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Shark，你知道這些東西嗎？"],["王次長時思：有聽過。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我的小朋友最近迷上蘑菇蘑菇，你知道嗎？"],["王次長時思：也是聽說的，因為我自己沒有看，但是有聽到大家在討論。"],["羅委員廷瑋：最近蠻多人在唱蘑菇這首歌，據我目前的瞭解，這是小啼大作兒童音樂社製作的，看起來是與臺灣相關的製作，這部分我們能不能去……自製率很低，想看臺灣的兒童節目到底要上哪看？頻道有沒有過少？都買國外節目最讓人擔心的是文化壟斷，讓孩子在無形中接收國外的資訊與文化。次長，拿資源做一些適合臺灣小朋友的頻道，本席認為這是非常有益的，是一件好事。問題是，即便做得再好、再棒，若沒有人看也沒有什麼用！這是需要培養的，每一代人都有每一代人的成長環境。像我們前一代可能看東森幼幼、momo，這一代的人可能都看手機、看YouTube，我的孩子都在看Netflix或迪士尼的線上串流平台。兒童的收視習慣已經從電視頻道轉為網路串流，兒少節目該如何面對串流平台來做新媒體挑戰？這部分文化部是不是能幫忙協助，找到更好的一些相關製作動畫的臺灣企業、廠商，甚至培養、協助我剛剛所提蘑菇蘑菇之類的相關製作？畢竟最近的點閱率非常非常高，我也試著陪孩子一起聽，真的有一點洗腦。不管文策院或文化部，我都鼓勵能進一步接洽來協助他們。"],["王次長時思：不管是公視或文策院都非常樂意。剛剛也在報告中提到推出兒少頻道時，合資、合製的確是我們希望進行的方向，尤其是跟民間原來就有製作優質兒少節目能力的團隊來合作，可能是推出兒童節目最快的一個方式。剛剛委員提到林暐哲的製作，文策院其實已經在洽談相關的投資計畫……"],["羅委員廷瑋：董事長有想法是不是？"],["王次長時思：對，所以其實這些方向與委員所交代的，本來就是我們在推動的。"],["蔡董事長嘉駿：蘑菇蘑菇是知名音樂製作人林暐哲的公司做的，我跟他滿熟的，我們有在談這個事情。"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以我提的你可以認同，孩子真的滿喜歡的……"],["蔡董事長嘉駿：他之前做很多，也做動畫。"],["羅委員廷瑋：最近連林宥嘉都透過這些，不管是小行星或這些平台去放送他的新專輯。他說他的新專輯是寫媽媽的故事，媽媽希望下班以後聽聽林宥嘉的歌，進而介紹林宥嘉。我的小朋友才三歲就在唱林宥嘉的歌，而且是最新的。藝人都想到如何才能行銷，並透過媽媽的角度推廣給孩子，未來文化部是不是能夠結合這些知名的音樂創作人？可以嗎？"],["王次長時思：結合臺灣的IP當然是我們本來就希望做到的事情。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我們一起來努力，好不好？"],["王次長時思：會。"],["羅委員廷瑋：也期待董事長未來的進度與作為，謝謝。"],["王次長時思：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝羅廷瑋委員。","我們接下來請鍾佳濱委員，鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱委員不在。","我們接下來請王鴻薇委員，王鴻薇、王鴻薇委員不在。","接下來請林倩綺委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":374,"meet_id":"委員會-11-1-22-9","speakers":["林宜瑾","洪孟楷","柯志恩","萬美玲","葛如鈞","郭昱晴","陳秀寳","吳沛憶","張雅琳","吳春城","葉元之","陳培瑜","何欣純","鄭天財Sra 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00:01:10,387\n目前2.0應該陸陸續續有6、7家。\n\n5\n00:01:35,219 --> 00:01:58,238\n那有沒有測案跟補件中的?有一家其實有一個案子兩家正在研擬要不要測案兩家?那目前還沒通過?應該還沒開會通過?那我想這個國際合作投資方案最主要的一個目的就是吸引外國來的一個\n\n6\n00:02:00,340 --> 00:02:21,032\n資方來跟我們臺商臺灣做合作那合資合製的一個電影增進產業的一個交流共國際接軌我想這個合作投資方案的內容必須要有誘因那這個誘因你覺得2.0有提升嗎當然提升因為我們應該知道因為從疫情過後跟因為全球大型平台載製整個製作費節節上漲的關係越是國際合製案製作費就越上漲\n\n7\n00:02:25,535 --> 00:02:25,555\n好。\n\n8\n00:02:44,353 --> 00:03:06,658\n我們看到這個美金有這個你所提告金額有上限但是我們來看一下是TICP的1.0跟2.0兩者最大的不同在於1.0很明確知道內容有哪些然後書面做審議那2.0變成通通都來申請我們會來審核當然然後有一個投審會會有投影其實之前你有跟我說過這個投審會有一個很重大的一個決策那\n\n9\n00:03:07,638 --> 00:03:22,916\n這個我想問一下不管是我們董事長跟次長好案子不缺錢但要吸引外國的人來跟台灣投資配套就要做好我們覺得2.0的金額雖然都有加大但是整體的預算也沒有變多那這樣子的配套到底哪邊有什麼不一樣\n\n10\n00:03:23,436 --> 00:03:50,183\n報告委員我不清楚為什麼其實我們整體預算是變多的因為使用國發基金目前其實光是國發基金匡列給文化部跟文車店就有高達100億的預算可以使用跟過去我們TICP1.0的時候是每年其實文車店只有大概7000萬左右的預算這個其實比較起來這個大水庫跟小水庫天差地遠這個要跟我們報告你所提到的資料再麻煩你後續再給我提供一下好不好\n\n11\n00:03:51,583 --> 00:04:10,972\n但是現在外界質疑這個政策缺乏溝通跟不夠透明引發國人不只是國內的影視人員都有所疑慮影響對台灣的誠信你有掌握到這個完全掌握這個事情其實我們在第一時間也出面跟業者做溝通而且在一月開始有這樣相關的事情報導之後我們大概在\n\n12\n00:04:12,072 --> 00:04:27,241\n這三個月來我個人大概就參與了十幾場公開跟線下的說明會那務必讓每一個業者都清楚知道說這個改變是為了讓大家其實可以用所以你可不可以方便跟我們提一下就是說因為我們想知道你報宅說你有問過業者有問過哪些業者溝通過哪些業者\n\n13\n00:04:30,584 --> 00:04:44,859\n當然,包括飛望影業,包括奇影,然後包含其實有許多專門做國際球的製作者,一條龍虎豹,這些都在我們溝通的範圍當中。那看起來就是有做過公投,那有備而來。那TICP,我1.022年有13件通過。\n\n14\n00:04:49,284 --> 00:05:12,239\n如果這個資料有誤的話可以再跟我們做調整沒關係齁2023年有15件通過平均每個月都還有1件齁那2.0到目前的話的成績都還是0件啦因為你說還沒有審核嘛跟委員報告齁因為我們實施2.0方案就是因為之前業者有說如果我們2.0馬上上路怕他們原本已經要申請1.0的案件會來不及申請\n\n15\n00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:40,795\n會跟國外的資金斷鏈所以我們1.0其實繼續讓開放到讓他們申請到2月底為止所以他們其實今年的案子1.0是照常會申請因為你1月19就開始受理嘛對不對對那所以你1.0跟2.0是並行沒錯OK是好但因為如果我們不知道這件事情的話我會認為說2.0到目前已經有停擺三個月左右的一個時間了其實沒有沒有那所以你1.0有在做並行這是有一個很好的一個套是\n\n16\n00:05:41,195 --> 00:05:59,551\n好那我想這個銜接的過程啊1.0到2.0的轉換過程看起來有配套但是我們要知道中間一定會有一些瑕疵有問題我們要趕緊加緊去讓這些事情能夠瑕疵趕緊擬平沒問題要不然我想之前有上百位的引介人士聯署抗議這個你知道嗎完全知道\n\n17\n00:06:00,191 --> 00:06:23,059\n你都知道齁?完全知道,而且我覺得非常的過意不去。世界要一起連署這是一件不容易的事情,你們達到了這一個輝煌的一個成績,他們連署抗議。批評文策院在這個TCIP在這個轉換過於倉促,那我想這個部分你說你有做溝通,那後續這些溝通跟配套他們有一些相關的做法,你們有沒有去做採納或者是做研議?\n\n18\n00:06:25,433 --> 00:06:50,771\n就政策上來講,因為當然其實每個業者都會希望說政府對他們的照顧是越來越好。但我必須坦白跟各位報告就是說,文策院設立的目的是以商業化為目的。商業化跟國際化是文策院兩大KPI。那我們使用的政策工具是叫投資,不叫補助。那有一些業者比較遺憾,他們其實有點搞不清楚文策院使用的錢叫投資。各位,跟我們報告,投資叫將本求利。\n\n19\n00:06:52,611 --> 00:07:17,501\n他們希望我們義無反顧的支持這一點容我難答應他們所以在這一次的溝通基本上是你說服他們並沒有要去趕他們我不敢說我說服他們而是我們雙向的溝通一方面要讓他理解其實文策院真的是以商業化投資的角度出發那如果說有一些案子他完全是希望跟歐洲某些國家一樣是完全用政府的補助的話我們其實就比較難去做支持\n\n20\n00:07:18,041 --> 00:07:39,791\n好,那這個2.0現在補件你說還有幾家嘛,那補件的資料是要看多久?看多久?因為現在新的CEICP2.0我們為了要讓這個無論是立法院的監督部、各位的監督我們要讓它更公開透明,所以我們都必須要遵照像國發基金的規定我們要開一個正式的有委員組成的投資成員委員會\n\n21\n00:07:40,811 --> 00:07:57,405\n那這樣的流程會依照金額不同也會有不同的流程一般來講如果需要我們投資在2000萬以下的金額大概需要大概3個月左右的時間那如果是在2000萬以上的金額會看金額個案大小不同可能會到3到5個月左右\n\n22\n00:07:57,945 --> 00:07:58,706\n台灣現在兒童節目自治的比例為多少?\n\n23\n00:08:17,799 --> 00:08:41,215\n現在台灣兒童自製的節目是低於百分之十。次長不好意思您聲音可以大聲一點嗎?聽不太到。如果是純台灣自製的節目是低於百分之十在整個用播出時數作為計算之下。2023年3月我們在這個也就是一年前台灣自製比例大概為8%左右全球排名倒數台灣的小朋友都在看國外的兒童節目我們不只是從孩童就在\n\n24\n00:09:00,731 --> 00:09:17,876\n也是聽說,因為我自己沒有看啦。對,那羅莫夫在這最近蠻多人在唱這首歌啦。我想我目前去了解叫做小提大作兒童音樂社,看起來是台灣的一個相關的製作。\n\n25\n00:09:19,096 --> 00:09:46,496\n那我想這個部分我們能不能去我覺得自治率很低要看台灣的兒童節目要上哪看頻道有沒有過少那都買國外的一個節目最讓人擔心其實是文化壟斷無形中也是接收孩子在接收國外的資訊、文化次長拿資源做一些適合小朋友台灣小朋友的頻道本席認為是非常有益的是一件好事但是你再做再好再棒沒有人看也沒有什麼用大家需要培養的\n\n26\n00:09:47,316 --> 00:10:03,789\n那每一代人都有每一代的成長環境,像我們前一代可能在看東森悠悠啊、MOMO啊這一代的人可能都看手機、看YouTube那我的孩子都在看那個neckface或者是迪士尼的一個線上串流平台\n\n27\n00:10:04,409 --> 00:10:16,159\n那我想兒童的收視習慣從電視頻道轉為網路串流、兒少節目如何面對串流平台做新媒體挑戰我想這個部分是不是文化部能夠幫忙協助我們找到更好的一些相關製作動畫的台灣企業廠商\n\n28\n00:10:21,423 --> 00:10:41,401\n那甚至是培養甚至協助像我剛剛所提到的蘑菇蘑菇這些相關的製作我覺得他最近的點閱率是非常非常高而且我也試著陪伴著孩子一起來聽是真的有點點洗腦那當然我是鼓勵不管是文策院或者是文化部是不是能夠進一步的做接洽甚至幫他們協助他們\n\n29\n00:10:43,103 --> 00:10:43,984\n董事長有想法是不是?\n\n30\n00:11:15,585 --> 00:11:27,970\n蘑菇蘑菇是那個知名音樂製作人林偉哲公司做的啦對所以我們其實我跟他蠻熟的我們在談這個事情好那我所提到這個你可以認同啦齁因為我覺得孩子是真的也蠻喜歡蠻多他是創作音樂他也做動畫你知道最近連林宥嘉\n\n31\n00:11:29,651 --> 00:11:43,453\n他都透過這些不管是小行星啊這些平台去放送他的新的專輯但是他配合了他的新專輯是寫說他的媽媽的故事媽媽希望下下班以後聽聽林宥嘉的歌啊然後進而介紹林宥嘉讓\n\n32\n00:11:45,031 --> 00:11:45,051\n謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4127\t8509\t好 謝謝主席 我們請文化部王正智好 王次長委員好好 謝謝正智我想請問一下我們這TICP2.0有什麼具體的成效不好意思 我剛剛沒有聽取委員的問題 不好意思\n29022\t32505\tTICP 國際合作投資方案\n41747\t68906\t是委員要問TICP 2.0嗎?對對對因為2.0是今年開始我們加大的一個方案它跟1.0不同的是我們使用國發基金進場然後取消原本的投資比例跟投資上限那2.0開始以來其實已經開始陸陸續續有一些大型的國際合資案在進行送案當中那因為這些送案其實還沒有開過國發必須遵守的正式投審會所以可能很多細節我現在不變得太\n70107\t70387\t目前2.0應該陸陸續續有6、7家。\n95219\t118238\t那有沒有測案跟補件中的?有一家其實 有一個案子兩家正在研擬要不要測案兩家?那目前還沒通過?應該還沒開會通過?那我想這個國際合作投資方案最主要的一個目的就是吸引外國來的一個\n120340\t141032\t資方來跟我們臺商臺灣做合作那合資合製的一個電影增進產業的一個交流共國際接軌我想這個合作投資方案的內容必須要有誘因那這個誘因你覺得2.0有提升嗎當然提升因為我們應該知道因為從疫情過後跟因為全球大型平台載製整個製作費節節上漲的關係越是國際合製案製作費就越上漲\n145535\t145555\t好。\n164353\t186658\t我們看到這個美金有這個你所提告金額有上限但是我們來看一下是TICP的1.0跟2.0兩者最大的不同在於1.0很明確知道內容有哪些然後書面做審議那2.0變成通通都來申請我們會來審核當然然後有一個投審會會有投影其實之前你有跟我說過這個投審會有一個很重大的一個決策那\n187638\t202916\t這個我想問一下不管是我們董事長跟次長好案子不缺錢但要吸引外國的人來跟台灣投資配套就要做好我們覺得2.0的金額雖然都有加大但是整體的預算也沒有變多那這樣子的配套到底哪邊有什麼不一樣\n203436\t230183\t報告委員我不清楚為什麼其實我們整體預算是變多的因為使用國發基金目前其實光是國發基金匡列給文化部跟文車店就有高達100億的預算可以使用跟過去我們TICP 1.0的時候是每年其實文車店只有大概7000萬左右的預算這個其實比較起來這個大水庫跟小水庫天差地遠這個要跟我們報告你所提到的資料再麻煩你後續再給我提供一下好不好\n231583\t250972\t但是現在外界質疑這個政策缺乏溝通跟不夠透明引發國人不只是國內的影視人員都有所疑慮影響對台灣的誠信你有掌握到這個完全掌握這個事情其實我們在第一時間也出面跟業者做溝通而且在一月開始有這樣相關的事情報導之後我們大概在\n252072\t267241\t這三個月來我個人大概就參與了十幾場公開跟線下的說明會那務必讓每一個業者都清楚知道說這個改變是為了讓大家其實可以用所以你可不可以方便跟我們提一下就是說因為我們想知道你報宅說你有問過業者有問過哪些業者溝通過哪些業者\n270584\t284859\t當然,包括飛望影業,包括奇影,然後包含其實有許多專門做國際球的製作者,一條龍虎豹,這些都在我們溝通的範圍當中。那看起來就是有做過公投,那有備而來。那TICP,我1.022年有13件通過。\n289284\t312239\t如果這個資料有誤的話可以再跟我們做調整沒關係齁2023年有15件通過平均每個月都還有1件齁那2.0到目前的話的成績都還是0件啦因為你說還沒有審核嘛跟委員報告齁因為我們實施2.0方案就是因為之前業者有說如果我們2.0馬上上路怕他們原本已經要申請1.0的案件會來不及申請\n312959\t340795\t會跟國外的資金斷鏈所以我們1.0其實繼續讓開放到讓他們申請到2月底為止所以他們其實今年的案子1.0是照常會申請因為你1月19就開始受理嘛對不對對那所以你1.0跟2.0是並行沒錯OK是好但因為如果我們不知道這件事情的話我會認為說2.0到目前已經有停擺三個月左右的一個時間了其實沒有沒有那所以你1.0有在做並行這是有一個很好的一個套是\n341195\t359551\t好那我想這個銜接的過程啊1.0到2.0的轉換過程看起來有配套但是我們要知道中間一定會有一些瑕疵有問題我們要趕緊加緊去讓這些事情能夠瑕疵趕緊擬平沒問題要不然我想之前有上百位的引介人士聯署抗議這個你知道嗎完全知道\n360191\t383059\t你都知道齁?完全知道,而且我覺得非常的過意不去。世界要一起連署這是一件不容易的事情,你們達到了這一個輝煌的一個成績,他們連署抗議。批評文策院在這個TCIP在這個轉換過於倉促,那我想這個部分你說你有做溝通,那後續這些溝通跟配套他們有一些相關的做法,你們有沒有去做採納或者是做研議?\n385433\t410771\t就政策上來講,因為當然其實每個業者都會希望說政府對他們的照顧是越來越好。但我必須坦白跟各位報告就是說,文策院設立的目的是以商業化為目的。商業化跟國際化是文策院兩大KPI。那我們使用的政策工具是叫投資,不叫補助。那有一些業者比較遺憾,他們其實有點搞不清楚文策院使用的錢叫投資。各位,跟我們報告,投資叫將本求利。\n412611\t437501\t他們希望我們義無反顧的支持這一點容我難答應他們所以在這一次的溝通基本上是你說服他們並沒有要去趕他們我不敢說我說服他們而是我們雙向的溝通一方面要讓他理解其實文策院真的是以商業化投資的角度出發那如果說有一些案子他完全是希望跟歐洲某些國家一樣是完全用政府的補助的話我們其實就比較難去做支持\n438041\t459791\t好,那這個2.0現在補件你說還有幾家嘛,那補件的資料是要看多久?看多久?因為現在新的CEICP 2.0我們為了要讓這個無論是立法院的監督部、各位的監督我們要讓它更公開透明,所以我們都必須要遵照像國發基金的規定我們要開一個正式的有委員組成的投資成員委員會\n460811\t477405\t那這樣的流程會依照金額不同也會有不同的流程一般來講如果需要我們投資在2000萬以下的金額大概需要大概3個月左右的時間那如果是在2000萬以上的金額會看金額個案大小不同可能會到3到5個月左右\n477945\t478706\t台灣現在兒童節目自治的比例為多少?\n497799\t521215\t現在台灣兒童自製的節目是低於百分之十。次長不好意思您聲音可以大聲一點嗎?聽不太到。如果是純台灣自製的節目是低於百分之十在整個用播出時數作為計算之下。2023年3月我們在這個也就是一年前台灣自製比例大概為8%左右全球排名倒數台灣的小朋友都在看國外的兒童節目我們不只是從孩童就在\n521715\t540589\t​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n540731\t557876\t也是聽說,因為我自己沒有看啦。對,那羅莫夫在這最近蠻多人在唱這首歌啦。我想我目前去了解叫做小提大作兒童音樂社,看起來是台灣的一個相關的製作。\n559096\t586496\t那我想這個部分我們能不能去我覺得自治率很低要看台灣的兒童節目要上哪看頻道有沒有過少那都買國外的一個節目最讓人擔心其實是文化壟斷無形中也是接收孩子在接收國外的資訊、文化次長拿資源做一些適合小朋友台灣小朋友的頻道本席認為是非常有益的是一件好事但是你再做再好再棒沒有人看也沒有什麼用大家需要培養的\n587316\t603789\t那每一代人都有每一代的成長環境,像我們前一代可能在看東森悠悠啊、MOMO啊這一代的人可能都看手機、看YouTube那我的孩子都在看那個neckface或者是迪士尼的一個線上串流平台\n604409\t616159\t那我想兒童的收視習慣從電視頻道轉為網路串流、兒少節目如何面對串流平台做新媒體挑戰我想這個部分是不是文化部能夠幫忙協助我們找到更好的一些相關製作動畫的台灣企業廠商\n621423\t641401\t那甚至是培養甚至協助像我剛剛所提到的蘑菇蘑菇這些相關的製作我覺得他最近的點閱率是非常非常高而且我也試著陪伴著孩子一起來聽是真的有點點洗腦那當然我是鼓勵不管是文策院或者是文化部是不是能夠進一步的做接洽甚至幫他們協助他們\n643103\t643984\t董事長有想法是不是?\n675585\t687970\t蘑菇蘑菇是那個知名音樂製作人林偉哲公司做的啦對所以我們其實我跟他蠻熟的我們在談這個事情好那我所提到這個你可以認同啦齁因為我覺得孩子是真的也蠻喜歡蠻多他是創作音樂他也做動畫你知道最近連林宥嘉\n689651\t703453\t他都透過這些不管是小行星啊這些平台去放送他的新的專輯但是他配合了他的新專輯是寫說他的媽媽的故事媽媽希望下下班以後聽聽林宥嘉的歌啊然後進而介紹林宥嘉讓\n705031\t705051\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請文化部王正智好 王次長委員好好 謝謝正智我想請問一下我們這TICP2.0有什麼具體的成效不好意思 我剛剛沒有聽取委員的問題 不好意思\nTICP 國際合作投資方案\n是委員要問TICP 2.0嗎?對對對因為2.0是今年開始我們加大的一個方案它跟1.0不同的是我們使用國發基金進場然後取消原本的投資比例跟投資上限那2.0開始以來其實已經開始陸陸續續有一些大型的國際合資案在進行送案當中那因為這些送案其實還沒有開過國發必須遵守的正式投審會所以可能很多細節我現在不變得太\n目前2.0應該陸陸續續有6、7家。\n那有沒有測案跟補件中的?有一家其實 有一個案子兩家正在研擬要不要測案兩家?那目前還沒通過?應該還沒開會通過?那我想這個國際合作投資方案最主要的一個目的就是吸引外國來的一個\n資方來跟我們臺商臺灣做合作那合資合製的一個電影增進產業的一個交流共國際接軌我想這個合作投資方案的內容必須要有誘因那這個誘因你覺得2.0有提升嗎當然提升因為我們應該知道因為從疫情過後跟因為全球大型平台載製整個製作費節節上漲的關係越是國際合製案製作費就越上漲\n好。\n我們看到這個美金有這個你所提告金額有上限但是我們來看一下是TICP的1.0跟2.0兩者最大的不同在於1.0很明確知道內容有哪些然後書面做審議那2.0變成通通都來申請我們會來審核當然然後有一個投審會會有投影其實之前你有跟我說過這個投審會有一個很重大的一個決策那\n這個我想問一下不管是我們董事長跟次長好案子不缺錢但要吸引外國的人來跟台灣投資配套就要做好我們覺得2.0的金額雖然都有加大但是整體的預算也沒有變多那這樣子的配套到底哪邊有什麼不一樣\n報告委員我不清楚為什麼其實我們整體預算是變多的因為使用國發基金目前其實光是國發基金匡列給文化部跟文車店就有高達100億的預算可以使用跟過去我們TICP 1.0的時候是每年其實文車店只有大概7000萬左右的預算這個其實比較起來這個大水庫跟小水庫天差地遠這個要跟我們報告你所提到的資料再麻煩你後續再給我提供一下好不好\n但是現在外界質疑這個政策缺乏溝通跟不夠透明引發國人不只是國內的影視人員都有所疑慮影響對台灣的誠信你有掌握到這個完全掌握這個事情其實我們在第一時間也出面跟業者做溝通而且在一月開始有這樣相關的事情報導之後我們大概在\n這三個月來我個人大概就參與了十幾場公開跟線下的說明會那務必讓每一個業者都清楚知道說這個改變是為了讓大家其實可以用所以你可不可以方便跟我們提一下就是說因為我們想知道你報宅說你有問過業者有問過哪些業者溝通過哪些業者\n當然,包括飛望影業,包括奇影,然後包含其實有許多專門做國際球的製作者,一條龍虎豹,這些都在我們溝通的範圍當中。那看起來就是有做過公投,那有備而來。那TICP,我1.022年有13件通過。\n如果這個資料有誤的話可以再跟我們做調整沒關係齁2023年有15件通過平均每個月都還有1件齁那2.0到目前的話的成績都還是0件啦因為你說還沒有審核嘛跟委員報告齁因為我們實施2.0方案就是因為之前業者有說如果我們2.0馬上上路怕他們原本已經要申請1.0的案件會來不及申請\n會跟國外的資金斷鏈所以我們1.0其實繼續讓開放到讓他們申請到2月底為止所以他們其實今年的案子1.0是照常會申請因為你1月19就開始受理嘛對不對對那所以你1.0跟2.0是並行沒錯OK是好但因為如果我們不知道這件事情的話我會認為說2.0到目前已經有停擺三個月左右的一個時間了其實沒有沒有那所以你1.0有在做並行這是有一個很好的一個套是\n好那我想這個銜接的過程啊1.0到2.0的轉換過程看起來有配套但是我們要知道中間一定會有一些瑕疵有問題我們要趕緊加緊去讓這些事情能夠瑕疵趕緊擬平沒問題要不然我想之前有上百位的引介人士聯署抗議這個你知道嗎完全知道\n你都知道齁?完全知道,而且我覺得非常的過意不去。世界要一起連署這是一件不容易的事情,你們達到了這一個輝煌的一個成績,他們連署抗議。批評文策院在這個TCIP在這個轉換過於倉促,那我想這個部分你說你有做溝通,那後續這些溝通跟配套他們有一些相關的做法,你們有沒有去做採納或者是做研議?\n就政策上來講,因為當然其實每個業者都會希望說政府對他們的照顧是越來越好。但我必須坦白跟各位報告就是說,文策院設立的目的是以商業化為目的。商業化跟國際化是文策院兩大KPI。那我們使用的政策工具是叫投資,不叫補助。那有一些業者比較遺憾,他們其實有點搞不清楚文策院使用的錢叫投資。各位,跟我們報告,投資叫將本求利。\n他們希望我們義無反顧的支持這一點容我難答應他們所以在這一次的溝通基本上是你說服他們並沒有要去趕他們我不敢說我說服他們而是我們雙向的溝通一方面要讓他理解其實文策院真的是以商業化投資的角度出發那如果說有一些案子他完全是希望跟歐洲某些國家一樣是完全用政府的補助的話我們其實就比較難去做支持\n好,那這個2.0現在補件你說還有幾家嘛,那補件的資料是要看多久?看多久?因為現在新的CEICP 2.0我們為了要讓這個無論是立法院的監督部、各位的監督我們要讓它更公開透明,所以我們都必須要遵照像國發基金的規定我們要開一個正式的有委員組成的投資成員委員會\n那這樣的流程會依照金額不同也會有不同的流程一般來講如果需要我們投資在2000萬以下的金額大概需要大概3個月左右的時間那如果是在2000萬以上的金額會看金額個案大小不同可能會到3到5個月左右\n台灣現在兒童節目自治的比例為多少?\n現在台灣兒童自製的節目是低於百分之十。次長不好意思您聲音可以大聲一點嗎?聽不太到。如果是純台灣自製的節目是低於百分之十在整個用播出時數作為計算之下。2023年3月我們在這個也就是一年前台灣自製比例大概為8%左右全球排名倒數台灣的小朋友都在看國外的兒童節目我們不只是從孩童就在\n​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​\n也是聽說,因為我自己沒有看啦。對,那羅莫夫在這最近蠻多人在唱這首歌啦。我想我目前去了解叫做小提大作兒童音樂社,看起來是台灣的一個相關的製作。\n那我想這個部分我們能不能去我覺得自治率很低要看台灣的兒童節目要上哪看頻道有沒有過少那都買國外的一個節目最讓人擔心其實是文化壟斷無形中也是接收孩子在接收國外的資訊、文化次長拿資源做一些適合小朋友台灣小朋友的頻道本席認為是非常有益的是一件好事但是你再做再好再棒沒有人看也沒有什麼用大家需要培養的\n那每一代人都有每一代的成長環境,像我們前一代可能在看東森悠悠啊、MOMO啊這一代的人可能都看手機、看YouTube那我的孩子都在看那個neckface或者是迪士尼的一個線上串流平台\n那我想兒童的收視習慣從電視頻道轉為網路串流、兒少節目如何面對串流平台做新媒體挑戰我想這個部分是不是文化部能夠幫忙協助我們找到更好的一些相關製作動畫的台灣企業廠商\n那甚至是培養甚至協助像我剛剛所提到的蘑菇蘑菇這些相關的製作我覺得他最近的點閱率是非常非常高而且我也試著陪伴著孩子一起來聽是真的有點點洗腦那當然我是鼓勵不管是文策院或者是文化部是不是能夠進一步的做接洽甚至幫他們協助他們\n董事長有想法是不是?\n蘑菇蘑菇是那個知名音樂製作人林偉哲公司做的啦對所以我們其實我跟他蠻熟的我們在談這個事情好那我所提到這個你可以認同啦齁因為我覺得孩子是真的也蠻喜歡蠻多他是創作音樂他也做動畫你知道最近連林宥嘉\n他都透過這些不管是小行星啊這些平台去放送他的新的專輯但是他配合了他的新專輯是寫說他的媽媽的故事媽媽希望下下班以後聽聽林宥嘉的歌啊然後進而介紹林宥嘉讓\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.127 --> 00:08.509\n好謝謝主席我們請文化部王正智好王次長委員好好謝謝正智我想請問一下我們這TICP2.0有什麼具體的成效不好意思我剛剛沒有聽取委員的問題不好意思\n\n00:29.022 --> 00:32.505\nTICP國際合作投資方案\n\n00:41.747 --> 01:08.906\n是委員要問TICP2.0嗎?對對對因為2.0是今年開始我們加大的一個方案它跟1.0不同的是我們使用國發基金進場然後取消原本的投資比例跟投資上限那2.0開始以來其實已經開始陸陸續續有一些大型的國際合資案在進行送案當中那因為這些送案其實還沒有開過國發必須遵守的正式投審會所以可能很多細節我現在不變得太\n\n01:10.107 --> 01:10.387\n目前2.0應該陸陸續續有6、7家。\n\n01:35.219 --> 01:58.238\n那有沒有測案跟補件中的?有一家其實有一個案子兩家正在研擬要不要測案兩家?那目前還沒通過?應該還沒開會通過?那我想這個國際合作投資方案最主要的一個目的就是吸引外國來的一個\n\n02:00.340 --> 02:21.032\n資方來跟我們臺商臺灣做合作那合資合製的一個電影增進產業的一個交流共國際接軌我想這個合作投資方案的內容必須要有誘因那這個誘因你覺得2.0有提升嗎當然提升因為我們應該知道因為從疫情過後跟因為全球大型平台載製整個製作費節節上漲的關係越是國際合製案製作費就越上漲\n\n02:25.535 --> 02:25.555\n好。\n\n02:44.353 --> 03:06.658\n我們看到這個美金有這個你所提告金額有上限但是我們來看一下是TICP的1.0跟2.0兩者最大的不同在於1.0很明確知道內容有哪些然後書面做審議那2.0變成通通都來申請我們會來審核當然然後有一個投審會會有投影其實之前你有跟我說過這個投審會有一個很重大的一個決策那\n\n03:07.638 --> 03:22.916\n這個我想問一下不管是我們董事長跟次長好案子不缺錢但要吸引外國的人來跟台灣投資配套就要做好我們覺得2.0的金額雖然都有加大但是整體的預算也沒有變多那這樣子的配套到底哪邊有什麼不一樣\n\n03:23.436 --> 03:50.183\n報告委員我不清楚為什麼其實我們整體預算是變多的因為使用國發基金目前其實光是國發基金匡列給文化部跟文車店就有高達100億的預算可以使用跟過去我們TICP1.0的時候是每年其實文車店只有大概7000萬左右的預算這個其實比較起來這個大水庫跟小水庫天差地遠這個要跟我們報告你所提到的資料再麻煩你後續再給我提供一下好不好\n\n03:51.583 --> 04:10.972\n但是現在外界質疑這個政策缺乏溝通跟不夠透明引發國人不只是國內的影視人員都有所疑慮影響對台灣的誠信你有掌握到這個完全掌握這個事情其實我們在第一時間也出面跟業者做溝通而且在一月開始有這樣相關的事情報導之後我們大概在\n\n04:12.072 --> 04:27.241\n這三個月來我個人大概就參與了十幾場公開跟線下的說明會那務必讓每一個業者都清楚知道說這個改變是為了讓大家其實可以用所以你可不可以方便跟我們提一下就是說因為我們想知道你報宅說你有問過業者有問過哪些業者溝通過哪些業者\n\n04:30.584 --> 04:44.859\n當然,包括飛望影業,包括奇影,然後包含其實有許多專門做國際球的製作者,一條龍虎豹,這些都在我們溝通的範圍當中。那看起來就是有做過公投,那有備而來。那TICP,我1.022年有13件通過。\n\n04:49.284 --> 05:12.239\n如果這個資料有誤的話可以再跟我們做調整沒關係齁2023年有15件通過平均每個月都還有1件齁那2.0到目前的話的成績都還是0件啦因為你說還沒有審核嘛跟委員報告齁因為我們實施2.0方案就是因為之前業者有說如果我們2.0馬上上路怕他們原本已經要申請1.0的案件會來不及申請\n\n05:12.959 --> 05:40.795\n會跟國外的資金斷鏈所以我們1.0其實繼續讓開放到讓他們申請到2月底為止所以他們其實今年的案子1.0是照常會申請因為你1月19就開始受理嘛對不對對那所以你1.0跟2.0是並行沒錯OK是好但因為如果我們不知道這件事情的話我會認為說2.0到目前已經有停擺三個月左右的一個時間了其實沒有沒有那所以你1.0有在做並行這是有一個很好的一個套是\n\n05:41.195 --> 05:59.551\n好那我想這個銜接的過程啊1.0到2.0的轉換過程看起來有配套但是我們要知道中間一定會有一些瑕疵有問題我們要趕緊加緊去讓這些事情能夠瑕疵趕緊擬平沒問題要不然我想之前有上百位的引介人士聯署抗議這個你知道嗎完全知道\n\n06:00.191 --> 06:23.059\n你都知道齁?完全知道,而且我覺得非常的過意不去。世界要一起連署這是一件不容易的事情,你們達到了這一個輝煌的一個成績,他們連署抗議。批評文策院在這個TCIP在這個轉換過於倉促,那我想這個部分你說你有做溝通,那後續這些溝通跟配套他們有一些相關的做法,你們有沒有去做採納或者是做研議?\n\n06:25.433 --> 06:50.771\n就政策上來講,因為當然其實每個業者都會希望說政府對他們的照顧是越來越好。但我必須坦白跟各位報告就是說,文策院設立的目的是以商業化為目的。商業化跟國際化是文策院兩大KPI。那我們使用的政策工具是叫投資,不叫補助。那有一些業者比較遺憾,他們其實有點搞不清楚文策院使用的錢叫投資。各位,跟我們報告,投資叫將本求利。\n\n06:52.611 --> 07:17.501\n他們希望我們義無反顧的支持這一點容我難答應他們所以在這一次的溝通基本上是你說服他們並沒有要去趕他們我不敢說我說服他們而是我們雙向的溝通一方面要讓他理解其實文策院真的是以商業化投資的角度出發那如果說有一些案子他完全是希望跟歐洲某些國家一樣是完全用政府的補助的話我們其實就比較難去做支持\n\n07:18.041 --> 07:39.791\n好,那這個2.0現在補件你說還有幾家嘛,那補件的資料是要看多久?看多久?因為現在新的CEICP2.0我們為了要讓這個無論是立法院的監督部、各位的監督我們要讓它更公開透明,所以我們都必須要遵照像國發基金的規定我們要開一個正式的有委員組成的投資成員委員會\n\n07:40.811 --> 07:57.405\n那這樣的流程會依照金額不同也會有不同的流程一般來講如果需要我們投資在2000萬以下的金額大概需要大概3個月左右的時間那如果是在2000萬以上的金額會看金額個案大小不同可能會到3到5個月左右\n\n07:57.945 --> 07:58.706\n台灣現在兒童節目自治的比例為多少?\n\n08:17.799 --> 08:41.215\n現在台灣兒童自製的節目是低於百分之十。次長不好意思您聲音可以大聲一點嗎?聽不太到。如果是純台灣自製的節目是低於百分之十在整個用播出時數作為計算之下。2023年3月我們在這個也就是一年前台灣自製比例大概為8%左右全球排名倒數台灣的小朋友都在看國外的兒童節目我們不只是從孩童就在\n\n09:00.731 --> 09:17.876\n也是聽說,因為我自己沒有看啦。對,那羅莫夫在這最近蠻多人在唱這首歌啦。我想我目前去了解叫做小提大作兒童音樂社,看起來是台灣的一個相關的製作。\n\n09:19.096 --> 09:46.496\n那我想這個部分我們能不能去我覺得自治率很低要看台灣的兒童節目要上哪看頻道有沒有過少那都買國外的一個節目最讓人擔心其實是文化壟斷無形中也是接收孩子在接收國外的資訊、文化次長拿資源做一些適合小朋友台灣小朋友的頻道本席認為是非常有益的是一件好事但是你再做再好再棒沒有人看也沒有什麼用大家需要培養的\n\n09:47.316 --> 10:03.789\n那每一代人都有每一代的成長環境,像我們前一代可能在看東森悠悠啊、MOMO啊這一代的人可能都看手機、看YouTube那我的孩子都在看那個neckface或者是迪士尼的一個線上串流平台\n\n10:04.409 --> 10:16.159\n那我想兒童的收視習慣從電視頻道轉為網路串流、兒少節目如何面對串流平台做新媒體挑戰我想這個部分是不是文化部能夠幫忙協助我們找到更好的一些相關製作動畫的台灣企業廠商\n\n10:21.423 --> 10:41.401\n那甚至是培養甚至協助像我剛剛所提到的蘑菇蘑菇這些相關的製作我覺得他最近的點閱率是非常非常高而且我也試著陪伴著孩子一起來聽是真的有點點洗腦那當然我是鼓勵不管是文策院或者是文化部是不是能夠進一步的做接洽甚至幫他們協助他們\n\n10:43.103 --> 10:43.984\n董事長有想法是不是?\n\n11:15.585 --> 11:27.970\n蘑菇蘑菇是那個知名音樂製作人林偉哲公司做的啦對所以我們其實我跟他蠻熟的我們在談這個事情好那我所提到這個你可以認同啦齁因為我覺得孩子是真的也蠻喜歡蠻多他是創作音樂他也做動畫你知道最近連林宥嘉\n\n11:29.651 --> 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2.0我們為了要讓這個無論是立法院的監督部、各位的監督我們要讓它更公開透明,所以我們都必須要遵照像國發基金的規定我們要開一個正式的有委員組成的投資成員委員會"},{"start":460.811,"end":477.405,"text":"那這樣的流程會依照金額不同也會有不同的流程一般來講如果需要我們投資在2000萬以下的金額大概需要大概3個月左右的時間那如果是在2000萬以上的金額會看金額個案大小不同可能會到3到5個月左右"},{"start":477.945,"end":478.706,"text":"台灣現在兒童節目自治的比例為多少?"},{"start":497.799,"end":521.215,"text":"現在台灣兒童自製的節目是低於百分之十。次長不好意思您聲音可以大聲一點嗎?聽不太到。如果是純台灣自製的節目是低於百分之十在整個用播出時數作為計算之下。2023年3月我們在這個也就是一年前台灣自製比例大概為8%左右全球排名倒數台灣的小朋友都在看國外的兒童節目我們不只是從孩童就在"},{"start":521.715,"end":540.589,"text":"​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​"},{"start":540.731,"end":557.876,"text":"也是聽說,因為我自己沒有看啦。對,那羅莫夫在這最近蠻多人在唱這首歌啦。我想我目前去了解叫做小提大作兒童音樂社,看起來是台灣的一個相關的製作。"},{"start":559.096,"end":586.496,"text":"那我想這個部分我們能不能去我覺得自治率很低要看台灣的兒童節目要上哪看頻道有沒有過少那都買國外的一個節目最讓人擔心其實是文化壟斷無形中也是接收孩子在接收國外的資訊、文化次長拿資源做一些適合小朋友台灣小朋友的頻道本席認為是非常有益的是一件好事但是你再做再好再棒沒有人看也沒有什麼用大家需要培養的"},{"start":587.316,"end":603.789,"text":"那每一代人都有每一代的成長環境,像我們前一代可能在看東森悠悠啊、MOMO啊這一代的人可能都看手機、看YouTube那我的孩子都在看那個neckface或者是迪士尼的一個線上串流平台"},{"start":604.409,"end":616.159,"text":"那我想兒童的收視習慣從電視頻道轉為網路串流、兒少節目如何面對串流平台做新媒體挑戰我想這個部分是不是文化部能夠幫忙協助我們找到更好的一些相關製作動畫的台灣企業廠商"},{"start":621.423,"end":641.401,"text":"那甚至是培養甚至協助像我剛剛所提到的蘑菇蘑菇這些相關的製作我覺得他最近的點閱率是非常非常高而且我也試著陪伴著孩子一起來聽是真的有點點洗腦那當然我是鼓勵不管是文策院或者是文化部是不是能夠進一步的做接洽甚至幫他們協助他們"},{"start":643.103,"end":643.984,"text":"董事長有想法是不是?"},{"start":675.585,"end":687.97,"text":"蘑菇蘑菇是那個知名音樂製作人林偉哲公司做的啦對所以我們其實我跟他蠻熟的我們在談這個事情好那我所提到這個你可以認同啦齁因為我覺得孩子是真的也蠻喜歡蠻多他是創作音樂他也做動畫你知道最近連林宥嘉"},{"start":689.651,"end":703.453,"text":"他都透過這些不管是小行星啊這些平台去放送他的新的專輯但是他配合了他的新專輯是寫說他的媽媽的故事媽媽希望下下班以後聽聽林宥嘉的歌啊然後進而介紹林宥嘉讓"},{"start":705.031,"end":705.051,"text":"謝謝委員"}]}}}}