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00:02:58,930\n是是是,您主要談到家長放心,那孩子能夠開心那當然這個學齡圈跟學齡的這個兒童還有跟國外的一個連結當然這個部分就跟今天的這個報告內容也差不多所以本席就發現這個記者會\n\n9\n00:03:00,532 --> 00:03:16,200\n大概就是這次報告內容的一個重點那這邊本席是有一個疑問因為好像在這一次唯一不太一樣的就是上一回你們的這個報告應該是針對第10屆的最後一個會期那這一次是這個第11屆第一個會期那不同的就是這個對象所以我這邊有一個疑問想要請教的是你們已經在這個新國會新總統新內閣上任前就已經編完\n\n10\n00:03:29,187 --> 00:03:38,077\n而且已經開始啟動執行那如果本席在這邊有一些比較新的想法然後期待做一些修正跟規劃那這個地方還能夠有這個大規模的更動跟調整嗎?\n\n11\n00:03:43,103 --> 00:04:00,956\n跟委員說明我想一個政府編列短中長程的計畫是一個現在政府的計畫形態那所以黑潮計畫的確是一個四年計畫那也有在確定四年預算的支持下有一些中長程的計畫才可以穩定發展但是如果委員有不同的意見或者是有\n\n12\n00:04:01,496 --> 00:04:01,656\n主席\n\n13\n00:04:25,388 --> 00:04:41,725\n好謝謝次長那我也可能幫未來要投入跟大家一起工作的部長這邊先說一下話啦所以應該每個人都會有一些想法那我的部分呢能夠在這次跟大家做一個討論那我相信未來的你未來部長也應該會有一些想法\n\n14\n00:04:42,506 --> 00:04:59,359\n﹗所以在這邊本席想要跟部裡跟公共電視這邊建議因為最近反霸凌這樣的議題很引發整個社會的關注所以在去年那個兒服聯盟對於全台兒少就進行調查那就發現台灣兒少現在有這種\n\n15\n00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:26,913\n為歧視的現象跟校園霸凌的調查報告產生的結果是有15.1%的兒少被霸凌霸凌的狀況有網路、肢體、言語、關係等另外還有一種概念叫做為歧視為歧視大部分在我們沒有意識到的言語當中有高達34.2%的會遭遇到這樣一個問題\n\n16\n00:05:30,556 --> 00:05:52,874\n這個調查報告其實顯示很重要的一件事情所以本席在這邊建議這個調查報告其實裡面還有38.4%的兒少就覺得自己有不一樣的特質然後會引發別人的關注然後身心疾病、性別氣質還有性傾向會被為歧視其實是最嚴重的那幾個概念上外貌、家庭狀況及種族這個是被\n\n17\n00:05:56,977 --> 00:06:16,709\n發現最高的幾個比例所以本席在這邊建議就是這個反霸凌然後為歧視這個概念應該要放在這個兒少平台裡面還蠻重的一個比例這是本席對於整個社會文化的發展的一個期待當然早上大家有談到很多細節那這個細項可能未來我們再跟部裡面還有公共電視這邊來做一個比較細緻上的處理\n\n18\n00:06:21,932 --> 00:06:37,592\n不過因為委員剛剛提到這個其實本來就是公視現在在進行的因為它其實是一個文化價值的核心那平等對待以及多元的文化的互相尊重原本就是整個兒少節目在價值上的一個核心所以其實公視在現在很重要的意思\n\n19\n00:06:38,192 --> 00:06:39,452\n我相信在座每一個人都有可能經歷過這一段\n\n20\n00:07:07,921 --> 00:07:10,182\n我們知道這個兒少平台在8月就要上路可以請教一下應該是那個董事長8月幾號上路?8月1號嗎?\n\n21\n00:07:36,926 --> 00:07:43,856\n目前是定在8月20日。請問你們知道原明日是哪一天嗎?\n\n22\n00:07:47,001 --> 00:08:08,797\n對,如果是8月1日的話,的確是時間上是趕不及的。是,時間上有點可惜,因為早上有圓明的委員這邊提到了對圓明的一個關注。本來本席是想你們如果來得及,給你們一個提醒,就是圓明日是在8月1日,那常常8月1日是一個很重要的節慶。那如果來不及至少,是不是你們還是在8月開始?\n\n23\n00:08:09,778 --> 00:08:36,030\n可不可以也強化跟重塑這樣一個概念因為本席發現從早上到現在的比例除了我們政委員是原住民他有特別注意到以外大家對新住民的關注讓我覺得有一點點這個我覺得還是要為我們自己發聲一下因為畢竟原住民在你們的這個概念裡面應該就是整個社會的福爾摩沙在史前歷史的部分都有很重要的一個位置\n\n24\n00:08:36,850 --> 00:08:55,727\n所以那還包括你們這所謂黑潮計畫所以我可以問一下這個就你們的概念因為本席也查了很多那本席發現在我們常常在定義上跟本席的一個學術背景我常常都覺得找不到答案可不可以請部裡面跟我解釋一下這個黑潮計畫你們的概念上是什麼\n\n25\n00:08:56,468 --> 00:09:18,565\n我是很清楚我們阿美族的概念那你們的概念是什麼跟委員說明整體的黑潮計畫其實是一個由台灣內容把台灣帶向國際的一個計畫所以它在各項的文化內容的呈現上面都有所謂黑潮計畫的推動跟助力那你們知道那個地理上的黑潮是什麼意思吧是當然\n\n26\n00:09:20,415 --> 00:09:38,523\n我特別查了,因為你們這邊我查不到,我就再確認一下是不是我一直停留在我小時候的記憶。那Kuroshio好像是他的名稱嘛,那跟日本有很大的關係。那跟我們阿美族最大的關係是我們從小就講,我們的豐年祭就是跟著黑潮一步一步往上走。因為黑潮是一個暖流,那帶有豐富的營養,那所經過的地方都很慾望。\n\n27\n00:09:42,165 --> 00:09:42,725\n主持人林倩綺\n\n28\n00:10:02,498 --> 00:10:28,484\n結果現在被借用了可是我一直在詮釋上找不出來你們從借用這個詞然後再發展這個部分好像中間有點斷裂本席這邊建議你們是不是在詮釋上能夠再精進去處理從它原本的意義一直到現在你們所講的要不然本席一直沒辦法搞懂這個黑潮甚至覺得我們阿美族的東西被你們用了然後也沒有一個闡述跟詮釋\n\n29\n00:10:29,964 --> 00:10:44,474\n所以這個請各位我講的真的是這個概念所以在學術概念上請你們給本席未來在查詢的時候呢能夠說服自己要不然會覺得我們的東西被你們用了之後呢也沒有任何的位置在這裡面\n\n30\n00:10:45,154 --> 00:11:03,278\n尤其是我會關注這個以後的你們說跨族群的語言不要只從原民台借用一些東西或者是你們說本席在過去的經驗常常碰到原住民的事物你們都會說我們會跟原民會原民會怎樣可是原民會常常都是我們原住民的概念\n\n31\n00:11:03,638 --> 00:11:33,098\n那難道這個其他的族群都沒有一些認識嗎?我們也期待其他的族群對我們的認識的概念能夠透過一些平台來瞭解然後產生一些溝通啊而不是我們自己一直在自言自語然後其他的平台建制了那其實有原名的這個部分結果中間是沒有任何對話的所以這個部分本席也會未來跟大家多做一些溝通最後文化奧運請問一下那個我們台灣原名在這個文化奧運裡面的團體的比例有多少?\n\n32\n00:11:33,831 --> 00:12:00,403\n我想我們沒有用比例來計算不過我們邀請的對象包括我們邀請的對象也有阿豹也有原住民團體的演出所以它整個是一個多元多族群包括客語傳統現代音樂DJ好的那我會特別關心原住民啦因為我發現大家現在要嘛這個年輕化要嘛幼兒化那早上也有那個五位元的這個壯士代有裡面有原住民的演出然後原住民呢也有可能你剛才講的阿豹嘛非常的現代而且非常的fusion那但是很多的傳統的這個\n\n33\n00:12:05,886 --> 00:12:25,781\n本席希望會後你可不可以提供給本席參加這個文化奧運在台灣館裡面會演出的這個團體到底是哪一些團體我們可以提供演出團體的名單最後本席的一個期待就這句話文化部可不可以跳脫我們這個行政本位跟有的時候意識形態那帶領台灣的社會\n\n34\n00:12:28,703 --> 00:12:29,463\n謝謝委員謝謝林倩綺\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8951\t9812\t王次長、胡董事長\n19433\t46493\t謝謝教委今天這個專題讓我們對於這個臺灣可能也走得比較慢的這個兒少這樣子的一個專題在影視平台讓我們特別關注的這樣一個主題有所了解那本席在前面的survey在這個去年應該你們在10月25號召開一個記者會然後 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謝謝次長那我也可能幫未來要投入跟大家一起工作的部長這邊先說一下話啦所以應該每個人都會有一些想法那我的部分呢能夠在這次跟大家做一個討論那我相信未來的你未來部長也應該會有一些想法\n282506\t299359\t﹗所以在這邊本席想要跟部裡跟公共電視這邊建議因為最近反霸凌這樣的議題很引發整個社會的關注所以在去年那個兒服聯盟對於全台兒少就進行調查那就發現台灣兒少現在有這種\n301840\t326913\t為歧視的現象跟校園霸凌的調查報告產生的結果是有15.1%的兒少被霸凌霸凌的狀況有網路、肢體、言語、關係等另外還有一種概念叫做為歧視為歧視大部分在我們沒有意識到的言語當中有高達34.2%的會遭遇到這樣一個問題\n330556\t352874\t這個調查報告其實顯示很重要的一件事情所以本席在這邊建議這個調查報告其實裡面還有38.4%的兒少就覺得自己有不一樣的特質然後會引發別人的關注然後身心疾病、性別氣質還有性傾向會被為歧視其實是最嚴重的那幾個概念上外貌、家庭狀況及種族這個是被\n356977\t376709\t發現最高的幾個比例所以本席在這邊建議就是這個反霸凌然後為歧視這個概念應該要放在這個兒少平台裡面還蠻重的一個比例這是本席對於整個社會文化的發展的一個期待當然早上大家有談到很多細節那這個細項可能未來我們再跟部裡面還有公共電視這邊來做一個比較細緻上的處理\n381932\t397592\t不過因為委員剛剛提到這個其實本來就是公視現在在進行的因為它其實是一個文化價值的核心那平等對待以及多元的文化的互相尊重原本就是整個兒少節目在價值上的一個核心所以其實公視在現在很重要的意思\n398192\t399452\t我相信在座每一個人都有可能經歷過這一段\n427921\t430182\t我們知道這個兒少平台在8月就要上路可以請教一下應該是那個董事長8月幾號上路?8月1號嗎?\n456926\t463856\t目前是定在8月20日。請問你們知道原明日是哪一天嗎?\n467001\t488797\t對,如果是8月1日的話,的確是時間上是趕不及的。是,時間上有點可惜,因為早上有圓明的委員這邊提到了對圓明的一個關注。本來本席是想你們如果來得及,給你們一個提醒,就是圓明日是在8月1日,那常常8月1日是一個很重要的節慶。那如果來不及至少,是不是你們還是在8月開始?\n489778\t516030\t可不可以也強化跟重塑這樣一個概念因為本席發現從早上到現在的比例除了我們政委員是原住民他有特別注意到以外大家對新住民的關注讓我覺得有一點點這個我覺得還是要為我們自己發聲一下因為畢竟原住民在你們的這個概念裡面應該就是整個社會的福爾摩沙在史前歷史的部分都有很重要的一個位置\n516850\t535727\t所以那還包括你們這所謂黑潮計畫所以我可以問一下這個就你們的概念因為本席也查了很多那本席發現在我們常常在定義上跟本席的一個學術背景我常常都覺得找不到答案可不可以請部裡面跟我解釋一下這個黑潮計畫你們的概念上是什麼\n536468\t558565\t我是很清楚我們阿美族的概念那你們的概念是什麼跟委員說明整體的黑潮計畫其實是一個由台灣內容把台灣帶向國際的一個計畫所以它在各項的文化內容的呈現上面都有所謂黑潮計畫的推動跟助力那你們知道那個地理上的黑潮是什麼意思吧是當然\n560415\t578523\t我特別查了,因為你們這邊我查不到,我就再確認一下是不是我一直停留在我小時候的記憶。那Kuroshio好像是他的名稱嘛,那跟日本有很大的關係。那跟我們阿美族最大的關係是我們從小就講,我們的豐年祭就是跟著黑潮一步一步往上走。因為黑潮是一個暖流,那帶有豐富的營養,那所經過的地方都很慾望。\n582165\t582725\t主持人 林倩綺\n602498\t628484\t結果現在被借用了可是我一直在詮釋上找不出來你們從借用這個詞然後再發展這個部分好像中間有點斷裂本席這邊建議你們是不是在詮釋上能夠再精進去處理從它原本的意義一直到現在你們所講的要不然本席一直沒辦法搞懂這個黑潮甚至覺得我們阿美族的東西被你們用了然後也沒有一個闡述跟詮釋\n629964\t644474\t所以這個請各位我講的真的是這個概念所以在學術概念上請你們給本席未來在查詢的時候呢能夠說服自己要不然會覺得我們的東西被你們用了之後呢也沒有任何的位置在這裡面\n645154\t663278\t尤其是我會關注這個以後的你們說跨族群的語言不要只從原民台借用一些東西或者是你們說本席在過去的經驗常常碰到原住民的事物你們都會說我們會跟原民會原民會怎樣可是原民會常常都是我們原住民的概念\n663638\t693098\t那難道這個其他的族群都沒有一些認識嗎?我們也期待其他的族群對我們的認識的概念能夠透過一些平台來瞭解然後產生一些溝通啊而不是我們自己一直在自言自語然後其他的平台建制了那其實有原名的這個部分結果中間是沒有任何對話的所以這個部分本席也會未來跟大家多做一些溝通最後文化奧運請問一下那個我們台灣原名在這個文化奧運裡面的團體的比例有多少?\n693831\t720403\t我想我們沒有用比例來計算不過我們邀請的對象包括我們邀請的對象也有阿豹也有原住民團體的演出所以它整個是一個多元多族群包括客語傳統現代音樂DJ好的那我會特別關心原住民啦因為我發現大家現在要嘛這個年輕化要嘛幼兒化那早上也有那個五位元的這個壯士代有裡面有原住民的演出然後原住民呢也有可能你剛才講的阿豹嘛非常的現代而且非常的fusion那但是很多的傳統的這個\n725886\t745781\t本席希望會後你可不可以提供給本席參加這個文化奧運在台灣館裡面會演出的這個團體到底是哪一些團體我們可以提供演出團體的名單最後本席的一個期待就這句話文化部可不可以跳脫我們這個行政本位跟有的時候意識形態那帶領台灣的社會\n748703\t749463\t謝謝委員謝謝林倩綺\n","txt":"王次長、胡董事長\n謝謝教委今天這個專題讓我們對於這個臺灣可能也走得比較慢的這個兒少這樣子的一個專題在影視平台讓我們特別關注的這樣一個主題有所了解那本席在前面的survey在這個去年應該你們在10月25號召開一個記者會然後 對吧宣布啟動這樣一個跨族群、跨平台跟跨語言的兒少服務計畫\n當時有陳院長、史部長及胡董事長出席。\n陳永澤這邊特別提到能夠這樣子做是因為公共電視修法了那在過去立法院的支持下可以產生很多優質的兒少節目裡面對於台灣兒少的IP能夠跟其他的媒介做比如說Switch的這個遊戲跨界能夠做一個結合然後期待推到全世界雖然我們這個部分剛才大家討論覺得有點慢但是至少我們現在已經開始起步做\n那部長在上一次的這個記者會裡面也提到了這個黑潮計畫那有關於這個黑潮計畫本席在一開始對這個計畫也感到非常的這個特殊因為這個跟本席的這個經驗有很大的一個關係我們可能待會再來討論所以在部長這邊也談到說這個我們跨出了一個單一頻道然後跨出主題電視頻道語言族群都是跨越的\n那看起來這樣一個跨越解構的思潮應該是在這裡面很重要的一環那當時在座的三位有發言人就胡董事長您當時也對於這樣一個頻道做了一些宣示那您還記得您當時比較發言的這個重點那跟您現在期待所做的這個部分是哪一些嗎?\n當然這樣的一個兒少頻道很謝謝政府跟大院的支持那我們可以跟各國的這些公共媒體一樣都來推動那當時我想很重要的一個心情就是希望這樣的一個兒少的心智內容他能夠讓兒童在成長的過程中少年在成長過程中能夠開心家長也能夠放心我記得那時應該是我主要的\n是是是,您主要談到家長放心,那孩子能夠開心那當然這個學齡圈跟學齡的這個兒童還有跟國外的一個連結當然這個部分就跟今天的這個報告內容也差不多所以本席就發現這個記者會\n大概就是這次報告內容的一個重點那這邊本席是有一個疑問因為好像在這一次唯一不太一樣的就是上一回你們的這個報告應該是針對第10屆的最後一個會期那這一次是這個第11屆第一個會期那不同的就是這個對象所以我這邊有一個疑問想要請教的是你們已經在這個新國會新總統新內閣上任前就已經編完\n而且已經開始啟動執行那如果本席在這邊有一些比較新的想法然後期待做一些修正跟規劃那這個地方還能夠有這個大規模的更動跟調整嗎?\n跟委員說明我想一個政府編列短中長程的計畫是一個現在政府的計畫形態那所以黑潮計畫的確是一個四年計畫那也有在確定四年預算的支持下有一些中長程的計畫才可以穩定發展但是如果委員有不同的意見或者是有\n主席\n好 謝謝次長那我也可能幫未來要投入跟大家一起工作的部長這邊先說一下話啦所以應該每個人都會有一些想法那我的部分呢能夠在這次跟大家做一個討論那我相信未來的你未來部長也應該會有一些想法\n﹗所以在這邊本席想要跟部裡跟公共電視這邊建議因為最近反霸凌這樣的議題很引發整個社會的關注所以在去年那個兒服聯盟對於全台兒少就進行調查那就發現台灣兒少現在有這種\n為歧視的現象跟校園霸凌的調查報告產生的結果是有15.1%的兒少被霸凌霸凌的狀況有網路、肢體、言語、關係等另外還有一種概念叫做為歧視為歧視大部分在我們沒有意識到的言語當中有高達34.2%的會遭遇到這樣一個問題\n這個調查報告其實顯示很重要的一件事情所以本席在這邊建議這個調查報告其實裡面還有38.4%的兒少就覺得自己有不一樣的特質然後會引發別人的關注然後身心疾病、性別氣質還有性傾向會被為歧視其實是最嚴重的那幾個概念上外貌、家庭狀況及種族這個是被\n發現最高的幾個比例所以本席在這邊建議就是這個反霸凌然後為歧視這個概念應該要放在這個兒少平台裡面還蠻重的一個比例這是本席對於整個社會文化的發展的一個期待當然早上大家有談到很多細節那這個細項可能未來我們再跟部裡面還有公共電視這邊來做一個比較細緻上的處理\n不過因為委員剛剛提到這個其實本來就是公視現在在進行的因為它其實是一個文化價值的核心那平等對待以及多元的文化的互相尊重原本就是整個兒少節目在價值上的一個核心所以其實公視在現在很重要的意思\n我相信在座每一個人都有可能經歷過這一段\n我們知道這個兒少平台在8月就要上路可以請教一下應該是那個董事長8月幾號上路?8月1號嗎?\n目前是定在8月20日。請問你們知道原明日是哪一天嗎?\n對,如果是8月1日的話,的確是時間上是趕不及的。是,時間上有點可惜,因為早上有圓明的委員這邊提到了對圓明的一個關注。本來本席是想你們如果來得及,給你們一個提醒,就是圓明日是在8月1日,那常常8月1日是一個很重要的節慶。那如果來不及至少,是不是你們還是在8月開始?\n可不可以也強化跟重塑這樣一個概念因為本席發現從早上到現在的比例除了我們政委員是原住民他有特別注意到以外大家對新住民的關注讓我覺得有一點點這個我覺得還是要為我們自己發聲一下因為畢竟原住民在你們的這個概念裡面應該就是整個社會的福爾摩沙在史前歷史的部分都有很重要的一個位置\n所以那還包括你們這所謂黑潮計畫所以我可以問一下這個就你們的概念因為本席也查了很多那本席發現在我們常常在定義上跟本席的一個學術背景我常常都覺得找不到答案可不可以請部裡面跟我解釋一下這個黑潮計畫你們的概念上是什麼\n我是很清楚我們阿美族的概念那你們的概念是什麼跟委員說明整體的黑潮計畫其實是一個由台灣內容把台灣帶向國際的一個計畫所以它在各項的文化內容的呈現上面都有所謂黑潮計畫的推動跟助力那你們知道那個地理上的黑潮是什麼意思吧是當然\n我特別查了,因為你們這邊我查不到,我就再確認一下是不是我一直停留在我小時候的記憶。那Kuroshio好像是他的名稱嘛,那跟日本有很大的關係。那跟我們阿美族最大的關係是我們從小就講,我們的豐年祭就是跟著黑潮一步一步往上走。因為黑潮是一個暖流,那帶有豐富的營養,那所經過的地方都很慾望。\n主持人 林倩綺\n結果現在被借用了可是我一直在詮釋上找不出來你們從借用這個詞然後再發展這個部分好像中間有點斷裂本席這邊建議你們是不是在詮釋上能夠再精進去處理從它原本的意義一直到現在你們所講的要不然本席一直沒辦法搞懂這個黑潮甚至覺得我們阿美族的東西被你們用了然後也沒有一個闡述跟詮釋\n所以這個請各位我講的真的是這個概念所以在學術概念上請你們給本席未來在查詢的時候呢能夠說服自己要不然會覺得我們的東西被你們用了之後呢也沒有任何的位置在這裡面\n尤其是我會關注這個以後的你們說跨族群的語言不要只從原民台借用一些東西或者是你們說本席在過去的經驗常常碰到原住民的事物你們都會說我們會跟原民會原民會怎樣可是原民會常常都是我們原住民的概念\n那難道這個其他的族群都沒有一些認識嗎?我們也期待其他的族群對我們的認識的概念能夠透過一些平台來瞭解然後產生一些溝通啊而不是我們自己一直在自言自語然後其他的平台建制了那其實有原名的這個部分結果中間是沒有任何對話的所以這個部分本席也會未來跟大家多做一些溝通最後文化奧運請問一下那個我們台灣原名在這個文化奧運裡面的團體的比例有多少?\n我想我們沒有用比例來計算不過我們邀請的對象包括我們邀請的對象也有阿豹也有原住民團體的演出所以它整個是一個多元多族群包括客語傳統現代音樂DJ好的那我會特別關心原住民啦因為我發現大家現在要嘛這個年輕化要嘛幼兒化那早上也有那個五位元的這個壯士代有裡面有原住民的演出然後原住民呢也有可能你剛才講的阿豹嘛非常的現代而且非常的fusion那但是很多的傳統的這個\n本席希望會後你可不可以提供給本席參加這個文化奧運在台灣館裡面會演出的這個團體到底是哪一些團體我們可以提供演出團體的名單最後本席的一個期待就這句話文化部可不可以跳脫我們這個行政本位跟有的時候意識形態那帶領台灣的社會\n謝謝委員謝謝林倩綺\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.951 --> 00:09.812\n王次長、胡董事長\n\n00:19.433 --> 00:46.493\n謝謝教委今天這個專題讓我們對於這個臺灣可能也走得比較慢的這個兒少這樣子的一個專題在影視平台讓我們特別關注的這樣一個主題有所了解那本席在前面的survey在這個去年應該你們在10月25號召開一個記者會然後對吧宣布啟動這樣一個跨族群、跨平台跟跨語言的兒少服務計畫\n\n00:47.534 --> 00:49.295\n當時有陳院長、史部長及胡董事長出席。\n\n01:06.183 --> 01:30.982\n陳永澤這邊特別提到能夠這樣子做是因為公共電視修法了那在過去立法院的支持下可以產生很多優質的兒少節目裡面對於台灣兒少的IP能夠跟其他的媒介做比如說Switch的這個遊戲跨界能夠做一個結合然後期待推到全世界雖然我們這個部分剛才大家討論覺得有點慢但是至少我們現在已經開始起步做\n\n01:31.622 --> 01:58.625\n那部長在上一次的這個記者會裡面也提到了這個黑潮計畫那有關於這個黑潮計畫本席在一開始對這個計畫也感到非常的這個特殊因為這個跟本席的這個經驗有很大的一個關係我們可能待會再來討論所以在部長這邊也談到說這個我們跨出了一個單一頻道然後跨出主題電視頻道語言族群都是跨越的\n\n01:59.145 --> 02:19.733\n那看起來這樣一個跨越解構的思潮應該是在這裡面很重要的一環那當時在座的三位有發言人就胡董事長您當時也對於這樣一個頻道做了一些宣示那您還記得您當時比較發言的這個重點那跟您現在期待所做的這個部分是哪一些嗎?\n\n02:21.849 --> 02:44.894\n當然這樣的一個兒少頻道很謝謝政府跟大院的支持那我們可以跟各國的這些公共媒體一樣都來推動那當時我想很重要的一個心情就是希望這樣的一個兒少的心智內容他能夠讓兒童在成長的過程中少年在成長過程中能夠開心家長也能夠放心我記得那時應該是我主要的\n\n02:45.034 --> 02:58.930\n是是是,您主要談到家長放心,那孩子能夠開心那當然這個學齡圈跟學齡的這個兒童還有跟國外的一個連結當然這個部分就跟今天的這個報告內容也差不多所以本席就發現這個記者會\n\n03:00.532 --> 03:16.200\n大概就是這次報告內容的一個重點那這邊本席是有一個疑問因為好像在這一次唯一不太一樣的就是上一回你們的這個報告應該是針對第10屆的最後一個會期那這一次是這個第11屆第一個會期那不同的就是這個對象所以我這邊有一個疑問想要請教的是你們已經在這個新國會新總統新內閣上任前就已經編完\n\n03:29.187 --> 03:38.077\n而且已經開始啟動執行那如果本席在這邊有一些比較新的想法然後期待做一些修正跟規劃那這個地方還能夠有這個大規模的更動跟調整嗎?\n\n03:43.103 --> 04:00.956\n跟委員說明我想一個政府編列短中長程的計畫是一個現在政府的計畫形態那所以黑潮計畫的確是一個四年計畫那也有在確定四年預算的支持下有一些中長程的計畫才可以穩定發展但是如果委員有不同的意見或者是有\n\n04:01.496 --> 04:01.656\n主席\n\n04:25.388 --> 04:41.725\n好謝謝次長那我也可能幫未來要投入跟大家一起工作的部長這邊先說一下話啦所以應該每個人都會有一些想法那我的部分呢能夠在這次跟大家做一個討論那我相信未來的你未來部長也應該會有一些想法\n\n04:42.506 --> 04:59.359\n﹗所以在這邊本席想要跟部裡跟公共電視這邊建議因為最近反霸凌這樣的議題很引發整個社會的關注所以在去年那個兒服聯盟對於全台兒少就進行調查那就發現台灣兒少現在有這種\n\n05:01.840 --> 05:26.913\n為歧視的現象跟校園霸凌的調查報告產生的結果是有15.1%的兒少被霸凌霸凌的狀況有網路、肢體、言語、關係等另外還有一種概念叫做為歧視為歧視大部分在我們沒有意識到的言語當中有高達34.2%的會遭遇到這樣一個問題\n\n05:30.556 --> 05:52.874\n這個調查報告其實顯示很重要的一件事情所以本席在這邊建議這個調查報告其實裡面還有38.4%的兒少就覺得自己有不一樣的特質然後會引發別人的關注然後身心疾病、性別氣質還有性傾向會被為歧視其實是最嚴重的那幾個概念上外貌、家庭狀況及種族這個是被\n\n05:56.977 --> 06:16.709\n發現最高的幾個比例所以本席在這邊建議就是這個反霸凌然後為歧視這個概念應該要放在這個兒少平台裡面還蠻重的一個比例這是本席對於整個社會文化的發展的一個期待當然早上大家有談到很多細節那這個細項可能未來我們再跟部裡面還有公共電視這邊來做一個比較細緻上的處理\n\n06:21.932 --> 06:37.592\n不過因為委員剛剛提到這個其實本來就是公視現在在進行的因為它其實是一個文化價值的核心那平等對待以及多元的文化的互相尊重原本就是整個兒少節目在價值上的一個核心所以其實公視在現在很重要的意思\n\n06:38.192 --> 06:39.452\n我相信在座每一個人都有可能經歷過這一段\n\n07:07.921 --> 07:10.182\n我們知道這個兒少平台在8月就要上路可以請教一下應該是那個董事長8月幾號上路?8月1號嗎?\n\n07:36.926 --> 07:43.856\n目前是定在8月20日。請問你們知道原明日是哪一天嗎?\n\n07:47.001 --> 08:08.797\n對,如果是8月1日的話,的確是時間上是趕不及的。是,時間上有點可惜,因為早上有圓明的委員這邊提到了對圓明的一個關注。本來本席是想你們如果來得及,給你們一個提醒,就是圓明日是在8月1日,那常常8月1日是一個很重要的節慶。那如果來不及至少,是不是你們還是在8月開始?\n\n08:09.778 --> 08:36.030\n可不可以也強化跟重塑這樣一個概念因為本席發現從早上到現在的比例除了我們政委員是原住民他有特別注意到以外大家對新住民的關注讓我覺得有一點點這個我覺得還是要為我們自己發聲一下因為畢竟原住民在你們的這個概念裡面應該就是整個社會的福爾摩沙在史前歷史的部分都有很重要的一個位置\n\n08:36.850 --> 08:55.727\n所以那還包括你們這所謂黑潮計畫所以我可以問一下這個就你們的概念因為本席也查了很多那本席發現在我們常常在定義上跟本席的一個學術背景我常常都覺得找不到答案可不可以請部裡面跟我解釋一下這個黑潮計畫你們的概念上是什麼\n\n08:56.468 --> 09:18.565\n我是很清楚我們阿美族的概念那你們的概念是什麼跟委員說明整體的黑潮計畫其實是一個由台灣內容把台灣帶向國際的一個計畫所以它在各項的文化內容的呈現上面都有所謂黑潮計畫的推動跟助力那你們知道那個地理上的黑潮是什麼意思吧是當然\n\n09:20.415 --> 09:38.523\n我特別查了,因為你們這邊我查不到,我就再確認一下是不是我一直停留在我小時候的記憶。那Kuroshio好像是他的名稱嘛,那跟日本有很大的關係。那跟我們阿美族最大的關係是我們從小就講,我們的豐年祭就是跟著黑潮一步一步往上走。因為黑潮是一個暖流,那帶有豐富的營養,那所經過的地方都很慾望。\n\n09:42.165 --> 09:42.725\n主持人林倩綺\n\n10:02.498 --> 10:28.484\n結果現在被借用了可是我一直在詮釋上找不出來你們從借用這個詞然後再發展這個部分好像中間有點斷裂本席這邊建議你們是不是在詮釋上能夠再精進去處理從它原本的意義一直到現在你們所講的要不然本席一直沒辦法搞懂這個黑潮甚至覺得我們阿美族的東西被你們用了然後也沒有一個闡述跟詮釋\n\n10:29.964 --> 10:44.474\n所以這個請各位我講的真的是這個概念所以在學術概念上請你們給本席未來在查詢的時候呢能夠說服自己要不然會覺得我們的東西被你們用了之後呢也沒有任何的位置在這裡面\n\n10:45.154 --> 11:03.278\n尤其是我會關注這個以後的你們說跨族群的語言不要只從原民台借用一些東西或者是你們說本席在過去的經驗常常碰到原住民的事物你們都會說我們會跟原民會原民會怎樣可是原民會常常都是我們原住民的概念\n\n11:03.638 --> 11:33.098\n那難道這個其他的族群都沒有一些認識嗎?我們也期待其他的族群對我們的認識的概念能夠透過一些平台來瞭解然後產生一些溝通啊而不是我們自己一直在自言自語然後其他的平台建制了那其實有原名的這個部分結果中間是沒有任何對話的所以這個部分本席也會未來跟大家多做一些溝通最後文化奧運請問一下那個我們台灣原名在這個文化奧運裡面的團體的比例有多少?\n\n11:33.831 --> 12:00.403\n我想我們沒有用比例來計算不過我們邀請的對象包括我們邀請的對象也有阿豹也有原住民團體的演出所以它整個是一個多元多族群包括客語傳統現代音樂DJ好的那我會特別關心原住民啦因為我發現大家現在要嘛這個年輕化要嘛幼兒化那早上也有那個五位元的這個壯士代有裡面有原住民的演出然後原住民呢也有可能你剛才講的阿豹嘛非常的現代而且非常的fusion那但是很多的傳統的這個\n\n12:05.886 --> 12:25.781\n本席希望會後你可不可以提供給本席參加這個文化奧運在台灣館裡面會演出的這個團體到底是哪一些團體我們可以提供演出團體的名單最後本席的一個期待就這句話文化部可不可以跳脫我們這個行政本位跟有的時候意識形態那帶領台灣的社會\n\n12:28.703 --> 12:29.463\n謝謝委員謝謝林倩綺\n\n","segments":[{"start":8.951,"end":9.812,"text":"王次長、胡董事長"},{"start":19.433,"end":46.493,"text":"謝謝教委今天這個專題讓我們對於這個臺灣可能也走得比較慢的這個兒少這樣子的一個專題在影視平台讓我們特別關注的這樣一個主題有所了解那本席在前面的survey在這個去年應該你們在10月25號召開一個記者會然後 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