有不同的一個細微的一個發展跟不同的一個變化所以針對這個部分其實在兒少節目當中我們更需要挹注更大量的一個資源來提供給兒少更好的優質的一個節目我相信這一點大家應該都認同對吧好\n\n01:31.133 --> 01:48.984\n市長知道慕尼黑兒童影展他們的宗旨嗎請教委員慕尼黑他們的兒童影展他們的宗旨是讓孩子們能夠從影片上看到他們成長的問題也能夠從影片上看到他們成長問題當中去得到答案\n\n01:49.784 --> 02:10.470\n我想這是非常好的一個宗旨也值得我們一起共同來學習但是我們可以從這張表看到目前台灣兒少節目製作的時數這個2023年還沒有出來這些數據是文策院這邊產業調查報告所顯示的從2019年的1584小時到2020年的1243小時\n\n02:16.252 --> 02:36.147\n一直到2021年的994小時還有2022年的890小時到現在為止我相信應該是更低這一點應該沒錯吧我們希望在今年2024年也就是從公視在兒少頻道整體的策略展開之後\n\n02:37.048 --> 02:37.508\n因為就我過去在\n\n02:56.645 --> 02:58.506\n影視產業當中其實我也觀察到一個現象所有的戲劇類的節目所有的節目類型當中其實兒少的節目是最難製作的相對的來講它的成本也最低\n\n03:11.294 --> 03:34.531\n我說的所謂的成本最低是他們所花的能夠運用在兒少節目的成本是相對的很低我從一個同業當中的口中知道他們其實很用心在製作兒少的節目但是他們的經費真的非常非常的辛苦包含實境節目一集可能只有15萬你想想看一集15萬我們能夠做些什麼\n\n03:36.773 --> 03:57.398\n是,所以包括政府的補助資金以及投資的資金跟民間合資合智的資金這些要帶動才有可能改善當然這是次長我們當然也希望是從我們的政府開始做起但是像之前我們舉個例子來講科普教育節目它其實就有比較龐大的一個資源可以挹注因為是國科會贊助的這一點您知道嗎?\n\n04:01.399 --> 04:19.946\n為什麼我們不能從國家開始做起而現在其實我們把所有的資源剛剛聽下來幾乎只有投注在公共電視上那其他的頻道我們不能再仰賴民間我們來看下一張圖在國際青少年跟媒體教育中心這是提供的一個2018年的資料我不曉得這張資料所有在場的與會的人士你們看過這張圖嗎\n\n04:25.745 --> 04:46.526\n好我們來看一下這個是從左邊依序是字字以及中間的橘色的部分是跨國合制以及外購的節目我們非常非常難過的是看到台灣所謂的兒童節目的頻道外購的節目幾乎超過90%以上\n\n04:49.761 --> 04:55.433\n另外我們自己本身自製的兒少的節目居然只有百分之八\n\n04:56.485 --> 05:18.064\n我們可以再回過頭來看一下左邊過來的第三個古巴他們自從在2007年他們的自製節目本來只有6%但是後來他們引進一些國外包含一些外國的團隊跟他們來做共同的一個合作之後他們的自製節目在2018年已經超過了33%超過了5倍台灣為什麼不做呢?\n\n05:22.071 --> 05:25.896\n我們可不可以因為再來很多人都會提到所謂的兒少節目的製作的人才是不足的\n\n05:42.635 --> 05:56.420\n但是我們從很多的大學影相關的影視科系當中其實這個部分就沒有在鼓勵啊所以這邊的人才的培養其實是斷層的我們也憂慮這個斷層但這個部分我們是不是可以從文化部、教育部我們跨部會來做這樣子的一個演繹讓我們在學校端就有人才的產出\n\n06:08.544 --> 06:09.264\n拜託文化部次長列席\n\n06:38.370 --> 06:43.331\n但我們不能只依靠民間喔就像我剛剛以古巴的例子我們不能只靠民間我們是不是可以從我們的政府從我們的整個所有的部會開始做起我們去引進一些比方說國外的一些製作的團隊他們來到台灣來跟我們做一個跨國的合作\n\n07:01.516 --> 07:01.776\n郭昱晴議員\n\n07:16.493 --> 07:16.593\n郭昱晴\n\n07:37.868 --> 07:54.497\n其實這些人員的費用扣除之後可用的餘額真的也不高一級大概就是28萬含稅整體資源來說其實以公視6億的投注來說相對於整個兒少影視影產自需要市場仍然是不足\n\n07:55.963 --> 08:20.770\n雖然6億聽起來很多但是我們也希望其他更沒有被重視到的一些頻道他們也願意來投注這樣子的一個製作的產量我們希望由起點開始今年8月之後我們可以真的把下一次我們再來討論的時候我們能夠支持的這樣子的一個頻率是提高的可以嗎?可以我們一定會努力來做\n\n08:22.330 --> 08:28.579\n接下來本席在這邊其實之前接到了一個跟公共電視共同出品的一個戲劇的陳情叫《不夠善良的我們》我們先來聽一下我們也讓現場的朋友來聽一下聲音的變化\n\n09:12.520 --> 09:13.101\n好,這是第一段再來聽第二段,這裡\n\n10:06.809 --> 10:23.839\n市長有聽出來兩段的差別了嗎?有這個問題其實已經有跟我們反映那這個問題其實在公視這一段它其實沒有特別去控制這個音量它主要是經過有線電視的頻道播出的時候會導致這個音量的變化那通常會大概也有要求就是說有線電的業者應該要先進行音量的測試這樣的調整\n\n10:25.020 --> 10:54.243\n因為這個問題已經存在好幾年了一直到現在其實我們大家都在想我們看到本土很好的戲劇的產出但是聲音是靈魂啊剛剛在第二段因為我們的系統整個所有的均質化的結果就所有聲音全部都大聲起來了變成雜音很多變成我們原本應該要聽到的一些所謂的戲劇的精髓我們應該要呈現出來什麼樣的一個整個所有藝術上的一個表現真的被大打折扣了\n\n10:54.463 --> 10:55.204\n謝謝委員謝謝主席好謝謝謝謝郭昱晴\n\n","segments":[{"start":8.28,"end":11.89,"text":"主席好 有請王次長好 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