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00:02:26,244\n剛畢業的青年還有這個我們的這個二度就業婦女還有中高齡中壯世代我們叫壯世代的就業重返職場努力那我們都是有一些計畫我們大部分的計畫都是三年期三年期那你投資青年就業我記得去年我們去年第二期上路有我們去年的推介的就業已經20萬人\n\n7\n00:02:28,525 --> 00:02:39,310\n二十萬人然後我們的失業率降到8.01所以這個是有顯著的效果出來那另外就是我們的\n\n8\n00:02:41,178 --> 00:03:05,649\n父女的二度就業這個部分我們也是三年的計畫在做一些協助包括最近也針對壯世代我們希望在三年內壯世代的是今年大概剛上路也希望能夠在這三年內能夠增加30萬的人力到我們的就業市場來所以這個\n\n9\n00:03:08,110 --> 00:03:10,453\n所以如果一季一季看是相對時間太短,看不出他這個服務的變化\n\n10\n00:03:26,129 --> 00:03:54,068\n對那以第二個需求量多的就是住宿跟餐飲業那我們也知道04、03臺花蓮發生了大地震我不曉得這個地震對於相對這種需求怎麼去評估它的影響因為我們也看到媒體說其實花蓮目前的影響是蠻明顯的那這部分不曉得布里有沒有針對這個特殊的事件在因應的時候有哪一些的作為\n\n11\n00:03:54,488 --> 00:04:11,284\n我們現在其實就是有一個專案小組就是我們的發展署在北分署那邊針對花蓮七大措施來做一些協助那包括他這邊的\n\n12\n00:04:12,325 --> 00:04:14,267\n有兩家目前只有兩家他是大量解雇\n\n13\n00:04:40,285 --> 00:05:05,100\n那這些人力說實在的一下子如果說你要轉業是到別的縣市去他也不容易啦所以我們就是就地來安置找工作機會給他所以這個部分我們都有持續在做一些對策的研擬然後希望能夠達到這個協助的效果如果當地的產業剛好也有需求\n\n14\n00:05:06,861 --> 00:05:11,222\n我們有幫他行銷啊。行銷權,台灣請這些好朋友來支持。這些三星人士來採購,沒辦法去那邊旅遊,但是可以用網購來支持他們的產業。\n\n15\n00:05:28,988 --> 00:05:53,962\n是是結果有初步的成效也能夠讓大眾多了解好那我想我們還是很想要知道說這個國內的缺工的成因那專家學者也做了相關的分析包括說有六大成因會發生國內缺工包括共享經濟出現了一些變化還有低薪薪資的這個待遇不符的期待等等\n\n16\n00:05:54,602 --> 00:06:19,205\n那最後一項就是有關於企業沒有聘用中高齡的勞工那這個我是比較好奇的就是企業不聘用中高齡的勞工他可能的這個因素還有我們在做制定政策的時候可以做哪一些的因應包括如果從政策方向來看的話其實就是三大項一個就是勞動力供給不足\n\n17\n00:06:19,725 --> 00:06:47,091\n一個是工作條件不具有吸引力學用落差跟技能不足那如果以這個企業沒有聘用中高齡勞工來看的話是到底他的工作條件環境具有吸引力呢還是因為他本身借齡以後他的學用落差造成技術不合引起的這些問題那這個在政策的處理部分我們也看到是希望能夠改善這個友善職場要能夠提供好的這個產學雙贏的\n\n18\n00:06:49,893 --> 00:07:08,490\n這些做法不知道除了目前的政策方向以外在執行上有沒有比較能夠讓我們可以看到的一些數據或者是改善?其實這些成因裡面我們覺得我們的了解其實這個薪資待遇的部分占很大的\n\n19\n00:07:09,687 --> 00:07:31,705\n很大的因素很大的比例薪資真的還是偏低還有像契業會聘用中高齡可能環境不友善以外其實很多僱主普遍存在有年齡歧視的問題他一看到是中高齡他就覺得他可能體力各方面可能不足其實在\n\n20\n00:07:32,466 --> 00:07:50,340\n在他的那個體力啊、體能或者這些可能薪資方﹖就是說他的專業需要再﹖技能需要再訓練﹖這個勞動部都可以處理的。我們都有相關資源,比如輔具啊。我們每個人一年有十萬塊喔。是每年不是﹖\n\n21\n00:07:51,041 --> 00:08:12,113\n每年他只要對他工作感上有用的我們有10萬的額度你可以來申請然後像那個整個那個如果專業或技能不足我們也可以培訓所以這個都沒有問題主要是說可能僱主在心態上他沒有講出來啦但是很明顯就是看著引法族就\n\n22\n00:08:13,514 --> 00:08:32,523\n可能就排在第二位了那再來就是薪資還是普遍偏低啦因為現在是市求人嘛那如果一樣的有更好的工作條人往高處爬他如果有好的薪資他為什麼要來這裡所以這個也是可能所有企業主在面對缺工的問題你可能要先看看\n\n23\n00:08:33,523 --> 00:08:50,840\n如果有好的這些壯士袋你也應該可以來考慮使用那體能或者這些各方面需要工作環境需要改善勞動部都可以支持都可以來幫忙都沒有問題但是薪資的部分的確是要再提升\n\n24\n00:08:51,900 --> 00:09:18,893\n所以我們是很希望僱主能夠針對自己的需求缺工的同時也能夠改善他自己內部的環境讓我們這些中高齡者有意願能夠進到這個職場來因為相較於世界各國我們真的是相對落後很多我們不知道在以韓國為例跟日本為例你看這個60歲以上的在\n\n25\n00:09:20,034 --> 00:09:20,174\n我們現在在努力\n\n26\n00:09:37,114 --> 00:09:59,490\n就是我們用壯士代來代替這個忠告領告,就是希望大家不要把它有年齡歧視,他們還是很優秀的。然後我們其實希望這樣又透過各種計畫來把這個勞參與能夠提升。是,那我們有沒有跟這些國家有哪一些的交流或者是能夠掌握他們的一些。都有去考察過。\n\n27\n00:10:01,271 --> 00:10:25,397\n這幾年是因為疫情,不然以前都有考察,那沒有我們也都會搜尋他相關的資訊是,那希望我們有機會能夠繼續改善這部分那其實這個補助申請數相對可能申請人多可是能夠媒合的人相對就不夠這個是希望能夠來繼續努力的那最後來請教一下\n\n28\n00:10:26,477 --> 00:10:54,328\n怎麼去搶人留才這樣的這個問題我們知道目前的這個移工人數相對是多的我們看下面一個資料可以發現說我們有蠻多的這個移工是在臺灣他們也根據一些規定能夠持續在臺灣貢獻他們的力量比如說如果移工在臺工作滿6年以上他就可以能夠做一些改變然後繼續留在臺灣\n\n29\n00:10:55,348 --> 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是 結果有初步的成效也能夠讓大眾多了解好 那我想我們還是很想要知道說這個國內的缺工的成因那專家學者也做了相關的分析包括說有六大成因會發生國內缺工包括共享經濟出現了一些變化還有低薪薪資的這個待遇不符的期待等等\n那最後一項就是有關於企業沒有聘用中高齡的勞工那這個我是比較好奇的就是企業不聘用中高齡的勞工他可能的這個因素還有我們在做制定政策的時候可以做哪一些的因應包括如果從政策方向來看的話其實就是三大項一個就是勞動力供給不足\n一個是工作條件不具有吸引力學用落差跟技能不足那如果以這個企業沒有聘用中高齡勞工來看的話是到底他的工作條件環境具有吸引力呢還是因為他本身借齡以後他的學用落差造成技術不合引起的這些問題那這個在政策的處理部分我們也看到是希望能夠改善這個友善職場要能夠提供好的這個產學雙贏的\n這些做法不知道除了目前的政策方向以外在執行上有沒有比較能夠讓我們可以看到的一些數據或者是改善?其實這些成因裡面我們覺得我們的了解其實這個薪資待遇的部分占很大的\n很大的因素很大的比例薪資真的還是偏低還有像契業會聘用中高齡可能環境不友善以外其實很多僱主普遍存在有年齡歧視的問題他一看到是中高齡他就覺得他可能體力各方面可能不足其實在\n在他的那個體力啊、體能或者這些可能薪資方﹖就是說他的專業需要再﹖技能需要再訓練﹖這個勞動部都可以處理的。我們都有相關資源,比如輔具啊。我們每個人一年有十萬塊喔。是每年不是﹖\n每年他只要對他工作感上有用的我們有10萬的額度你可以來申請然後像那個整個那個如果專業或技能不足我們也可以培訓所以這個都沒有問題主要是說可能僱主在心態上他沒有講出來啦但是很明顯就是看著引法族就\n可能就排在第二位了那再來就是薪資還是普遍偏低啦因為現在是市求人嘛那如果一樣的有更好的工作條人往高處爬他如果有好的薪資他為什麼要來這裡所以這個也是可能所有企業主在面對缺工的問題你可能要先看看\n如果有好的這些壯士袋你也應該可以來考慮使用那體能或者這些各方面需要工作環境需要改善勞動部都可以支持都可以來幫忙都沒有問題但是薪資的部分的確是要再提升\n所以我們是很希望僱主能夠針對自己的需求缺工的同時也能夠改善他自己內部的環境讓我們這些中高齡者有意願能夠進到這個職場來因為相較於世界各國我們真的是相對落後很多我們不知道在以韓國為例跟日本為例你看這個60歲以上的在\n我們現在在努力\n就是我們用壯士代來代替這個忠告領告,就是希望大家不要把它有年齡歧視,他們還是很優秀的。然後我們其實希望這樣又透過各種計畫來把這個勞參與能夠提升。是,那我們有沒有跟這些國家有哪一些的交流或者是能夠掌握他們的一些。都有去考察過。\n這幾年是因為疫情,不然以前都有考察,那沒有我們也都會搜尋他相關的資訊是,那希望我們有機會能夠繼續改善這部分那其實這個補助申請數相對可能申請人多可是能夠媒合的人相對就不夠這個是希望能夠來繼續努力的那最後來請教一下\n怎麼去搶人留才這樣的這個問題我們知道目前的這個移工人數相對是多的我們看下面一個資料可以發現說我們有蠻多的這個移工是在臺灣他們也根據一些規定能夠持續在臺灣貢獻他們的力量比如說如果移工在臺工作滿6年以上他就可以能夠做一些改變然後繼續留在臺灣\n那以目前的這個社福移工就是包括照護等的話有12萬人可是只有1.5萬人他願意申請流財的這個方案這部分問題是出在哪裡如果說他有這個條件留下來他也有意願留下來為什麼他沒有辦法來申請是這個僱主的因素呢或者是我們的仲介的讓我們這樣的這個好\n想要讓這個移工留下來的這個無法促成這樣的成果我們是每個月統計每個月大概都有一千人接近兩千接近兩千就是產業跟社福分別他大概合計大概有兩千人然後社福是佔了三分之二社福比較多轉任的比較多那他當然會錄因為我們這是八年計畫到2030我們準備\n14萬,就是所有的移工郵載9月14萬,那其實以現在的,我們都已經超標了,我們其實照理說我們上路還不到兩年,我們其實一般來講我們大概希望一年一萬,我們不到兩年,現在已經兩萬五千多了,到三月底,是遠遠超標,那當時他的申請是會陸陸續續,\n好,那很希望這樣的方案可以拿到發揮他的責任。好,謝謝部長,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.129\n請徐部長\n\n00:18.171 --> 00:47.253\n法務委員好部長好剛剛透過很多委員的諮詢、發言還有我們從社會大眾得到的訊息真的很恭喜部長過去這6年多來對於臺灣不管是在促進這個勞動環境的進步或者是對於我們國家競爭力的提升真的是貢獻良多相信這樣的肯定、希望未來部長也有機會持續的替社會做一些事情\n\n00:48.354 --> 01:09.473\n謝謝委員不過我想大家還是很關心有關於這個國內勞動缺工的這個成因跟有沒有更好的方式來解決這個是我們可以繼續努力的那我再利用這個機會來請教一下部長那其實我們也知道第一季第一季的這個缺工是相對嚴重\n\n01:11.451 --> 01:40.006\n五大業別的人力需求都非常非常的高那現在是第三季嘛應該是第二季所以針對於首季嚴重缺工以後的所做的努力跟原先我們預期要解決的目標有沒有一個相對的成績可以讓我們來多瞭解那再過來我們有沒有根據這個第一季處理的情形要做哪一些的修正或者是改變\n\n01:42.107 --> 02:00.502\n其實報告委員解決缺工的問題其實很多的對策那其實我們都是會以優先媒合國人的就業來針對產業的需求來處理那現在我們其實重點都會先擺在這些青年\n\n02:02.403 --> 02:26.244\n剛畢業的青年還有這個我們的這個二度就業婦女還有中高齡中壯世代我們叫壯世代的就業重返職場努力那我們都是有一些計畫我們大部分的計畫都是三年期三年期那你投資青年就業我記得去年我們去年第二期上路有我們去年的推介的就業已經20萬人\n\n02:28.525 --> 02:39.310\n二十萬人然後我們的失業率降到8.01所以這個是有顯著的效果出來那另外就是我們的\n\n02:41.178 --> 03:05.649\n父女的二度就業這個部分我們也是三年的計畫在做一些協助包括最近也針對壯世代我們希望在三年內壯世代的是今年大概剛上路也希望能夠在這三年內能夠增加30萬的人力到我們的就業市場來所以這個\n\n03:08.110 --> 03:10.453\n所以如果一季一季看是相對時間太短,看不出他這個服務的變化\n\n03:26.129 --> 03:54.068\n對那以第二個需求量多的就是住宿跟餐飲業那我們也知道04、03臺花蓮發生了大地震我不曉得這個地震對於相對這種需求怎麼去評估它的影響因為我們也看到媒體說其實花蓮目前的影響是蠻明顯的那這部分不曉得布里有沒有針對這個特殊的事件在因應的時候有哪一些的作為\n\n03:54.488 --> 04:11.284\n我們現在其實就是有一個專案小組就是我們的發展署在北分署那邊針對花蓮七大措施來做一些協助那包括他這邊的\n\n04:12.325 --> 04:14.267\n有兩家目前只有兩家他是大量解雇\n\n04:40.285 --> 05:05.100\n那這些人力說實在的一下子如果說你要轉業是到別的縣市去他也不容易啦所以我們就是就地來安置找工作機會給他所以這個部分我們都有持續在做一些對策的研擬然後希望能夠達到這個協助的效果如果當地的產業剛好也有需求\n\n05:06.861 --> 05:11.222\n我們有幫他行銷啊。行銷權,台灣請這些好朋友來支持。這些三星人士來採購,沒辦法去那邊旅遊,但是可以用網購來支持他們的產業。\n\n05:28.988 --> 05:53.962\n是是結果有初步的成效也能夠讓大眾多了解好那我想我們還是很想要知道說這個國內的缺工的成因那專家學者也做了相關的分析包括說有六大成因會發生國內缺工包括共享經濟出現了一些變化還有低薪薪資的這個待遇不符的期待等等\n\n05:54.602 --> 06:19.205\n那最後一項就是有關於企業沒有聘用中高齡的勞工那這個我是比較好奇的就是企業不聘用中高齡的勞工他可能的這個因素還有我們在做制定政策的時候可以做哪一些的因應包括如果從政策方向來看的話其實就是三大項一個就是勞動力供給不足\n\n06:19.725 --> 06:47.091\n一個是工作條件不具有吸引力學用落差跟技能不足那如果以這個企業沒有聘用中高齡勞工來看的話是到底他的工作條件環境具有吸引力呢還是因為他本身借齡以後他的學用落差造成技術不合引起的這些問題那這個在政策的處理部分我們也看到是希望能夠改善這個友善職場要能夠提供好的這個產學雙贏的\n\n06:49.893 --> 07:08.490\n這些做法不知道除了目前的政策方向以外在執行上有沒有比較能夠讓我們可以看到的一些數據或者是改善?其實這些成因裡面我們覺得我們的了解其實這個薪資待遇的部分占很大的\n\n07:09.687 --> 07:31.705\n很大的因素很大的比例薪資真的還是偏低還有像契業會聘用中高齡可能環境不友善以外其實很多僱主普遍存在有年齡歧視的問題他一看到是中高齡他就覺得他可能體力各方面可能不足其實在\n\n07:32.466 --> 07:50.340\n在他的那個體力啊、體能或者這些可能薪資方﹖就是說他的專業需要再﹖技能需要再訓練﹖這個勞動部都可以處理的。我們都有相關資源,比如輔具啊。我們每個人一年有十萬塊喔。是每年不是﹖\n\n07:51.041 --> 08:12.113\n每年他只要對他工作感上有用的我們有10萬的額度你可以來申請然後像那個整個那個如果專業或技能不足我們也可以培訓所以這個都沒有問題主要是說可能僱主在心態上他沒有講出來啦但是很明顯就是看著引法族就\n\n08:13.514 --> 08:32.523\n可能就排在第二位了那再來就是薪資還是普遍偏低啦因為現在是市求人嘛那如果一樣的有更好的工作條人往高處爬他如果有好的薪資他為什麼要來這裡所以這個也是可能所有企業主在面對缺工的問題你可能要先看看\n\n08:33.523 --> 08:50.840\n如果有好的這些壯士袋你也應該可以來考慮使用那體能或者這些各方面需要工作環境需要改善勞動部都可以支持都可以來幫忙都沒有問題但是薪資的部分的確是要再提升\n\n08:51.900 --> 09:18.893\n所以我們是很希望僱主能夠針對自己的需求缺工的同時也能夠改善他自己內部的環境讓我們這些中高齡者有意願能夠進到這個職場來因為相較於世界各國我們真的是相對落後很多我們不知道在以韓國為例跟日本為例你看這個60歲以上的在\n\n09:20.034 --> 09:20.174\n我們現在在努力\n\n09:37.114 --> 09:59.490\n就是我們用壯士代來代替這個忠告領告,就是希望大家不要把它有年齡歧視,他們還是很優秀的。然後我們其實希望這樣又透過各種計畫來把這個勞參與能夠提升。是,那我們有沒有跟這些國家有哪一些的交流或者是能夠掌握他們的一些。都有去考察過。\n\n10:01.271 --> 10:25.397\n這幾年是因為疫情,不然以前都有考察,那沒有我們也都會搜尋他相關的資訊是,那希望我們有機會能夠繼續改善這部分那其實這個補助申請數相對可能申請人多可是能夠媒合的人相對就不夠這個是希望能夠來繼續努力的那最後來請教一下\n\n10:26.477 --> 10:54.328\n怎麼去搶人留才這樣的這個問題我們知道目前的這個移工人數相對是多的我們看下面一個資料可以發現說我們有蠻多的這個移工是在臺灣他們也根據一些規定能夠持續在臺灣貢獻他們的力量比如說如果移工在臺工作滿6年以上他就可以能夠做一些改變然後繼續留在臺灣\n\n10:55.348 --> 11:21.917\n那以目前的這個社福移工就是包括照護等的話有12萬人可是只有1.5萬人他願意申請流財的這個方案這部分問題是出在哪裡如果說他有這個條件留下來他也有意願留下來為什麼他沒有辦法來申請是這個僱主的因素呢或者是我們的仲介的讓我們這樣的這個好\n\n11:23.858 --> 11:50.614\n想要讓這個移工留下來的這個無法促成這樣的成果我們是每個月統計每個月大概都有一千人接近兩千接近兩千就是產業跟社福分別他大概合計大概有兩千人然後社福是佔了三分之二社福比較多轉任的比較多那他當然會錄因為我們這是八年計畫到2030我們準備\n\n11:54.277 --> 12:15.533\n14萬,就是所有的移工郵載9月14萬,那其實以現在的,我們都已經超標了,我們其實照理說我們上路還不到兩年,我們其實一般來講我們大概希望一年一萬,我們不到兩年,現在已經兩萬五千多了,到三月底,是遠遠超標,那當時他的申請是會陸陸續續,\n\n12:17.614 --> 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