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00:00:50,833\n委員好部長好部長其實我們今天來討論就業服務法上路超過三十年我們也已經有了原住民的工作權保障法但是呢根據我們原民會所做的一個資料111年度的資料原住民的就業現況其實還是低於全體國民很多以工作收入來講大約少了一萬元\n\n3\n00:00:52,054 --> 00:01:18,288\n家庭年平均比全體國民少了52萬低收入戶的比率全體國民的4倍從事非典型工作的也比全體國民高出10%我想這個現況其實是告訴我們還有很多帶努力的空間為了這種改善就業的困境其實我們也都多方的努力以這個就業服務法第12條來講\n\n4\n00:01:19,969 --> 00:01:38,515\n他設置這個法條二十多年他說原住民人口達兩萬人以上的縣市得設立因應原住民族特殊文化的原住民公立就業服務機構那我也質詢很多次之後謝謝部長您勇於認識\n\n5\n00:01:39,795 --> 00:02:04,952\n您在2022年就正式的函文說確認發布補助地方政府設置原住民族就業服務據點計畫那非常感謝您因為我們的目標就是希望能夠有一個公立的就業服務機構那目前從去年到今年我看到也有屏東、高雄、台中、新北、台北、桃園6個縣市提出那也許未來還會陸陸續續有更多的縣市提出\n\n6\n00:02:10,095 --> 00:02:37,447\n我在這邊就是要特別的來講一下因為這個原民會的就業服務據點辦公室他用的是原住民的綜合發展基金因為以前雖然救福法有這麼規定但是沒有人設立嘛沒有地方政府願意嘛所以呢原民會也就用原住民綜合發展基金來扛這件事情在各地也都設有這樣的一個救福員跟救福站\n\n7\n00:02:38,027 --> 00:02:58,086\n那現在他的預算來源是公務預算還有那一些人家繳交的貸金、支息等等來做這些事那我想先請教一下我們的部長就是未來我們的目標是要有公立的原住民就業服務機構部長您可不可以談一下這個未來我們可以繼續怎麼做繼續推進\n\n8\n00:03:02,202 --> 00:03:29,620\n這個我想我們都有定要點嘛有補助啊據點他們據點優先來推動我上個月有找衛福部跟園民會來召開一個會議嘛因為您之前在韓文發布的時候您也有提到勞動部及園民會的職責及經費來源解決疊床架屋的問題嘛它最終就是我們要一個公立的就業服務機構所以這個方向\n\n9\n00:03:30,521 --> 00:03:36,015\n我們還是要去談那未來勞動部有什麼樣的方向其實我上個月有找兩個部會來談過\n\n10\n00:03:38,891 --> 00:04:04,078\n我們基本上不反對啦。我是覺得地方政府要組織員的,他要編啦。是。那勞動部可不可以極力幫忙主張啊?因為這是救福法裡面規定的啊。對對對。這個沒有問題啊。沒有問題齁。好。我們支持啊。好。那原民會。對。對。勞動部你們是主管機關啊。要支持啊。要主動啊。現在變成立委一直質詢一直質詢啊。\n\n11\n00:04:08,819 --> 00:04:20,715\n我們也在鼓勵他們啦,沒辦法強迫說你一定要怎麼樣,因為畢竟他還是...但是要有主張啦,就像你們找到方法了嘛,我們就往前推進一步嘛,對不對?好,那請教一下園民會羅處長,那現在...\n\n12\n00:04:24,119 --> 00:04:40,460\n原住民就業基金它的支出成本就降低了嘛因為勞動部這邊也有設置這樣的那我們也朝向目標是整病未來成為公立的救福中心可是我希望的就是我們原住民族重發基金啊\n\n13\n00:04:41,681 --> 00:05:04,676\n應該是要讓他去做一些促進就業的事情因為我們剛剛第一章就看了啊就就業情況很糟啊都已經民國113年了啊那我是說要多做一些就業促進的事情我之前也質詢在原民會就是我講的安心上工讓他常設常態化因為部落很多青年要返鄉\n\n14\n00:05:05,757 --> 00:05:26,163\n他不足以支撐他做的這些什麼露營場事業那也有很多部落的高齡還有工作能力的我更更加捨不得的是那些很多洗腎的病患他根本沒有辦法出去找到工作但是他還有工作能力那我不曉得這個安心就業計畫現在做的怎麼樣\n\n15\n00:05:28,531 --> 00:05:35,345\n目前我們是加強那個宣導就有關勞動部的義後改善缺工不要講義後改善啦,我說長壽啦但是本會呢也會有一個\n\n16\n00:05:38,939 --> 00:05:40,080\n今天我們談到原住民工作權保障法\n\n17\n00:05:57,492 --> 00:06:15,899\n他的修法重點你們說是擴大禁用範圍你們也預估會增加13796個工作機會但是我知道的是這是公部門嘛那你是要擴大招考我也都沒有意見齁能不能補得滿至少他就是開了很大的工作職缺我現在比較關心的是私部門的\n\n18\n00:06:16,719 --> 00:06:35,917\n那在這邊我們看到原住民工作權保障法有提到公共工程及政府採購的保障但是我要說看得到吃不到啦我光是提一個你應該就知道了雖然原住民工作保障法第11條這麼說可是我們來看一下原民會這幾年工程會的統計資料我看到哇\n\n19\n00:06:36,598 --> 00:06:40,479\n但是他還是可以去做的原因是因為他的履約地點他會放在原鄉例如去郊遊到花蓮這樣了解嗎\n\n20\n00:07:03,587 --> 00:07:22,119\n那我覺得原民會作為一個原住民族事務的主管機關結果呢比沒有原鄉的台北市比一般的縣市做的成績還要低的時候那個就很不應該了那我們來看一下你看這個有一個是什麼圖卡提升原住民文化敏感度的圖卡規劃設計勞務採購案\n\n21\n00:07:24,841 --> 00:07:37,607\n偏偏履歷地點寫新北市而且還寫非原民地區你叫原住民廠商你叫這些個人要怎麼去得標啊你看另外一個最近辦的這個督魯他的預算原額是27777萬\n\n22\n00:07:40,828 --> 00:07:55,732\n超過150萬公告那你怎麼讓原住民廠商參與這種事情多麼可惜這個原住民來做跟一般廠商做絕對是不一樣我在這邊只是要提醒希望我們原民會要想方設法\n\n23\n00:07:56,132 --> 00:08:17,613\n原住民的人也是一個產業。廠商的培育也是一個產業。如果我們不能夠帶頭,我們怎麼有辦法讓我們的就業率、讓我們的年平均所得提高。原民會這個部分也希望給我一個月內提出一個報告。那這個部分最後就是提醒這一次的災後很多災民都失業了。那勞動部有開兩千個了。\n\n24\n00:08:20,336 --> 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