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00:05:52,995\n吳沛憶\n\n18\n00:06:19,963 --> 00:06:25,145\n已經進行了10年多了這個計畫也是支持了我們非常多臺灣重要的表藝團體不過我希望我們能夠要有一個持續的能夠來去支持新興的表演藝術這樣相應的計畫\n\n19\n00:06:36,328 --> 00:06:45,736\n因為我們過去的這個臺灣品牌團隊計畫我看長期以來它比較集中在幾個類型的表演藝術所以這部分我希望我們文化部像這一次我們帶團體到巴黎的文化奧運去演出我覺得也就是一個很好的嘗試給予他們一個舞台但是平常的長期的這個培育我想也是非常的重要這部分我希望文化部可以一起來支持\n\n20\n00:07:01,109 --> 00:07:01,129\n吳沛憶議員\n\n21\n00:07:16,637 --> 00:07:16,657\n吳沛憶議員\n\n22\n00:07:56,843 --> 00:08:04,166\n是台灣品牌的出海我們走進國際市場或者是我們來引入國際資源這個也是我們現在在推動我們的兒少台兒少節目兒少節目內容很重要的一點所以在你們報告當中也有提到說除了文化部文策院也有來支持我們本土的這些兒少節目的內容例如說動畫的產出希望能夠有機會來出海跟國際來連結但我現在看到我們目前\n\n23\n00:08:25,234 --> 00:08:28,016\n我們的這個兒少台我們的目標是時數從326個小時要增加到362個小時的節目然後黑潮計畫要投注6億但是這樣的預算規模我們如果跟幾個其他國家比起來來說以這個我們公共電視台的總預算我們先不講這6億總預算來講我們這個規模其實差距仍然是相當之大\n\n24\n00:08:50,529 --> 00:08:56,372\n例如說英國的BBC一年的經費投入在公共電視台的投入是2000多億台幣那日本的NHK是等於一年大概是7000億的日元也大概是2000億的台幣這是我們公視的110倍以韓國來說\n\n25\n00:09:08,038 --> 00:09:25,556\n韓國大概也有台灣的將近要20倍所以雖然我們現在黑潮計畫多投入了6億這個很重要但仍然是一個很困難的挑戰所以說在我們的這個節目製作裡面我看下來我們其實有兩個策略一個是本土自治\n\n26\n00:09:26,656 --> 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you這個獎項獻給台灣但是我們要怎麼樣去孕育更多我們本土的藝術家每一個藝術家在走上國際的舞台在成為台灣之光之前都有一個很長期培養奮鬥的過程我們政府千萬不可以是他已經是台灣之光了我們才來去\n329568\t329588\t吳沛憶\n352975\t352995\t吳沛憶\n379963\t385145\t已經進行了10年多了這個計畫也是支持了我們非常多臺灣重要的表藝團體不過我希望我們能夠要有一個持續的能夠來去支持新興的表演藝術這樣相應的計畫\n396328\t405736\t因為我們過去的這個臺灣品牌團隊計畫我看長期以來它比較集中在幾個類型的表演藝術所以這部分我希望我們文化部像這一次我們帶團體到巴黎的文化奧運去演出我覺得也就是一個很好的嘗試給予他們一個舞台但是平常的長期的這個培育我想也是非常的重要這部分我希望文化部可以一起來支持\n421109\t421129\t吳沛憶議員\n436637\t436657\t吳沛憶議員\n460947\t476783\t﹝討論﹞\n476843\t484166\t是台灣品牌的出海我們走進國際市場或者是我們來引入國際資源這個也是我們現在在推動我們的兒少台兒少節目兒少節目內容很重要的一點所以在你們報告當中也有提到說除了文化部文策院也有來支持我們本土的這些兒少節目的內容例如說動畫的產出希望能夠有機會來出海跟國際來連結但我現在看到我們目前\n505234\t508016\t我們的這個兒少台我們的目標是時數從326個小時要增加到362個小時的節目然後黑潮計畫要投注6億但是這樣的預算規模我們如果跟幾個其他國家比起來來說以這個我們公共電視台的總預算我們先不講這6億總預算來講我們這個規模其實差距仍然是相當之大\n530529\t536372\t例如說英國的BBC一年的經費投入在公共電視台的投入是2000多億台幣那日本的NHK是等於一年大概是7000億的日元也大概是2000億的台幣這是我們公視的110倍以韓國來說\n548038\t565556\t韓國大概也有台灣的將近要20倍所以雖然我們現在黑潮計畫多投入了6億這個很重要但仍然是一個很困難的挑戰所以說在我們的這個節目製作裡面我看下來我們其實有兩個策略一個是本土自治\n566656\t566676\t﹝講解﹞\n596736\t600398\t我想公視會有一個時數比例的一個規劃不過整體來說其實台灣在現在兒少女適應的產制上來說是整體的量能不足\n617445\t641944\t與其說談到時數比例的規劃部說先增強整體的量能因為不管是哪一種其他的量能都是不足的我們比較期待的是除了自製、偽製同時也透過富裕跟民間來合作提高台灣本土自己自製的量包括跟台灣自己的IP來做合作讓這些IP可以成為台灣動畫或者是戲劇的一部分那另外在國際的部分在現在因為\n642805\t645066\t目前的規劃是這樣那如果是公視的比例上的規劃我想可以請公視會後再提供給委員做參考\n669741\t694395\t好 因為不管是本土自治還是跟國際IP合作就剛剛次長講到人才就都是最重要的根本因為我們有人才我們這個產業才有辦法長期的發展所以我希望不管是文化部還是我們文策院相關的計畫人才的培育一定都是我們非常重要的重點那最後是一個建議因為我們文化部有關兒童相關的業務除了我們現在講的公共電視台小公視以外\n696576\t702519\t我們有國家兒童未來館也在籌備當中我們有很多表演藝術工作者專門是兒童劇團甚至例如說各縣市政府我們台北市每一個行政區也都有兒童館我覺得我們應該有一個整體相關的布局跟規劃例如說在我們自己的場館裡面\n714645\t714665\t謝謝吳沛憶\n","txt":"謝謝主席,我請文化部次長好,請王次長\n委員好 次長好 我們台灣的變裝皇后尼菲亞尼菲亞在我們這個世界國際的RuPaul這個比賽當中奪冠那是史上的第一人也打破了這個節目13季以來的這個亞洲魔咒那我們小英總統第一時間也到社群台上面去給她祝賀\n其中就提到說變裝皇后這是一個非常不容易的藝術恭喜她的成就以及勇敢的做自己那文化部的臉書也發表了一篇文章那現在最新的消息是傳出我們文化部因為今年有參與巴黎的文化奧運我們有一個台灣館也會邀請尼菲亞來到現場去演出嗎目前的規劃是怎麼樣\n是,因為我們這一次巴黎的這個奧運有一個文化奧運的項目那台灣也有參與那所以呢我們也有邀請了非常多的團體我們邀請了22個團體,超過120個人進行現場的演出那其中呢有一個位就是尼菲亞\n其實對於台灣的文化藝術表演團體能夠出海能夠在國際的舞台上面讓更多人看見我想這是對我們台灣的本土文化界來說是一個非常重要的一個舞台那今年的巴黎文化奧運它總共是有幾個國家的場館那整個目前接洽籌備的進度過程是怎麼樣\n吳沛憶議員\n﹚吳沛憶﹚吳沛憶\n吳沛憶議員\n吳沛憶\n有馬電子花車運過去嗎?\n我本來很想運但是因為有觸犯到我們的法規因為會變成進口車輛所以後來沒有運但我們在透過設計讓現場呈現在台灣的廟城前電子花車展開演出的樣子就是我們大家最熟悉一輛很厲害像那個機器人一樣電子花車一旦打開之後的那樣的演出那在整個演出的主題上我們大概分成四項比較大的主題第一個當然就是自由之神希望大家看見台灣因為自由民主而有的多元那另外就是島嶼風華就是以台灣的\n以這四大概念下去做規劃﹖\n所以邀請的團體超過20個團體目前大概22個團體大概123個人是表演者會跟我們出去所以包括樂團、舞團、戲劇DJ然後變裝皇后這一類的演出都會在台灣的舞台上看到\n我想法國用國家的力量來投入文化奧運除了說藝術的交流本身就有其非常重要高貴的價值以外這也是一個很好的文化外交所以我們其實也非常的謝謝寧菲因為她在整個比賽的過程當中她多次提到說她很希望能夠透過她自己的表現讓世界看見台灣的文化以及看見台灣我們珍貴民主自由的價值\n在領獎的時候他說台灣This is for you這個獎項獻給台灣但是我們要怎麼樣去孕育更多我們本土的藝術家每一個藝術家在走上國際的舞台在成為台灣之光之前都有一個很長期培養奮鬥的過程我們政府千萬不可以是他已經是台灣之光了我們才來去\n吳沛憶\n吳沛憶\n已經進行了10年多了這個計畫也是支持了我們非常多臺灣重要的表藝團體不過我希望我們能夠要有一個持續的能夠來去支持新興的表演藝術這樣相應的計畫\n因為我們過去的這個臺灣品牌團隊計畫我看長期以來它比較集中在幾個類型的表演藝術所以這部分我希望我們文化部像這一次我們帶團體到巴黎的文化奧運去演出我覺得也就是一個很好的嘗試給予他們一個舞台但是平常的長期的這個培育我想也是非常的重要這部分我希望文化部可以一起來支持\n吳沛憶議員\n吳沛憶議員\n﹝討論﹞\n是台灣品牌的出海我們走進國際市場或者是我們來引入國際資源這個也是我們現在在推動我們的兒少台兒少節目兒少節目內容很重要的一點所以在你們報告當中也有提到說除了文化部文策院也有來支持我們本土的這些兒少節目的內容例如說動畫的產出希望能夠有機會來出海跟國際來連結但我現在看到我們目前\n我們的這個兒少台我們的目標是時數從326個小時要增加到362個小時的節目然後黑潮計畫要投注6億但是這樣的預算規模我們如果跟幾個其他國家比起來來說以這個我們公共電視台的總預算我們先不講這6億總預算來講我們這個規模其實差距仍然是相當之大\n例如說英國的BBC一年的經費投入在公共電視台的投入是2000多億台幣那日本的NHK是等於一年大概是7000億的日元也大概是2000億的台幣這是我們公視的110倍以韓國來說\n韓國大概也有台灣的將近要20倍所以雖然我們現在黑潮計畫多投入了6億這個很重要但仍然是一個很困難的挑戰所以說在我們的這個節目製作裡面我看下來我們其實有兩個策略一個是本土自治\n﹝講解﹞\n我想公視會有一個時數比例的一個規劃不過整體來說其實台灣在現在兒少女適應的產制上來說是整體的量能不足\n與其說談到時數比例的規劃部說先增強整體的量能因為不管是哪一種其他的量能都是不足的我們比較期待的是除了自製、偽製同時也透過富裕跟民間來合作提高台灣本土自己自製的量包括跟台灣自己的IP來做合作讓這些IP可以成為台灣動畫或者是戲劇的一部分那另外在國際的部分在現在因為\n目前的規劃是這樣那如果是公視的比例上的規劃我想可以請公視會後再提供給委員做參考\n好 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