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00:00:47,420\n還好還好喔好那這一次我們看到至少你應該知道這一次張學友再度來到台灣開演唱會那前面是六場後面加場那前面那個六場啊那個票那個不叫秒殺那個是真的是打開就全部就賣光了那所以呢哀鴻遍野因為很多啊你們不太喜歡他但他在台灣擁有廣大的歌迷\n\n3\n00:00:48,660 --> 00:01:01,311\n所以其實非常非常多人上網去搶票那包括本席跟我們很多的朋友那一天幾乎是很多人都是把電腦打開非常多隻的手機都準備在那個地方來搶票這都是在尋正常管道但是我們總是看到在這個網站上面那就是不斷的那個訊號一直轉圈轉圈轉到大家非常心焦那最後幾乎都是落空\n\n4\n00:01:12,341 --> 00:01:16,405\n所以這個時候結果黃牛出來了所以我們其實看到在這一次這個不管是張學友或者是韓國的一個天后IU我想他們的票其實都非常的搶手所以即便張學友在家場一樣都搶光光但是我想我們回頭來看去年的9月份\n\n5\n00:01:33,584 --> 00:01:48,423\n我們有一名這個周姓的這個電腦工程師那他自己用這個自行撰寫的AI的外掛程式來用收取代購費的方式呢去幫民眾到各大這個售票網站去買票\n\n6\n00:01:49,284 --> 00:01:56,549\n那她這個搶購的機會都是熱門的這個演唱會的黃牛票三個月得手了152張這件事情次長一定知道那這也是在去年的6月我們這個文創法這個防堵黃牛搶票之後的一個首例那我們看到這第一案怎麼判的她這個被捕之後她認罪但是呢就是返還了她的27.9萬的不法所得\n\n7\n00:02:14,821 --> 00:02:17,963\n市長您認為,現在這個黃牛票槍決成這樣,但是我們的首例是這樣的一個判例,您怎麼看這會有嚇阻的效果嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:33,069 --> 00:02:33,829\n法定人數不足\n\n9\n00:02:52,875 --> 00:02:53,636\n4月29日及5月2日二天一次會．萬美玲\n\n10\n00:03:10,728 --> 00:03:32,105\n跟委員報告關鍵是他用不正方式掃票所以觸犯的是形式你說關鍵是什麼他用不正的方式取得也就是用掃票的行為那當然嘛所以他並不是真正的代購那我想因為我們其實在文創法修法的時候我講得很清楚哪一些要件您剛剛也報告過了可是我們看到這一位周姓的這個工程師他被查獲152張票\n\n11\n00:03:33,806 --> 00:03:42,030\n以一張就是說以比較熱門的演唱會的平均票價我們用3000塊來算我們因為是我們的罰金是10倍到50倍我們就用10倍去計算這樣算一下他至少應該要被罰到456萬但剛才您也報告過了現在全國的財主金額只有208萬可見這個案子是沒有用加價轉售的這個方式去裁罰的那如果是這樣的話這個裁罰的基準是正確的嗎\n\n12\n00:04:19,057 --> 00:04:34,151\n市長我想我們去年在討論這個修法的時候我們就是希望能夠針對用作弊程式搶票的人能夠被重罰但是我們文創法之後的這一期我們的罰的方式是剛剛您說的可能用作弊程式搶票給予懲處\n\n13\n00:04:35,712 --> 00:04:52,164\n那但是呢對於它收售收這個代購費用然後去轉售這個門票啊那你是沒有用我們這個就是加購轉售的方式的10倍到50倍去罰喔那我覺得這個是一個很大的一個漏洞啦那您也看得非常清楚但是今天在這邊又要跟我講刑法那又要針對漏洞的部分其實我覺得視而不見喔我覺得難怪啦\n\n14\n00:04:58,348 --> 00:05:26,399\n如果文化部是這麼消極的一個態度的話難怪黃牛票會如此的猖獗所以次長那本席就在請教你如果現在有很多的社群其實我們打開這個網站上都可以看得到有很多代購啦代尋啦或代搶票的這個方式來提供演唱會的這個門票然後再去要求支付代購代搶的費用他等轉一手那這難道不算黃牛票的一種嗎要看個案的狀態有可能是什麼叫做要看個案的狀態法宣在那邊這麼清楚對不對\n\n15\n00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:47,818\n沒有就是說因為如果代購的是必要開支也就是收錢的是第三方比如說油資費、車資收錢是第三方他就不會構成所謂的加價但是如果錢是他收去他就會是符合了所謂的加價轉售的要件所以就要看個案的情況事實上是什麼樣的狀況來做判來做判決\n\n16\n00:05:50,387 --> 00:06:09,242\n市長,我們在臉書上去搜尋搶票可以看到一大堆售票、讓票、換票的演唱會的社團裡面有很多都是用代購、代搶票的方式如果我們有一個很大的漏洞在那個地方但是文化部的做法\n\n17\n00:06:09,582 --> 00:06:23,059\n跟說法都是說我們看看個案啊每一個個案再來看看啊我覺得其實是真的非常非常辛苦這件事情啊所以呢網站打開有這麼多目前都是用這樣的漏洞在做我不知道你是不想查還是裝的不知道啊那所以根據\n\n18\n00:06:24,861 --> 00:06:41,165\n根據文化部您自己提供跟北京的資料我們看到文化部的檢舉專區我們鼓勵檢舉嘛那從成立到現在4月15號統計下來符合文創法第10條之一的規定案件如果是加價轉售的案件現在有1640件那其中\n\n19\n00:06:43,326 --> 00:07:10,738\n資料齊全的就有609件但是實際的裁罰卻只有30件總裁罰進行的就是您剛剛在報告的208萬而已那另外呢第二個就是以不證方式來這個購票的案件有101件資料齊全的現在也有6件加上警察機關來自行調查的兩件現在有8件都是這個我們最重視的以掃票機器人的程式搶票的案件那現在三件地檢署還在調查中那兩件還起訴所以\n\n20\n00:07:12,899 --> 00:07:17,865\n市長,我們如果依照這樣的一個裁罰的案件數、金額還有這個處罰的方式還有我們對待這個黃牛的態度你覺得這樣子到目前為止有辦法去嚇阻黃牛嗎?那有沒有必要來加重?\n\n21\n00:07:28,036 --> 00:07:29,217\n市長覺得有沒有需要加重的這個必要出發?\n\n22\n00:07:54,514 --> 00:07:55,815\n市長,你不是回頭去呼籲嗎?其實剛才不管您現在的回答或是剛才我們提出的\n\n23\n00:08:16,408 --> 00:08:18,189\n這次不管是韓國的天后．或者是幾個熱門的演唱會．包括張學友那你看我們又看到又有租客的工程師去撰寫這個搶票機器人還工人下載\n\n24\n00:08:44,808 --> 00:09:10,237\n那我們有沒有去想過就像您剛說的如果各大售票系統演唱會的這個票券的這個系統這麼容易就可以去破解然後這個搶票機器人的這個程式都可以這麼快那你有沒有想過有沒有找過比如說數位發展部去想想看怎麼去協助這些這個售票平台去強化他們的資安我們有跟售票平台做洽談怎麼做就是要求他們來做這些加強他的程式\n\n25\n00:09:11,377 --> 00:09:38,894\n去防範掃票機器人的這個程式效果其實有的售票平台就做得比較好其實的確是看售票平台他們自己的數位能力他們有的會比較願意投資這個成本來做的我想次長不管是日本採用抽選制或者韓國採用實名制那我們現在當然也鼓勵啦每一種制度都有它的優劣但是我想強化我們業者的售票系統才能夠阻斷作弊的程式這才能夠根本的解決黃牛問題啦所以我們希望文化部能夠再加強好嗎\n\n26\n00:09:39,996 --> 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