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00:00:57,798\n議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條條文修正草案。案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條條文修正草案。案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條條條文修正草案。案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削\n\n4\n00:01:08,767 --> 00:01:13,905\n而不是明定清除。那執行一年,你覺得這些其他部會配合的狀況如何?\n\n5\n00:01:17,464 --> 00:01:42,169\n說實在,這中間的訊息傳遞等等,或者是說對個案整體去做處理的速度還是有一點弱。對,所以我就看到警察局接貨報案的時候到底有沒有通知影像中心,就我知道有些時候是沒有的。那有時候衛福部發文的時候有沒有通知術法部處理,而且\n\n6\n00:01:42,889 --> 00:02:01,616\n網路犯罪的時候到底是誰的責任?就大家都有責任,好像最後就是大家沒有責任。所以我知道部長如果把它定清楚的話,對我覺得主管機關是不是會更有幫助?應該是會有一部分的幫助。\n\n7\n00:02:03,376 --> 00:02:27,035\n因為我覺得前面如果不阻斷的話,你後邊罰的再重。就像我剛剛講,路見罰五萬塊,如果沒有人去抓的話,那五萬塊是讓形同虛設啦。那一樣的,當初方向上也看得到是說,訂了這麼多主管機關,大家都可以網路內容防護機構或主管機關或警察單位或其他機關都可以去做。最後呢,就是人人都有責任,可是卻沒有人負責。\n\n8\n00:02:27,956 --> 00:02:33,407\n所以我希望這邊還是主管機關自己扛起責任來。我知道部長這樣有沒有什麼太大的問題。\n\n9\n00:02:36,226 --> 00:03:01,519\n這是等於是一個通知主管機關知道有的話那要去先做這一些委員建議的是這樣但是事實上有時候發現者也就是說民眾也許有檢舉檢舉的對象不一定直接是到衛福部來\n\n10\n00:03:02,668 --> 00:03:23,531\n是,所以有的時候在警政單位,可是我覺得還是由主管機關來去做這件事情。問題二,大概就是整個案件偵查的資源不足,處處碰壁,因為沒錢沒人沒專責單位,沒溝通沒共享沒決心,因為為什麼警政單位碰到的,所以我們的修法方向是這樣。\n\n11\n00:03:24,191 --> 00:03:26,853\n議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n12\n00:03:47,487 --> 00:03:47,507\n閱讀委員\n\n13\n00:04:06,954 --> 00:04:35,775\n不過國外已經有這樣的技術。想當初黃子嬌這個案子事實上是一萬多筆查扣之後是你們警員很熱心的警員一筆一筆人工再對才對出有欺騙的未成年那他過去是有查創意私房他才有辦法知道去做這樣的查核他有印象所以為什麼要有專責單位可是今天警員正署竟然會講說沒有辦法河安已經有這樣的一個技術在\n\n14\n00:04:36,195 --> 00:04:36,335\n請問警政署這邊\n\n15\n00:05:00,158 --> 00:05:26,218\n謝謝委員要跟委員報告就是說我想我們警政執司犯罪的偵查那當然重點是在確認這些犯罪的行為然後找到犯罪嫌疑人但是現在委員是建議對於被害人的性影像要建立資料庫那重點應該是在被害人的保護那跟委員報告就是說他確實如果是要被害人的保護的話可能要回到主管機關\n\n16\n00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:49,394\n全憲事實上你們比衛福部有權限去做一些比對跟查核啦所以才會期待是不是最後就是司法院就是我不知道就我們在提出三日內影像已經移除之後為了完備的法律程序裡邊那司法院這邊回覆的是說沒辦法那我不知道我們的謝廷壤這邊\n\n17\n00:05:51,448 --> 00:05:51,968\n法定人數不足\n\n18\n00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:27,683\n對那個部分跟委員說明一下因為如果說要讓法院去就這個部分去下一個緊急的資訊的限制令那我們是考量到說像這樣這個部分按照之前的兒少性剝削防制條例大概都是行政先行對行政先行可是不會你們講什麼緩步不及急已經先所謂的停止解析之後才三日再補程序這有困難嗎\n\n19\n00:06:29,015 --> 00:06:54,571\n主要就是說如果說要用法院去做這樣的一個資訊的一個限制令通常在目前的體系上面大家都會跟人身自由有相關的因為上次質詢的時候我們的部長也我們衛福部薛部長說他們當時事實上請速發部去做停止解析的時候實在坦白講事實上法律程序不完備所以我們再補一條不知道為什麼司法院這邊會有覺得\n\n20\n00:06:56,533 --> 00:07:00,979\n議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。\n\n21\n00:07:12,295 --> 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