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00:02:11,789\n剛剛已經都提過了花錢事小萬一被騙勒剛剛市長也很謝謝你說有知道現在黃牛現在要變成詐騙黃牛了這個真的是非常危險但是您說成效很好我們來看一下從去年5月到今年3月\n\n7\n00:02:22,458 --> 00:02:37,812\n將藝文票券以超過票面金額定價販售者．被檢舉的案件一共580件．其中加起來56%加價金額都低於1000元這跟我們認知的黃牛產業是完全不同的\n\n8\n00:02:38,793 --> 00:03:00,835\n結果我們看到了很多我們據悉我們去了解以後發現．很多都是不熟悉法律規範的學生．或者是朋友．他們只不過在轉售票券的過程當中．無意間加上一些手續費所犯下的案件．結果你們文化部的書面報告在結語了之後說．做得很好加價轉售機率大幅下降．\n\n9\n00:03:01,896 --> 00:03:18,954\n實際上我們認為根本沒看到滿天的老鷹在飛還沾沾自喜的覺得打了一堆小鳥想請教一下次長文化部到底針對黃牛的案件到底是要打老鷹還是打小鳥到底要主動還是被動可不可以分享一下\n\n10\n00:03:19,724 --> 00:03:39,146\n跟委員說明以張學友的案件來說現在我們已經接獲了112件那有14件都已經在調查那有些現在已經甚至在進行監警員的到場的一個陳述所以是要打老鷹馬的啦所以我們下一次我們就來看一下這個案件是不是又是1000塊囉其實最重要的事情是不要再有黃牛這才是比較關鍵的事情\n\n11\n00:03:40,207 --> 00:03:53,833\n講是很容易講但我們接下來就是要看數字好不好然後我們也要看成果零零星星的成果一千塊以上佔56%這都不是我們要的不要持續的消極、被動希望主動、積極\n\n12\n00:03:55,214 --> 00:04:09,043\n接下來賴準總統提出的行動Active創新Innovative的內閣難道是因為沒有行動力沒有創新嗎在講現在嗎我們先來講一下創新的部分主席有請數位部產業署署長黃興富科長好數位部請\n\n13\n00:04:14,165 --> 00:04:20,350\n因為我時間有限你一邊移動的時候我就先一邊說明今天數位部來列席書面報告只提到了強化檢舉平台資訊安全但剛剛我們文化部次長已經跟你們求救了很多平台業者的數位能力不一樣但我們來講創新不是只是改變一些程式碼就可以我們來看一下韓國的SK集團打算利用AlphaLaunch的區塊鏈技術和NFT非同質化的特性來做未來票券\n\n14\n00:04:42,788 --> 00:05:05,773\n全球最大的票券平臺Ticketmaster．去年也推出了區塊鏈代幣門控TokenGating的功能．請問一下數位部．目前有沒有收集國內外．用科技甚至是區塊鏈的技術．來遏止黃牛的案例．甚至進一步進行相關的研究．台灣有ArcaSwap有做過了．國外有OpenSea．有沒有研究過．有或沒有\n\n15\n00:05:13,856 --> 00:05:25,508\n有嗎?那有沒有相關的報告?網路上面有嗎?有沒有研議未來的做法?有沒有給予支持?有沒有連結文化部來做一些跨部會的合作?\n\n16\n00:05:28,774 --> 00:05:48,380\n我們會積極來跟文化部這邊來討論我想台灣是科技之島希望數位部能夠跨部會來協助文化部真的是要用魔法來打敗魔法我想我們真的是不能被動要更積極接下來想跟次長分享兩項訊息在此先請教一下次長知不知道母湯是什麼意思\n\n17\n00:05:49,140 --> 00:05:53,562\n台語的母湯嘛對啦你很了解我也很了解但我們問了這個Meta這家公司新釋出的最強最強大的拉瑪山的這個AI問他說你知道母湯是什麼意思嗎就他說是母親的湯啦很溫暖啦像母親煮的湯一樣你如果覺得電影很好看就要說好母湯啊\n\n18\n00:06:12,429 --> 00:06:29,340\n一樣的問題我們拿去問臺灣的AI計畫臺德7B的版本得到的答案是母湯就是厲害到不行你看到一個運動員比賽很優秀就說這下子他母湯了所以次長我們下一次到電影院看電影看得好看是不是要說母湯母湯我再此先強調一下這不是臺德不好\n\n19\n00:06:33,863 --> 00:06:50,154\n而是他們沒有得到足夠的訓練和資料這是非戰之罪但是如果在AI的時代我們造成了文化覆滅這不是我們要看到的問題我們接下來再問您這個人物、電影人物我們應該要叫蜘蛛人還蜘蛛俠在台灣請回答這是一般文化的問題我平常是叫蜘蛛人那另外一個電影明星你要叫他李奧納多還萊昂納多\n\n20\n00:07:02,689 --> 00:07:18,183\n臺灣的翻譯應該是李奧納多很好接下來還有更多的例子這是沙丘走紅的這個Zendaya結果在臺灣大概有幾十種藝名有人說他叫千代亞某一間公司說的另外一個電影公司說叫新帝亞中國大陸稱讚達亞\n\n21\n00:07:20,865 --> 00:07:24,428\n結果現在我們在網路上跟人家對話講來講去台灣的名字根本就消失了為什麼因為你一大堆亂七八糟的名字我們對文化部來講我們沒有任何的指引沒有任何的立場我就在此請教一下文化部我們要不要乾脆放棄台灣的藝名\n\n22\n00:07:37,938 --> 00:07:38,558\n我想文化內容的主體性跟台灣自己在這些\n\n23\n00:07:58,103 --> 00:08:16,789\n我想應該是要有方法來訓練這些AI讓他有更多的台灣內容的資源才會回答正確的答案AI的資料靠大邊走我們有沒有可能以官方的立場由文化部來鼓勵建立一個全球電影相關藝名上映的資料庫來跟AI做好好的協作\n\n24\n00:08:17,679 --> 00:08:42,026\n有沒有機會演繹啊?這個我們來演繹好謝謝喔那接下來拉馬山我們剛剛看到這個母湯也是對我們這個文化慢慢的變成邊緣啦我們台灣可能會在AI時代變成文化難民我手邊呢有這個文化部提供給國共會台的資料清單礙於版權因素很多的產品管轍介紹等等資料嚴重不足\n\n25\n00:08:42,486 --> 00:09:11,706\n反觀我們的鄰國日本早就已經大膽allinAI．無論版權、官方允許任何資料用於訓練人工智慧請教次長．文化部是不是可以針對本身所擁有的資料庫產品．研議進一步全面開放給台德訓練使用．未來升級文化部補助的案件．是不是可以研議在一定的限度之下必須將成果開放給台德．或者其他台灣支持的大圓模型來使用訓練\n\n26\n00:09:12,727 --> 00:09:20,903\n以上兩點希望文化部可以加強與藝文界的溝通並著手進行相關研議將研議成果於一個月內書面回覆本席\n\n27\n00:09:24,132 --> 00:09:44,663\n謝謝文化部最近砸了8000多案弄了一個歌仔戲很多人有很多的意見我們先不管如果能把這樣的戲曲資料劇本開放用來訓練AI讓外國朋友、外國AI都能更了解台灣的戲曲這不是很好嗎但是為什麼我們的這些資料都不公開呢到底是不敢被他們看還是怕他們被發現錯誤呢\n\n28\n00:09:47,344 --> 00:09:49,046\n我想國科會接下來還會持續進行大圓模型的訓練我們現在只有7B可以開源商用13B只能學研用途資料還是嚴重不足\n\n29\n00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:19,771\nM公司的400B都已經在訓練當中很快要釋出為了台灣能夠持續保有文化自主性這個我相信都是跨黨派的意思我們必須要在相關強勢的其他中文語言的模型之下一定要見縫插針相較於豐沛的其他類型的中文資料繁體中文的資料本來就稀少\n\n30\n00:10:20,171 --> 00:10:30,942\n我們一定要跨部會尤其是文化部將資源匯聚台灣才有可能在中文的語言模型AI的下一個世代找到我們台灣自己的定位謝謝好謝謝葛如鈞委員謝謝各位\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9194\t15497\t謝謝主席。有請文化部王石思次長、體育署鄭世忠署長以及內政部警政署林明佐警政監。謝謝。\n28883\t29804\t一文票券移送案件五件\n47999\t75957\t體育署這個更誇張四個多月具體成效只有民眾檢舉案件兩件我就在此請教一下文化部體育署跟警政署難道這些零零星星的案件就是這個聯合打牛一年的懲治成果嗎難道二指黃牛完完全全是一般民眾的責任嗎對於主動查緝的成效這是未提可不可以回答我是不是民眾檢舉才是我們唯一的做法是或不是\n78051\t97720\t不是,因為其實為什麼案件變得很少很關鍵的原因是因為其實從去年修法之後我們有跟這些售票平台跟主辦單位來做協商所以大量的演唱會尤其是特別受歡迎的演唱會幾乎都採了實名制所以打得很好嘛,是不是?沒有,它在整體來說數量確實是有下降的\n98981\t117777\t我們就認為你們都一致我們來看一下打開社群軟體隨便一看張學友、IU Energy的門票每一個演唱會出來大家都集體哀嚎甚至有人說臺灣就是黃牛天堂我們再來看一下以這個特區B為例原票價是5000多塊結果轉售價額3萬多塊甚至顯示曾經高達7萬塊漲幅高達1000%超過12倍\n126504\t131789\t剛剛已經都提過了花錢事小萬一被騙勒剛剛市長也很謝謝你說有知道現在黃牛現在要變成詐騙黃牛了這個真的是非常危險但是您說成效很好我們來看一下從去年5月到今年3月\n142458\t157812\t將藝文票券以超過票面金額定價販售者．被檢舉的案件一共580件．其中加起來56%加價金額都低於1000元這跟我們認知的黃牛產業是完全不同的\n158793\t180835\t結果我們看到了很多我們據悉我們去了解以後發現．很多都是不熟悉法律規範的學生．或者是朋友．他們只不過在轉售票券的過程當中．無意間加上一些手續費所犯下的案件．結果你們文化部的書面報告在結語了之後說．做得很好加價轉售機率大幅下降．\n181896\t198954\t實際上我們認為根本沒看到滿天的老鷹在飛還沾沾自喜的覺得打了一堆小鳥想請教一下次長文化部到底針對黃牛的案件到底是要打老鷹還是打小鳥到底要主動還是被動可不可以分享一下\n199724\t219146\t跟委員說明以張學友的案件來說現在我們已經接獲了112件那有14件都已經在調查那有些現在已經甚至在進行監警員的到場的一個陳述所以是要打老鷹馬的啦所以我們下一次我們就來看一下這個案件是不是又是1000塊囉其實最重要的事情是不要再有黃牛這才是比較關鍵的事情\n220207\t233833\t講是很容易講但我們接下來就是要看數字好不好然後我們也要看成果零零星星的成果一千塊以上佔56%這都不是我們要的不要持續的消極、被動希望主動、積極\n235214\t249043\t接下來賴準總統提出的行動Active創新Innovative的內閣難道是因為沒有行動力沒有創新嗎在講現在嗎我們先來講一下創新的部分主席有請數位部產業署署長黃興富科長好 數位部請\n254165\t260350\t因為我時間有限你一邊移動的時候我就先一邊說明今天數位部來列席書面報告只提到了強化檢舉平台資訊安全但剛剛我們文化部次長已經跟你們求救了很多平台業者的數位能力不一樣但我們來講創新不是只是改變一些程式碼就可以我們來看一下韓國的SK集團打算利用Alpha Launch的區塊鏈技術和NFT非同質化的特性來做未來票券\n282788\t305773\t全球最大的票券平臺Ticketmaster．去年也推出了區塊鏈代幣門控Token Gating的功能．請問一下數位部．目前有沒有收集國內外．用科技甚至是區塊鏈的技術．來遏止黃牛的案例．甚至進一步進行相關的研究．台灣有ArcaSwap有做過了．國外有OpenSea．有沒有研究過．有或沒有\n313856\t325508\t有嗎?那有沒有相關的報告?網路上面有嗎?有沒有研議未來的做法?有沒有給予支持?有沒有連結文化部來做一些跨部會的合作?\n328774\t348380\t我們會積極來跟文化部這邊來討論我想台灣是科技之島希望數位部能夠跨部會來協助文化部真的是要用魔法來打敗魔法我想我們真的是不能被動要更積極接下來想跟次長分享兩項訊息在此先請教一下次長知不知道母湯是什麼意思\n349140\t353562\t台語的母湯嘛對啦你很了解我也很了解但我們問了這個Meta這家公司新釋出的最強最強大的拉瑪山的這個AI問他說你知道母湯是什麼意思嗎就他說是母親的湯啦很溫暖啦像母親煮的湯一樣你如果覺得電影很好看就要說好母湯啊\n372429\t389340\t一樣的問題我們拿去問臺灣的AI計畫臺德7B的版本得到的答案是母湯就是厲害到不行你看到一個運動員比賽很優秀就說這下子他母湯了所以次長我們下一次到電影院看電影看得好看是不是要說母湯母湯我再此先強調一下這不是臺德不好\n393863\t410154\t而是他們沒有得到足夠的訓練和資料這是非戰之罪但是如果在AI的時代我們造成了文化覆滅這不是我們要看到的問題我們接下來再問您這個人物、電影人物我們應該要叫蜘蛛人還蜘蛛俠在台灣請回答這是一般文化的問題我平常是叫蜘蛛人那另外一個電影明星你要叫他李奧納多還萊昂納多\n422689\t438183\t臺灣的翻譯應該是李奧納多很好接下來還有更多的例子這是沙丘走紅的這個Zendaya結果在臺灣大概有幾十種藝名有人說他叫千代亞某一間公司說的另外一個電影公司說叫新帝亞中國大陸稱讚達亞\n440865\t444428\t結果現在我們在網路上跟人家對話講來講去台灣的名字根本就消失了為什麼因為你一大堆亂七八糟的名字我們對文化部來講我們沒有任何的指引沒有任何的立場我就在此請教一下文化部我們要不要乾脆放棄台灣的藝名\n457938\t458558\t我想文化內容的主體性跟台灣自己在這些\n478103\t496789\t我想應該是要有方法來訓練這些AI讓他有更多的台灣內容的資源才會回答正確的答案AI的資料靠大邊走我們有沒有可能以官方的立場由文化部來鼓勵建立一個全球電影相關藝名上映的資料庫來跟AI做好好的協作\n497679\t522026\t有沒有機會演繹啊?這個我們來演繹好 謝謝喔那接下來拉馬山我們剛剛看到這個母湯也是對我們這個文化慢慢的變成邊緣啦我們台灣可能會在AI時代變成文化難民我手邊呢有這個文化部提供給國共會台的資料清單礙於版權因素很多的產品管轍介紹等等資料嚴重不足\n522486\t551706\t反觀我們的鄰國日本早就已經大膽all in AI．無論版權、官方允許任何資料用於訓練人工智慧請教次長．文化部是不是可以針對本身所擁有的資料庫產品．研議進一步全面開放給台德訓練使用．未來升級文化部補助的案件．是不是可以研議在一定的限度之下必須將成果開放給台德．或者其他台灣支持的大圓模型來使用訓練\n552727\t560903\t以上兩點希望文化部可以加強與藝文界的溝通並著手進行相關研議將研議成果於一個月內書面回覆本席\n564132\t584663\t謝謝文化部最近砸了8000多案弄了一個歌仔戲很多人有很多的意見我們先不管如果能把這樣的戲曲資料劇本開放用來訓練AI讓外國朋友、外國AI都能更了解台灣的戲曲這不是很好嗎但是為什麼我們的這些資料都不公開呢到底是不敢被他們看還是怕他們被發現錯誤呢\n587344\t589046\t我想國科會接下來還會持續進行大圓模型的訓練我們現在只有7B可以開源商用13B只能學研用途資料還是嚴重不足\n598639\t619771\tM公司的400B都已經在訓練當中很快要釋出為了台灣能夠持續保有文化自主性這個我相信都是跨黨派的意思我們必須要在相關強勢的其他中文語言的模型之下一定要見縫插針相較於豐沛的其他類型的中文資料繁體中文的資料本來就稀少\n620171\t630942\t我們一定要跨部會尤其是文化部將資源匯聚台灣才有可能在中文的語言模型AI的下一個世代找到我們台灣自己的定位謝謝好 謝謝葛如鈞委員 謝謝各位\n","txt":"謝謝主席。有請文化部王石思次長、體育署鄭世忠署長以及內政部警政署林明佐警政監。謝謝。\n一文票券移送案件五件\n體育署這個更誇張四個多月具體成效只有民眾檢舉案件兩件我就在此請教一下文化部體育署跟警政署難道這些零零星星的案件就是這個聯合打牛一年的懲治成果嗎難道二指黃牛完完全全是一般民眾的責任嗎對於主動查緝的成效這是未提可不可以回答我是不是民眾檢舉才是我們唯一的做法是或不是\n不是,因為其實為什麼案件變得很少很關鍵的原因是因為其實從去年修法之後我們有跟這些售票平台跟主辦單位來做協商所以大量的演唱會尤其是特別受歡迎的演唱會幾乎都採了實名制所以打得很好嘛,是不是?沒有,它在整體來說數量確實是有下降的\n我們就認為你們都一致我們來看一下打開社群軟體隨便一看張學友、IU Energy的門票每一個演唱會出來大家都集體哀嚎甚至有人說臺灣就是黃牛天堂我們再來看一下以這個特區B為例原票價是5000多塊結果轉售價額3萬多塊甚至顯示曾經高達7萬塊漲幅高達1000%超過12倍\n剛剛已經都提過了花錢事小萬一被騙勒剛剛市長也很謝謝你說有知道現在黃牛現在要變成詐騙黃牛了這個真的是非常危險但是您說成效很好我們來看一下從去年5月到今年3月\n將藝文票券以超過票面金額定價販售者．被檢舉的案件一共580件．其中加起來56%加價金額都低於1000元這跟我們認知的黃牛產業是完全不同的\n結果我們看到了很多我們據悉我們去了解以後發現．很多都是不熟悉法律規範的學生．或者是朋友．他們只不過在轉售票券的過程當中．無意間加上一些手續費所犯下的案件．結果你們文化部的書面報告在結語了之後說．做得很好加價轉售機率大幅下降．\n實際上我們認為根本沒看到滿天的老鷹在飛還沾沾自喜的覺得打了一堆小鳥想請教一下次長文化部到底針對黃牛的案件到底是要打老鷹還是打小鳥到底要主動還是被動可不可以分享一下\n跟委員說明以張學友的案件來說現在我們已經接獲了112件那有14件都已經在調查那有些現在已經甚至在進行監警員的到場的一個陳述所以是要打老鷹馬的啦所以我們下一次我們就來看一下這個案件是不是又是1000塊囉其實最重要的事情是不要再有黃牛這才是比較關鍵的事情\n講是很容易講但我們接下來就是要看數字好不好然後我們也要看成果零零星星的成果一千塊以上佔56%這都不是我們要的不要持續的消極、被動希望主動、積極\n接下來賴準總統提出的行動Active創新Innovative的內閣難道是因為沒有行動力沒有創新嗎在講現在嗎我們先來講一下創新的部分主席有請數位部產業署署長黃興富科長好 數位部請\n因為我時間有限你一邊移動的時候我就先一邊說明今天數位部來列席書面報告只提到了強化檢舉平台資訊安全但剛剛我們文化部次長已經跟你們求救了很多平台業者的數位能力不一樣但我們來講創新不是只是改變一些程式碼就可以我們來看一下韓國的SK集團打算利用Alpha Launch的區塊鏈技術和NFT非同質化的特性來做未來票券\n全球最大的票券平臺Ticketmaster．去年也推出了區塊鏈代幣門控Token Gating的功能．請問一下數位部．目前有沒有收集國內外．用科技甚至是區塊鏈的技術．來遏止黃牛的案例．甚至進一步進行相關的研究．台灣有ArcaSwap有做過了．國外有OpenSea．有沒有研究過．有或沒有\n有嗎?那有沒有相關的報告?網路上面有嗎?有沒有研議未來的做法?有沒有給予支持?有沒有連結文化部來做一些跨部會的合作?\n我們會積極來跟文化部這邊來討論我想台灣是科技之島希望數位部能夠跨部會來協助文化部真的是要用魔法來打敗魔法我想我們真的是不能被動要更積極接下來想跟次長分享兩項訊息在此先請教一下次長知不知道母湯是什麼意思\n台語的母湯嘛對啦你很了解我也很了解但我們問了這個Meta這家公司新釋出的最強最強大的拉瑪山的這個AI問他說你知道母湯是什麼意思嗎就他說是母親的湯啦很溫暖啦像母親煮的湯一樣你如果覺得電影很好看就要說好母湯啊\n一樣的問題我們拿去問臺灣的AI計畫臺德7B的版本得到的答案是母湯就是厲害到不行你看到一個運動員比賽很優秀就說這下子他母湯了所以次長我們下一次到電影院看電影看得好看是不是要說母湯母湯我再此先強調一下這不是臺德不好\n而是他們沒有得到足夠的訓練和資料這是非戰之罪但是如果在AI的時代我們造成了文化覆滅這不是我們要看到的問題我們接下來再問您這個人物、電影人物我們應該要叫蜘蛛人還蜘蛛俠在台灣請回答這是一般文化的問題我平常是叫蜘蛛人那另外一個電影明星你要叫他李奧納多還萊昂納多\n臺灣的翻譯應該是李奧納多很好接下來還有更多的例子這是沙丘走紅的這個Zendaya結果在臺灣大概有幾十種藝名有人說他叫千代亞某一間公司說的另外一個電影公司說叫新帝亞中國大陸稱讚達亞\n結果現在我們在網路上跟人家對話講來講去台灣的名字根本就消失了為什麼因為你一大堆亂七八糟的名字我們對文化部來講我們沒有任何的指引沒有任何的立場我就在此請教一下文化部我們要不要乾脆放棄台灣的藝名\n我想文化內容的主體性跟台灣自己在這些\n我想應該是要有方法來訓練這些AI讓他有更多的台灣內容的資源才會回答正確的答案AI的資料靠大邊走我們有沒有可能以官方的立場由文化部來鼓勵建立一個全球電影相關藝名上映的資料庫來跟AI做好好的協作\n有沒有機會演繹啊?這個我們來演繹好 謝謝喔那接下來拉馬山我們剛剛看到這個母湯也是對我們這個文化慢慢的變成邊緣啦我們台灣可能會在AI時代變成文化難民我手邊呢有這個文化部提供給國共會台的資料清單礙於版權因素很多的產品管轍介紹等等資料嚴重不足\n反觀我們的鄰國日本早就已經大膽all in AI．無論版權、官方允許任何資料用於訓練人工智慧請教次長．文化部是不是可以針對本身所擁有的資料庫產品．研議進一步全面開放給台德訓練使用．未來升級文化部補助的案件．是不是可以研議在一定的限度之下必須將成果開放給台德．或者其他台灣支持的大圓模型來使用訓練\n以上兩點希望文化部可以加強與藝文界的溝通並著手進行相關研議將研議成果於一個月內書面回覆本席\n謝謝文化部最近砸了8000多案弄了一個歌仔戲很多人有很多的意見我們先不管如果能把這樣的戲曲資料劇本開放用來訓練AI讓外國朋友、外國AI都能更了解台灣的戲曲這不是很好嗎但是為什麼我們的這些資料都不公開呢到底是不敢被他們看還是怕他們被發現錯誤呢\n我想國科會接下來還會持續進行大圓模型的訓練我們現在只有7B可以開源商用13B只能學研用途資料還是嚴重不足\nM公司的400B都已經在訓練當中很快要釋出為了台灣能夠持續保有文化自主性這個我相信都是跨黨派的意思我們必須要在相關強勢的其他中文語言的模型之下一定要見縫插針相較於豐沛的其他類型的中文資料繁體中文的資料本來就稀少\n我們一定要跨部會尤其是文化部將資源匯聚台灣才有可能在中文的語言模型AI的下一個世代找到我們台灣自己的定位謝謝好 謝謝葛如鈞委員 謝謝各位\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.194 --> 00:15.497\n謝謝主席。有請文化部王石思次長、體育署鄭世忠署長以及內政部警政署林明佐警政監。謝謝。\n\n00:28.883 --> 00:29.804\n一文票券移送案件五件\n\n00:47.999 --> 01:15.957\n體育署這個更誇張四個多月具體成效只有民眾檢舉案件兩件我就在此請教一下文化部體育署跟警政署難道這些零零星星的案件就是這個聯合打牛一年的懲治成果嗎難道二指黃牛完完全全是一般民眾的責任嗎對於主動查緝的成效這是未提可不可以回答我是不是民眾檢舉才是我們唯一的做法是或不是\n\n01:18.051 --> 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