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00:03:23,565\n因為新聞是這樣報嘛他想要辦百團啊對但是作為一個退輔會主委你對這些畢業的學長有沒有什麼建議說法我個人絕對不相信會有百團要去而且到達三千人我絕對不相信那對於執意要去的這些人你有沒有什麼勸他們的話當然他們上面寫的是落地這個接待嘛但是我想\n\n10\n00:03:25,660 --> 00:03:50,414\n假如他們三千人我們假設三千人去了那你既然那麼喜歡那邊你乾脆就不要回來了嘛那你既然又要回來那表示我們這裡當然有他優勢的地方讓他願意留在這邊的地方去那個地方呢毫無意義坦白講在中國的所謂的老校友你上次說的不是死了就投降的\n\n11\n00:03:51,803 --> 00:03:52,743\n委員我還有一個想法今天這些人要去\n\n12\n00:04:19,827 --> 00:04:19,947\n主委\n\n13\n00:04:48,487 --> 00:05:17,134\n社會構成的因素有很多社會組成的看法也很多元但不管怎麼多元看法怎麼不一樣沒有像侵略者卑躬屈膝的道理特別是黃埔這兩個字在中國代表他們的勝利他們的殲滅對我們來講是一個堅毅不拔重新復效了所以我是希望退輔會有些情緒可以去消化掉但有些事情不能做就是不能做我接下來要請教你下一個課題\n\n14\n00:05:19,949 --> 00:05:25,256\n這個我們常常在委員會提到我們退伍軍人的教育補助費那\n\n15\n00:05:26,915 --> 00:05:50,287\n這個教育補助費目前是在中校以下那我們也放了一段時間現在有一個時空背景的改變第一個行政院已經開始補助私立大學學費每學年每年補助到這個三萬五千元那公立大學的話每一年補助大概是兩萬元左右也就是說以往\n\n16\n00:05:51,047 --> 00:06:15,226\n行政院沒有這個補助他放在教育部那邊那我們退伍軍人在退輔會這邊的教育補助費呢私立學校的距離就是7萬多我們補助7萬多塊那公立大學的補助呢距離就差27,200但現在因為行政院的整體支出已經補助35,000元公立大學補助2萬元等等\n\n17\n00:06:16,365 --> 00:06:25,113\n所以我們原來在退輔會補助退伍軍人的學費跟預算支出的距離拉近了大概減了一半\n\n18\n00:06:26,328 --> 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我們在這個辦公室的空間也認識快8年了希望將來還有機會一起聊聊一起分享你的人生智慧經驗我現在請教你三個課題\n第一個今天新聞已經報了中共要辦百年黃埔100團一團30人就3000個我們官校畢業退伍的學長們去廣東那我們摘要一下陸軍官校的歷史我相信主委比我更熟\n我們國家的陸軍官校在1924年6月16號創建於中國廣東省黃埔區那1927年遷到南京1937年遷到成都1946年改稱中華民國陸軍軍官學校1950年在台灣的鳳山高雄鳳山副校這段歷史維基百科寫的很清楚\n第二個事情是原來在中國黃埔區的軍校其實從解放軍燒殺擄掠之後1949年12月根本就廢校到現在了1949年就在黃埔區就弄一個遺址紀念碑後來50年代放個紀念碑已經廢校到現在\n黃埔軍校同學會1984年6月16日\n我現在先請到第一個問題你覺得中共到底有沒有資格辦黃埔百年\n當然沒有資格,但是他要辦的話是統戰的意圖,我們也阻止不了當然,他在他們的國家辦,但他們要辦這個黃埔百年其實蠻諷刺蠻笑話的,當年就是被他滅掉的嘛我可以直接講,我不相信我們有3000人要到那邊去\n陸軍官校畢業的學長們應不應該去參加中國統戰部轄下的黃埔軍校同學會在廣東所辦的黃埔百年這個活動\n因為新聞是這樣報嘛他想要辦百團啊對但是作為一個退輔會主委你對這些畢業的學長有沒有什麼建議說法我個人絕對不相信會有百團要去而且到達三千人我絕對不相信那對於執意要去的這些人你有沒有什麼勸他們的話當然他們上面寫的是落地這個接待嘛但是我想\n假如他們三千人我們假設三千人去了那你既然那麼喜歡那邊你乾脆就不要回來了嘛那你既然又要回來那表示我們這裡當然有他優勢的地方讓他願意留在這邊的地方去那個地方呢毫無意義坦白講在中國的所謂的老校友你上次說的不是死了就投降的\n委員我還有一個想法今天這些人要去\n主委\n社會構成的因素有很多社會組成的看法也很多元但不管怎麼多元看法怎麼不一樣沒有像侵略者卑躬屈膝的道理特別是黃埔這兩個字在中國代表他們的勝利他們的殲滅對我們來講是一個堅毅不拔重新復效了所以我是希望退輔會有些情緒可以去消化掉但有些事情不能做就是不能做我接下來要請教你下一個課題\n這個我們常常在委員會提到我們退伍軍人的教育補助費那\n這個教育補助費目前是在中校以下那我們也放了一段時間現在有一個時空背景的改變第一個行政院已經開始補助私立大學學費每學年每年補助到這個三萬五千元那公立大學的話每一年補助大概是兩萬元左右也就是說以往\n行政院沒有這個補助他放在教育部那邊那我們退伍軍人在退輔會這邊的教育補助費呢私立學校的距離就是7萬多我們補助7萬多塊那公立大學的補助呢距離就差27,200但現在因為行政院的整體支出已經補助35,000元公立大學補助2萬元等等\n所以我們原來在退輔會補助退伍軍人的學費跟預算支出的距離拉近了大概減了一半\n所以實質上我們現在運作的制度是小朋友讀大學爸爸如果有退輔會的這個補助的資格他可以二折一我要嘛就選擇教育部的補助三萬五要不然我就選擇退輔會的補助七萬一千六所以那個差額大概差別在三萬多塊跟以往零跟七萬一千六距離比較遠所以整體我們\n退輔會跟教育部整體行政院在退伍軍人教育補助費這樣的差額事實上是縮短的因為你那邊增加一個新的福利政策那是好事我們希望幫讀私立大學的孩子們撐一把讓他負擔輕鬆一點所以本席算了一下如果用行政院整體預算支出的規模來看現在把上校以上的子女教育補助費納入\n實質預算並沒有增加因為那個私立大學跟公立大學在教育部那一塊已經有個金額在那邊處理了我現在是一個退伍的上校還是讀大學我可以選擇教育部那一塊就補助三萬五但是因為現在退輔會沒有嘛否則退輔會是補助七萬一千六百塊嘛\n所以這個距離拉近了預算算起來因為上校以上的退伍軍人佔10%以下的佔90%所以整體行政院的預算支出其實在教育補助費這邊差距是往下降的所以本席是建議\n委員我對這個委員的建議感到非常的感佩\n但是我還有一個想法把這個上校教育補助費取消是因為有一個橫貧的一個說法那我們為什麼不能夠把軍工教一體\n來作務這些學生一起來提升我們退輔會大概只能處理退輔軍人我如果要問你公教的話我就越權了所以你先不要講到公教那一塊公教他們上班的狀況跟軍人還是不一樣我們軍人停留年一到我升不上去就退了公務員不犯法大概可以坐到65歲這不一樣的狀況我是覺得\n原來是要增加預算支出1億多那10%的上校以上但是因為行政院已經增加了教育補助費私立大學給你3萬5公立大學給你2萬1千6所以這個距離我特別強調是距離已經拉近了所以我們實質的支出其實是往下降這時候把上校以上納入的話\n李文宗副主委\n李文忠副主委代表我們臺灣的退伍軍人退輔會到歐洲這比較罕見我們以往都跑美國的退伍軍人協會那他這一次到歐洲到底拜訪哪些國家他去歐洲去了\n有三個國家這個國家裡面中間有些是中途人家來邀請的還可以這樣子對我覺得是這個方面是一個突破但是委員我想我會請李副主委到您辦公室\n有沒有邀請對方來台灣互訪?\n這個當然是有而且我們希望以後能夠增加一些交流裡面的實質內容在可見的時間內最後題目時間到了在可見的時間內這一些國家的退伍軍人的會長相關總會長你預計今年會不會來台灣訪問今年的預算沒有但是明年我們已經編列了\n主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.549 --> 00:24.934\n謝謝主席麻煩主委請馮主委主委早我們在這個辦公室的空間也認識快8年了希望將來還有機會一起聊聊一起分享你的人生智慧經驗我現在請教你三個課題\n\n00:26.513 --> 00:45.907\n第一個今天新聞已經報了中共要辦百年黃埔100團一團30人就3000個我們官校畢業退伍的學長們去廣東那我們摘要一下陸軍官校的歷史我相信主委比我更熟\n\n00:47.438 --> 01:12.112\n我們國家的陸軍官校在1924年6月16號創建於中國廣東省黃埔區那1927年遷到南京1937年遷到成都1946年改稱中華民國陸軍軍官學校1950年在台灣的鳳山高雄鳳山副校這段歷史維基百科寫的很清楚\n\n01:12.992 --> 01:33.137\n第二個事情是原來在中國黃埔區的軍校其實從解放軍燒殺擄掠之後1949年12月根本就廢校到現在了1949年就在黃埔區就弄一個遺址紀念碑後來50年代放個紀念碑已經廢校到現在\n\n01:33.971 --> 01:35.274\n黃埔軍校同學會1984年6月16日\n\n01:43.268 --> 01:46.650\n我現在先請到第一個問題你覺得中共到底有沒有資格辦黃埔百年\n\n02:10.465 --> 02:30.958\n當然沒有資格,但是他要辦的話是統戰的意圖,我們也阻止不了當然,他在他們的國家辦,但他們要辦這個黃埔百年其實蠻諷刺蠻笑話的,當年就是被他滅掉的嘛我可以直接講,我不相信我們有3000人要到那邊去\n\n02:31.977 --> 02:34.258\n陸軍官校畢業的學長們應不應該去參加中國統戰部轄下的黃埔軍校同學會在廣東所辦的黃埔百年這個活動\n\n02:54.465 --> 03:23.565\n因為新聞是這樣報嘛他想要辦百團啊對但是作為一個退輔會主委你對這些畢業的學長有沒有什麼建議說法我個人絕對不相信會有百團要去而且到達三千人我絕對不相信那對於執意要去的這些人你有沒有什麼勸他們的話當然他們上面寫的是落地這個接待嘛但是我想\n\n03:25.660 --> 03:50.414\n假如他們三千人我們假設三千人去了那你既然那麼喜歡那邊你乾脆就不要回來了嘛那你既然又要回來那表示我們這裡當然有他優勢的地方讓他願意留在這邊的地方去那個地方呢毫無意義坦白講在中國的所謂的老校友你上次說的不是死了就投降的\n\n03:51.803 --> 03:52.743\n委員我還有一個想法今天這些人要去\n\n04:19.827 --> 04:19.947\n主委\n\n04:48.487 --> 05:17.134\n社會構成的因素有很多社會組成的看法也很多元但不管怎麼多元看法怎麼不一樣沒有像侵略者卑躬屈膝的道理特別是黃埔這兩個字在中國代表他們的勝利他們的殲滅對我們來講是一個堅毅不拔重新復效了所以我是希望退輔會有些情緒可以去消化掉但有些事情不能做就是不能做我接下來要請教你下一個課題\n\n05:19.949 --> 05:25.256\n這個我們常常在委員會提到我們退伍軍人的教育補助費那\n\n05:26.915 --> 05:50.287\n這個教育補助費目前是在中校以下那我們也放了一段時間現在有一個時空背景的改變第一個行政院已經開始補助私立大學學費每學年每年補助到這個三萬五千元那公立大學的話每一年補助大概是兩萬元左右也就是說以往\n\n05:51.047 --> 06:15.226\n行政院沒有這個補助他放在教育部那邊那我們退伍軍人在退輔會這邊的教育補助費呢私立學校的距離就是7萬多我們補助7萬多塊那公立大學的補助呢距離就差27,200但現在因為行政院的整體支出已經補助35,000元公立大學補助2萬元等等\n\n06:16.365 --> 06:25.113\n所以我們原來在退輔會補助退伍軍人的學費跟預算支出的距離拉近了大概減了一半\n\n06:26.328 --> 06:48.261\n所以實質上我們現在運作的制度是小朋友讀大學爸爸如果有退輔會的這個補助的資格他可以二折一我要嘛就選擇教育部的補助三萬五要不然我就選擇退輔會的補助七萬一千六所以那個差額大概差別在三萬多塊跟以往零跟七萬一千六距離比較遠所以整體我們\n\n06:49.261 --> 07:14.160\n退輔會跟教育部整體行政院在退伍軍人教育補助費這樣的差額事實上是縮短的因為你那邊增加一個新的福利政策那是好事我們希望幫讀私立大學的孩子們撐一把讓他負擔輕鬆一點所以本席算了一下如果用行政院整體預算支出的規模來看現在把上校以上的子女教育補助費納入\n\n07:16.421 --> 07:33.006\n實質預算並沒有增加因為那個私立大學跟公立大學在教育部那一塊已經有個金額在那邊處理了我現在是一個退伍的上校還是讀大學我可以選擇教育部那一塊就補助三萬五但是因為現在退輔會沒有嘛否則退輔會是補助七萬一千六百塊嘛\n\n07:33.686 --> 07:50.095\n所以這個距離拉近了預算算起來因為上校以上的退伍軍人佔10%以下的佔90%所以整體行政院的預算支出其實在教育補助費這邊差距是往下降的所以本席是建議\n\n07:52.116 --> 07:53.097\n委員我對這個委員的建議感到非常的感佩\n\n08:13.442 --> 08:24.809\n但是我還有一個想法把這個上校教育補助費取消是因為有一個橫貧的一個說法那我們為什麼不能夠把軍工教一體\n\n08:26.275 --> 08:46.473\n來作務這些學生一起來提升我們退輔會大概只能處理退輔軍人我如果要問你公教的話我就越權了所以你先不要講到公教那一塊公教他們上班的狀況跟軍人還是不一樣我們軍人停留年一到我升不上去就退了公務員不犯法大概可以坐到65歲這不一樣的狀況我是覺得\n\n08:50.316 --> 09:08.858\n原來是要增加預算支出1億多那10%的上校以上但是因為行政院已經增加了教育補助費私立大學給你3萬5公立大學給你2萬1千6所以這個距離我特別強調是距離已經拉近了所以我們實質的支出其實是往下降這時候把上校以上納入的話\n\n09:09.699 --> 09:11.140\n李文宗副主委\n\n09:35.315 --> 09:46.086\n李文忠副主委代表我們臺灣的退伍軍人退輔會到歐洲這比較罕見我們以往都跑美國的退伍軍人協會那他這一次到歐洲到底拜訪哪些國家他去歐洲去了\n\n09:50.987 --> 10:07.066\n有三個國家這個國家裡面中間有些是中途人家來邀請的還可以這樣子對我覺得是這個方面是一個突破但是委員我想我會請李副主委到您辦公室\n\n10:07.947 --> 10:08.227\n有沒有邀請對方來台灣互訪?\n\n10:38.703 --> 10:58.401\n這個當然是有而且我們希望以後能夠增加一些交流裡面的實質內容在可見的時間內最後題目時間到了在可見的時間內這一些國家的退伍軍人的會長相關總會長你預計今年會不會來台灣訪問今年的預算沒有但是明年我們已經編列了\n\n11:00.239 --> 11:00.339\n主席\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.549,"end":24.934,"text":"謝謝主席 麻煩主委請馮主委主委早 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