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00:02:50,693\n所以就不會造成說不是很完善我所謂不夠完善就是說譬如說我們國內端的部分可能還有很多人認為程序比較繁瑣書表太多那這部分我覺得不夠完善不夠辨明\n\n9\n00:02:51,613 --> 00:02:58,297\n所以這樣就我們部長這邊就是要徘徊上要有一套的措施嘛希望就是說把就是移工的資料庫還有我們的僱主想要聘任的他們都是很容易就是找到移工移工也很容易跟僱主直接這樣子的話就會減少說仲介送費嘛所以說為什麼剛才你有說嘛為什麼僱主\n\n10\n00:03:19,190 --> 00:03:35,902\n比較不願意呢是因為不夠完善不夠簡化也找到的也不好找所以你說有但是為什麼大家沒有去應用還有說因為我們臺灣是希望就是政府對政府或者是有這樣子的一個完善的窗口\n\n11\n00:03:38,223 --> 00:03:50,068\n我們有窗口啦,可能台灣沒有窗口但是沒有打到這樣的效果嘛變成還是一樣透過仲介嘛大部分還是透過仲介嘛就像日本、韓國日本、韓國的話\n\n12\n00:03:53,169 --> 00:04:07,636\n都是應用現在缺工所以日本韓國像我們越南到韓國像我嫁來台灣我就可以推薦我的家人過去那一邊工作有出事情我要負責\n\n13\n00:04:08,817 --> 00:04:23,138\n要逃跑我要負責有可能因為我的家人我推薦的人逃跑我就會失去台灣拿身份證的資格所以我們希望的是說我們要如何就是真正的可以去管理還有協助\n\n14\n00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:50,132\n不只是說設在那邊,好看的用不著,這樣也不好,對不對,所以變成花政府的錢。所以我們希望說,我們部長都說,就是我們有這樣子的一個優化的拼顧的環境,讓我們的企業可以去應用,也要讓說國外的移工他可以透過這樣子,就不用透過仲介嘛,所以事然有這樣子的話,都請部長在\n\n15\n00:04:52,253 --> 00:04:59,508\n大概兩週內可不可以給我就是一個書面的報告完整的是說我們有這樣子的\n\n16\n00:05:00,526 --> 00:05:29,671\n有這個機制有這樣子的的完整的讓我們可以幫你去做宣傳幫我們的企業才能應用的到不是政府放在那一邊說我有啊我有啊因為我有但是你用不用是您打的打擊這樣子就不行所以說你說有但是為什麼部主沒有沒有想要去用就是因為不便民嘛才會造成這樣嘛所以現在\n\n17\n00:05:30,251 --> 00:05:48,481\n如果是有這樣子的機制又那麼好的環境的話為什麼我們今年就逃跑移工四年移工就達到八萬多人所以這個部分我們請教一下我們的部長你是如何去解決說這八萬移工在臺灣\n\n18\n00:05:50,962 --> 00:06:01,372\n如果他們生病了,他們就傳染至全國的人,誰要負責?所以你覺得說有沒有什麼策略來去解決說逃跑移工?因為我們有失聯移工的申請問題,\n\n19\n00:06:07,357 --> 00:06:29,962\n還有我們的僱主有要去有時候就是為了兩個恩怨去報說他逃跑給他去休假兩天但是又去報他說失聯也有所以這個地方要我們可以去協助所以這個部分有沒有說移工失聯的部分部長有沒有什麼解決的方案\n\n20\n00:06:30,502 --> 00:06:57,748\n不好意思,因為時間有關係,我簡單講第一個,失聯為什麼會突然暴增到八萬多是因為這三年的疫情這個邊境管制他進不來,進不來國內又缺工,所以這個造成...進不來缺工為什麼還要逃跑呢?缺工就不用再逃跑嘛,有雜班就不會再逃跑嘛因為是有問題才會逃跑嘛,對不對?不是有問題啊,不一定是他有,不一定是顧著有時候說是移工希望追求更高的薪資啦\n\n21\n00:06:58,428 --> 00:07:10,232\n這個因素很多因為疫情大家都缺工所以工作很多不會去逃跑的我們其實針對這個移工的那個我們在去年喔鎮長鎮長開放以後已經沒有疫情了所以我們的移工就逃跑力就不會掙扎了嗎不是不是我跟你講疫情逃跑然後最後一個問題因為時間的問題最後一個問題主席給我一分鐘最後一個問題我們關於就是現在\n\n22\n00:07:26,478 --> 00:07:52,864\n我們現在地震的時候是不是大家看一下我們是大家看這個照片是不是我們要去看護工的時候我們要去照顧這個移工因為地震他還爬上去保護他的僱主但是呢但是呢我們是家庭看護還有家庭幫傭是沒有勞保的\n\n23\n00:07:54,224 --> 00:08:20,663\n這個保障沒有勞保的所以這個部分的話誰來保障他們這個部分我們請部長一定要去尊重一定要去對因為在家庭看護工他沒有保障的這個部分所以呢我們希望說我們大家看護的病座沒有這樣子的保障還有我們最近我們是沒有保障還有說我們的\n\n24\n00:08:21,944 --> 00:08:37,235\n台灣的看護工也沒有...我們現在是不是我們台灣的看護工是不是現在我們都什麼都講我們薪水漲但是看護工的薪水沒有漲所以很多的看護工的...對,他們說漲的一點點還有他們就說比如說我來這邊這一家裡我照顧一個小時\n\n25\n00:08:44,580 --> 00:09:10,152\n但是呢我來這邊照顧一小時甚至我從另外一個場轉場到這邊半個小時等一下我要轉到要回去的時候就一個小時但是我只有領一個小時的工資這個也是對我們看護工不管是台灣還是我們外籍的保障所以這個部分的話請我們部長就是要重視才能保障我們的勞工的權利以上報告謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n269\t15519\t麥玉珍委員發言。好,有請勞動部部長,謝謝主席。麥委好。\n22073\t26895\t請問部長認為我們國家職聘的移工政策是否完善?\n44886\t73043\t我們當然職聘成立以後那我們有持續在精進讓他能夠解放因為我們現在的移工的引進我們是採多元就是說僱主他可以來使用職聘他也可以委託仲介他也可以自己引進那很多的因為一開始就是用開放的時候就是仲介來引進所以大家的習慣那職聘成立到現在也一段時間那當然或許大家會認為\n73863\t75546\t請勞動部長：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利部長、法務部、原住民族委員會及內政部、內政部、\n82017\t105557\t所以我們就覺得就是還有很大的空間要進步這個部分其實也跟我們報告我們也困難也不只說我們自己的國內制度要怎麼來把它簡化、精簡另外就是來源國這邊像越南、印尼他們就是比較不願意採資聘\n108100\t118051\t應該是沒有不願意採職聘,是因為我們沒有一個窗口去採職聘。對,窗口也是中介啊。我可以帶你去跨國事務中心,看我們的外國人事務中心,就在中華路那邊,我們有一個中心喔。\n128402\t131923\t但是如果是那麼完整的話 剛才你為什麼說還沒有那麼完善呢 有那麼完整應該是有很完善啊\n155407\t170693\t所以就不會造成說不是很完善我所謂不夠完善就是說譬如說我們國內端的部分可能還有很多人認為程序比較繁瑣書表太多那這部分我覺得不夠完善不夠辨明\n171613\t178297\t所以這樣就我們部長這邊就是要徘徊上要有一套的措施嘛希望就是說把就是移工的資料庫還有我們的僱主想要聘任的他們都是很容易就是找到移工移工也很容易跟僱主直接這樣子的話就會減少說仲介送費嘛所以說為什麼剛才你有說嘛為什麼僱主\n199190\t215902\t比較不願意呢是因為不夠完善不夠簡化也找到的也不好找所以你說有但是為什麼大家沒有去應用還有說因為我們臺灣是希望就是政府對政府或者是有這樣子的一個完善的窗口\n218223\t230068\t我們有窗口啦,可能台灣沒有窗口但是沒有打到這樣的效果嘛變成還是一樣透過仲介嘛大部分還是透過仲介嘛就像日本、韓國日本、韓國的話\n233169\t247636\t都是應用現在缺工所以日本韓國像我們越南到韓國像我嫁來台灣我就可以推薦我的家人過去那一邊工作有出事情我要負責\n248817\t263138\t要逃跑我要負責有可能因為我的家人我推薦的人逃跑我就會失去台灣拿身份證的資格所以我們希望的是說我們要如何就是真正的可以去管理還有協助\n264700\t290132\t不只是說設在那邊,好看的用不著,這樣也不好,對不對,所以變成花政府的錢。所以我們希望說,我們部長都說,就是我們有這樣子的一個優化的拼顧的環境,讓我們的企業可以去應用,也要讓說國外的移工他可以透過這樣子,就不用透過仲介嘛,所以事然有這樣子的話,都請部長在\n292253\t299508\t大概兩週內可不可以給我就是一個書面的報告完整的是說我們有這樣子的\n300526\t329671\t有這個機制有這樣子的的完整的讓我們可以幫你去做宣傳幫我們的企業才能應用的到不是政府放在那一邊說我有啊我有啊因為我有但是你用不用是您打的打擊這樣子就不行所以說你說有但是為什麼部主沒有沒有想要去用就是因為不便民嘛才會造成這樣嘛所以現在\n330251\t348481\t如果是有這樣子的機制又那麼好的環境的話為什麼我們今年就逃跑移工四年移工就達到八萬多人所以這個部分我們請教一下我們的部長你是如何去解決說這八萬移工在臺灣\n350962\t361372\t如果他們生病了,他們就傳染至全國的人,誰要負責?所以你覺得說有沒有什麼策略來去解決說逃跑移工?因為我們有失聯移工的申請問題,\n367357\t389962\t還有我們的僱主有要去有時候就是為了兩個恩怨去報說他逃跑給他去休假兩天但是又去報他說失聯也有所以這個地方要我們可以去協助所以這個部分有沒有說移工失聯的部分部長有沒有什麼解決的方案\n390502\t417748\t不好意思,因為時間有關係,我簡單講第一個,失聯為什麼會突然暴增到八萬多是因為這三年的疫情這個邊境管制他進不來,進不來國內又缺工,所以這個造成...進不來缺工為什麼還要逃跑呢?缺工就不用再逃跑嘛,有雜班就不會再逃跑嘛因為是有問題才會逃跑嘛,對不對?不是有問題啊,不一定是他有,不一定是顧著有時候說是移工希望追求更高的薪資啦\n418428\t430232\t這個因素很多因為疫情大家都缺工所以工作很多不會去逃跑的我們其實針對這個移工的那個我們在去年喔 鎮長鎮長開放以後已經沒有疫情了所以我們的移工就逃跑力就不會掙扎了嗎不是不是我跟你講疫情逃跑然後最後一個問題因為時間的問題最後一個問題主席給我一分鐘最後一個問題我們關於就是現在\n446478\t472864\t我們現在地震的時候是不是大家看一下我們是大家看這個照片是不是我們要去看護工的時候我們要去照顧這個移工因為地震他還爬上去保護他的僱主但是呢但是呢我們是家庭看護還有家庭幫傭是沒有勞保的\n474224\t500663\t這個保障沒有勞保的所以這個部分的話誰來保障他們這個部分我們請部長一定要去尊重一定要去對因為在家庭看護工他沒有保障的這個部分所以呢我們希望說我們大家看護的病座沒有這樣子的保障還有我們最近我們是沒有保障還有說我們的\n501944\t517235\t台灣的看護工也沒有...我們現在是不是我們台灣的看護工是不是現在我們都什麼都講我們薪水漲但是看護工的薪水沒有漲所以很多的看護工的...對,他們說漲的一點點還有他們就說比如說我來這邊這一家裡我照顧一個小時\n524580\t550152\t但是呢我來這邊照顧一小時甚至我從另外一個場轉場到這邊半個小時等一下我要轉到要回去的時候就一個小時但是我只有領一個小時的工資這個也是對我們看護工不管是台灣還是我們外籍的保障所以這個部分的話請我們部長就是要重視才能保障我們的勞工的權利以上報告謝謝\n","txt":"麥玉珍委員發言。好,有請勞動部部長,謝謝主席。麥委好。\n請問部長認為我們國家職聘的移工政策是否完善?\n我們當然職聘成立以後那我們有持續在精進讓他能夠解放因為我們現在的移工的引進我們是採多元就是說僱主他可以來使用職聘他也可以委託仲介他也可以自己引進那很多的因為一開始就是用開放的時候就是仲介來引進所以大家的習慣那職聘成立到現在也一段時間那當然或許大家會認為\n請勞動部長：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利部長、法務部、原住民族委員會及內政部、內政部、\n所以我們就覺得就是還有很大的空間要進步這個部分其實也跟我們報告我們也困難也不只說我們自己的國內制度要怎麼來把它簡化、精簡另外就是來源國這邊像越南、印尼他們就是比較不願意採資聘\n應該是沒有不願意採職聘,是因為我們沒有一個窗口去採職聘。對,窗口也是中介啊。我可以帶你去跨國事務中心,看我們的外國人事務中心,就在中華路那邊,我們有一個中心喔。\n但是如果是那麼完整的話 剛才你為什麼說還沒有那麼完善呢 有那麼完整應該是有很完善啊\n所以就不會造成說不是很完善我所謂不夠完善就是說譬如說我們國內端的部分可能還有很多人認為程序比較繁瑣書表太多那這部分我覺得不夠完善不夠辨明\n所以這樣就我們部長這邊就是要徘徊上要有一套的措施嘛希望就是說把就是移工的資料庫還有我們的僱主想要聘任的他們都是很容易就是找到移工移工也很容易跟僱主直接這樣子的話就會減少說仲介送費嘛所以說為什麼剛才你有說嘛為什麼僱主\n比較不願意呢是因為不夠完善不夠簡化也找到的也不好找所以你說有但是為什麼大家沒有去應用還有說因為我們臺灣是希望就是政府對政府或者是有這樣子的一個完善的窗口\n我們有窗口啦,可能台灣沒有窗口但是沒有打到這樣的效果嘛變成還是一樣透過仲介嘛大部分還是透過仲介嘛就像日本、韓國日本、韓國的話\n都是應用現在缺工所以日本韓國像我們越南到韓國像我嫁來台灣我就可以推薦我的家人過去那一邊工作有出事情我要負責\n要逃跑我要負責有可能因為我的家人我推薦的人逃跑我就會失去台灣拿身份證的資格所以我們希望的是說我們要如何就是真正的可以去管理還有協助\n不只是說設在那邊,好看的用不著,這樣也不好,對不對,所以變成花政府的錢。所以我們希望說,我們部長都說,就是我們有這樣子的一個優化的拼顧的環境,讓我們的企業可以去應用,也要讓說國外的移工他可以透過這樣子,就不用透過仲介嘛,所以事然有這樣子的話,都請部長在\n大概兩週內可不可以給我就是一個書面的報告完整的是說我們有這樣子的\n有這個機制有這樣子的的完整的讓我們可以幫你去做宣傳幫我們的企業才能應用的到不是政府放在那一邊說我有啊我有啊因為我有但是你用不用是您打的打擊這樣子就不行所以說你說有但是為什麼部主沒有沒有想要去用就是因為不便民嘛才會造成這樣嘛所以現在\n如果是有這樣子的機制又那麼好的環境的話為什麼我們今年就逃跑移工四年移工就達到八萬多人所以這個部分我們請教一下我們的部長你是如何去解決說這八萬移工在臺灣\n如果他們生病了,他們就傳染至全國的人,誰要負責?所以你覺得說有沒有什麼策略來去解決說逃跑移工?因為我們有失聯移工的申請問題,\n還有我們的僱主有要去有時候就是為了兩個恩怨去報說他逃跑給他去休假兩天但是又去報他說失聯也有所以這個地方要我們可以去協助所以這個部分有沒有說移工失聯的部分部長有沒有什麼解決的方案\n不好意思,因為時間有關係,我簡單講第一個,失聯為什麼會突然暴增到八萬多是因為這三年的疫情這個邊境管制他進不來,進不來國內又缺工,所以這個造成...進不來缺工為什麼還要逃跑呢?缺工就不用再逃跑嘛,有雜班就不會再逃跑嘛因為是有問題才會逃跑嘛,對不對?不是有問題啊,不一定是他有,不一定是顧著有時候說是移工希望追求更高的薪資啦\n這個因素很多因為疫情大家都缺工所以工作很多不會去逃跑的我們其實針對這個移工的那個我們在去年喔 鎮長鎮長開放以後已經沒有疫情了所以我們的移工就逃跑力就不會掙扎了嗎不是不是我跟你講疫情逃跑然後最後一個問題因為時間的問題最後一個問題主席給我一分鐘最後一個問題我們關於就是現在\n我們現在地震的時候是不是大家看一下我們是大家看這個照片是不是我們要去看護工的時候我們要去照顧這個移工因為地震他還爬上去保護他的僱主但是呢但是呢我們是家庭看護還有家庭幫傭是沒有勞保的\n這個保障沒有勞保的所以這個部分的話誰來保障他們這個部分我們請部長一定要去尊重一定要去對因為在家庭看護工他沒有保障的這個部分所以呢我們希望說我們大家看護的病座沒有這樣子的保障還有我們最近我們是沒有保障還有說我們的\n台灣的看護工也沒有...我們現在是不是我們台灣的看護工是不是現在我們都什麼都講我們薪水漲但是看護工的薪水沒有漲所以很多的看護工的...對,他們說漲的一點點還有他們就說比如說我來這邊這一家裡我照顧一個小時\n但是呢我來這邊照顧一小時甚至我從另外一個場轉場到這邊半個小時等一下我要轉到要回去的時候就一個小時但是我只有領一個小時的工資這個也是對我們看護工不管是台灣還是我們外籍的保障所以這個部分的話請我們部長就是要重視才能保障我們的勞工的權利以上報告謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.269 --> 00:15.519\n麥玉珍委員發言。好,有請勞動部部長,謝謝主席。麥委好。\n\n00:22.073 --> 00:26.895\n請問部長認為我們國家職聘的移工政策是否完善?\n\n00:44.886 --> 01:13.043\n我們當然職聘成立以後那我們有持續在精進讓他能夠解放因為我們現在的移工的引進我們是採多元就是說僱主他可以來使用職聘他也可以委託仲介他也可以自己引進那很多的因為一開始就是用開放的時候就是仲介來引進所以大家的習慣那職聘成立到現在也一段時間那當然或許大家會認為\n\n01:13.863 --> 01:15.546\n請勞動部長：立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生福利部長、法務部、原住民族委員會及內政部、內政部、\n\n01:22.017 --> 01:45.557\n所以我們就覺得就是還有很大的空間要進步這個部分其實也跟我們報告我們也困難也不只說我們自己的國內制度要怎麼來把它簡化、精簡另外就是來源國這邊像越南、印尼他們就是比較不願意採資聘\n\n01:48.100 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有那麼完整應該是有很完善啊"},{"start":155.407,"end":170.693,"text":"所以就不會造成說不是很完善我所謂不夠完善就是說譬如說我們國內端的部分可能還有很多人認為程序比較繁瑣書表太多那這部分我覺得不夠完善不夠辨明"},{"start":171.613,"end":178.297,"text":"所以這樣就我們部長這邊就是要徘徊上要有一套的措施嘛希望就是說把就是移工的資料庫還有我們的僱主想要聘任的他們都是很容易就是找到移工移工也很容易跟僱主直接這樣子的話就會減少說仲介送費嘛所以說為什麼剛才你有說嘛為什麼僱主"},{"start":199.19,"end":215.902,"text":"比較不願意呢是因為不夠完善不夠簡化也找到的也不好找所以你說有但是為什麼大家沒有去應用還有說因為我們臺灣是希望就是政府對政府或者是有這樣子的一個完善的窗口"},{"start":218.223,"end":230.068,"text":"我們有窗口啦,可能台灣沒有窗口但是沒有打到這樣的效果嘛變成還是一樣透過仲介嘛大部分還是透過仲介嘛就像日本、韓國日本、韓國的話"},{"start":233.169,"end":247.636,"text":"都是應用現在缺工所以日本韓國像我們越南到韓國像我嫁來台灣我就可以推薦我的家人過去那一邊工作有出事情我要負責"},{"start":248.817,"end":263.138,"text":"要逃跑我要負責有可能因為我的家人我推薦的人逃跑我就會失去台灣拿身份證的資格所以我們希望的是說我們要如何就是真正的可以去管理還有協助"},{"start":264.7,"end":290.132,"text":"不只是說設在那邊,好看的用不著,這樣也不好,對不對,所以變成花政府的錢。所以我們希望說,我們部長都說,就是我們有這樣子的一個優化的拼顧的環境,讓我們的企業可以去應用,也要讓說國外的移工他可以透過這樣子,就不用透過仲介嘛,所以事然有這樣子的話,都請部長在"},{"start":292.253,"end":299.508,"text":"大概兩週內可不可以給我就是一個書面的報告完整的是說我們有這樣子的"},{"start":300.526,"end":329.671,"text":"有這個機制有這樣子的的完整的讓我們可以幫你去做宣傳幫我們的企業才能應用的到不是政府放在那一邊說我有啊我有啊因為我有但是你用不用是您打的打擊這樣子就不行所以說你說有但是為什麼部主沒有沒有想要去用就是因為不便民嘛才會造成這樣嘛所以現在"},{"start":330.251,"end":348.481,"text":"如果是有這樣子的機制又那麼好的環境的話為什麼我們今年就逃跑移工四年移工就達到八萬多人所以這個部分我們請教一下我們的部長你是如何去解決說這八萬移工在臺灣"},{"start":350.962,"end":361.372,"text":"如果他們生病了,他們就傳染至全國的人,誰要負責?所以你覺得說有沒有什麼策略來去解決說逃跑移工?因為我們有失聯移工的申請問題,"},{"start":367.357,"end":389.962,"text":"還有我們的僱主有要去有時候就是為了兩個恩怨去報說他逃跑給他去休假兩天但是又去報他說失聯也有所以這個地方要我們可以去協助所以這個部分有沒有說移工失聯的部分部長有沒有什麼解決的方案"},{"start":390.502,"end":417.748,"text":"不好意思,因為時間有關係,我簡單講第一個,失聯為什麼會突然暴增到八萬多是因為這三年的疫情這個邊境管制他進不來,進不來國內又缺工,所以這個造成...進不來缺工為什麼還要逃跑呢?缺工就不用再逃跑嘛,有雜班就不會再逃跑嘛因為是有問題才會逃跑嘛,對不對?不是有問題啊,不一定是他有,不一定是顧著有時候說是移工希望追求更高的薪資啦"},{"start":418.428,"end":430.232,"text":"這個因素很多因為疫情大家都缺工所以工作很多不會去逃跑的我們其實針對這個移工的那個我們在去年喔 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