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00:01:30,232\n我的父母啊,我沒有想到。你的父母啊,就是阿公阿嬤帶長大的嘛,對不對?我的父母,我的父母也是他的父母帶長大的啊。就是我的阿公阿嬤帶長大的。你在講什麼,我沒有聽到。我在講的時候,好啦。那個,我這個是根據資料的。將近80%大部分的兒童都是爺爺奶奶帶長大。\n\n4\n00:01:32,624 --> 00:01:34,327\n各位在家庭你知道我們今天談兒少\n\n5\n00:01:46,598 --> 00:02:10,598\n因為大家知道我在談壯世代其實你看那個很多我們都不理爸爸不理這些人所以你知道大部分的孩子、兒童到了小學畢業之後就回到父母的身邊然後就遠離了他的爺爺奶奶甚至很多人我們測過對爺爺奶奶認識度只有30分\n\n6\n00:02:14,839 --> 00:02:22,630\n爺爺奶奶認識小孫子都有大到80分世代因為爺爺奶奶落伍了\n\n7\n00:02:24,582 --> 00:02:30,705\n文化部想像的高齡社會是什麼?你想像的高齡社會是一個金字塔型的還是一個倒金字塔型?\n\n8\n00:02:48,868 --> 00:03:00,438\n我想台灣整體面臨人口老化已經是一個很重要的議題已經是上升到甚至是國安問題我想大家都很了解台灣在未來老化的現象會越來越嚴重主力就是高齡者高齡者所有的生產力、消費力\n\n9\n00:03:11,388 --> 00:03:32,705\n各方面都是高齡者社會但是我不曉得文化部在設定文化的時候如何看上面這一層應該是整體啦,整體的人都是文化部的服務對象的確沒有看到你們去年在60歲以上的文化預算只占文化部的0.2%我有去統計\n\n10\n00:03:37,092 --> 00:03:57,187\n這一部分史部長都認同啊所以他為什麼這麼的驚訝我們都在做青年文化在做古蹟文化對於這一塊你只要過60歲包括我們的文化界的人過了一個年齡以後幾乎都是放到倉庫裡面\n\n11\n00:03:59,589 --> 00:04:20,236\n這一個裡面的都有在做但是比例太少了不成人口比例不成人口比例好謝謝你們現在在做這個算是在做了嘛這一個我來請問我們次長壯世代只剩下鄉土劇可以看嗎\n\n12\n00:04:21,650 --> 00:04:22,530\n對,都是可以服務啦,但是你了解嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:37,067 --> 00:05:04,070\n瞭解他們的需求嗎?事實上各位在想像的因為這個已經是現在好萊塢都已經發現我剛才講這個也不僅是一個說哎呀你這個老人我都提供老人服務啦事實上這個是一個很龐大的產業因為壯士在掌握三分之二財富但是呢剛才才聊天我們所有品牌都要做要品牌年輕化要去老化\n\n14\n00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:30,498\n這一塊離得越遠越好那最後一個就做一點那想像不然他們需要什麼你們也不太了解想想應該是鄉土劇吧就把這群人越搞越low你給他文化的一個事實上一個文化歧視對他們是應該什麼都有理論上是應該是他跟其他的年齡層一樣各種的文化媒體都應該可以享受\n\n15\n00:05:31,738 --> 00:05:32,078\n吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員\n\n16\n00:05:49,998 --> 00:06:14,580\n市場的需求當然還是依據不同的需求來進行不要講這個就是沒有做啦就是非常的偏廢嘛就是這事實上都這樣子不要再用這一個你知道他們的需求嗎這個重視在很多的元朦我希望這個教育文化部好好地去研究他們的文化需求剛才講的那個說法實在是太普遍太廣泛論的\n\n17\n00:06:16,101 --> 00:06:24,067\n基本上沒有真正了解他們你看高興哲的看電視的一個動機第一點就是知道各地新聞消息\n\n18\n00:06:25,222 --> 00:06:53,322\n有滿足他們所關心你知道每一個跟不同年齡的人所關注的東西不一樣的你知道他們關注什麼嗎?第二個是知道有用的生活常識技能佔87%那我們在現在的這個節目當中針對這一群讓他們所關注只是關注健康嗎?資訊嗎?你認為你有做一些高齡者的養生啊?保健啊?這個就是對對對你覺得這樣子就是有在關心他們\n\n19\n00:06:54,142 --> 00:06:55,062\n我來自行銷界,行銷廣告人不會做60歲以上的廣告\n\n20\n00:07:17,310 --> 00:07:32,980\n所以企業當中針對60歲以上投放廣告只佔它行銷費用的5%基本上是放棄這塊市場這塊市場掌握三分之的財富結果企業都不想賺他的錢這一個公視呢接下來請胡董事長來問一下公視的問題\n\n21\n00:07:38,834 --> 00:07:52,151\n公視主要的收視群都應該是年齡比較偏高,55家以上。我想公視可以再進一步去了解這些需求。\n\n22\n00:07:54,794 --> 00:08:13,627\n我提供一個,就荷蘭有一個MASS的電視台,它也是公視,荷蘭的公視,他們特別做一個50家的專屬的節目,那這個節目後來成為非常熱門,我不曉得你們了不了也知不知道這個,那成為連著度非常高的首領社群。\n\n23\n00:08:14,847 --> 00:08:30,607\n那這個手動社群他們在意的不是省錢很多人認為說他們省吃減用不花錢所以沒有這個產業事實上不是而是他們重視的是怎麼把錢花得有意義但是大家不知道他們的意義是什麼\n\n24\n00:08:31,989 --> 00:08:48,573\n所以我們目前所看到的公視還是引法照護養生你所想像的還是老人的這些需求那比較未來希望能夠以這個為典範多增加在社會參與的部分\n\n25\n00:08:53,396 --> 00:09:05,709\n最後我也要請我們蔡董事長文策院因為這是我們史德部長上次又來答覆我這答覆我他交辦的都是文策院不曉得你們有收到這份公文\n\n26\n00:09:08,328 --> 00:09:26,163\n有,那個報告委員齁除了公文有受到之外其實上次去你辦公室也聽你分享了很多壯世代這個議題齁那回文測驗之後其實我們也跟相關的主管有開了針對壯世代這樣的一個內容投資的一個計畫那近期希望再有機會去拜訪委員聽取委員更多更專業的意見\n\n27\n00:09:28,085 --> 00:09:56,443\n好謝謝所以很感謝就是因為這個太重要了那部長就是他回覆我的文章是要會納入壯賽的文化需求的更進一步深入的了解第二個也要請文策院去規劃發展台灣高齡文化產業這部分的計畫那所以期待你的下一步的消息那最後我要對公視這個我們公視是不是可以兩個月之內提出來\n\n28\n00:09:57,844 --> 00:10:26,930\n深入調查,次長那個剛才我知道你去那個GPT去看你只要輸入高齡者的需求其實跑出來的都是銀髮族的需求因為我們長期有一個銀髮的思維認為60歲就是老人現在不是啦現在80歲以後才會成為我們有空白20年我們沒有任何第三人生的想像這是文化部應該要去努力的啦\n\n29\n00:10:27,290 --> 00:10:49,344\n現在做的真的差距很大這個次長真的好好的去了解我們要深度所以我要請公視是不是針對50家的收視行為節目需求能夠提出報告然後也可以規劃參考荷蘭的這個規劃壯實在節目頻道計畫不曉得公視可不可以那個次長認不認同知不支持\n\n30\n00:10:49,864 --> 00:10:52,947\n第一個就是針對壯士代的這個節目需求跟他節目內容規劃我想這個公視應該是可以來繼續來做我們也文化部也會針對這個壯士代的需求來提供的藝文的服務來做研析跟提供那第二個就是說要針對55家的這個收視行為跟節目需求報告\n\n31\n00:11:08,803 --> 00:11:24,321\n我是建議是這樣因為我們如果要做這一類的收視行為調查他通常需要的時間的軸距比較長是不是不要限制公視兩個月是不是譬如讓他們一季或者半年之後才可以有一個比較像是收視調查的會比較接近真實的結果\n\n32\n00:11:27,627 --> 00:11:43,586\n市長是支持,文化部支持,吳董事長你可以嗎?我們努力,因為目前來講本身有做一些收視的調查,另外我們知道一些廣告公司跟傳播業有做,我們可以整合這個部分來做一些處理\n\n33\n00:11:44,167 --> 00:11:44,447\n謝謝吳春城委員次長請問\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10077\t12779\t主要是要跟大家溝通因為我們今天談兒少\n37901\t65940\t不過我要問大家齁 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佔87%那我們在現在的這個節目當中針對這一群讓他們所關注只是關注健康嗎?資訊嗎?你認為你有做一些高齡者的養生啊?保健啊?這個就是對對對你覺得這樣子就是有在關心他們\n414142\t415062\t我來自行銷界,行銷廣告人不會做60歲以上的廣告\n437310\t452980\t所以企業當中針對60歲以上投放廣告只佔它行銷費用的5%基本上是放棄這塊市場這塊市場掌握三分之的財富結果企業都不想賺他的錢這一個公視呢接下來請胡董事長來問一下公視的問題\n458834\t472151\t公視主要的收視群都應該是年齡比較偏高,55家以上。我想公視可以再進一步去了解這些需求。\n474794\t493627\t我提供一個,就荷蘭有一個MASS的電視台,它也是公視,荷蘭的公視,他們特別做一個50家的專屬的節目,那這個節目後來成為非常熱門,我不曉得你們了不了也知不知道這個,那成為連著度非常高的首領社群。\n494847\t510607\t那這個手動社群他們在意的不是省錢很多人認為說他們省吃減用不花錢所以沒有這個產業事實上不是而是他們重視的是怎麼把錢花得有意義但是大家不知道他們的意義是什麼\n511989\t528573\t所以我們目前所看到的公視還是引法照護養生你所想像的還是老人的這些需求那比較未來希望能夠以這個為典範多增加在社會參與的部分\n533396\t545709\t最後我也要請我們蔡董事長文策院因為這是我們史德部長上次又來答覆我這答覆我他交辦的都是文策院不曉得你們有收到這份公文\n548328\t566163\t有,那個報告委員齁除了公文有受到之外其實上次去你辦公室也聽你分享了很多壯世代這個議題齁那回文測驗之後其實我們也跟相關的主管有開了針對壯世代這樣的一個內容投資的一個計畫那近期希望再有機會去拜訪委員聽取委員更多更專業的意見\n568085\t596443\t好 謝謝所以很感謝就是因為這個太重要了那部長就是他回覆我的文章是要會納入壯賽的文化需求的更進一步深入的了解第二個也要請文策院去規劃發展台灣高齡文化產業這部分的計畫那所以期待你的下一步的消息那最後我要對公視這個我們公視是不是可以兩個月之內提出來\n597844\t626930\t深入調查,次長那個剛才我知道你去那個GPT去看你只要輸入高齡者的需求其實跑出來的都是銀髮族的需求因為我們長期有一個銀髮的思維認為60歲就是老人現在不是啦現在80歲以後才會成為我們有空白20年我們沒有任何第三人生的想像這是文化部應該要去努力的啦\n627290\t649344\t現在做的真的差距很大這個次長真的好好的去了解我們要深度所以我要請公視是不是針對50家的收視行為節目需求能夠提出報告然後也可以規劃參考荷蘭的這個規劃壯實在節目頻道計畫不曉得公視可不可以那個次長認不認同知不支持\n649864\t652947\t第一個就是針對壯士代的這個節目需求跟他節目內容規劃我想這個公視應該是可以來繼續來做我們也文化部也會針對這個壯士代的需求來提供的藝文的服務來做研析跟提供那第二個就是說要針對55家的這個收視行為跟節目需求報告\n668803\t684321\t我是建議是這樣因為我們如果要做這一類的收視行為調查他通常需要的時間的軸距比較長是不是不要限制公視兩個月是不是譬如讓他們一季或者半年之後才可以有一個比較像是收視調查的會比較接近真實的結果\n687627\t703586\t市長是支持,文化部支持,吳董事長你可以嗎?我們努力,因為目前來講本身有做一些收視的調查,另外我們知道一些廣告公司跟傳播業有做,我們可以整合這個部分來做一些處理\n704167\t704447\t謝謝吳春城委員 次長請問\n","txt":"主要是要跟大家溝通因為我們今天談兒少\n不過我要問大家齁 這個你知道百分之八十的兒少都誰帶長大的你們有帶過小孩嗎?家裡有小孩嗎?百分之八十的兒少都是誰在當黨?爸爸媽媽還是爺爺奶奶?父母吧父母嗎?唉呦你家是你父母長大的是啊是啊是你的父母還是小孩子的父母?\n我的父母啊,我沒有想到。你的父母啊,就是阿公阿嬤帶長大的嘛,對不對?我的父母,我的父母也是他的父母帶長大的啊。就是我的阿公阿嬤帶長大的。你在講什麼,我沒有聽到。我在講的時候,好啦。那個,我這個是根據資料的。將近80%大部分的兒童都是爺爺奶奶帶長大。\n各位在家庭你知道我們今天談兒少\n因為大家知道我在談壯世代其實你看那個很多我們都不理爸爸不理這些人所以你知道大部分的孩子、兒童到了小學畢業之後就回到父母的身邊然後就遠離了他的爺爺奶奶甚至很多人我們測過對爺爺奶奶認識度只有30分\n爺爺奶奶認識小孫子都有大到80分世代 因為爺爺奶奶落伍了\n文化部想像的高齡社會是什麼?你想像的高齡社會是一個金字塔型的還是一個倒金字塔型?\n我想台灣整體面臨人口老化已經是一個很重要的議題已經是上升到甚至是國安問題我想大家都很了解台灣在未來老化的現象會越來越嚴重主力就是高齡者高齡者所有的生產力、消費力\n各方面都是高齡者社會但是我不曉得文化部在設定文化的時候如何看上面這一層應該是整體啦,整體的人都是文化部的服務對象的確沒有看到你們去年在60歲以上的文化預算只占文化部的0.2%我有去統計\n這一部分史部長都認同啊所以他為什麼這麼的驚訝我們都在做青年文化在做古蹟文化對於這一塊你只要過60歲包括我們的文化界的人過了一個年齡以後幾乎都是放到倉庫裡面\n這一個裡面的 都有在做 但是比例太少了 不成人口比例 不成人口比例好 謝謝你們現在在做 這個算是在做了嘛 這一個我來請問我們次長 壯世代只剩下鄉土劇可以看嗎\n對,都是可以服務啦,但是你了解嗎?\n瞭解他們的需求嗎?事實上各位在想像的因為這個已經是現在好萊塢都已經發現我剛才講這個也不僅是一個說哎呀你這個老人我都提供老人服務啦事實上這個是一個很龐大的產業因為壯士在掌握三分之二財富但是呢剛才才聊天我們所有品牌都要做要品牌年輕化要去老化\n這一塊離得越遠越好那最後一個就做一點那想像不然他們需要什麼你們也不太了解想想應該是鄉土劇吧就把這群人越搞越low你給他文化的一個事實上一個文化歧視對他們是應該什麼都有理論上是應該是他跟其他的年齡層一樣各種的文化媒體都應該可以享受\n吳春城議員吳春城議員吳春城議員\n市場的需求當然還是依據不同的需求來進行不要講這個就是沒有做啦就是非常的偏廢嘛就是這事實上都這樣子不要再用這一個你知道他們的需求嗎這個重視在很多的元朦我希望這個教育文化部好好地去研究他們的文化需求剛才講的那個說法實在是太普遍太廣泛論的\n基本上沒有真正了解他們你看高興哲的看電視的一個動機第一點就是知道各地新聞消息\n有滿足他們所關心你知道每一個跟不同年齡的人所關注的東西不一樣的你知道他們關注什麼嗎?第二個是知道有用的生活常識技能 佔87%那我們在現在的這個節目當中針對這一群讓他們所關注只是關注健康嗎?資訊嗎?你認為你有做一些高齡者的養生啊?保健啊?這個就是對對對你覺得這樣子就是有在關心他們\n我來自行銷界,行銷廣告人不會做60歲以上的廣告\n所以企業當中針對60歲以上投放廣告只佔它行銷費用的5%基本上是放棄這塊市場這塊市場掌握三分之的財富結果企業都不想賺他的錢這一個公視呢接下來請胡董事長來問一下公視的問題\n公視主要的收視群都應該是年齡比較偏高,55家以上。我想公視可以再進一步去了解這些需求。\n我提供一個,就荷蘭有一個MASS的電視台,它也是公視,荷蘭的公視,他們特別做一個50家的專屬的節目,那這個節目後來成為非常熱門,我不曉得你們了不了也知不知道這個,那成為連著度非常高的首領社群。\n那這個手動社群他們在意的不是省錢很多人認為說他們省吃減用不花錢所以沒有這個產業事實上不是而是他們重視的是怎麼把錢花得有意義但是大家不知道他們的意義是什麼\n所以我們目前所看到的公視還是引法照護養生你所想像的還是老人的這些需求那比較未來希望能夠以這個為典範多增加在社會參與的部分\n最後我也要請我們蔡董事長文策院因為這是我們史德部長上次又來答覆我這答覆我他交辦的都是文策院不曉得你們有收到這份公文\n有,那個報告委員齁除了公文有受到之外其實上次去你辦公室也聽你分享了很多壯世代這個議題齁那回文測驗之後其實我們也跟相關的主管有開了針對壯世代這樣的一個內容投資的一個計畫那近期希望再有機會去拜訪委員聽取委員更多更專業的意見\n好 謝謝所以很感謝就是因為這個太重要了那部長就是他回覆我的文章是要會納入壯賽的文化需求的更進一步深入的了解第二個也要請文策院去規劃發展台灣高齡文化產業這部分的計畫那所以期待你的下一步的消息那最後我要對公視這個我們公視是不是可以兩個月之內提出來\n深入調查,次長那個剛才我知道你去那個GPT去看你只要輸入高齡者的需求其實跑出來的都是銀髮族的需求因為我們長期有一個銀髮的思維認為60歲就是老人現在不是啦現在80歲以後才會成為我們有空白20年我們沒有任何第三人生的想像這是文化部應該要去努力的啦\n現在做的真的差距很大這個次長真的好好的去了解我們要深度所以我要請公視是不是針對50家的收視行為節目需求能夠提出報告然後也可以規劃參考荷蘭的這個規劃壯實在節目頻道計畫不曉得公視可不可以那個次長認不認同知不支持\n第一個就是針對壯士代的這個節目需求跟他節目內容規劃我想這個公視應該是可以來繼續來做我們也文化部也會針對這個壯士代的需求來提供的藝文的服務來做研析跟提供那第二個就是說要針對55家的這個收視行為跟節目需求報告\n我是建議是這樣因為我們如果要做這一類的收視行為調查他通常需要的時間的軸距比較長是不是不要限制公視兩個月是不是譬如讓他們一季或者半年之後才可以有一個比較像是收視調查的會比較接近真實的結果\n市長是支持,文化部支持,吳董事長你可以嗎?我們努力,因為目前來講本身有做一些收視的調查,另外我們知道一些廣告公司跟傳播業有做,我們可以整合這個部分來做一些處理\n謝謝吳春城委員 次長請問\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.077 --> 00:12.779\n主要是要跟大家溝通因為我們今天談兒少\n\n00:37.901 --> 01:05.940\n不過我要問大家齁這個你知道百分之八十的兒少都誰帶長大的你們有帶過小孩嗎?家裡有小孩嗎?百分之八十的兒少都是誰在當黨?爸爸媽媽還是爺爺奶奶?父母吧父母嗎?唉呦你家是你父母長大的是啊是啊是你的父母還是小孩子的父母?\n\n01:07.104 --> 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