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00:03:10,453\n整體性的強化提升整個兒少在影星市場上的整個的量能因為如果現在最大的問題是其實你看不到台灣自己自製的兒少節目才是核心的問題因為大概九成以上都是所謂外來的或者是外購的這個節目所以它在策略上會有這樣的一個差異所以雖然委員看到的是說在整體的經費配置上似乎沒有全部用在兒少頻道但是他指的是在整個環境裡面你還是要把整個環境的調整\n\n8\n00:03:48,303 --> 00:04:16,420\n接下來想請教董事長就是說未來我們轉型這個兒少頻道我們站在公視3台可是公視3台有一個根本的問題就是民眾找不到它在哪裡公視3台它這個區塊在挑戰民眾使用遙控器的習慣因為它幾乎被排在一兩百號的位置根據各地的這個系統台的不同你就是像現在在這裡在中正區它的這個遙控器要輸幾號你知道嗎\n\n9\n00:04:17,694 --> 00:04:45,389\n公視三台139那各地又不同所以我想這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦齁那我們既然要推廣那我們就要養成民眾收視的習慣你要讓他習慣知道按幾台阿第八幾台我想那是沒人會起到那去所以是不是有沒有辦法努力讓這個頻道固定起來而且可以啦位置擺前面一點就跟公視家族擺在一起你覺得咧?\n\n10\n00:04:47,217 --> 00:05:02,338\n謝謝委員的關注,我們也覺得這個是很大的問題,因為我們有100多,而且沒有定評,那我們現在有跟系統業者,也跟NCC來請教跟協調,不過好像到目前為止,他們認為在法律上的規定\n\n11\n00:05:03,715 --> 00:05:04,515\n這部分再努力一下\n\n12\n00:05:20,063 --> 00:05:40,720\n吳佩宇委員也提到我們在說經費的問題你看日本NHK1900多億BBC也1800多億韓國的KBS也329億當然看我們自己我們覺得說我們真的是少之又少我們在羨慕別人的公共\n\n13\n00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:41,620\n林宜瑾議員\n\n14\n00:06:01,323 --> 00:06:27,872\n好那根據這個針對這個華視這個民股買回或者是資產活化或者是負負擔捐贈這個問題其實我從一路從文化部前部長李永德問到現任的部長史哲那去年4月我們公共電視法也睽違了13年首度來這個修正討論那除了我有自己的提案版本以外在修法過程中我有提那個\n\n15\n00:06:28,792 --> 00:06:44,587\n施政動議,試著要將負負擔捐贈的機制納入公共電視法當中。當時矢澤部長是說,我們希望是兩階段來修法,優先處理沒有爭議的公視9億捐贈上限的問題。再來我們再討論華視的困境怎麼解決。公視法三讀也\n\n16\n00:06:51,773 --> 00:07:20,215\n快一年囉那我想要請教次長這個修法的過程中說要日後再來探討華氏的困境那現在有什麼樣的進度嗎那再請董事長說明作為一個經營者對於華氏這種不公不明的狀態那持續也不能落實這個負擔捐贈的這個過程還有資產活化那對於華氏營運當然非常有影響那怎麼突破這樣的困境你怎麼看\n\n17\n00:07:20,775 --> 00:07:36,051\n先請次長回答先跟委員說明就是第一就是說現在華視的定位它其實仍然要定位成一個商業電視台雖然公視的持股有超過八成那所以也就是說在所謂的公共性上跟這個民間\n\n18\n00:07:37,492 --> 00:08:04,219\n銀行的利益上還是要取得一個橫頻那之所以沒有在進行這所謂民股買回的這件事的關鍵仍然是因為在現有的法制上你沒有辦法強制民股賣出那如果沒有這個法規的情況下你就會陷入一個很難進行溢價跟以政府預算來執行的一個困境那所以我們現在比較重要的事情是那如何讓華視在現有因為如果公視已經有了八成以上的股份它其實是有相對的主導權\n\n19\n00:08:05,299 --> 00:08:18,023\n所以現在可以看到我們在很多的節目上不管是補助或者委視華視所以在資源上面其實也給他很大的注意希望使得改善他現在製作的內容的這個狀況來提升他的整體的收視跟營運的狀態那這是現在在文化部裡面所可以先行採取的一些措施\n\n20\n00:08:28,099 --> 00:08:46,851\n華視的企業公會上週三有來拜訪他們當然對於華視既然要配合公共化要犧牲一些營收像今年年初的選舉去年一整年他們是沒有辦法收這個所謂的候選人的廣告\n\n21\n00:08:48,976 --> 00:09:08,344\n他們又要要求自負盈虧所以長期來其實損失是相當的重大那所以我想說這個部分我有列在這個華氏企業公會的具體的意見我有列在這個PPT上那不曉得請教次長跟董事長究竟能做到多少那怎麼樣解決這部分怎麼處理\n\n22\n00:09:10,306 --> 00:09:25,440\n第一是華氏在去年來說在新聞台上的廣告收益其實增加了非常多幾乎是翻倍的增加但是在整體的預算上面我們大概就是像剛剛提到的透過維持跟補助的方法來提升它的內容\n\n23\n00:09:26,621 --> 00:09:42,594\n那至於說在接下來他是不是能夠有更開放的營運方式因為他現在有資產文化委員會在進行資產文化的規劃所以我想資產文化的方向跟未來可能可以提升他在營運上的注意可能還是可以透過這個公視的這個整體的規劃來進行\n\n24\n00:09:48,158 --> 00:10:12,606\n對於未來的收益來說,我想既然公視的股份是佔8成以上,它還是具有一定的公共性,這一點可能還是華視要有得到一定的認知。了解,不過對於它這樣子,就是說不公不明的感覺,這個當然定位起來是有點困難度,我還覺得這個還是要好好的來研究,那包括負擔捐贈的部分,到底要不要挹注,我覺得這個\n\n25\n00:10:13,846 --> 00:10:14,307\n最後請教次長,知不知道這個提海燕這部作品\n\n26\n00:10:31,622 --> 00:10:50,995\n公視2024最新的劇集預計在今年第三季要播出這個劇集其實它受邀在法國的里爾劇集影展舉行全球的首映這是台灣第一次將二戰期間的台籍戰俘兼室員這個血淚史推上國際舞台聽到這部劇集\n\n27\n00:10:53,677 --> 00:11:13,134\n主席,同時也是純亞洲唯一入圍國際全景競賽單元的作品。他這樣的優異表現,讓歐洲國家對於台灣文化的量能感到相當驚豔。無論是法國或德國的公視,都紛紛表示可以跟台灣展開合作。\n\n28\n00:11:15,416 --> 00:11:34,937\n那麼一部大放異彩的這個作品那在籌資的階段卻沒有受到投資者的青睞也沒有入選這個金馬的創投只有公視一路支持喔那好就正如我一開始質詢開頭提到的目前從黑潮計畫一直到公視的經費\n\n29\n00:11:36,118 --> 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林宜瑾\n94611\t123484\t那這6億當然也不是全部用在兒少的服務上所以可不可以請次長說明一下那兒少的節目究竟占了多少預算那我們要用這樣的預算做哪些工作謝謝委員的垂詢那因為整個兒少影視音的製作它是一個整體環境那台灣以現在的兒少影視音環境來說是先天就不足那目前也算後天失調因為6億也實在是算上是一個非常充足的經費那所以在整個兒少的\n124224\t124404\t﹚林宜瑾議員\n145384\t163285\t⋯⋯⋯⋯\n163425\t190453\t整體性的強化提升整個兒少在影星市場上的整個的量能因為如果現在最大的問題是其實你看不到台灣自己自製的兒少節目才是核心的問題因為大概九成以上都是所謂外來的或者是外購的這個節目所以它在策略上會有這樣的一個差異所以雖然委員看到的是說在整體的經費配置上似乎沒有全部用在兒少頻道但是他指的是在整個環境裡面你還是要把整個環境的調整\n192654\t213046\t⋯⋯⋯\n213046\t228063\t⋯⋯⋯⋯\n228303\t256420\t接下來想請教董事長就是說未來我們轉型這個兒少頻道我們站在公視3台可是公視3台有一個根本的問題就是民眾找不到它在哪裡公視3台它這個區塊在挑戰民眾使用遙控器的習慣因為它幾乎被排在一兩百號的位置根據各地的這個系統台的不同你就是像現在在這裡在中正區它的這個遙控器要輸幾號你知道嗎\n257694\t285389\t公視三台139那各地又不同所以我想這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦齁那我們既然要推廣那我們就要養成民眾收視的習慣你要讓他習慣知道按幾台阿第八幾台 我想那是沒人會起到那去所以是不是有沒有辦法努力讓這個頻道固定起來而且可以啦 位置擺前面一點就跟公視家族擺在一起 你覺得咧?\n287217\t302338\t謝謝委員的關注,我們也覺得這個是很大的問題,因為我們有100多,而且沒有定評,那我們現在有跟系統業者,也跟NCC來請教跟協調,不過好像到目前為止,他們認為在法律上的規定\n303715\t304515\t這部分再努力一下\n320063\t340720\t吳佩宇委員也提到我們在說經費的問題你看日本NHK 1900多億BBC也1800多億韓國的KBS也329億當然看我們自己我們覺得說我們真的是少之又少我們在羨慕別人的公共\n341360\t341620\t林宜瑾議員\n361323\t387872\t好 那根據這個針對這個華視這個民股買回或者是資產活化或者是負負擔捐贈這個問題其實我從一路從文化部前部長李永德問到現任的部長史哲那去年4月我們公共電視法也睽違了13年首度來這個修正討論那除了我有自己的提案版本以外在修法過程中我有提那個\n388792\t404587\t施政動議,試著要將負負擔捐贈的機制納入公共電視法當中。當時矢澤部長是說,我們希望是兩階段來修法,優先處理沒有爭議的公視9億捐贈上限的問題。再來我們再討論華視的困境怎麼解決。公視法三讀也\n411773\t440215\t快一年囉那我想要請教次長這個修法的過程中說要日後再來探討華氏的困境那現在有什麼樣的進度嗎那再請董事長說明作為一個經營者對於華氏這種不公不明的狀態那持續也不能落實這個負擔捐贈的這個過程還有資產活化那對於華氏營運當然非常有影響那怎麼突破這樣的困境你怎麼看\n440775\t456051\t先請次長回答先跟委員說明就是第一就是說現在華視的定位它其實仍然要定位成一個商業電視台雖然公視的持股有超過八成那所以也就是說在所謂的公共性上跟這個民間\n457492\t484219\t銀行的利益上還是要取得一個橫頻那之所以沒有在進行這所謂民股買回的這件事的關鍵仍然是因為在現有的法制上你沒有辦法強制民股賣出那如果沒有這個法規的情況下你就會陷入一個很難進行溢價跟以政府預算來執行的一個困境那所以我們現在比較重要的事情是那如何讓華視在現有因為如果公視已經有了八成以上的股份它其實是有相對的主導權\n485299\t498023\t所以現在可以看到我們在很多的節目上不管是補助或者委視華視所以在資源上面其實也給他很大的注意希望使得改善他現在製作的內容的這個狀況來提升他的整體的收視跟營運的狀態那這是現在在文化部裡面所可以先行採取的一些措施\n508099\t526851\t華視的企業公會上週三有來拜訪他們當然對於華視既然要配合公共化要犧牲一些營收像今年年初的選舉去年一整年他們是沒有辦法收這個所謂的候選人的廣告\n528976\t548344\t他們又要要求自負盈虧所以長期來其實損失是相當的重大那所以我想說這個部分我有列在這個華氏企業公會的具體的意見我有列在這個PPT上那不曉得請教次長跟董事長究竟能做到多少那怎麼樣解決這部分怎麼處理\n550306\t565440\t第一是華氏在去年來說在新聞台上的廣告收益其實增加了非常多幾乎是翻倍的增加但是在整體的預算上面我們大概就是像剛剛提到的透過維持跟補助的方法來提升它的內容\n566621\t582594\t那至於說在接下來他是不是能夠有更開放的營運方式因為他現在有資產文化委員會在進行資產文化的規劃所以我想資產文化的方向跟未來可能可以提升他在營運上的注意可能還是可以透過這個公視的這個整體的規劃來進行\n588158\t612606\t對於未來的收益來說,我想既然公視的股份是佔8成以上,它還是具有一定的公共性,這一點可能還是華視要有得到一定的認知。了解,不過對於它這樣子,就是說不公不明的感覺,這個當然定位起來是有點困難度,我還覺得這個還是要好好的來研究,那包括負擔捐贈的部分,到底要不要挹注,我覺得這個\n613846\t614307\t最後請教次長,知不知道這個提海燕這部作品\n631622\t650995\t公視2024最新的劇集預計在今年第三季要播出這個劇集其實它受邀在法國的里爾劇集影展舉行全球的首映這是台灣第一次將二戰期間的台籍戰俘兼室員這個血淚史推上國際舞台聽到這部劇集\n653677\t673134\t主席,同時也是純亞洲唯一入圍國際全景競賽單元的作品。他這樣的優異表現,讓歐洲國家對於台灣文化的量能感到相當驚豔。無論是法國或德國的公視,都紛紛表示可以跟台灣展開合作。\n675416\t694937\t那麼一部大放異彩的這個作品那在籌資的階段卻沒有受到投資者的青睞也沒有入選這個金馬的創投只有公視一路支持喔那好就正如我一開始質詢開頭提到的目前從黑潮計畫一直到公視的經費\n696118\t719694\t我們只讓公視辦理台灣兒少這個原生內容跟節目的製播還有呼籲戲劇的IP可是我們沒有考量到公視戲劇的製作經費這等於是有點限縮公視本來該發揮的影響力那當然某些題材沒有或許沒有那麼具商業性那某些創作我們或許要走在市場的前端可是這些不以\n720254\t724057\t請問次長,你是不是認同文化部應該鼓勵並憋戀更多的預算,讓公共電視有充分的量人來開發這些優質本土的原創影視作品?\n743790\t769684\t謝謝委員這麼熟悉公視產出的好的節目那條哈院也跟委員報告其實在青馬創投它2021年是有獲得支持的所以其實青馬創投我們是有支持這部片子那另外委員提到的就是是不是未來要投入更多預算我想這一點是非常支持只要大院可以支持預算的通過我想我們也認為整個投入在台灣這一類公共性的節目的製作跟產出上的確需要更多的資源來做支持好 謝謝次長\n773445\t773933\t阿謝主席\n","txt":"有請次長跟董事長委員好次長好兒童權利公約第17條提到就是說我們必須鼓勵大眾媒體直播無論在社會或文化對兒童有益的資訊那這些資訊當然包括所屬文化跟語言的認同當然還有異文化的認同\n那我想當然也要顧及少數族群跟原住民兒童在語言方面的需要所以基本上根據公約的精神公視願意來做兒少節目這本席當然是百分百認同不過有幾個點還是要跟次長跟董事長再做一些確認首先文化部在報告中有提到公視的捐贈經費從9億元增加到23億\n中間有6億會用在兒少節目上可是我們翻看預算書來看這個數字好像沒有那麼精確預算書寫著這6億是來自黑潮計畫的挹注那一部分是辦理台灣兒少原生\n主持人 林宜瑾\n那這6億當然也不是全部用在兒少的服務上所以可不可以請次長說明一下那兒少的節目究竟占了多少預算那我們要用這樣的預算做哪些工作謝謝委員的垂詢那因為整個兒少影視音的製作它是一個整體環境那台灣以現在的兒少影視音環境來說是先天就不足那目前也算後天失調因為6億也實在是算上是一個非常充足的經費那所以在整個兒少的\n﹚林宜瑾議員\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n整體性的強化提升整個兒少在影星市場上的整個的量能因為如果現在最大的問題是其實你看不到台灣自己自製的兒少節目才是核心的問題因為大概九成以上都是所謂外來的或者是外購的這個節目所以它在策略上會有這樣的一個差異所以雖然委員看到的是說在整體的經費配置上似乎沒有全部用在兒少頻道但是他指的是在整個環境裡面你還是要把整個環境的調整\n⋯⋯⋯\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n接下來想請教董事長就是說未來我們轉型這個兒少頻道我們站在公視3台可是公視3台有一個根本的問題就是民眾找不到它在哪裡公視3台它這個區塊在挑戰民眾使用遙控器的習慣因為它幾乎被排在一兩百號的位置根據各地的這個系統台的不同你就是像現在在這裡在中正區它的這個遙控器要輸幾號你知道嗎\n公視三台139那各地又不同所以我想這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦齁那我們既然要推廣那我們就要養成民眾收視的習慣你要讓他習慣知道按幾台阿第八幾台 我想那是沒人會起到那去所以是不是有沒有辦法努力讓這個頻道固定起來而且可以啦 位置擺前面一點就跟公視家族擺在一起 你覺得咧?\n謝謝委員的關注,我們也覺得這個是很大的問題,因為我們有100多,而且沒有定評,那我們現在有跟系統業者,也跟NCC來請教跟協調,不過好像到目前為止,他們認為在法律上的規定\n這部分再努力一下\n吳佩宇委員也提到我們在說經費的問題你看日本NHK 1900多億BBC也1800多億韓國的KBS也329億當然看我們自己我們覺得說我們真的是少之又少我們在羨慕別人的公共\n林宜瑾議員\n好 那根據這個針對這個華視這個民股買回或者是資產活化或者是負負擔捐贈這個問題其實我從一路從文化部前部長李永德問到現任的部長史哲那去年4月我們公共電視法也睽違了13年首度來這個修正討論那除了我有自己的提案版本以外在修法過程中我有提那個\n施政動議,試著要將負負擔捐贈的機制納入公共電視法當中。當時矢澤部長是說,我們希望是兩階段來修法,優先處理沒有爭議的公視9億捐贈上限的問題。再來我們再討論華視的困境怎麼解決。公視法三讀也\n快一年囉那我想要請教次長這個修法的過程中說要日後再來探討華氏的困境那現在有什麼樣的進度嗎那再請董事長說明作為一個經營者對於華氏這種不公不明的狀態那持續也不能落實這個負擔捐贈的這個過程還有資產活化那對於華氏營運當然非常有影響那怎麼突破這樣的困境你怎麼看\n先請次長回答先跟委員說明就是第一就是說現在華視的定位它其實仍然要定位成一個商業電視台雖然公視的持股有超過八成那所以也就是說在所謂的公共性上跟這個民間\n銀行的利益上還是要取得一個橫頻那之所以沒有在進行這所謂民股買回的這件事的關鍵仍然是因為在現有的法制上你沒有辦法強制民股賣出那如果沒有這個法規的情況下你就會陷入一個很難進行溢價跟以政府預算來執行的一個困境那所以我們現在比較重要的事情是那如何讓華視在現有因為如果公視已經有了八成以上的股份它其實是有相對的主導權\n所以現在可以看到我們在很多的節目上不管是補助或者委視華視所以在資源上面其實也給他很大的注意希望使得改善他現在製作的內容的這個狀況來提升他的整體的收視跟營運的狀態那這是現在在文化部裡面所可以先行採取的一些措施\n華視的企業公會上週三有來拜訪他們當然對於華視既然要配合公共化要犧牲一些營收像今年年初的選舉去年一整年他們是沒有辦法收這個所謂的候選人的廣告\n他們又要要求自負盈虧所以長期來其實損失是相當的重大那所以我想說這個部分我有列在這個華氏企業公會的具體的意見我有列在這個PPT上那不曉得請教次長跟董事長究竟能做到多少那怎麼樣解決這部分怎麼處理\n第一是華氏在去年來說在新聞台上的廣告收益其實增加了非常多幾乎是翻倍的增加但是在整體的預算上面我們大概就是像剛剛提到的透過維持跟補助的方法來提升它的內容\n那至於說在接下來他是不是能夠有更開放的營運方式因為他現在有資產文化委員會在進行資產文化的規劃所以我想資產文化的方向跟未來可能可以提升他在營運上的注意可能還是可以透過這個公視的這個整體的規劃來進行\n對於未來的收益來說,我想既然公視的股份是佔8成以上,它還是具有一定的公共性,這一點可能還是華視要有得到一定的認知。了解,不過對於它這樣子,就是說不公不明的感覺,這個當然定位起來是有點困難度,我還覺得這個還是要好好的來研究,那包括負擔捐贈的部分,到底要不要挹注,我覺得這個\n最後請教次長,知不知道這個提海燕這部作品\n公視2024最新的劇集預計在今年第三季要播出這個劇集其實它受邀在法國的里爾劇集影展舉行全球的首映這是台灣第一次將二戰期間的台籍戰俘兼室員這個血淚史推上國際舞台聽到這部劇集\n主席,同時也是純亞洲唯一入圍國際全景競賽單元的作品。他這樣的優異表現,讓歐洲國家對於台灣文化的量能感到相當驚豔。無論是法國或德國的公視,都紛紛表示可以跟台灣展開合作。\n那麼一部大放異彩的這個作品那在籌資的階段卻沒有受到投資者的青睞也沒有入選這個金馬的創投只有公視一路支持喔那好就正如我一開始質詢開頭提到的目前從黑潮計畫一直到公視的經費\n我們只讓公視辦理台灣兒少這個原生內容跟節目的製播還有呼籲戲劇的IP可是我們沒有考量到公視戲劇的製作經費這等於是有點限縮公視本來該發揮的影響力那當然某些題材沒有或許沒有那麼具商業性那某些創作我們或許要走在市場的前端可是這些不以\n請問次長,你是不是認同文化部應該鼓勵並憋戀更多的預算,讓公共電視有充分的量人來開發這些優質本土的原創影視作品?\n謝謝委員這麼熟悉公視產出的好的節目那條哈院也跟委員報告其實在青馬創投它2021年是有獲得支持的所以其實青馬創投我們是有支持這部片子那另外委員提到的就是是不是未來要投入更多預算我想這一點是非常支持只要大院可以支持預算的通過我想我們也認為整個投入在台灣這一類公共性的節目的製作跟產出上的確需要更多的資源來做支持好 謝謝次長\n阿謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:02.731\n有請次長跟董事長委員好次長好兒童權利公約第17條提到就是說我們必須鼓勵大眾媒體直播無論在社會或文化對兒童有益的資訊那這些資訊當然包括所屬文化跟語言的認同當然還有異文化的認同\n\n00:29.466 --> 00:53.478\n那我想當然也要顧及少數族群跟原住民兒童在語言方面的需要所以基本上根據公約的精神公視願意來做兒少節目這本席當然是百分百認同不過有幾個點還是要跟次長跟董事長再做一些確認首先文化部在報告中有提到公視的捐贈經費從9億元增加到23億\n\n00:56.900 --> 01:13.175\n中間有6億會用在兒少節目上可是我們翻看預算書來看這個數字好像沒有那麼精確預算書寫著這6億是來自黑潮計畫的挹注那一部分是辦理台灣兒少原生\n\n01:14.156 --> 01:15.257\n主持人林宜瑾\n\n01:34.611 --> 02:03.484\n那這6億當然也不是全部用在兒少的服務上所以可不可以請次長說明一下那兒少的節目究竟占了多少預算那我們要用這樣的預算做哪些工作謝謝委員的垂詢那因為整個兒少影視音的製作它是一個整體環境那台灣以現在的兒少影視音環境來說是先天就不足那目前也算後天失調因為6億也實在是算上是一個非常充足的經費那所以在整個兒少的\n\n02:04.224 --> 02:04.404\n﹚林宜瑾議員\n\n02:43.425 --> 03:10.453\n整體性的強化提升整個兒少在影星市場上的整個的量能因為如果現在最大的問題是其實你看不到台灣自己自製的兒少節目才是核心的問題因為大概九成以上都是所謂外來的或者是外購的這個節目所以它在策略上會有這樣的一個差異所以雖然委員看到的是說在整體的經費配置上似乎沒有全部用在兒少頻道但是他指的是在整個環境裡面你還是要把整個環境的調整\n\n03:48.303 --> 04:16.420\n接下來想請教董事長就是說未來我們轉型這個兒少頻道我們站在公視3台可是公視3台有一個根本的問題就是民眾找不到它在哪裡公視3台它這個區塊在挑戰民眾使用遙控器的習慣因為它幾乎被排在一兩百號的位置根據各地的這個系統台的不同你就是像現在在這裡在中正區它的這個遙控器要輸幾號你知道嗎\n\n04:17.694 --> 04:45.389\n公視三台139那各地又不同所以我想這個是一個很嚴肅的問題啦齁那我們既然要推廣那我們就要養成民眾收視的習慣你要讓他習慣知道按幾台阿第八幾台我想那是沒人會起到那去所以是不是有沒有辦法努力讓這個頻道固定起來而且可以啦位置擺前面一點就跟公視家族擺在一起你覺得咧?\n\n04:47.217 --> 05:02.338\n謝謝委員的關注,我們也覺得這個是很大的問題,因為我們有100多,而且沒有定評,那我們現在有跟系統業者,也跟NCC來請教跟協調,不過好像到目前為止,他們認為在法律上的規定\n\n05:03.715 --> 05:04.515\n這部分再努力一下\n\n05:20.063 --> 05:40.720\n吳佩宇委員也提到我們在說經費的問題你看日本NHK1900多億BBC也1800多億韓國的KBS也329億當然看我們自己我們覺得說我們真的是少之又少我們在羨慕別人的公共\n\n05:41.360 --> 05:41.620\n林宜瑾議員\n\n06:01.323 --> 06:27.872\n好那根據這個針對這個華視這個民股買回或者是資產活化或者是負負擔捐贈這個問題其實我從一路從文化部前部長李永德問到現任的部長史哲那去年4月我們公共電視法也睽違了13年首度來這個修正討論那除了我有自己的提案版本以外在修法過程中我有提那個\n\n06:28.792 --> 06:44.587\n施政動議,試著要將負負擔捐贈的機制納入公共電視法當中。當時矢澤部長是說,我們希望是兩階段來修法,優先處理沒有爭議的公視9億捐贈上限的問題。再來我們再討論華視的困境怎麼解決。公視法三讀也\n\n06:51.773 --> 07:20.215\n快一年囉那我想要請教次長這個修法的過程中說要日後再來探討華氏的困境那現在有什麼樣的進度嗎那再請董事長說明作為一個經營者對於華氏這種不公不明的狀態那持續也不能落實這個負擔捐贈的這個過程還有資產活化那對於華氏營運當然非常有影響那怎麼突破這樣的困境你怎麼看\n\n07:20.775 --> 07:36.051\n先請次長回答先跟委員說明就是第一就是說現在華視的定位它其實仍然要定位成一個商業電視台雖然公視的持股有超過八成那所以也就是說在所謂的公共性上跟這個民間\n\n07:37.492 --> 08:04.219\n銀行的利益上還是要取得一個橫頻那之所以沒有在進行這所謂民股買回的這件事的關鍵仍然是因為在現有的法制上你沒有辦法強制民股賣出那如果沒有這個法規的情況下你就會陷入一個很難進行溢價跟以政府預算來執行的一個困境那所以我們現在比較重要的事情是那如何讓華視在現有因為如果公視已經有了八成以上的股份它其實是有相對的主導權\n\n08:05.299 --> 08:18.023\n所以現在可以看到我們在很多的節目上不管是補助或者委視華視所以在資源上面其實也給他很大的注意希望使得改善他現在製作的內容的這個狀況來提升他的整體的收視跟營運的狀態那這是現在在文化部裡面所可以先行採取的一些措施\n\n08:28.099 --> 08:46.851\n華視的企業公會上週三有來拜訪他們當然對於華視既然要配合公共化要犧牲一些營收像今年年初的選舉去年一整年他們是沒有辦法收這個所謂的候選人的廣告\n\n08:48.976 --> 09:08.344\n他們又要要求自負盈虧所以長期來其實損失是相當的重大那所以我想說這個部分我有列在這個華氏企業公會的具體的意見我有列在這個PPT上那不曉得請教次長跟董事長究竟能做到多少那怎麼樣解決這部分怎麼處理\n\n09:10.306 --> 09:25.440\n第一是華氏在去年來說在新聞台上的廣告收益其實增加了非常多幾乎是翻倍的增加但是在整體的預算上面我們大概就是像剛剛提到的透過維持跟補助的方法來提升它的內容\n\n09:26.621 --> 09:42.594\n那至於說在接下來他是不是能夠有更開放的營運方式因為他現在有資產文化委員會在進行資產文化的規劃所以我想資產文化的方向跟未來可能可以提升他在營運上的注意可能還是可以透過這個公視的這個整體的規劃來進行\n\n09:48.158 --> 10:12.606\n對於未來的收益來說,我想既然公視的股份是佔8成以上,它還是具有一定的公共性,這一點可能還是華視要有得到一定的認知。了解,不過對於它這樣子,就是說不公不明的感覺,這個當然定位起來是有點困難度,我還覺得這個還是要好好的來研究,那包括負擔捐贈的部分,到底要不要挹注,我覺得這個\n\n10:13.846 --> 10:14.307\n最後請教次長,知不知道這個提海燕這部作品\n\n10:31.622 --> 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