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00:00:43,282\n這個節目非常好看《女孩上場2》是在客語台播出這裡面不是只有講客語這件事情令人感到亮眼而是這裡面它讓大量的女性運動員直接上場演出而且這裡面還直指了非常多我們在教育文化委員會一直關心的體談的狀況包含\n\n3\n00:00:45,743 --> 00:00:46,263\n謝謝委員我想先問一個題目來下一頁\n\n4\n00:01:13,183 --> 00:01:26,300\n請問兒少就次長或是董事長在你們的心中兒少是0歲到幾歲以目前公視的規劃來說其實是0到18歲18歲這是公視的規劃但是有分不同層那我們一般做兒少節目的統計大概就到12歲對沒錯\n\n5\n00:01:27,882 --> 00:01:54,476\n這是最大的問題就是大部分在製作兒少節目的人不管是剛剛參加林委員問的他們可能過往是做成人節目或者是你現在問現場的每一個大人到底對兒少的想像是到幾歲大部分人真的都到12歲也就是說青少年是被自動排擠在外面的可是我們就剛剛林委員也有提到就聯合國的定義他其實是到18歲所以當我們心裡面想的是0到18歲的小孩而且數位世代小孩的樣貌其實我們是陌生的\n\n6\n00:01:55,416 --> 00:02:10,053\n我們在跟教育部在跟衛福部對話孩子們的自殺死因的時候有非常非常多專家都告訴我們現在這個世代的大人其實對數位世代的兒童是非常非常非常陌生的所以如果用這個認知來往下看來下一頁\n\n7\n00:02:10,774 --> 00:02:13,176\n我們想要快速跟董事長也跟次長討論我們如何回到一個全然去觀看兒童認識兒童的角度來看所有後續你們還要爭案的節目還要製作的節目來下一頁我們之前一直在跟公視談產業領頭羊這件事情我們也非常感謝在史部長任內他要成立兒童頻道台\n\n8\n00:02:30,146 --> 00:02:33,769\n可是剛剛有一句話葉委員沒有讓次長講完我這邊想要請教次長剛剛您說現在單台的頻道這個並不是趨勢後續要怎麼發展因為剛剛葉委員沒有讓您講完我想要聽聽看次長您的看法應該是經營多平台因為看起來整體的收視習慣鎖定在單一的電視頻道的習慣確實是困難的\n\n9\n00:02:53,863 --> 00:03:20,576\n對沒錯連BBC都把他們自己的兒童節目下架他們只放在網路上那所以我相信我們台灣做這個決定可能是彌補過去我們來不及做的事情可是我覺得次長你已經講到關鍵我相信後續很多委員的關心也會放在這裡多頻道的這件事情上那我們往下看喔我們來看到關於自治這件事情其實剛剛在你們給我們的報告你們說要調整嘛變成600多個小時我們之前一直跟公共電視提到這件事情來下一頁\n\n10\n00:03:21,636 --> 00:03:50,242\n我們看到一個很大的問題這個是我們跟你們索資然後你們在3月7號提供給我們你們113年兒少內容產製及平台工作計畫你們給我們的報告裡面告訴我們你們預計要產製362個小時可是我們看整個小公視的計畫它其實一年365天一天20個小時總計7300個小時如同剛剛次長說的它在首播之後一直重播一直重播一直重播這也是其他單台的狀態我們可以想像所以我們來看第一年\n\n11\n00:03:50,962 --> 00:04:06,047\n字字節目只佔總時數的4.95%不到5%可是我剛剛說你說是600多個小時那就是不到10%可是再扣掉重播那我們可以想見這個數字其實國人是不會滿意的怎麼說我們來看下一頁\n\n12\n00:04:08,208 --> 00:04:21,977\n在1月29日公視徵案完畢以後一樣是公視給我們的資料你們告訴我們現在實際已經徵案並且成功發出案子沒有廢標的案子目前是104.5小時一樣回到小公視的整個時數不到3%不到2%\n\n13\n00:04:24,298 --> 00:04:40,969\n我們當然知道有重播這個的需求然後首播完之後可是我們還是覺得這個這次節目的量能一定出現了問題一定就大家看到因為大家都一直罵6億6億這件事情可是我們幫你們把成本結構看完其實放在製作節目大概只有4億多我應該沒有記錯對嗎\n\n14\n00:04:43,406 --> 00:04:43,646\n施毅東施毅東\n\n15\n00:05:31,608 --> 00:05:56,155\n如果讓圓餅圖來表現這個7300個小時至於已經整來目前才1.4然後你們目前開出來的預計時數也才4.7%下一頁所以對我們來說公視可不可以更積極的告訴國人我們這個4億多的製作經費未來將提供更多製作節目這件事情我們有多少的人力提升多少的預算投入多少的比例然後我們預計達到多少績效\n\n16\n00:05:57,642 --> 00:06:24,355\n我想公視應該可以提供這樣子的報告給委員參考那我們是壓一個月內有機會嗎?一個月內所以包含把今年度所有的節目那有機會到來年的規劃嗎?來年的規劃是不是在給公視比較長的時間好那我們就一個月內希望可以收到今年度的規劃節目報告可以嗎?好那我相信是所有教文委員會不是只有我們辦公室我相信所有教文化委員會的委員都會關心好來下一個\n\n17\n00:06:26,056 --> 00:06:45,012\n再來就關於人才培育的部分來下一頁我們在你們的報告裡面我們先說去年10月非常感謝還有林楚瑛委員還有陳廷飛委員我們一起辦了座談會那公視有派人出席嗎我有點忘記了有非常多產業界的人在提出來關於人才培育這件事情在你們給我們的報告裡面來往下\n\n18\n00:06:46,673 --> 00:07:01,663\n在你們給我們回覆辦公室的報告裡面你們說你們確實在兒童台會做兒少影音人才培育計畫這是你們的回覆我們來看一下你們說要提供有心實作的工作機會還要跟公視資深的兒少製作人員從實務中學習還要結合研習還要施法慕尼黑雙年影展國際性觀摩經驗還要策劃工作方觀影研究引進這麼多這麼多我想問一下這個實際的人才培育在公共電視的心裡頭在兒童頻道這件事情你到底是怎麼想的來\n\n19\n00:07:16,633 --> 00:07:16,893\n陳培瑜議員\n\n20\n00:08:08,707 --> 00:08:35,406\n但是我現在投影片上寫的其實是你們提供給我們的資料可是我剛剛說我們其實看不到更多具體的細部規劃跟委員做說明因為整個公視在兒少影音的產出的人才培育上面目前的計畫採取的其實就是共治、共作的方法、賦育、陪伴的方法當然也有補助然後也有徵案那但是就整體來說因為在現在的這個基礎下面整體的量能是缺乏的\n\n21\n00:08:35,686 --> 00:09:05,409\n那公視幾乎是擁有台灣最重要的製作兒少影音節目的人才跟製作團隊沒錯沒錯我們等一下會談到其他頻道也是有這個技術的內容那我想我覺得大家要看到是更具體的人才培育的部分好不好因為相關預算如果也是有在裡頭因為除了我剛剛說4億多的製作費用之外其實6億還有編到其他的費用去所以除非在人才培育其實計畫預算並沒有去支持那我覺得應該要回來跟立法院討論這個預算的問題所以可不可以給我們更具體的人才\n\n22\n00:09:05,589 --> 00:09:05,629\n主席\n\n23\n00:09:28,031 --> 00:09:46,631\n公視在報告裡面還提到要做多元語言節目這件事情我們來看一下這個是我們調出不同台就是台語台客家台的兒少節目我們來看下一頁相關的時數我們可以看得出來客家電視台近三年的產製其實已經非常非常辛苦了再來下一頁\n\n24\n00:09:47,432 --> 00:10:08,398\n再來看到那你們告訴我們說你們預計禮拜一到禮拜五的帶狀節目會去拿課台、台語台、原民台四台合制的節目來做所謂多元語言節目的計畫符合可是有沒有機會公視兒童台自己有機會自製自己的兒童節目因為我們可以想像打開課台打開原民台打開台語台的受眾跟專門打開兒童台他絕對不會是同樣的受眾\n\n25\n00:10:12,499 --> 00:10:33,899\n有沒有機會為全新的受眾、全新的想像去做專屬於兒童台自己的多元語言節目?當然你們還是可以放到課台去播,對嗎?還是放到台裡台去播,有沒有機會是自己製作的?新的?公視有自製的計畫,包括它現在其實有製作越南語的新著名節目的計畫。好,這個我們也有看到,但是因為廢標了嘛,公視說要自製嘛,對不對?60幾集我也看到。65集。\n\n26\n00:10:37,422 --> 00:10:37,502\n主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t1590\t好 謝謝主席 那有請次長還有董事長 謝謝好 有請王次長還有吳董事長 謝謝委員好好 次長好 我很多事情要問之前我想先給公視一個非常非常棒的肯定而且可能大家都沒有注意到這個節目 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謝謝主席 那有請次長還有董事長 謝謝好 有請王次長還有吳董事長 謝謝委員好好 次長好 我很多事情要問之前我想先給公視一個非常非常棒的肯定而且可能大家都沒有注意到這個節目 來下一頁\n這個節目非常好看《女孩上場2》是在客語台播出這裡面不是只有講客語這件事情令人感到亮眼而是這裡面它讓大量的女性運動員直接上場演出而且這裡面還直指了非常多我們在教育文化委員會一直關心的體談的狀況包含\n謝謝委員我想先問一個題目來下一頁\n請問兒少就次長或是董事長在你們的心中兒少是0歲到幾歲以目前公視的規劃來說其實是0到18歲18歲這是公視的規劃但是有分不同層那我們一般做兒少節目的統計大概就到12歲對沒錯\n這是最大的問題就是大部分在製作兒少節目的人不管是剛剛參加林委員問的他們可能過往是做成人節目或者是你現在問現場的每一個大人到底對兒少的想像是到幾歲大部分人真的都到12歲也就是說青少年是被自動排擠在外面的可是我們就剛剛林委員也有提到就聯合國的定義他其實是到18歲所以當我們心裡面想的是0到18歲的小孩而且數位世代小孩的樣貌其實我們是陌生的\n我們在跟教育部在跟衛福部對話孩子們的自殺死因的時候有非常非常多專家都告訴我們現在這個世代的大人其實對數位世代的兒童是非常非常非常陌生的所以如果用這個認知來往下看來下一頁\n我們想要快速跟董事長也跟次長討論我們如何回到一個全然去觀看兒童認識兒童的角度來看所有後續你們還要爭案的節目還要製作的節目來下一頁我們之前一直在跟公視談產業領頭羊這件事情我們也非常感謝在史部長任內他要成立兒童頻道台\n可是剛剛有一句話葉委員沒有讓次長講完我這邊想要請教次長剛剛您說現在單台的頻道這個並不是趨勢後續要怎麼發展因為剛剛葉委員沒有讓您講完我想要聽聽看次長您的看法應該是經營多平台因為看起來整體的收視習慣鎖定在單一的電視頻道的習慣確實是困難的\n對沒錯連BBC都把他們自己的兒童節目下架他們只放在網路上那所以我相信我們台灣做這個決定可能是彌補過去我們來不及做的事情可是我覺得次長你已經講到關鍵我相信後續很多委員的關心也會放在這裡多頻道的這件事情上那我們往下看喔我們來看到關於自治這件事情其實剛剛在你們給我們的報告你們說要調整嘛變成600多個小時我們之前一直跟公共電視提到這件事情來下一頁\n我們看到一個很大的問題這個是我們跟你們索資然後你們在3月7號提供給我們你們113年兒少內容產製及平台工作計畫你們給我們的報告裡面告訴我們你們預計要產製362個小時可是我們看整個小公視的計畫它其實一年365天一天20個小時總計7300個小時如同剛剛次長說的它在首播之後一直重播一直重播一直重播這也是其他單台的狀態我們可以想像所以我們來看第一年\n字字節目只佔總時數的4.95%不到5%可是我剛剛說你說是600多個小時那就是不到10%可是再扣掉重播那我們可以想見這個數字其實國人是不會滿意的怎麼說我們來看下一頁\n在1月29日公視徵案完畢以後一樣是公視給我們的資料你們告訴我們現在實際已經徵案並且成功發出案子沒有廢標的案子目前是104.5小時一樣回到小公視的整個時數不到3%不到2%\n我們當然知道有重播這個的需求然後首播完之後可是我們還是覺得這個這次節目的量能一定出現了問題一定就大家看到因為大家都一直罵6億6億這件事情可是我們幫你們把成本結構看完其實放在製作節目大概只有4億多我應該沒有記錯 對嗎\n施毅東施毅東\n⋯⋯⋯\n如果讓圓餅圖來表現這個7300個小時至於已經整來目前才1.4然後你們目前開出來的預計時數也才4.7%下一頁所以對我們來說公視可不可以更積極的告訴國人我們這個4億多的製作經費未來將提供更多製作節目這件事情我們有多少的人力提升多少的預算投入多少的比例然後我們預計達到多少績效\n我想公視應該可以提供這樣子的報告給委員參考那我們是壓一個月內有機會嗎?一個月內所以包含把今年度所有的節目那有機會到來年的規劃嗎?來年的規劃是不是在給公視比較長的時間好那我們就一個月內希望可以收到今年度的規劃節目報告可以嗎?好那我相信是所有教文委員會不是只有我們辦公室我相信所有教文化委員會的委員都會關心好來下一個\n再來就關於人才培育的部分來下一頁我們在你們的報告裡面我們先說去年10月非常感謝還有林楚瑛委員還有陳廷飛委員我們一起辦了座談會那公視有派人出席嗎我有點忘記了有非常多產業界的人在提出來關於人才培育這件事情在你們給我們的報告裡面來往下\n在你們給我們回覆辦公室的報告裡面你們說你們確實在兒童台會做兒少影音人才培育計畫這是你們的回覆我們來看一下你們說要提供有心實作的工作機會還要跟公視資深的兒少製作人員從實務中學習還要結合研習還要施法慕尼黑雙年影展國際性觀摩經驗還要策劃工作方觀影研究引進這麼多這麼多我想問一下這個實際的人才培育在公共電視的心裡頭在兒童頻道這件事情你到底是怎麼想的來\n陳培瑜議員\n⋯⋯⋯⋯\n但是我現在投影片上寫的其實是你們提供給我們的資料可是我剛剛說我們其實看不到更多具體的細部規劃跟委員做說明因為整個公視在兒少影音的產出的人才培育上面目前的計畫採取的其實就是共治、共作的方法、賦育、陪伴的方法當然也有補助然後也有徵案那但是就整體來說因為在現在的這個基礎下面整體的量能是缺乏的\n那公視幾乎是擁有台灣最重要的製作兒少影音節目的人才跟製作團隊沒錯沒錯我們等一下會談到其他頻道也是有這個技術的內容那我想我覺得大家要看到是更具體的人才培育的部分好不好因為相關預算如果也是有在裡頭因為除了我剛剛說4億多的製作費用之外其實6億還有編到其他的費用去所以除非在人才培育其實計畫預算並沒有去支持那我覺得應該要回來跟立法院討論這個預算的問題所以可不可以給我們更具體的人才\n主席\n公視在報告裡面還提到要做多元語言節目這件事情我們來看一下這個是我們調出不同台就是台語台客家台的兒少節目我們來看下一頁相關的時數我們可以看得出來客家電視台近三年的產製其實已經非常非常辛苦了再來下一頁\n再來看到那你們告訴我們說你們預計禮拜一到禮拜五的帶狀節目會去拿課台、台語台、原民台四台合制的節目來做所謂多元語言節目的計畫符合可是有沒有機會公視兒童台自己有機會自製自己的兒童節目因為我們可以想像打開課台打開原民台打開台語台的受眾跟專門打開兒童台他絕對不會是同樣的受眾\n有沒有機會為全新的受眾、全新的想像去做專屬於兒童台自己的多元語言節目?當然你們還是可以放到課台去播,對嗎?還是放到台裡台去播,有沒有機會是自己製作的?新的?公視有自製的計畫,包括它現在其實有製作越南語的新著名節目的計畫。好,這個我們也有看到,但是因為廢標了嘛,公視說要自製嘛,對不對?60幾集我也看到。65集。\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:01.590\n好謝謝主席那有請次長還有董事長謝謝好有請王次長還有吳董事長謝謝委員好好次長好我很多事情要問之前我想先給公視一個非常非常棒的肯定而且可能大家都沒有注意到這個節目來下一頁\n\n00:27.013 --> 00:43.282\n這個節目非常好看《女孩上場2》是在客語台播出這裡面不是只有講客語這件事情令人感到亮眼而是這裡面它讓大量的女性運動員直接上場演出而且這裡面還直指了非常多我們在教育文化委員會一直關心的體談的狀況包含\n\n00:45.743 --> 00:46.263\n謝謝委員我想先問一個題目來下一頁\n\n01:13.183 --> 01:26.300\n請問兒少就次長或是董事長在你們的心中兒少是0歲到幾歲以目前公視的規劃來說其實是0到18歲18歲這是公視的規劃但是有分不同層那我們一般做兒少節目的統計大概就到12歲對沒錯\n\n01:27.882 --> 01:54.476\n這是最大的問題就是大部分在製作兒少節目的人不管是剛剛參加林委員問的他們可能過往是做成人節目或者是你現在問現場的每一個大人到底對兒少的想像是到幾歲大部分人真的都到12歲也就是說青少年是被自動排擠在外面的可是我們就剛剛林委員也有提到就聯合國的定義他其實是到18歲所以當我們心裡面想的是0到18歲的小孩而且數位世代小孩的樣貌其實我們是陌生的\n\n01:55.416 --> 02:10.053\n我們在跟教育部在跟衛福部對話孩子們的自殺死因的時候有非常非常多專家都告訴我們現在這個世代的大人其實對數位世代的兒童是非常非常非常陌生的所以如果用這個認知來往下看來下一頁\n\n02:10.774 --> 02:13.176\n我們想要快速跟董事長也跟次長討論我們如何回到一個全然去觀看兒童認識兒童的角度來看所有後續你們還要爭案的節目還要製作的節目來下一頁我們之前一直在跟公視談產業領頭羊這件事情我們也非常感謝在史部長任內他要成立兒童頻道台\n\n02:30.146 --> 02:33.769\n可是剛剛有一句話葉委員沒有讓次長講完我這邊想要請教次長剛剛您說現在單台的頻道這個並不是趨勢後續要怎麼發展因為剛剛葉委員沒有讓您講完我想要聽聽看次長您的看法應該是經營多平台因為看起來整體的收視習慣鎖定在單一的電視頻道的習慣確實是困難的\n\n02:53.863 --> 03:20.576\n對沒錯連BBC都把他們自己的兒童節目下架他們只放在網路上那所以我相信我們台灣做這個決定可能是彌補過去我們來不及做的事情可是我覺得次長你已經講到關鍵我相信後續很多委員的關心也會放在這裡多頻道的這件事情上那我們往下看喔我們來看到關於自治這件事情其實剛剛在你們給我們的報告你們說要調整嘛變成600多個小時我們之前一直跟公共電視提到這件事情來下一頁\n\n03:21.636 --> 03:50.242\n我們看到一個很大的問題這個是我們跟你們索資然後你們在3月7號提供給我們你們113年兒少內容產製及平台工作計畫你們給我們的報告裡面告訴我們你們預計要產製362個小時可是我們看整個小公視的計畫它其實一年365天一天20個小時總計7300個小時如同剛剛次長說的它在首播之後一直重播一直重播一直重播這也是其他單台的狀態我們可以想像所以我們來看第一年\n\n03:50.962 --> 04:06.047\n字字節目只佔總時數的4.95%不到5%可是我剛剛說你說是600多個小時那就是不到10%可是再扣掉重播那我們可以想見這個數字其實國人是不會滿意的怎麼說我們來看下一頁\n\n04:08.208 --> 04:21.977\n在1月29日公視徵案完畢以後一樣是公視給我們的資料你們告訴我們現在實際已經徵案並且成功發出案子沒有廢標的案子目前是104.5小時一樣回到小公視的整個時數不到3%不到2%\n\n04:24.298 --> 04:40.969\n我們當然知道有重播這個的需求然後首播完之後可是我們還是覺得這個這次節目的量能一定出現了問題一定就大家看到因為大家都一直罵6億6億這件事情可是我們幫你們把成本結構看完其實放在製作節目大概只有4億多我應該沒有記錯對嗎\n\n04:43.406 --> 04:43.646\n施毅東施毅東\n\n05:31.608 --> 05:56.155\n如果讓圓餅圖來表現這個7300個小時至於已經整來目前才1.4然後你們目前開出來的預計時數也才4.7%下一頁所以對我們來說公視可不可以更積極的告訴國人我們這個4億多的製作經費未來將提供更多製作節目這件事情我們有多少的人力提升多少的預算投入多少的比例然後我們預計達到多少績效\n\n05:57.642 --> 06:24.355\n我想公視應該可以提供這樣子的報告給委員參考那我們是壓一個月內有機會嗎?一個月內所以包含把今年度所有的節目那有機會到來年的規劃嗎?來年的規劃是不是在給公視比較長的時間好那我們就一個月內希望可以收到今年度的規劃節目報告可以嗎?好那我相信是所有教文委員會不是只有我們辦公室我相信所有教文化委員會的委員都會關心好來下一個\n\n06:26.056 --> 06:45.012\n再來就關於人才培育的部分來下一頁我們在你們的報告裡面我們先說去年10月非常感謝還有林楚瑛委員還有陳廷飛委員我們一起辦了座談會那公視有派人出席嗎我有點忘記了有非常多產業界的人在提出來關於人才培育這件事情在你們給我們的報告裡面來往下\n\n06:46.673 --> 07:01.663\n在你們給我們回覆辦公室的報告裡面你們說你們確實在兒童台會做兒少影音人才培育計畫這是你們的回覆我們來看一下你們說要提供有心實作的工作機會還要跟公視資深的兒少製作人員從實務中學習還要結合研習還要施法慕尼黑雙年影展國際性觀摩經驗還要策劃工作方觀影研究引進這麼多這麼多我想問一下這個實際的人才培育在公共電視的心裡頭在兒童頻道這件事情你到底是怎麼想的來\n\n07:16.633 --> 07:16.893\n陳培瑜議員\n\n08:08.707 --> 08:35.406\n但是我現在投影片上寫的其實是你們提供給我們的資料可是我剛剛說我們其實看不到更多具體的細部規劃跟委員做說明因為整個公視在兒少影音的產出的人才培育上面目前的計畫採取的其實就是共治、共作的方法、賦育、陪伴的方法當然也有補助然後也有徵案那但是就整體來說因為在現在的這個基礎下面整體的量能是缺乏的\n\n08:35.686 --> 09:05.409\n那公視幾乎是擁有台灣最重要的製作兒少影音節目的人才跟製作團隊沒錯沒錯我們等一下會談到其他頻道也是有這個技術的內容那我想我覺得大家要看到是更具體的人才培育的部分好不好因為相關預算如果也是有在裡頭因為除了我剛剛說4億多的製作費用之外其實6億還有編到其他的費用去所以除非在人才培育其實計畫預算並沒有去支持那我覺得應該要回來跟立法院討論這個預算的問題所以可不可以給我們更具體的人才\n\n09:05.589 --> 09:05.629\n主席\n\n09:28.031 --> 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