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琳：好，瞭解。"],["王次長時思：但是我想讓媒體進行媒體的自我反省跟檢視是最好的方法。"],["張委員雅琳：好，那我就等公視提供給我的報告，謝謝。"],["王次長時思：謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝張雅琳委員。","主席在此宣告一下，剛剛一開始有說在范雲委員之後處理臨時提案，因為質詢順序有調動，所以我們就在陳培瑜委員質詢後處理臨時提案。"],["主席（張委員雅琳代）：有請林宜瑾委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":374,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-9","speakers":["林宜瑾","洪孟楷","柯志恩","萬美玲","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","陳秀寳","吳沛憶","張雅琳","吳春城","葉元之","陳培瑜","何欣純","鄭天財Sra 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00:02:26,732\n這個就要請我們繼續來做一些設定那再來就是說這個其實像剛剛講的就是多元性其實台灣有很多的孩子也是來自於不同的國家那像美國他這樣這個Dora是非常有名的一個卡通那這個小孩本身是拉丁裔的那他們還有另外一個卡通叫Arthur也是一個非常有名的那裡面的一個他好朋友的角色是來自於越南所以我覺得這個東西除了我們剛剛講的\n\n7\n00:02:27,933 --> 00:02:28,113\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n\n8\n00:02:48,015 --> 00:03:04,088\n但是我看到這一次兒少台的報告裡面有講就是說在學齡前學齡跟青少年的比例都是在一個蠻持平的標準所以這個部分也是我要給公視的一個肯定那接下來我們就要進入比較挑戰的部分了\n\n9\n00:03:04,868 --> 00:03:33,285\n就是說我們現在在公視的兒少資源網裡面我們的教案目前你可以看到基本上是沒有多元語言的教案我們大概就只有一個雙語教育可是根據國家語言發展法第13條第2項政府捐贈從事傳播制裁團法人應提供國家語言的多元服務也就是說公視是有振興國家語言那個法定義務的那我知道公視當然是說它有台語台跟客語台但是為什麼我們今天要做兒少台\n\n10\n00:03:34,085 --> 00:03:50,032\n就是因為我們認為就是兒少有需要的一些專門的節目那也就在於說語言這件事情母語的保存其實是小時候來學是最好的所以我們要提早來接觸所以我希望在這個部分我們是不是可以來規劃多元語言的教材呢\n\n11\n00:03:52,222 --> 00:04:11,101\n跟委員做說明大概幾件事情第一個就是針對多語的部分其實公視也有展開在這一次兒少頻道成立以後它就有展開所謂新著名的兒少產制所以的確會特別重視所謂新著名不同種族的語言來運用那甚至公視現在已經投入在積極策劃就是以越南語的發音來規劃一檔節目\n\n12\n00:04:12,922 --> 00:04:39,473\n這是第一個那第二個就是在兒少資源網的這個部分那因為它當時製作的時候這個部分是for教案所以它並沒有支持多語的就是說它是提供老師們作為一個參考跟輔助性的教材那如果要有多語的這個搭配的話大概又要有其他的規劃來進行那這部分我想會請公視來研議有沒有機會讓它的教案在未來可以有更多語言的搭配使得不同的老師們可以來做使用\n\n13\n00:04:40,293 --> 00:05:02,141\n這個可不可以有一些相關的報告如果研議的話有個結果的話可以提供給我們辦公室但是大概多久的時候可以提供呢我們可以在這個一個月之內來提供沒問題好那接下來我們就要來看兒少這一次的這個節目在徵案的時候呢招標不順有三個節目目前是沒有招標出去的分別是這個一個是2345有兩個是2340萬的一個是1170萬的節目\n\n14\n00:05:07,003 --> 00:05:23,693\n那其中喔就是說其實兒少版的留言追追追啊其實是一個我們在報告裡面說是IP的一個節目那我就很想知道一個IP節目為什麼我們會招標不出去是預算不夠嗎因為他預算好像跟別人比起來比較低還是說我們現在廠商的量能不足\n\n15\n00:05:24,734 --> 00:05:40,361\n其實跟委員剛其實已經有說出真實的情況大概有兩個部分第一個就是台灣整體的市場上的量能其實製作沒有這麼多製作所謂的兒少飲適應的在目前為止其實還沒有培育出這麼多的團隊那第二個就是說在經驗上面這個因為\n\n16\n00:05:41,321 --> 00:05:56,528\n的節目形態很多是比較有創新的類型像新住民母語的學習啊好像這一類比較是創新的做法所以也未見得他們有經驗那但是因為對公視來說接下來還是會用其他的方法來進行不管是說跟業界來做討論來做\n\n17\n00:05:58,649 --> 00:05:59,029\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n\n18\n00:06:23,582 --> 00:06:23,863\n我想這個公視的表達說明\n\n19\n00:06:39,758 --> 00:06:40,338\n自治和合資的方式來補足\n\n20\n00:06:54,437 --> 00:07:13,370\n好那我想要再追問一個就是說我看到一個得標廠商是風采這個公司他過去其實做偶像劇的那他現在得標的是叫做親子的棚內談話節目所以我就會很好奇啊像他這樣子一個廠商沒有兒少遊戲沒有兒少節目經驗的他要如何來做這樣子的一個節目\n\n21\n00:07:14,290 --> 00:07:36,581\n因為這個其實不是說把來賓換成大人跟小孩就可以就是一個屬於兒少的節目所以這個部分我覺得可能我想這聽起來公視要去協調來輔導這些廠商的壓力應該是非常沉重所以我覺得這個部分我們可能要來再做一些不同的思考就是說因為剛好提到合制所以我覺得這部分可能也是一個\n\n22\n00:07:37,481 --> 00:07:55,014\n如果我們全部都要自己來協調製作我覺得8月一定會來不及所以合制也許是一個我們要思考的方向所以我想要再問更細節的部分就是說就是自製到底有多少多少是來自於採購我現在在報告裡面是沒有看到但是在2017年的研究裡面是有發現我們自製的節目是過少的\n\n23\n00:07:56,368 --> 00:08:16,720\n所以這個部分因為我們既然講人才富裕所以這個部分一定要達到某一個比例那再來就是說自己自製新節目的時候呢是不是有一些時數的限制畢竟如果重複一直播舊的也不是一件好事啦所以這是不是有相關的規定第三個就是回到剛剛講的我們如果都要直接扣過我們自己協調製作我們是不是可以用另外一個方式來做前測呢\n\n24\n00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:26,759\n他可能我們有一些腳本我們可以先找兒少來評估來做前測來確認這個方向是他喜歡的調整好之後我們再開始做自治這三件事情是我們目前有相關的規劃嗎?\n\n25\n00:08:28,553 --> 00:08:56,514\n跟委員報告對在比如說在節目的前測這是我們標準的SOP作業流程公視的製作節目跟商業台最大不同就是我們會做前測那另外關於這個自製新節目的時數的部分我們的確是有一些比例上的自我期許但也有一些部分希望是能夠跟民間一起來合作發展我們家的兒少產業那這些商務聽起來好像已經有詳細的規劃這些詳細的規劃是不是也可以在兩個禮拜送到我們辦公室\n\n26\n00:08:56,894 --> 00:09:13,615\n好,沒有問題謝謝那再來就是說其實我自己是非常喜歡看兒少節目所以我不知道次長跟董事長有沒有看過這兩個節目因為像《海洋日記》其實是你們自己過去跟民間合制嘛那這兩個產品作品都得到了德國慕尼黑國際兒少雙年展\n\n27\n00:09:14,336 --> 00:09:29,550\n甚至也有得到美國內華達成的野生動物及風景電影節最佳兒童影片所以這兩個其實都是蠻不錯的一個作品所以我會希望就是說因為我看到你們的計畫也有說要跟富邦文教基金會來去做合作那我不太確定現在規劃的一個跟他們洽談的一個時程是什麼因為我覺得這都是兩個已經在網路上面\n\n28\n00:09:34,654 --> 00:09:35,014\n主持人張雅琳\n\n29\n00:09:45,067 --> 00:10:12,527\n我們跟富邦文教基金會以及其他的民間過去有這類經驗的都在進行討論那富邦的部分我們前一段時間也進行了一些討論那具體的部分是不是請說明一下其實富邦文教基金會他現在一直在做兒少IP賦育的這個計畫那其實他賦育出來很好的IP我們就會一起跟他合作把它做成節目這是我們現在一直持續在進行的所以除了這個之外我們後續還有新的節目可以推出\n\n30\n00:10:13,087 --> 00:10:28,642\n所以目前已經跟對方聯繫了嗎?對,是的因為我收到的資訊好像不是這樣所以這個我們會後詳細討論好不好那再來就是說我希望就是因為要做得上節目我只有靠公視自己真的是太辛苦了所以我們一定要做到公司協力這件事情\n\n31\n00:10:29,662 --> 00:10:58,275\n再來我最後的一個建議是說我們兒少台節目製作的建議一定要有一定程度比例的外部兒少的專業團體來參與前面的內部發想參與前面的測試再來就是說我們當然現在可能沒有那麼多廠商但是我覺得就是我們如果可以讓有更多的兒少專家在民間團體和民間團體的諮詢參與我們其實就能夠把關這個品質是不是符合兒少的需求因為畢竟六億不是小錢我們要照顧到兒童我們還是要回應到是不是他們的喜好\n\n32\n00:10:59,925 --> 00:11:23,979\n抱歉我再用最後一分鐘講一件事情就是說我想我們台灣人所有人集體的共識對於228的一個態度應該都是一個悲傷而且緬懷而且沉痛反思的一個態度我相信次長應該是非常認同這是我看到我現在只要搜尋228我們搜尋到相關報導都是在紀念\n\n33\n00:11:25,020 --> 00:11:51,609\n但是呢那再加上我們其實有非常多的過半的民眾其實也是支持這個所謂的轉型正義喔但是我看到TurnPlus在連續兩年的228都在做蔣介石的legacy我當然認為就是說我們要去來討論蔣介石的一個功與過不是不可以但是我們要在228這一天做這件事情嗎\n\n34\n00:11:53,086 --> 00:11:53,266\n我想...\n\n35\n00:12:21,409 --> 00:12:50,206\n面對台灣的歷史是所有台灣人共同的責任跟義務那尤其透過這些紀念目的不只是悲傷更重要的事情是獲得前進跟堅決支持民主的力量所以究竟在整個國際的媒體呈現上台灣要呈現什麼樣的國際面貌我想讓公視台灣plus有更深層的思考根據台灣主體性的思考我想這是必要的所以我想這些內容我們就讓台灣plus來做\n\n36\n00:12:51,568 --> 00:12:51,969\n臺灣Plus\n\n37\n00:13:02,313 --> 00:13:28,509\n跟委員報告我們大概統計了一下從開台到現在針對轉型正義做的大概55則相關的新聞跟報導那麼委員所談的這個部分我們相關的部分我們後續會做檢討再跟您提送報告沒有問題對因為我想這個重點是說我們當然平常都有做很多轉型正義可是我們在228這一天耶這一天做這件事情是不恰當的吧市長你同意嗎?董事長你同意嗎?\n\n38\n00:13:29,787 --> 00:13:30,247\n好,謝謝張雅琳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9076\t20425\t謝謝主席 我們有請次長好 有請王次長抱歉 有請一下董事長 謝謝有請胡董事長\n25769\t47150\t首先我要花一點時間來恭喜我們這次變裝皇后尼菲亞得到一個盧寶羅變裝皇后節目的冠軍那她也即將代表剛剛佩玉委員說的巴黎文化奧運那為什麼用這個時間來說這件事情其實是我想除了很多人現場看過她表演的人我想還有很多人都是透過三年前公視的我的閨蜜\n48351\t48431\t﹚張雅琳﹚\n72894\t92039\t接下來就要講我們現在的兒少節目的一個角色的多元性就是我們看了一下2017年陳正昌教授做的一個全球兒少節目性別在線研究的時候是有發現說台灣目前的兒少節目裡面其實我們好像主要的角色\n92819\t94380\t我想這個方向一定可以來繼續努力\n121615\t146732\t這個就要請我們繼續來做一些設定那再來就是說這個其實像剛剛講的就是多元性其實台灣有很多的孩子也是來自於不同的國家那像美國他這樣這個Dora是非常有名的一個卡通那這個小孩本身是拉丁裔的那他們還有另外一個卡通叫Arthur也是一個非常有名的那裡面的一個他好朋友的角色是來自於越南所以我覺得這個東西除了我們剛剛講的\n147933\t148113\t﹚張雅琳﹚\n168015\t184088\t但是我看到這一次兒少台的報告裡面有講就是說在學齡前學齡跟青少年的比例都是在一個蠻持平的標準所以這個部分也是我要給公視的一個肯定那接下來我們就要進入比較挑戰的部分了\n184868\t213285\t就是說我們現在在公視的兒少資源網裡面我們的教案目前你可以看到基本上是沒有多元語言的教案我們大概就只有一個雙語教育可是根據國家語言發展法第13條第2項政府捐贈從事傳播制裁團法人應提供國家語言的多元服務也就是說公視是有振興國家語言那個法定義務的那我知道公視當然是說它有台語台跟客語台但是為什麼我們今天要做兒少台\n214085\t230032\t就是因為我們認為就是兒少有需要的一些專門的節目那也就在於說語言這件事情母語的保存其實是小時候來學是最好的所以我們要提早來接觸所以我希望在這個部分我們是不是可以來規劃多元語言的教材呢\n232222\t251101\t跟委員做說明大概幾件事情第一個就是針對多語的部分其實公視也有展開在這一次兒少頻道成立以後它就有展開所謂新著名的兒少產制所以的確會特別重視所謂新著名不同種族的語言來運用那甚至公視現在已經投入在積極策劃就是以越南語的發音來規劃一檔節目\n252922\t279473\t這是第一個那第二個就是在兒少資源網的這個部分那因為它當時製作的時候這個部分是for教案所以它並沒有支持多語的就是說它是提供老師們作為一個參考跟輔助性的教材那如果要有多語的這個搭配的話大概又要有其他的規劃來進行那這部分我想會請公視來研議有沒有機會讓它的教案在未來可以有更多語言的搭配使得不同的老師們可以來做使用\n280293\t302141\t這個可不可以有一些相關的報告如果研議的話有個結果的話可以提供給我們辦公室但是大概多久的時候可以提供呢我們可以在這個一個月之內來提供沒問題好那接下來我們就要來看兒少這一次的這個節目在徵案的時候呢招標不順有三個節目目前是沒有招標出去的分別是這個一個是2345有兩個是2340萬的一個是1170萬的節目\n307003\t323693\t那其中喔就是說其實兒少版的留言追追追啊其實是一個我們在報告裡面說是IP的一個節目那我就很想知道一個IP節目為什麼我們會招標不出去是預算不夠嗎因為他預算好像跟別人比起來比較低還是說我們現在廠商的量能不足\n324734\t340361\t其實跟委員剛其實已經有說出真實的情況大概有兩個部分第一個就是台灣整體的市場上的量能其實製作沒有這麼多製作所謂的兒少飲適應的在目前為止其實還沒有培育出這麼多的團隊那第二個就是說在經驗上面這個因為\n341321\t356528\t的節目形態很多是比較有創新的類型像新住民母語的學習啊好像這一類比較是創新的做法所以也未見得他們有經驗那但是因為對公視來說接下來還是會用其他的方法來進行不管是說跟業界來做討論來做\n358649\t359029\t﹚張雅琳﹚\n383582\t383863\t我想這個公視的表達說明\n399758\t400338\t自治和合資的方式來補足\n414437\t433370\t好 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Plus在連續兩年的228都在做蔣介石的legacy我當然認為就是說我們要去來討論蔣介石的一個功與過不是不可以但是我們要在228這一天做這件事情嗎\n713086\t713266\t我想...\n741409\t770206\t面對台灣的歷史是所有台灣人共同的責任跟義務那尤其透過這些紀念目的不只是悲傷更重要的事情是獲得前進跟堅決支持民主的力量所以究竟在整個國際的媒體呈現上台灣要呈現什麼樣的國際面貌我想讓公視台灣plus有更深層的思考根據台灣主體性的思考我想這是必要的所以我想這些內容我們就讓台灣plus來做\n771568\t771969\t臺灣Plus\n782313\t808509\t跟委員報告我們大概統計了一下從開台到現在針對轉型正義做的大概55則相關的新聞跟報導那麼委員所談的這個部分我們相關的部分我們後續會做檢討再跟您提送報告沒有問題對因為我想這個重點是說我們當然平常都有做很多轉型正義可是我們在228這一天耶這一天做這件事情是不恰當的吧市長你同意嗎?董事長你同意嗎?\n809787\t810247\t好,謝謝張雅琳委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請次長好 有請王次長抱歉 有請一下董事長 謝謝有請胡董事長\n首先我要花一點時間來恭喜我們這次變裝皇后尼菲亞得到一個盧寶羅變裝皇后節目的冠軍那她也即將代表剛剛佩玉委員說的巴黎文化奧運那為什麼用這個時間來說這件事情其實是我想除了很多人現場看過她表演的人我想還有很多人都是透過三年前公視的我的閨蜜\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n接下來就要講我們現在的兒少節目的一個角色的多元性就是我們看了一下2017年陳正昌教授做的一個全球兒少節目性別在線研究的時候是有發現說台灣目前的兒少節目裡面其實我們好像主要的角色\n我想這個方向一定可以來繼續努力\n這個就要請我們繼續來做一些設定那再來就是說這個其實像剛剛講的就是多元性其實台灣有很多的孩子也是來自於不同的國家那像美國他這樣這個Dora是非常有名的一個卡通那這個小孩本身是拉丁裔的那他們還有另外一個卡通叫Arthur也是一個非常有名的那裡面的一個他好朋友的角色是來自於越南所以我覺得這個東西除了我們剛剛講的\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n但是我看到這一次兒少台的報告裡面有講就是說在學齡前學齡跟青少年的比例都是在一個蠻持平的標準所以這個部分也是我要給公視的一個肯定那接下來我們就要進入比較挑戰的部分了\n就是說我們現在在公視的兒少資源網裡面我們的教案目前你可以看到基本上是沒有多元語言的教案我們大概就只有一個雙語教育可是根據國家語言發展法第13條第2項政府捐贈從事傳播制裁團法人應提供國家語言的多元服務也就是說公視是有振興國家語言那個法定義務的那我知道公視當然是說它有台語台跟客語台但是為什麼我們今天要做兒少台\n就是因為我們認為就是兒少有需要的一些專門的節目那也就在於說語言這件事情母語的保存其實是小時候來學是最好的所以我們要提早來接觸所以我希望在這個部分我們是不是可以來規劃多元語言的教材呢\n跟委員做說明大概幾件事情第一個就是針對多語的部分其實公視也有展開在這一次兒少頻道成立以後它就有展開所謂新著名的兒少產制所以的確會特別重視所謂新著名不同種族的語言來運用那甚至公視現在已經投入在積極策劃就是以越南語的發音來規劃一檔節目\n這是第一個那第二個就是在兒少資源網的這個部分那因為它當時製作的時候這個部分是for教案所以它並沒有支持多語的就是說它是提供老師們作為一個參考跟輔助性的教材那如果要有多語的這個搭配的話大概又要有其他的規劃來進行那這部分我想會請公視來研議有沒有機會讓它的教案在未來可以有更多語言的搭配使得不同的老師們可以來做使用\n這個可不可以有一些相關的報告如果研議的話有個結果的話可以提供給我們辦公室但是大概多久的時候可以提供呢我們可以在這個一個月之內來提供沒問題好那接下來我們就要來看兒少這一次的這個節目在徵案的時候呢招標不順有三個節目目前是沒有招標出去的分別是這個一個是2345有兩個是2340萬的一個是1170萬的節目\n那其中喔就是說其實兒少版的留言追追追啊其實是一個我們在報告裡面說是IP的一個節目那我就很想知道一個IP節目為什麼我們會招標不出去是預算不夠嗎因為他預算好像跟別人比起來比較低還是說我們現在廠商的量能不足\n其實跟委員剛其實已經有說出真實的情況大概有兩個部分第一個就是台灣整體的市場上的量能其實製作沒有這麼多製作所謂的兒少飲適應的在目前為止其實還沒有培育出這麼多的團隊那第二個就是說在經驗上面這個因為\n的節目形態很多是比較有創新的類型像新住民母語的學習啊好像這一類比較是創新的做法所以也未見得他們有經驗那但是因為對公視來說接下來還是會用其他的方法來進行不管是說跟業界來做討論來做\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n我想這個公視的表達說明\n自治和合資的方式來補足\n好 那我想要再追問一個就是說我看到一個得標廠商是風采這個公司他過去其實做偶像劇的那他現在得標的是叫做親子的棚內談話節目所以我就會很好奇啊像他這樣子一個廠商沒有兒少遊戲沒有兒少節目經驗的他要如何來做這樣子的一個節目\n因為這個其實不是說把來賓換成大人跟小孩就可以就是一個屬於兒少的節目所以這個部分我覺得可能我想這聽起來公視要去協調來輔導這些廠商的壓力應該是非常沉重所以我覺得這個部分我們可能要來再做一些不同的思考就是說因為剛好提到合制所以我覺得這部分可能也是一個\n如果我們全部都要自己來協調製作我覺得8月一定會來不及所以合制也許是一個我們要思考的方向所以我想要再問更細節的部分就是說就是自製到底有多少多少是來自於採購我現在在報告裡面是沒有看到但是在2017年的研究裡面是有發現我們自製的節目是過少的\n所以這個部分因為我們既然講人才富裕所以這個部分一定要達到某一個比例那再來就是說自己自製新節目的時候呢是不是有一些時數的限制畢竟如果重複一直播舊的也不是一件好事啦所以這是不是有相關的規定第三個就是回到剛剛講的我們如果都要直接扣過我們自己協調製作我們是不是可以用另外一個方式來做前測呢\n他可能我們有一些腳本我們可以先找兒少來評估來做前測來確認這個方向是他喜歡的調整好之後我們再開始做自治這三件事情是我們目前有相關的規劃嗎?\n跟委員報告對在比如說在節目的前測這是我們標準的SOP作業流程公視的製作節目跟商業台最大不同就是我們會做前測那另外關於這個自製新節目的時數的部分我們的確是有一些比例上的自我期許但也有一些部分希望是能夠跟民間一起來合作發展我們家的兒少產業那這些商務聽起來好像已經有詳細的規劃這些詳細的規劃是不是也可以在兩個禮拜送到我們辦公室\n好,沒有問題謝謝那再來就是說其實我自己是非常喜歡看兒少節目所以我不知道次長跟董事長有沒有看過這兩個節目因為像《海洋日記》其實是你們自己過去跟民間合制嘛那這兩個產品作品都得到了德國慕尼黑國際兒少雙年展\n甚至也有得到美國內華達成的野生動物及風景電影節最佳兒童影片所以這兩個其實都是蠻不錯的一個作品所以我會希望就是說因為我看到你們的計畫也有說要跟富邦文教基金會來去做合作那我不太確定現在規劃的一個跟他們洽談的一個時程是什麼因為我覺得這都是兩個已經在網路上面\n主持人 張雅琳\n我們跟富邦文教基金會以及其他的民間過去有這類經驗的都在進行討論那富邦的部分我們前一段時間也進行了一些討論那具體的部分是不是請說明一下其實富邦文教基金會他現在一直在做兒少IP賦育的這個計畫那其實他賦育出來很好的IP我們就會一起跟他合作把它做成節目這是我們現在一直持續在進行的所以除了這個之外我們後續還有新的節目可以推出\n所以目前已經跟對方聯繫了嗎?對,是的因為我收到的資訊好像不是這樣所以這個我們會後詳細討論好不好那再來就是說我希望就是因為要做得上節目我只有靠公視自己真的是太辛苦了所以我們一定要做到公司協力這件事情\n再來我最後的一個建議是說我們兒少台節目製作的建議一定要有一定程度比例的外部兒少的專業團體來參與前面的內部發想參與前面的測試再來就是說我們當然現在可能沒有那麼多廠商但是我覺得就是我們如果可以讓有更多的兒少專家在民間團體和民間團體的諮詢參與我們其實就能夠把關這個品質是不是符合兒少的需求因為畢竟六億不是小錢我們要照顧到兒童我們還是要回應到是不是他們的喜好\n抱歉我再用最後一分鐘講一件事情就是說我想我們台灣人所有人集體的共識對於228的一個態度應該都是一個悲傷而且緬懷而且沉痛反思的一個態度我相信次長應該是非常認同這是我看到我現在只要搜尋228我們搜尋到相關報導都是在紀念\n但是呢 那再加上我們其實有非常多的過半的民眾其實也是支持這個所謂的轉型正義喔但是我看到Turn Plus在連續兩年的228都在做蔣介石的legacy我當然認為就是說我們要去來討論蔣介石的一個功與過不是不可以但是我們要在228這一天做這件事情嗎\n我想...\n面對台灣的歷史是所有台灣人共同的責任跟義務那尤其透過這些紀念目的不只是悲傷更重要的事情是獲得前進跟堅決支持民主的力量所以究竟在整個國際的媒體呈現上台灣要呈現什麼樣的國際面貌我想讓公視台灣plus有更深層的思考根據台灣主體性的思考我想這是必要的所以我想這些內容我們就讓台灣plus來做\n臺灣Plus\n跟委員報告我們大概統計了一下從開台到現在針對轉型正義做的大概55則相關的新聞跟報導那麼委員所談的這個部分我們相關的部分我們後續會做檢討再跟您提送報告沒有問題對因為我想這個重點是說我們當然平常都有做很多轉型正義可是我們在228這一天耶這一天做這件事情是不恰當的吧市長你同意嗎?董事長你同意嗎?\n好,謝謝張雅琳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.076 --> 00:20.425\n謝謝主席我們有請次長好有請王次長抱歉有請一下董事長謝謝有請胡董事長\n\n00:25.769 --> 00:47.150\n首先我要花一點時間來恭喜我們這次變裝皇后尼菲亞得到一個盧寶羅變裝皇后節目的冠軍那她也即將代表剛剛佩玉委員說的巴黎文化奧運那為什麼用這個時間來說這件事情其實是我想除了很多人現場看過她表演的人我想還有很多人都是透過三年前公視的我的閨蜜\n\n00:48.351 --> 00:48.431\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n\n01:12.894 --> 01:32.039\n接下來就要講我們現在的兒少節目的一個角色的多元性就是我們看了一下2017年陳正昌教授做的一個全球兒少節目性別在線研究的時候是有發現說台灣目前的兒少節目裡面其實我們好像主要的角色\n\n01:32.819 --> 01:34.380\n我想這個方向一定可以來繼續努力\n\n02:01.615 --> 02:26.732\n這個就要請我們繼續來做一些設定那再來就是說這個其實像剛剛講的就是多元性其實台灣有很多的孩子也是來自於不同的國家那像美國他這樣這個Dora是非常有名的一個卡通那這個小孩本身是拉丁裔的那他們還有另外一個卡通叫Arthur也是一個非常有名的那裡面的一個他好朋友的角色是來自於越南所以我覺得這個東西除了我們剛剛講的\n\n02:27.933 --> 02:28.113\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n\n02:48.015 --> 03:04.088\n但是我看到這一次兒少台的報告裡面有講就是說在學齡前學齡跟青少年的比例都是在一個蠻持平的標準所以這個部分也是我要給公視的一個肯定那接下來我們就要進入比較挑戰的部分了\n\n03:04.868 --> 03:33.285\n就是說我們現在在公視的兒少資源網裡面我們的教案目前你可以看到基本上是沒有多元語言的教案我們大概就只有一個雙語教育可是根據國家語言發展法第13條第2項政府捐贈從事傳播制裁團法人應提供國家語言的多元服務也就是說公視是有振興國家語言那個法定義務的那我知道公視當然是說它有台語台跟客語台但是為什麼我們今天要做兒少台\n\n03:34.085 --> 03:50.032\n就是因為我們認為就是兒少有需要的一些專門的節目那也就在於說語言這件事情母語的保存其實是小時候來學是最好的所以我們要提早來接觸所以我希望在這個部分我們是不是可以來規劃多元語言的教材呢\n\n03:52.222 --> 04:11.101\n跟委員做說明大概幾件事情第一個就是針對多語的部分其實公視也有展開在這一次兒少頻道成立以後它就有展開所謂新著名的兒少產制所以的確會特別重視所謂新著名不同種族的語言來運用那甚至公視現在已經投入在積極策劃就是以越南語的發音來規劃一檔節目\n\n04:12.922 --> 04:39.473\n這是第一個那第二個就是在兒少資源網的這個部分那因為它當時製作的時候這個部分是for教案所以它並沒有支持多語的就是說它是提供老師們作為一個參考跟輔助性的教材那如果要有多語的這個搭配的話大概又要有其他的規劃來進行那這部分我想會請公視來研議有沒有機會讓它的教案在未來可以有更多語言的搭配使得不同的老師們可以來做使用\n\n04:40.293 --> 05:02.141\n這個可不可以有一些相關的報告如果研議的話有個結果的話可以提供給我們辦公室但是大概多久的時候可以提供呢我們可以在這個一個月之內來提供沒問題好那接下來我們就要來看兒少這一次的這個節目在徵案的時候呢招標不順有三個節目目前是沒有招標出去的分別是這個一個是2345有兩個是2340萬的一個是1170萬的節目\n\n05:07.003 --> 05:23.693\n那其中喔就是說其實兒少版的留言追追追啊其實是一個我們在報告裡面說是IP的一個節目那我就很想知道一個IP節目為什麼我們會招標不出去是預算不夠嗎因為他預算好像跟別人比起來比較低還是說我們現在廠商的量能不足\n\n05:24.734 --> 05:40.361\n其實跟委員剛其實已經有說出真實的情況大概有兩個部分第一個就是台灣整體的市場上的量能其實製作沒有這麼多製作所謂的兒少飲適應的在目前為止其實還沒有培育出這麼多的團隊那第二個就是說在經驗上面這個因為\n\n05:41.321 --> 05:56.528\n的節目形態很多是比較有創新的類型像新住民母語的學習啊好像這一類比較是創新的做法所以也未見得他們有經驗那但是因為對公視來說接下來還是會用其他的方法來進行不管是說跟業界來做討論來做\n\n05:58.649 --> 05:59.029\n﹚張雅琳﹚\n\n06:23.582 --> 06:23.863\n我想這個公視的表達說明\n\n06:39.758 --> 06:40.338\n自治和合資的方式來補足\n\n06:54.437 --> 07:13.370\n好那我想要再追問一個就是說我看到一個得標廠商是風采這個公司他過去其實做偶像劇的那他現在得標的是叫做親子的棚內談話節目所以我就會很好奇啊像他這樣子一個廠商沒有兒少遊戲沒有兒少節目經驗的他要如何來做這樣子的一個節目\n\n07:14.290 --> 07:36.581\n因為這個其實不是說把來賓換成大人跟小孩就可以就是一個屬於兒少的節目所以這個部分我覺得可能我想這聽起來公視要去協調來輔導這些廠商的壓力應該是非常沉重所以我覺得這個部分我們可能要來再做一些不同的思考就是說因為剛好提到合制所以我覺得這部分可能也是一個\n\n07:37.481 --> 07:55.014\n如果我們全部都要自己來協調製作我覺得8月一定會來不及所以合制也許是一個我們要思考的方向所以我想要再問更細節的部分就是說就是自製到底有多少多少是來自於採購我現在在報告裡面是沒有看到但是在2017年的研究裡面是有發現我們自製的節目是過少的\n\n07:56.368 --> 08:16.720\n所以這個部分因為我們既然講人才富裕所以這個部分一定要達到某一個比例那再來就是說自己自製新節目的時候呢是不是有一些時數的限制畢竟如果重複一直播舊的也不是一件好事啦所以這是不是有相關的規定第三個就是回到剛剛講的我們如果都要直接扣過我們自己協調製作我們是不是可以用另外一個方式來做前測呢\n\n08:17.660 --> 08:26.759\n他可能我們有一些腳本我們可以先找兒少來評估來做前測來確認這個方向是他喜歡的調整好之後我們再開始做自治這三件事情是我們目前有相關的規劃嗎?\n\n08:28.553 --> 08:56.514\n跟委員報告對在比如說在節目的前測這是我們標準的SOP作業流程公視的製作節目跟商業台最大不同就是我們會做前測那另外關於這個自製新節目的時數的部分我們的確是有一些比例上的自我期許但也有一些部分希望是能夠跟民間一起來合作發展我們家的兒少產業那這些商務聽起來好像已經有詳細的規劃這些詳細的規劃是不是也可以在兩個禮拜送到我們辦公室\n\n08:56.894 --> 09:13.615\n好,沒有問題謝謝那再來就是說其實我自己是非常喜歡看兒少節目所以我不知道次長跟董事長有沒有看過這兩個節目因為像《海洋日記》其實是你們自己過去跟民間合制嘛那這兩個產品作品都得到了德國慕尼黑國際兒少雙年展\n\n09:14.336 --> 09:29.550\n甚至也有得到美國內華達成的野生動物及風景電影節最佳兒童影片所以這兩個其實都是蠻不錯的一個作品所以我會希望就是說因為我看到你們的計畫也有說要跟富邦文教基金會來去做合作那我不太確定現在規劃的一個跟他們洽談的一個時程是什麼因為我覺得這都是兩個已經在網路上面\n\n09:34.654 --> 09:35.014\n主持人張雅琳\n\n09:45.067 --> 10:12.527\n我們跟富邦文教基金會以及其他的民間過去有這類經驗的都在進行討論那富邦的部分我們前一段時間也進行了一些討論那具體的部分是不是請說明一下其實富邦文教基金會他現在一直在做兒少IP賦育的這個計畫那其實他賦育出來很好的IP我們就會一起跟他合作把它做成節目這是我們現在一直持續在進行的所以除了這個之外我們後續還有新的節目可以推出\n\n10:13.087 --> 10:28.642\n所以目前已經跟對方聯繫了嗎?對,是的因為我收到的資訊好像不是這樣所以這個我們會後詳細討論好不好那再來就是說我希望就是因為要做得上節目我只有靠公視自己真的是太辛苦了所以我們一定要做到公司協力這件事情\n\n10:29.662 --> 10:58.275\n再來我最後的一個建議是說我們兒少台節目製作的建議一定要有一定程度比例的外部兒少的專業團體來參與前面的內部發想參與前面的測試再來就是說我們當然現在可能沒有那麼多廠商但是我覺得就是我們如果可以讓有更多的兒少專家在民間團體和民間團體的諮詢參與我們其實就能夠把關這個品質是不是符合兒少的需求因為畢竟六億不是小錢我們要照顧到兒童我們還是要回應到是不是他們的喜好\n\n10:59.925 --> 11:23.979\n抱歉我再用最後一分鐘講一件事情就是說我想我們台灣人所有人集體的共識對於228的一個態度應該都是一個悲傷而且緬懷而且沉痛反思的一個態度我相信次長應該是非常認同這是我看到我現在只要搜尋228我們搜尋到相關報導都是在紀念\n\n11:25.020 --> 11:51.609\n但是呢那再加上我們其實有非常多的過半的民眾其實也是支持這個所謂的轉型正義喔但是我看到TurnPlus在連續兩年的228都在做蔣介石的legacy我當然認為就是說我們要去來討論蔣介石的一個功與過不是不可以但是我們要在228這一天做這件事情嗎\n\n11:53.086 --> 11:53.266\n我想...\n\n12:21.409 --> 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