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00:02:30,800\n那既然你都知道這樣的樣態的時候其實你可以比照比如說有些時候我們講說這個管食安的時候就不能廣告不實它就有一個檢核表哪些方向是採線的你至少要有一個框架出來嘛那相對來講這種避免這個就業的間接歧視的這個相對來講都廣告的檢核表我認為這是勞動部可以做那其實難度不高成本也不高稍微做一下整理然後你拿這個表格去做宣導是不是讓這些廣告業者或什麼人家也有法可以遵循嘛對不對這一部分我希望\n\n8\n00:02:31,901 --> 00:02:49,822\n勞動部來做一個研擬跟處理啦好不好這小的事情但我想對於這個反歧視這件事情我想是有正面意義的喔那第二個要談外國這個勞動力的權益保障啦現在當我們去談經濟發展的時候大家一方面我們也常常在這個委員會談到就是碳的焦慮對不對\n\n9\n00:02:50,563 --> 00:03:14,531\n但相對來講我們在勞動部質詢的時候談到人權焦慮啊因為現在大家都希望說用一個好的人權標準去保障勞工的權益那這個有這樣子的一個機制然後去促進所謂的自由貿易所以它過去啊叫道德加分題但現在叫做法律必考題因為你如果沒有完成這些東西其實在對產業相對來講競爭力就會受到一些影響現在啊這個我們去談這個外國勞動力引入的問題嘛\n\n10\n00:03:15,151 --> 00:03:34,729\n比如說美國責任商業聯盟、RBA就有講零付費行為準則以及等等諸如此類的過去都從建議開始變成強力要求換言之我們在引入外籍的移工投入本國的勞動就業市場的時候這部分應該是未來勞動部面對很大的一個挑戰所以我們現在\n\n11\n00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:53,337\n政府明文禁止收仲介費對不對因為避免仲介變成形同人口販運嘛對不對但是現在一樣嘛我剛剛講上有政策下有對策現在不收仲介費叫每月服務費就一樣嘛他有換湯不換藥就有問題那個不一樣那個仲介費跟服務那個服務費沒有勉強的那個就是說你有服務才\n\n12\n00:03:53,837 --> 00:04:12,111\n才有啦對但是實務上的機制來講它常常就變成我換一個方式來做轉嫁我就提醒一下那第二個我今天要談主要的問題啦是說既然我們未來都有這樣的需求我們終要面對這樣子的一個問題那我們是不是應該多你勞動部其實有提供所謂的直接聘僱的的政策方案對不對\n\n13\n00:04:12,892 --> 00:04:32,394\n但是以我們在這個基層的了解其實程序還是非常的繁瑣啦所以以至於實務上來講大概是方便嘛那當然仲介業者存在的道理就是因為解決這些以南雜但是我可以理解但是既然未來我們會面對這樣子的一個問題的時候我是要求勞動部這邊啊你至少在直接聘僱的這樣子一個機制裡面你要有一些政策的誘因嘛\n\n14\n00:04:32,995 --> 00:04:42,582\n你要去鼓勵企業、鼓勵商家或者是鼓勵個人來講你可以多加的使用直接聘僱去降低這個中間的紛擾這個方向部長應該不會反對吧?\n\n15\n00:04:42,582 --> 00:04:53,249\n不會好不好那方法是什麼呢?我們現在有職聘的服務中心對不對?但你只是到有一個窗口去做事那本質上...不止喔那個我們其實不會說只是一個窗口收文件而已\n\n16\n00:04:53,669 --> 00:05:14,167\n但是具體的程序,因為我們有去明查暗訪,實際上程序來講很繁瑣。有沒有什麼其他的精進措施可以減低行政成本?報告委員,我們持續在檢討,然後我們最近這個月內也會在開會,邀請相關的團體、相關的專家學者,大家就這個怎麼樣的精進。\n\n17\n00:05:16,589 --> 00:05:32,960\n這個經濟法案是希望來做啦提高企業在職聘機制的一些誘因嘛比如說給予政策補貼、優惠或什麼的節省他一部分的成本去鼓勵他走職聘的這條管道這我覺得這是可以可以被商量那第二個就是我們也不是全盤否定仲介業者但既然仲介業者存在\n\n18\n00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:39,867\n你總要有一套完整的評鑑、檢查跟集合的機制嘛這個優劣分級要更清楚你們要有具體的分級機制好不好這部分也要同時來做強化就是說鼓勵職聘然後中間要納款要越來越處理嘛我們才能夠因應這個這個未來這個\n\n19\n00:05:51,818 --> 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